Sarsilmaz P6: A New Bernardelli .25 Vest Pocket clone
At the IDEF ‘09 arms show, Turkish pistol and shotgun maker Sarsilmaz had the P6 pistol on display. I was quite surprised to see what I though was the Baby Browning. It is in fact a direct copy of the .25 ACP (6.3mm) Bernardelli (VB) Vest Pocket .25.
Photos of the Sarsilmaz P6:
The dimensions and weight of the P6 appears near identical to the original design. The slide on the P6 appears to have a larger ejection port. Original Bernardelli Vest Pocket photos (by huggiebear @ gunboards.com):
The pistol is not a great option for self defense. It’s .25 ACP cartridge is very low powered, about the same or worse than a .22 Long Rifle!
UPDATE: I originally posted that the pistol was a copy of the Browning Baby, which looks very similar to the Bernardelli vest pocket. Thanks to George, a collector of .25 pistols, for the correction.
I want! I own a .25ACP. I might as well obtain a better one sometime. Do they plan on importing the pistol? I know the barrel will have to be 3″ thanks to the law.
I always thought they were a nice looking little pistol. Wouldn’t mind one for the right price.
Wynboniface, yep, the barrel is 2″. I don’t know if you can import pistols without a barrel and barrel them domestically. Even so it would probably push up the price.
If you are really keen for the pistol talk to American Tactical Imports ( http://www.americantactical.us/ ) they import the T-14 AR-15 shotgun from turkey
The only firearms company that can get away of forcing a license agreement is HK. I don’t know how they do it. It’s not like their crap isn’t a copy of older designs that wasn’t made by them.
The Ruger LCP is a direct clone of Kel-Tec P3AT and they didn’t get sued.
“.25 ACP cartridge is very low powered, about the same or worse than a .22 Long Rifle!”
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iluy, errrrr no I am not wrong.
Sorry dude, but you are wrong. The P6 you show is NOT a copy of a baby Browning, but a significantly different design by Bernardelli of Italy. It appears to be a dead ringer for the Bernardelli (VB) vest pocket .25. On this weapon the barrel is dovetailed into the frame and is fixed. The disassembly and triger linkage are also different. The button at the left rear frame below the slide is the take-down, the striker retainer is released to the rear and the slide is removed to the rear-up-and off like a walther ppk. On the other hand, the Baby Browning has a non-recoiling removable barrel that rotates for disassembly and the slide,barrel, recoil spring (double), ans striker, slide off the frame to the front. I am somewhat familiar with various makes and models of .25s because I collected them for a while, probably becaused I was traumatized as a child by my father who refused to allow me .25s and insisted I instead have “responsible” weapons like .38s and .45s. In my old age I realize my father was right and I would now not wish to be caught dead carrying a .25.
george, so it is! Thanks for the info. I will update the blog post.
Dear sir´s : (Steve &Iluy ) I have firsthand experience of cal.6:35 (.25)fmj.
Beeing Swedish, please have patience with spelling/language…:
-I had to, in selfdefence, fire one shot with a Sauer&Sohn 1914 , attacked with deadly threat. Trough my tunnelvision, the shot at c:a 3meters distance aiming at the center of the attacker, and as it turned out , hit a rib, changed direktion 90 degrees, passed the heart and tereby killing him almost instantly. (Not the intended goal, in at situation like that , all you want is to escape the immidiate situation ).
My point is that this caliber in size is especially dangerous, since the lightweight, jacketed (3,2 grammes) bullet travels in unexpected ways, it´s a doctors ( e. r)nightmare since they know the entrancehole but not what damage the bullet made during it´s irregular way trough the body.
( velocity: 240/meters /second, at 3meters distance.)
I´ll be happy to answer any reasonable questions , from this wery short summary of my wery unpleasant experience, Best regards / “urartad”
I am sure any bullet will kill if it passes through the target’s heart.
The idea with ammunition made for delf defense is that it should incapacitate an attacker quickly even if you do not hit a vital organ (or so I’m told).
I understand a doctor having trouble finding the bullet and tracing where the bullet went. But that doesn´t help you in a self defense situation. If the bullet goes in unpredictable ways it could just as easily veer away from the heart even though you actually make a very good shot.
Anyway, all calibers are dangerous. Some are definitely more suited for defense than others. But most self defense situations actually happens without any shots being fired. Just presenting the firearm is often enough to stop an attack (not that you should rely on this though). So if you really have trouble carrying a larger caliber, a small one is probably better than nothing.
urartad, I am pleased you survived, but it must have been very traumatic for you
@Carl, you are right! It does however matter in your next fight, the legal one …were your intentions are scrutinised , -did you shoot to kill or to avoid the immidiate danger.(revenge or selfdefence)
Career prosecuters are global…
@Steve, yes, -all three fights, besides the actual event, the legal, you have to defend your action in the civilian life -the attackers friends and family .
By sharing my experience, I hope to broaden the aspects of carrying a gun.
best regards , / urartad
george – As a former collector of 25 automatics, did you keep any that you would like to sell? The P6 that is the focus of the above discussion is, in fact, a reproduction of the Bernardelli…not the “Vest Pocket” model, rather the Bernardelli model 68 – upgraded to modern technology. If you have any 25’s to sell or if you know where to purchase the P6 – please advise. Thank You, for the information.
If you know who imports and sells this pistol in the US, please contact me. I am very interested in purchasing one. Thank You.
Mi chiamo DAMIANO Sono di PRESICCE LECCE (ITALIA) con la passione delle pistole di piccolo calibro Come Potete vedere il mio ultimo acquisto la BERNARDELLI mod. 68 La piu piccola in assoluto, e va benissimo copiata purtroppo Dalla Sarsilmaz P6, Complimenti per il sito …….. … CIAO CIAO …….