Comments on: Chinese CQ M4 being sold in Canada http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/15/chinese-cq-m4-being-sold-in-canada/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:19:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: caper http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/15/chinese-cq-m4-being-sold-in-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-83308 caper Sun, 15 Jan 2012 17:06:35 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5997#comment-83308 you don't need to be in a gun club to have handguns in canada, i am in nova scotia, i have eight handguns and i don't belong to a gun club, i am a collector by status. you don’t need to be in a gun club to have handguns in canada, i am in nova scotia, i have eight handguns and i don’t belong to a gun club, i am a collector by status.

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]]> By: Adam R http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/15/chinese-cq-m4-being-sold-in-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-82570 Adam R Mon, 09 Jan 2012 21:55:51 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5997#comment-82570 I've never fired the Noricno SKS, but if it fires anything like the Soviet SKS then yes, great rifle. I had a Soviet SKS a little while ago that fired a 7.62/39 round and I pumped a ton of rounds down that barrel. Only thing that sucked was when using that Soviet military ammo, your rifle get's so damn dirty that you end up spending hours cleaning that thing after you get it home from the range. If yours came with the bayonette, try firing it with the bayonette extended out. It really helped with accuracy with the Soviet version. As far as the Chinese model... I'll never ever purchase one. They're garbage. I’ve never fired the Noricno SKS, but if it fires anything like the Soviet SKS then yes, great rifle. I had a Soviet SKS a little while ago that fired a 7.62/39 round and I pumped a ton of rounds down that barrel. Only thing that sucked was when using that Soviet military ammo, your rifle get’s so damn dirty that you end up spending hours cleaning that thing after you get it home from the range. If yours came with the bayonette, try firing it with the bayonette extended out. It really helped with accuracy with the Soviet version. As far as the Chinese model… I’ll never ever purchase one. They’re garbage.

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]]> By: joe http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/15/chinese-cq-m4-being-sold-in-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-82497 joe Mon, 09 Jan 2012 03:22:27 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5997#comment-82497 Where do you order from? Interested in getting supplies that don't have any nasty restrictions. Where do you order from? Interested in getting supplies that don’t have any nasty restrictions.

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]]> By: commanderbuttnaked http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/15/chinese-cq-m4-being-sold-in-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-82267 commanderbuttnaked Thu, 05 Jan 2012 15:59:59 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5997#comment-82267 have the rinco sks, fun shooter, never fails, almost is indestructible. Dont know much about this thing. The sks is such a bang for the buck. have the rinco sks, fun shooter, never fails, almost is indestructible. Dont know much about this thing. The sks is such a bang for the buck.

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]]> By: Adam R http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/15/chinese-cq-m4-being-sold-in-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-81979 Adam R Sat, 31 Dec 2011 23:16:31 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5997#comment-81979 I was Armored Recon with the CF for 5 years and I used the C-8 for half that time. For the rest, I used the C-7. Other then the fact that the C-8 has full auto, the CQ-A almost seems better! The C-8 always jammed up and that's coming from a gun owner/ex-military person who's very anal about how clean and how well maintained a firearm should be. I'm in school for gunsmithing at the moment as well, so I am pretty anal about that stuff. I love my CQ-A. Love it. If you're interested in a cheap-to-fire side arm, take a look at the Austrian ISSC MK-22. I just got one and I'm pretty happy. $20 and you can shoot all day! I was Armored Recon with the CF for 5 years and I used the C-8 for half that time. For the rest, I used the C-7. Other then the fact that the C-8 has full auto, the CQ-A almost seems better! The C-8 always jammed up and that’s coming from a gun owner/ex-military person who’s very anal about how clean and how well maintained a firearm should be. I’m in school for gunsmithing at the moment as well, so I am pretty anal about that stuff. I love my CQ-A. Love it. If you’re interested in a cheap-to-fire side arm, take a look at the Austrian ISSC MK-22. I just got one and I’m pretty happy. $20 and you can shoot all day!

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]]> By: Adam R http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/15/chinese-cq-m4-being-sold-in-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-81977 Adam R Sat, 31 Dec 2011 23:11:00 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5997#comment-81977 I watched that while waiting for my Norinco to come in and I was blown away. I don't plan on firing my CQ like that but it's nice to see that you can beat the crap out of it like that and it still functions. Can't wait to customize mine! I watched that while waiting for my Norinco to come in and I was blown away. I don’t plan on firing my CQ like that but it’s nice to see that you can beat the crap out of it like that and it still functions. Can’t wait to customize mine!

