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		<title>By: prettypete</title>
		<link>http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/16/more-details-on-the-seal-snipers/#comment-16195</link>
		<dc:creator>prettypete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great job, SEAL Snipers!</description>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
		<link>http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/16/more-details-on-the-seal-snipers/#comment-11823</link>
		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 08:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Core on this. Most sea operations and operators use M-14 style sniper rifles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Core on this. Most sea operations and operators use M-14 style sniper rifles.</p>
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		<title>By: Core</title>
		<link>http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/16/more-details-on-the-seal-snipers/#comment-10757</link>
		<dc:creator>Core</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know the details but, I would guess they used M14 platforms with infra-red scopes; I used to use these in the Navy myself.  The .308 BTHP rounds are accurate out to 800+ meters, and have minimal deflection when fired through standard glass windows.  There are special purpose rounds designed for glass penetration, as well as techniques used to break the glass while firing a kill shot at the same time.  But like I said I don&#039;t know the specifics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know the details but, I would guess they used M14 platforms with infra-red scopes; I used to use these in the Navy myself.  The .308 BTHP rounds are accurate out to 800+ meters, and have minimal deflection when fired through standard glass windows.  There are special purpose rounds designed for glass penetration, as well as techniques used to break the glass while firing a kill shot at the same time.  But like I said I don&#8217;t know the specifics.</p>
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		<title>By: subby</title>
		<link>http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/16/more-details-on-the-seal-snipers/#comment-10433</link>
		<dc:creator>subby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And no doubt in these circumstances, with the time they had to prepare. These snipers were the best of the best of the best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And no doubt in these circumstances, with the time they had to prepare. These snipers were the best of the best of the best.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronnie Conrad</title>
		<link>http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/16/more-details-on-the-seal-snipers/#comment-8869</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronnie Conrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, that&#039;s their job. Yes they must be good,,,NO Great. Look at what they do for a living? They train every day, for such. I would expect? NO LESS from the Best. That&#039;s why the wash out rate is so high, there&#039;s no room for for those who (think) it can&#039;t be done. Remenber that little train when you were a kid???..lol..That&#039;s them! They don&#039;t think...THEY KNOW!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, that&#8217;s their job. Yes they must be good,,,NO Great. Look at what they do for a living? They train every day, for such. I would expect? NO LESS from the Best. That&#8217;s why the wash out rate is so high, there&#8217;s no room for for those who (think) it can&#8217;t be done. Remenber that little train when you were a kid???..lol..That&#8217;s them! They don&#8217;t think&#8230;THEY KNOW!</p>
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		<title>By: CAPT William Sims, USN (Ret)</title>
		<link>http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/16/more-details-on-the-seal-snipers/#comment-8845</link>
		<dc:creator>CAPT William Sims, USN (Ret)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 14:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not true that a Navy destroyer is a stable platform--they are designed for battle and speed, not comfort.  Destroyers will roll in even nearly &quot;calm&quot; waters when there is ocean swell.  They are by nature top-heavy, and the hull shape does little to correct roll.

Aircraft carriers and cruise ships are stable, destroyers are not!

Take it from a Destroyerman.

The snipers had to allow for pitch and roll.  Period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not true that a Navy destroyer is a stable platform&#8211;they are designed for battle and speed, not comfort.  Destroyers will roll in even nearly &#8220;calm&#8221; waters when there is ocean swell.  They are by nature top-heavy, and the hull shape does little to correct roll.</p>
<p>Aircraft carriers and cruise ships are stable, destroyers are not!</p>
<p>Take it from a Destroyerman.</p>
<p>The snipers had to allow for pitch and roll.  Period.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
		<link>http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/16/more-details-on-the-seal-snipers/#comment-8794</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 00:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn´t the weight of a suppressor also change the way a rifle recoils, and consequently change the point of impact somewhat?</description>
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		<title>By: Heath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone totally needs to shoot some video on the subject of bullet deflection through glass and plastic and post it on YouTube.</description>
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		<title>By: Paul_In_Houston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul_In_Houston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vote For David:

In Eric Haney&#039;s book, &quot;Inside Delta Force&quot;, the teams training for taking down airplane hijackers, in a plane that was on the ground, were worried about bullet deflection if a sniper had to shoot through a cockpit window.

