Sarsilmaz P6: A New Bernardelli .25 Vest Pocket clone

At the IDEF ’09 arms show, Turkish pistol and shotgun maker Sarsilmaz had the P6 pistol on display. I was quite surprised to see what I though was the Baby Browning. It is in fact a direct copy of the .25 ACP (6.3mm) Bernardelli (VB) Vest Pocket .25.

Photos of the Sarsilmaz P6:

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The dimensions and weight of the P6 appears near identical to the original design. The slide on the P6 appears to have a larger ejection port. Original Bernardelli Vest Pocket photos (by huggiebear @ gunboards.com):

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The pistol is not a great option for self defense. It’s .25 ACP cartridge is very low powered, about the same or worse than a .22 Long Rifle!

UPDATE: I originally posted that the pistol was a copy of the Browning Baby, which looks very similar to the Bernardelli vest pocket. Thanks to George, a collector of .25 pistols, for the correction.



Steve Johnson

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  • I want! I own a .25ACP. I might as well obtain a better one sometime. Do they plan on importing the pistol? I know the barrel will have to be 3″ thanks to the law.

    • Wynboniface, yep, the barrel is 2″. I don’t know if you can import pistols without a barrel and barrel them domestically. Even so it would probably push up the price.

      If you are really keen for the pistol talk to American Tactical Imports ( http://www.americantactical.us/ ) they import the T-14 AR-15 shotgun from turkey

  • Fred

    I always thought they were a nice looking little pistol. Wouldn’t mind one for the right price.

  • jdun1911

    The only firearms company that can get away of forcing a license agreement is HK. I don’t know how they do it. It’s not like their crap isn’t a copy of older designs that wasn’t made by them.

    The Ruger LCP is a direct clone of Kel-Tec P3AT and they didn’t get sued.

  • iluy

    “.25 ACP cartridge is very low powered, about the same or worse than a .22 Long Rifle!”

    Wrong information. learn more about

    • iluy, errrrr no I am not wrong.

  • george

    Sorry dude, but you are wrong. The P6 you show is NOT a copy of a baby Browning, but a significantly different design by Bernardelli of Italy. It appears to be a dead ringer for the Bernardelli (VB) vest pocket .25. On this weapon the barrel is dovetailed into the frame and is fixed. The disassembly and triger linkage are also different. The button at the left rear frame below the slide is the take-down, the striker retainer is released to the rear and the slide is removed to the rear-up-and off like a walther ppk. On the other hand, the Baby Browning has a non-recoiling removable barrel that rotates for disassembly and the slide,barrel, recoil spring (double), ans striker, slide off the frame to the front. I am somewhat familiar with various makes and models of .25s because I collected them for a while, probably becaused I was traumatized as a child by my father who refused to allow me .25s and insisted I instead have “responsible” weapons like .38s and .45s. In my old age I realize my father was right and I would now not wish to be caught dead carrying a .25.

    • george, so it is! Thanks for the info. I will update the blog post.

  • “urartad”

    Dear sir´s : (Steve &Iluy ) I have firsthand experience of cal.6:35 (.25)fmj.
    Beeing Swedish, please have patience with spelling/language…:

    -I had to, in selfdefence, fire one shot with a Sauer&Sohn 1914 , attacked with deadly threat. Trough my tunnelvision, the shot at c:a 3meters distance aiming at the center of the attacker, and as it turned out , hit a rib, changed direktion 90 degrees, passed the heart and tereby killing him almost instantly. (Not the intended goal, in at situation like that , all you want is to escape the immidiate situation ).

    My point is that this caliber in size is especially dangerous, since the lightweight, jacketed (3,2 grammes) bullet travels in unexpected ways, it´s a doctors ( e. r)nightmare since they know the entrancehole but not what damage the bullet made during it´s irregular way trough the body.
    ( velocity: 240/meters /second, at 3meters distance.)