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]]> By: HelloNiceKitty http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/15/chinese-cq-m4-being-sold-in-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-81197 HelloNiceKitty Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:51:55 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5997#comment-81197 And of course the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cahWZkE4dLw And of course the link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cahWZkE4dLw

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]]> By: HelloNiceKitty http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/15/chinese-cq-m4-being-sold-in-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-81196 HelloNiceKitty Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:50:24 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5997#comment-81196 Here's a video of an Italian Norinco M4 endurance test. Thousands of rounds in sequence, cooled in a barrel of water multiple times. The rifle apparently shines. It comes at around 800 EUR here. Have to get one. It is imperative. Here’s a video of an Italian Norinco M4 endurance test. Thousands of rounds in sequence, cooled in a barrel of water multiple times. The rifle apparently shines. It comes at around 800 EUR here. Have to get one. It is imperative.

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]]> By: grow a brain http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/15/chinese-cq-m4-being-sold-in-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-80582 grow a brain Thu, 15 Dec 2011 01:44:08 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5997#comment-80582 if you don't want me to buy chinese, then start selling us guns and bullets, also start competing, i am not paying more than five hundred dollars for a new M14, if the chinese can do it, so can you, you have only yourselves to blame for the influx of norincos that come in to canada, when you stopped selling the good stuff to us, we had to get it somewhere, why not the chinese, when we found out that they were actually good, and cheaper, it was a blessing in disguise when you stopped shipping military type guns and gear to us. the americans like to flap their tongues, do this, do that, don't bla bla bla... i am not an american, i am a canadian, i don't care for american jobs any more than you care for canadian jobs. if a chinaman can make the product almost as good for a quarter of the price, kiss your factory jobs good bye. you are shooting yourselves in the foot by shopping at walmart. oh, come next election, get rid of barack obama, he is the anti-christ. our steven harper put obama in his place when obama said that you did'nt want our dirty alberta oil, he told obama that the chinese would get the oil if the americans did'nt buy it, so if you don't sell us guns the chinese will, same thing, only the chinese get work, not americans. by the way, how is the economy down there, not as good as in china, i suspect. oh, when i say you, i mean your gov't, not individual americans, most of you are very good people. if you don’t want me to buy chinese, then start selling us guns and bullets, also start competing, i am not paying more than five hundred dollars for a new M14, if the chinese can do it, so can you, you have only yourselves to blame for the influx of norincos that come in to canada, when you stopped selling the good stuff to us, we had to get it somewhere, why not the chinese, when we found out that they were actually good, and cheaper, it was a blessing in disguise when you stopped shipping military type guns and gear to us. the americans like to flap their tongues, do this, do that, don’t bla bla bla… i am not an american, i am a canadian, i don’t care for american jobs any more than you care for canadian jobs. if a chinaman can make the product almost as good for a quarter of the price, kiss your factory jobs good bye. you are shooting yourselves in the foot by shopping at walmart. oh, come next election, get rid of barack obama, he is the anti-christ. our steven harper put obama in his place when obama said that you did’nt want our dirty alberta oil, he told obama that the chinese would get the oil if the americans did’nt buy it, so if you don’t sell us guns the chinese will, same thing, only the chinese get work, not americans. by the way, how is the economy down there, not as good as in china, i suspect.

oh, when i say you, i mean your gov’t, not individual americans, most of you are very good people.

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]]> By: Adam R http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/15/chinese-cq-m4-being-sold-in-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-78687 Adam R Sun, 27 Nov 2011 19:14:44 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5997#comment-78687 It's great to hear so many good things about the Norinco CQ-A. I just bought my first one and waiting on the ATT to get it home. Until that comes in I'm just doing a lot of research on aftermarket parts for it so sites like these really help. I used the Canadian Forces variation (C-8) through out my career in the Canadian Forces and it seemed to jam up a lot no matter how well I took care of it, so it's good to know that these rifles don't have the same problem. Does anyone know of a really good, reliable and affordable place that I can get some after market rails, sights, scopes, tach lights and etc that ship to your door? Thanks for the great reads everyone! Adam - Thunder Bay, Ontario It’s great to hear so many good things about the Norinco CQ-A. I just bought my first one and waiting on the ATT to get it home. Until that comes in I’m just doing a lot of research on aftermarket parts for it so sites like these really help. I used the Canadian Forces variation (C-8) through out my career in the Canadian Forces and it seemed to jam up a lot no matter how well I took care of it, so it’s good to know that these rifles don’t have the same problem. Does anyone know of a really good, reliable and affordable place that I can get some after market rails, sights, scopes, tach lights and etc that ship to your door?