So, Delta Airlines gave them a bunch of cockpit (and other) windows to test for themselves (the President of Delta Airlines was a strong backer of Delta Force&#039;s [PURE coincidence of names] work on this problem, for obvious reasons, and gave enormous cooperation [at great expense; making revenue-producing airliners available ain&#039;t cheap]).

Their tests showed that deflection, at the ranges from the window to the target (inside a cockpit that was probably larger than the interior of that lifeboat) was negligible.

The book is a fascinating read; see what else it had to say about ways they tested for trying to disable an aircraft on the ground.  He does NOT go into what works, but a lot on what DOESN&#039;T (commercial aircraft are a lot tougher than yopu would imagine).

-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vote For David:</p>
<p>In Eric Haney&#8217;s book, &#8220;Inside Delta Force&#8221;, the teams training for taking down airplane hijackers, in a plane that was on the ground, were worried about bullet deflection if a sniper had to shoot through a cockpit window.</p>
<p>So, Delta Airlines gave them a bunch of cockpit (and other) windows to test for themselves (the President of Delta Airlines was a strong backer of Delta Force&#8217;s [PURE coincidence of names] work on this problem, for obvious reasons, and gave enormous cooperation [at great expense; making revenue-producing airliners available ain't cheap]).</p>
<p>Their tests showed that deflection, at the ranges from the window to the target (inside a cockpit that was probably larger than the interior of that lifeboat) was negligible.</p>
<p>The book is a fascinating read; see what else it had to say about ways they tested for trying to disable an aircraft on the ground.  He does NOT go into what works, but a lot on what DOESN&#8217;T (commercial aircraft are a lot tougher than yopu would imagine).</p>
<p>-</p>
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		<title>By: Vote For David</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vote For David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shooting through windows, even windows at an angle to the bullet trajectory: with a low-powered handgun it changes POI by inches, tops.  A rifle, probably single-digits of inches.  The Box O&#039; Truth shot through a bunch of car windows and found the changes in trajectory to be fairly predictable.  I don&#039;t put it past our men to put one smack-on their target through a window, whether it had been shot out or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shooting through windows, even windows at an angle to the bullet trajectory: with a low-powered handgun it changes POI by inches, tops.  A rifle, probably single-digits of inches.  The Box O&#8217; Truth shot through a bunch of car windows and found the changes in trajectory to be fairly predictable.  I don&#8217;t put it past our men to put one smack-on their target through a window, whether it had been shot out or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 10:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sven, you are indeed right about the vibrations of the barrel will be changed due to the added weight.

I personally do not buy into the gas turbulence theory with regards to suppressors. I have also heard it mentioned that muzzle breaks also reduce the gas turbulence. I don&#039;t think the effect would have any noticeable impact on shot placement. But saying that, I am &lt;strong&gt;no&lt;/strong&gt; expert on external ballistics, just my experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sven, you are indeed right about the vibrations of the barrel will be changed due to the added weight.</p>
<p>I personally do not buy into the gas turbulence theory with regards to suppressors. I have also heard it mentioned that muzzle breaks also reduce the gas turbulence. I don&#8217;t think the effect would have any noticeable impact on shot placement. But saying that, I am <strong>no</strong> expert on external ballistics, just my experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Sven Ortmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sven Ortmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 09:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suppressors don&#039;t &quot;bend&quot; barrels (well, not to a relevant extent).
The silencer&#039;s effect on the point of impact is strong and stems from its ability to change the swinging of the barrel (it&#039;s related to the reason for free-floated barrels). The change is consistent and zeroing helps to neutralize the suppressors&#039; effect.

External ballistics of bullets can be influenced by suppressors in another way as well.
The effect is associated with the gas turbulence close to the muzzle (it&#039;s reduced). Suppressed weapons have therefore often less shot dispersion than without suppressor.

Simultaneous police sniping can be achieved with electronic means - the snipers hold the trigger as long as they&#039;re on target and the system makes their rifles fire (with that piezo-electric metal that bends due to electric current). The same can even be combined with video imagery of the scope field of view for the police officer in charge at the crime scene.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suppressors don&#8217;t &#8220;bend&#8221; barrels (well, not to a relevant extent).<br />
The silencer&#8217;s effect on the point of impact is strong and stems from its ability to change the swinging of the barrel (it&#8217;s related to the reason for free-floated barrels). The change is consistent and zeroing helps to neutralize the suppressors&#8217; effect.</p>
<p>External ballistics of bullets can be influenced by suppressors in another way as well.<br />
The effect is associated with the gas turbulence close to the muzzle (it&#8217;s reduced). Suppressed weapons have therefore often less shot dispersion than without suppressor.</p>
<p>Simultaneous police sniping can be achieved with electronic means &#8211; the snipers hold the trigger as long as they&#8217;re on target and the system makes their rifles fire (with that piezo-electric metal that bends due to electric current). The same can even be combined with video imagery of the scope field of view for the police officer in charge at the crime scene.</p>
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		<title>By: jdun1911</title>
		<link>http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/16/more-details-on-the-seal-snipers/#comment-8765</link>
		<dc:creator>jdun1911</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 04:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Multiple targets simultaneously hit by sniper teams isn&#039;t new. 