    I´ll be happy to answer any reasonable questions , from this wery short summary of my wery unpleasant experience, Best regards / “urartad”

  • Carl

    I am sure any bullet will kill if it passes through the target’s heart.

    The idea with ammunition made for delf defense is that it should incapacitate an attacker quickly even if you do not hit a vital organ (or so I’m told).

    I understand a doctor having trouble finding the bullet and tracing where the bullet went. But that doesn´t help you in a self defense situation. If the bullet goes in unpredictable ways it could just as easily veer away from the heart even though you actually make a very good shot.

    Anyway, all calibers are dangerous. Some are definitely more suited for defense than others. But most self defense situations actually happens without any shots being fired. Just presenting the firearm is often enough to stop an attack (not that you should rely on this though). So if you really have trouble carrying a larger caliber, a small one is probably better than nothing.

  • urartad, I am pleased you survived, but it must have been very traumatic for you

  • urartad

    @Carl, you are right! It does however matter in your next fight, the legal one …were your intentions are scrutinised , -did you shoot to kill or to avoid the immidiate danger.(revenge or selfdefence)
    Career prosecuters are global…

    @Steve, yes, -all three fights, besides the actual event, the legal, you have to defend your action in the civilian life -the attackers friends and family .

    By sharing my experience, I hope to broaden the aspects of carrying a gun.

    best regards , / urartad

  • P W Holdridge

    george – As a former collector of 25 automatics, did you keep any that you would like to sell? The P6 that is the focus of the above discussion is, in fact, a reproduction of the Bernardelli…not the “Vest Pocket” model, rather the Bernardelli model 68 – upgraded to modern technology. If you have any 25’s to sell or if you know where to purchase the P6 – please advise. Thank You, for the information.

  • P W Holdridge

    If you know who imports and sells this pistol in the US, please contact me. I am very interested in purchasing one. Thank You.

  • damiano

    Mi chiamo DAMIANO Sono di PRESICCE LECCE (ITALIA) con la passione delle pistole di piccolo calibro Come Potete vedere il mio ultimo acquisto la BERNARDELLI mod. 68 La piu piccola in assoluto, e va benissimo copiata purtroppo Dalla Sarsilmaz P6, Complimenti per il sito …….. … CIAO CIAO …….

  • peter

    I have a similar bernardelli in 22short. How do you disassemble the pistol? thanks.

  • P W Holdridge

    Peter –
    Copies of the Gun Assembly Booklet for the Bernardelli are available for $5 from: gun-parts.com/assembly/
    Good Luck.

  • Kris

    Hi I m live in US and I m very like Yours gun.Where can buy this gun in US.
    Thank You in advance
    Have Nice Day
    Kris

  • damiano

    My name is Damien I of PRESICCE LECCE (ITALY) with a passion for small-caliber guns as you can see my latest purchase the Bernardelli Mod. 68 The smallest ever, and unfortunately that’s fine copied from Sarsilmaz P6, Congratulations on the site … … .. HELLO … HELLO … ….

  • P W Holdridge

    The Bernardelli Vest Pocket, the model 68, AND the Sarsilmaz P6 cannot be imported into the United States, because they do not meet the requirements of the 1968 Gun control Act. Vintage model Bernardelli firearms already in this country are available, but they are more expensive than the P6 and are often in poor condition. If anyone has a P6 in this country and it can be sold here, I would be interested in speaking to them. I own the Bernardelli, but I still desire to own a P6.

  • tornacı

    Sarsılmaz is present owner of Bernardelli, and supposed having the rights to produce the tackles of this famed company. However,
    Bernardelli .25 pistols, though not the smallest, but safest of all since
    containing sear blocking trigger actions very similar to Steyr M series
    and Walther P99 pistols. Strikers on these pistols can only be released
    by trigger action as being free from effects of dropping or similar
    outward impacts. But P6 may not have this feature.

  • With the bernardelli baby 22 long; does anyone have a remedy for caseing ejection problems?