Thanks for the great reads everyone!

Adam – Thunder Bay, Ontario

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]]> By: Nate http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/15/chinese-cq-m4-being-sold-in-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-77527 Nate Wed, 16 Nov 2011 22:48:52 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5997#comment-77527 Hi everybody and cheers from Switzerland. Stumbled over this site somehow and wanted to share my experiance with the Chinese Norinco AR-15 clone. I bought one because it is as impossible to get an american made AR in Europe as it seems to be in Canada. We have German and Swiss made AR's which play at around 3000-3500 CAD. In my opinion way too much money for an AR. I have spent this money for a SIG 553 but in my opinion that would be like comparing a BMW with a Ford. I bought it 11 months ago for 1390 CAD and my CQ came with a 14,5 inch chrome lined barrel with a birdcage style flash hider. I was surprised how well the Norinco was made compared to photos (as above) and comments I had heared. The finish was comparable to American made AR's on the lower price range and came well coated , laser engraved, etc. My local gun dealer told me that I bought the newer, much improved (from a finish perspective) lot. Only part which was really inacceptable was the buffer tube (looking like it was made in some backyard afghan ak factory) and the collapsible buttstock which came lose very quickly and was impossible to tighten after that. I replaced both parts very quickly for little money. To this point I have put around 3000 rounds through it and it has functioned flawlessly even with the crappiest magazines or ammo. Wet, dry, in the heat and in the cold. Normal gun maintenance provided. Not a single malfunction up to date. As a tactical shooter with a military and law enforcement background this already does it for me. Accuracy wise I would give it a 7/10 but the trigger is the big surprise. A 10/10, for a factory trigger. Overall great value for money! Did I care that I bought a gun originating from country governed by a totalitarian regime? Yes I did. If a reasonably priced american AR would have been available even for a few hundred dollars more I would have refrained from buying it. But as they are not available anymore.... Hi everybody and cheers from Switzerland. Stumbled over this site somehow and wanted to share my experiance with the Chinese Norinco AR-15 clone. I bought one because it is as impossible to get an american made AR in Europe as it seems to be in Canada. We have German and Swiss made AR’s which play at around 3000-3500 CAD. In my opinion way too much money for an AR. I have spent this money for a SIG 553 but in my opinion that would be like comparing a BMW with a Ford.
I bought it 11 months ago for 1390 CAD and my CQ came with a 14,5 inch chrome lined barrel with a birdcage style flash hider. I was surprised how well the Norinco was made compared to photos (as above) and comments I had heared. The finish was comparable to American made AR’s on the lower price range and came well coated , laser engraved, etc. My local gun dealer told me that I bought the newer, much improved (from a finish perspective) lot. Only part which was really inacceptable was the buffer tube (looking like it was made in some backyard afghan ak factory) and the collapsible buttstock which came lose very quickly and was impossible to tighten after that. I replaced both parts very quickly for little money.
To this point I have put around 3000 rounds through it and it has functioned flawlessly even with the crappiest magazines or ammo. Wet, dry, in the heat and in the cold. Normal gun maintenance provided. Not a single malfunction up to date. As a tactical shooter with a military and law enforcement background this already does it for me.
Accuracy wise I would give it a 7/10 but the trigger is the big surprise. A 10/10, for a factory trigger.
Overall great value for money!
Did I care that I bought a gun originating from country governed by a totalitarian regime? Yes I did. If a reasonably priced american AR would have been available even for a few hundred dollars more I would have refrained from buying it. But as they are not available anymore….

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]]> By: Rob http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/15/chinese-cq-m4-being-sold-in-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-76311 Rob Fri, 04 Nov 2011 02:45:43 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5997#comment-76311 where id you get yours recoated? where id you get yours recoated?