Three SAS sniper teams with security protection killed three suicide bomber that left their safe house in Iraq. All three bomber was shot in the head simultaneously. It was reported a few years back in a magazine IIRC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Multiple targets simultaneously hit by sniper teams isn&#8217;t new. </p>
<p>Three SAS sniper teams with security protection killed three suicide bomber that left their safe house in Iraq. All three bomber was shot in the head simultaneously. It was reported a few years back in a magazine IIRC.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 02:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have yet to see anything saying three headshots. I have seen it stated three dead pirates.  How do we know there weren&#039;t two snipers per target?  Thats how I would set it up if I had the resources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have yet to see anything saying three headshots. I have seen it stated three dead pirates.  How do we know there weren&#8217;t two snipers per target?  Thats how I would set it up if I had the resources.</p>
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		<title>By: Linoge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linoge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 01:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allow me to second Heath - I have never been aboard a DDG while she was underway, but I have seen many of them out on the ocean, and I have served on an FFG and an LPD.  Short of full-blown carriers, there is no such thing as a &quot;stable platform&quot; when underway.  10 foot seas is about all it takes to get a good pitching situation going on, and if you are not steering into those seas, you are &lt;em&gt;guaranteed&lt;/em&gt; rolls, and possibly good ones at that.  

Barring the platform, however, the lifeboat is &lt;em&gt;certainly&lt;/em&gt; going to be bouncing around like the cork it is, especially if she was in the ship&#039;s wake.  

No matter how it breaks down, that was an awesome shot, made by awesome individuals... who undoubtedly just consider it to be part of their jobs.  Major bravo zulus to everyone involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allow me to second Heath &#8211; I have never been aboard a DDG while she was underway, but I have seen many of them out on the ocean, and I have served on an FFG and an LPD.  Short of full-blown carriers, there is no such thing as a &#8220;stable platform&#8221; when underway.  10 foot seas is about all it takes to get a good pitching situation going on, and if you are not steering into those seas, you are <em>guaranteed</em> rolls, and possibly good ones at that.  </p>
<p>Barring the platform, however, the lifeboat is <em>certainly</em> going to be bouncing around like the cork it is, especially if she was in the ship&#8217;s wake.  </p>
<p>No matter how it breaks down, that was an awesome shot, made by awesome individuals&#8230; who undoubtedly just consider it to be part of their jobs.  Major bravo zulus to everyone involved.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 00:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was surprised at the proposition that the snipers would have removed their scopes. The Leupold 3.5-10 doesn&#039;t seem like overkill at 25 to 30 yards. Mine seems fine anyway.

That said, it&#039;s one thing for armchair shooters to make some small groups at the range. It&#039;s completely another to do it with the world watching and some real hero&#039;s life on the line. Kudos to the SEALs. If any are reading this, I wish that I could pick up a round of cold beverages for you guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was surprised at the proposition that the snipers would have removed their scopes. The Leupold 3.5-10 doesn&#8217;t seem like overkill at 25 to 30 yards. Mine seems fine anyway.</p>
<p>That said, it&#8217;s one thing for armchair shooters to make some small groups at the range. It&#8217;s completely another to do it with the world watching and some real hero&#8217;s life on the line. Kudos to the SEALs. If any are reading this, I wish that I could pick up a round of cold beverages for you guys.</p>
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		<title>By: Heath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 00:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Avtomat, have you ever seen the wake from an Arliegh Burke class destroyer?  Considering what was going on I can almost guarantee the ship was at a modified General Quarters.  That means both screws were a turning... they stir up a LOT of water even at slow speeds.  