  • P W Holdridge

    Yes. It is absolutely essential that the .22 be absolutely clean! Typicall .22 ammunition is an inherently dirty cartridge and it fouls worse than others. Meticulous cleanliness is the best ejection insurance for all .22 caliber pistols. This is not a problem for the .25 Bernardelli.

  • semiami

    Dear firearmbloggers ,
    As far as I know Sarsilmaz Firearms Inc. & Vincenzo Bernardelli are sister companies , quite soon Bernardelli products will be available in USA market . I heard from very reliable source they are about to open up their own company possibly manufacturing as well as importing in USA.firearmblog.com will be the possibly first one to let us know when the LEGEND IS BACK . keep it tune … check out the web site below (piece of art engravings)
    http://www.bernardelli.com
    Once it is available in U.S. I will definitly buy one of P6 to my wife as valentines gift .
    By the way In my opinion Sarsilmaz (SAR ARMS) is one of the best kept secrets in the world! Their state of the art small arms plant rivals manufacturing facility around the world. The quality that goes into each SAR ARMS firearm is un-rivaled. You can pay for a more famous name, but it will be hard to find a better product. Did you know that Turkey has the second largest Army in NATO? They carry SAR ARMS…
    check out http://www.sarsilmaz.com

  • DAMIANO

    Dear reader to point out that my article was published on the charge of the dossier, 6.35 Browning Arms and Ammunition in January 2011, page 184. This article has been treated with various combinations of components currently available on the Italian market. As you know the Winchester 231 at the moment it is not distributed unless the case of inventory, for this reason has not been treated. Years ago I did some testing in the 6.35 barrel gauge Browning 231 Winchester with powder, ball Fiocchi FMJ-RN 50 gn, COL 22.80 mm, trigger CCI500, reporting data collected below ii: Win 231 grain dose 1.2 , V0 201 m / sec, and 6.6 kgm, P 889 bar; 1.4 Win 231 grain doses, V0 224 m / sec, and 8.4 kgm, P 1200 bar (maximum pressure allowed); Win 231 dose 1 , grains 6, V0 271 m / sec, and 12 kgm, P 1600 Bar Warning this dose as well as the P max should not be used completely, it is dangerous!

    having said that we reiterate that the 6.35-caliber Browning is a small but not to be underestimated because the pressure rose very quickly to changing a single component and also depending on the mode of loading such as a stronger crimp the ball or a trigger slightly more powerful. Therefore we recommend to stay in the range of doses from 1.2 to 1.4 grains of Winchester 231 max. We take this opportunity to compimentarci however, with the player for the beautiful pair of pistols Bernardelli Mod. 68, stressing that it would be a shame to damage them with exaggerated positions.

  • semiami

    Hello Firearmblog followers Sarsilmaz P6 is not copy of Bernardelli .
    Sarsilmaz & Bernardelli OWN BY THE SAME FAMILY !

    PLEASE READ MY PREVIOUS COMMENT WRITTEN BELOW. THANKS.

    semiamion 28 Mar 2011 at 9:34 am link comment
    Dear firearmbloggers ,
    As far as I know Sarsilmaz Firearms Inc. & Vincenzo Bernardelli are sister companies , quite soon Bernardelli products will be available in USA market . I heard from very reliable source they are about to open up their own company possibly manufacturing as well as importing in USA.firearmblog.com will be the possibly first one to let us know when the LEGEND IS BACK . keep it tune … check out the web site below (piece of art engravings)
    http://www.bernardelli.com
    Once it is available in U.S. I will definitly buy one of P6 to my wife as valentines gift .
    By the way In my opinion Sarsilmaz (SAR ARMS) is one of the best kept secrets in the world! Their state of the art small arms plant rivals manufacturing facility around the world. The quality that goes into each SAR ARMS firearm is un-rivaled. You can pay for a more famous name, but it will be hard to find a better product. Did you know that Turkey has the second largest Army in NATO? They carry SAR ARMS…
    check out http://www.sarsilmaz.com