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]]> By: CplRead http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/15/chinese-cq-m4-being-sold-in-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-71431 CplRead Wed, 14 Sep 2011 02:41:44 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5997#comment-71431 Ok from a Canadian Soldiers point of view this is an older but good weapon. We used to use the C7-A1 5.56 Nato standard (M4-A1 if your American) and it really is a nice rifle it shoots true, operates in almost all conditions, rarely jams if properly maintained, and has a decent range and rate of fire. For the price you really cant go wrong with this rifle as long as you take care of it proprly, if you let it rust, never clean it ect you will have problems. If you are looking for somthing new and try the A2 model its almost the same just a few small differences. Id take this rifle over an ak-47 any day just because on the range and accuracy. Now heres the problem where its made im not sure whats being used to make these and how they are probably mass produced an mininal cost but again its a cheap rifle and you will have fun. I only wish we could have full auto in Canada! Ok from a Canadian Soldiers point of view this is an older but good weapon. We used to use the C7-A1 5.56 Nato standard (M4-A1 if your American) and it really is a nice rifle it shoots true, operates in almost all conditions, rarely jams if properly maintained, and has a decent range and rate of fire. For the price you really cant go wrong with this rifle as long as you take care of it proprly, if you let it rust, never clean it ect you will have problems. If you are looking for somthing new and try the A2 model its almost the same just a few small differences. Id take this rifle over an ak-47 any day just because on the range and accuracy. Now heres the problem where its made im not sure whats being used to make these and how they are probably mass produced an mininal cost but again its a cheap rifle and you will have fun. I only wish we could have full auto in Canada!

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]]> By: Trond http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/15/chinese-cq-m4-being-sold-in-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-63493 Trond Mon, 23 May 2011 17:31:13 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5997#comment-63493 Hey, I'm canadian, This retails for $695.00 in stores here. Only complaint from over 50 people i've talked to is this finish. Rifles function great, alright accuracy and cheap as borcht! Go to "Whole Sale Sports", paper work takes an hour than you walk away with it. Oh, and who the fuck said Canada makes shity rifles. You americans want an AR, get a "DLASK" or Alberta Tactical. Range from $1500-to$3000, but what ever you get they are f'n amazing. All made right here in the big white north Hey, I’m canadian, This retails for $695.00 in stores here. Only complaint from over 50 people i’ve talked to is this finish. Rifles function great, alright accuracy and cheap as borcht! Go to “Whole Sale Sports”, paper work takes an hour than you walk away with it. Oh, and who the fuck said Canada makes shity rifles. You americans want an AR, get a “DLASK” or Alberta Tactical. Range from $1500-to$3000, but what ever you get they are f’n amazing. All made right here in the big white north

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]]> By: Wayne http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/15/chinese-cq-m4-being-sold-in-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-61996 Wayne Wed, 04 May 2011 18:37:03 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5997#comment-61996 Does anyone know if standard M4 accessories will fit on the Norinco? Like fore ends and stocks? Does anyone know if standard M4 accessories will fit on the Norinco? Like fore ends and stocks?

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]]> By: Wayne http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/15/chinese-cq-m4-being-sold-in-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-61994 Wayne Wed, 04 May 2011 18:27:52 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5997#comment-61994 I have a Norinco M14 clone that, as everyone here has pointed out, had a less than desireable finish. I have since spent almost $5000 on it including things like a pelican case and ballistic software. I first had the whole thing bead blasted and re-coated black to mil-spec so the finish is now better than SA. I put a Vltor mod stock on and glass bedded it, lapped the barrel and finished it off with lots of U.S. made goodies and a Leupold Mark IV FFP scope. All that to say, I consistantly hit human silhouette targets beyond 800m and even have some hits out to 1000m. Point is these Chinese knock-offs are absolutely not inferior in any way other than price. I am currently waiting for my M4 to arrive and I will likely do the same with it, re-finish it and add whatever accessories it will accept. I have a Norinco M14 clone that, as everyone here has pointed out, had a less than desireable finish. I have since spent almost $5000 on it including things like a pelican case and ballistic software.
I first had the whole thing bead blasted and re-coated black to mil-spec so the finish is now better than SA. I put a Vltor mod stock on and glass bedded it, lapped the barrel and finished it off with lots of U.S. made goodies and a Leupold Mark IV FFP scope.
All that to say, I consistantly hit human silhouette targets beyond 800m and even have some hits out to 1000m. Point is these Chinese knock-offs are absolutely not inferior in any way other than price.
I am currently waiting for my M4 to arrive and I will likely do the same with it, re-finish it and add whatever accessories it will accept.