I used to have a picture of myself along with the rest of the Engineering department standing under those monsters on USS Milius (DDG-69) while she was in dry dock.  They&#039;re HUGE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Avtomat, have you ever seen the wake from an Arliegh Burke class destroyer?  Considering what was going on I can almost guarantee the ship was at a modified General Quarters.  That means both screws were a turning&#8230; they stir up a LOT of water even at slow speeds.  </p>
<p>I used to have a picture of myself along with the rest of the Engineering department standing under those monsters on USS Milius (DDG-69) while she was in dry dock.  They&#8217;re HUGE.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 23:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, do you reckon your suppressor is bending your barrel? How far is your POI off (from a cold barrel)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, do you reckon your suppressor is bending your barrel? How far is your POI off (from a cold barrel)?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 22:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heath, thanks for the comment. I have not sailed on military ships. My sea experience has only been on cargo ships, which roll about the sea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heath, thanks for the comment. I have not sailed on military ships. My sea experience has only been on cargo ships, which roll about the sea.</p>
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		<title>By: jdun1911</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdun1911</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 21:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t make a piston rifle as accurate as a bolt action rifle. You can get close but that&#039;s as far as it goes. DI rifles on the other hand can suppress bolt action rifle in accuracies and at a low cost.

I believe the M110 will replace the M24 in the US Army. It is made by Knight&#039;s Armament Company.

BTW it is now clear that the standard for DI 308 AR10 rifle is Knight&#039;s Armament. So buy clone that has the same magwell as Knight Armament rifle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t make a piston rifle as accurate as a bolt action rifle. You can get close but that&#8217;s as far as it goes. DI rifles on the other hand can suppress bolt action rifle in accuracies and at a low cost.</p>
<p>I believe the M110 will replace the M24 in the US Army. It is made by Knight&#8217;s Armament Company.</p>
<p>BTW it is now clear that the standard for DI 308 AR10 rifle is Knight&#8217;s Armament. So buy clone that has the same magwell as Knight Armament rifle.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think it is safe to assume these guys know now their weapons performs when suppressed (unlike video games, in real life suppressors make no change to the external ballistics of the projectile, but it does change the weight balance of the firearm)&quot;

I cant say I agree with the above statement. Hanging a 1.5 - 2.0 lb silencer off the end of the barrel does affect POI to some extent.  

At least in my limited experience it does. Rem 700 AAC 7.62-SD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think it is safe to assume these guys know now their weapons performs when suppressed (unlike video games, in real life suppressors make no change to the external ballistics of the projectile, but it does change the weight balance of the firearm)&#8221;</p>
<p>I cant say I agree with the above statement. Hanging a 1.5 &#8211; 2.0 lb silencer off the end of the barrel does affect POI to some extent.  </p>
<p>At least in my limited experience it does. Rem 700 AAC 7.62-SD</p>
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		<title>By: Avtomat</title>
		<link>http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/16/more-details-on-the-seal-snipers/#comment-8731</link>
		<dc:creator>Avtomat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the lifeboat was being pulled in the wake of the ship, then the waves--and bobbing--would have been minimized even more (assuming the waters were rough in the first place)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the lifeboat was being pulled in the wake of the ship, then the waves&#8211;and bobbing&#8211;would have been minimized even more (assuming the waters were rough in the first place)</p>
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		<title>By: Heath</title>
		<link>http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/16/more-details-on-the-seal-snipers/#comment-8730</link>
		<dc:creator>Heath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an ex surface Navy guy who has sailed around the globe on destroyers I am here to tell you they (Destroyers) are anything but steady.  They still sway and roll with the waves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an ex surface Navy guy who has sailed around the globe on destroyers I am here to tell you they (Destroyers) are anything but steady.  They still sway and roll with the waves.</p>
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		<title>By: MrSatyre</title>
		<link>http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/16/more-details-on-the-seal-snipers/#comment-8723</link>
		<dc:creator>MrSatyre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 17:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I know is after looking at the lifeboat, I&#039;ll be damned how the snipers could even SEE their targets through those tiny, high-mounted windows. Taking into consideration the much smaller size of the lifeboat would mean it was bouncing around a lot more than the destroyer... Jeezus. A lot of well-deserved self-congratulations all around, Sniper Team!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I know is after looking at the lifeboat, I&#8217;ll be damned how the snipers could even SEE their targets through those tiny, high-mounted windows. Taking into consideration the much smaller size of the lifeboat would mean it was bouncing around a lot more than the destroyer&#8230; Jeezus. A lot of well-deserved self-congratulations all around, Sniper Team!</p>
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