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]]> By: Dave http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/15/chinese-cq-m4-being-sold-in-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-57843 Dave Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:18:48 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5997#comment-57843 I've been looking at the CQ for a bit now and in all honesty for the price it can't be beat. In Canada it's strictly a range gun so it's a toy so I don't want to spend a pile anyway. If I was in the market to spend mega bucks on a "black" rifle in the great white north I wouldn't buy a AR anyway,-Swiss Arms Classic (sig550) is where I'd spend my money and you can smack yotes and ground hogs all day with it and RCMP won't say boo. I also have a Norico M305 (m14 clone), It shoots just as well as the springfield version and I have been told (by the guys at Fulton Armory in the US) that it's reciever is acutally somewhat superior to the Springfield versions because of the alloy used. Fit and finish leaves bit to be desired though. Food for thought, I have a brand spanking new (now Remington owned)Marlin 1895 GBL which has been having extraction problems and has disapointing finish and have a Savage .17hmr that has fed poorly from day one. I’ve been looking at the CQ for a bit now and in all honesty for the price it can’t be beat. In Canada it’s strictly a range gun so it’s a toy so I don’t want to spend a pile anyway. If I was in the market to spend mega bucks on a “black” rifle in the great white north I wouldn’t buy a AR anyway,-Swiss Arms Classic (sig550) is where I’d spend my money and you can smack yotes and ground hogs all day with it and RCMP won’t say boo.

I also have a Norico M305 (m14 clone), It shoots just as well as the springfield version and I have been told (by the guys at Fulton Armory in the US) that it’s reciever is acutally somewhat superior to the Springfield versions because of the alloy used. Fit and finish leaves bit to be desired though.

Food for thought, I have a brand spanking new (now Remington owned)Marlin 1895 GBL which has been having extraction problems and has disapointing finish and have a Savage .17hmr that has fed poorly from day one.

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]]> By: randy http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/15/chinese-cq-m4-being-sold-in-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-53280 randy Thu, 20 Jan 2011 01:40:24 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5997#comment-53280 i've had my cq-a for about 6 months now. I have about 300 rounds through it, not a single misfire. i replaced the irons w/ an 80 dollar NCStar scope, and i'm looking at sub-MOA accuracy from 100m, as fired by hand, match 55gr. FMJ. not bad for semi-auto let alone one w/ a 14.5 inch barrell. finish is similar to other AR's i've fired, notably the colt canada C7A1 and A2. Big bang for the buck from norinco, though i also cringe at my currency going to china. i now have my eyes on an EoTech 512, costing almost as much as the rifle. also on my shopping list is the latest batch of polytech m305's, (norinco m-14s)same story, 400 CDN from marstar, 1200 and change from sprinfield. i’ve had my cq-a for about 6 months now. I have about 300 rounds through it, not a single misfire. i replaced the irons w/ an 80 dollar NCStar scope, and i’m looking at sub-MOA accuracy from 100m, as fired by hand, match 55gr. FMJ. not bad for semi-auto let alone one w/ a 14.5 inch barrell. finish is similar to other AR’s i’ve fired, notably the colt canada C7A1 and A2. Big bang for the buck from norinco, though i also cringe at my currency going to china. i now have my eyes on an EoTech 512, costing almost as much as the rifle. also on my shopping list is the latest batch of polytech m305′s, (norinco m-14s)same story, 400 CDN from marstar, 1200 and change from sprinfield.

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]]> By: Mike the frenchman http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/15/chinese-cq-m4-being-sold-in-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-53083 Mike the frenchman Wed, 19 Jan 2011 07:59:07 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5997#comment-53083 Got my M4 today. At first glance it seems ok. Pretty tight fit between the lower and the upper. Pulled it apart and I don't see any difference from any other AR models. Only thing was that the fire/safe lever was a bit stiff. Can't wait to bring it at the shooting range . What about fitting railguards and other equipment on it. Any complaints in that area ? Got my M4 today. At first glance it seems ok. Pretty tight fit between the lower and the upper. Pulled it apart and I don’t see any difference from any other AR models. Only thing was that the fire/safe lever was a bit stiff. Can’t wait to bring it at the shooting range . What about fitting railguards and other equipment on it. Any complaints in that area ?

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]]> By: Stephen http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/15/chinese-cq-m4-being-sold-in-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-49288 Stephen Sat, 11 Dec 2010 01:55:19 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5997#comment-49288 Sorry for double post. (did it from my phone) hopefully the forum mod can get rid of the first and this one Sorry for double post. (did it from my phone) hopefully the forum mod can get rid of the first and this one

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