Comments on: Sellier & Bellot acquired by CBC http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/10/sellier-bellot-acquired-by-cbc/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:24:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Joel Wood http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/10/sellier-bellot-acquired-by-cbc/comment-page-1/#comment-51985 Joel Wood Tue, 04 Jan 2011 00:44:42 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5917#comment-51985 I love all things czech ( motorcycles, guns, beer, women ) so a bit dissapointed when learning of MagTech purchase of S&B. Not as much faith in Brazilian products and ironically (?) have had misfires w/MT handgun ammo ( both revolver & pistol ) No problems w/ S&B. Every time I see good prices on S&B .223 ammo it turns out to be 5.56x45nato. My CZis chambered for .223 Rem. What say you ? I love all things czech ( motorcycles, guns, beer, women ) so a bit dissapointed when learning of MagTech purchase of S&B. Not as much faith in Brazilian products and ironically (?) have had misfires w/MT handgun ammo ( both revolver & pistol ) No problems w/ S&B. Every time I see good prices on S&B .223 ammo it turns out to be 5.56x45nato. My CZis chambered for .223 Rem. What say you ?

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]]> By: TheGunGeek http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/10/sellier-bellot-acquired-by-cbc/comment-page-1/#comment-8735 TheGunGeek Wed, 15 Apr 2009 21:07:28 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5917#comment-8735 For those that think that "Sellier & Bellot, an industry leader of quality ammunition" is a bit of a misleading statement remember- "poor" is a type of quality. It's like saying "I'm in shape. Round is a shape." or "If it weren't for bad luck, I wouldn't have any luck at all." It will be interesting to see if anything changes, for better or worse. For those that think that “Sellier & Bellot, an industry leader of quality ammunition” is a bit of a misleading statement remember- “poor” is a type of quality.

It’s like saying “I’m in shape. Round is a shape.”

or “If it weren’t for bad luck, I wouldn’t have any luck at all.”

It will be interesting to see if anything changes, for better or worse.

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]]> By: DrStrangegun http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/10/sellier-bellot-acquired-by-cbc/comment-page-1/#comment-8660 DrStrangegun Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:54:12 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5917#comment-8660 Matt Groom, Doesn't seem so ironic to me. If CBC runs at 110% capacity for long enough, they'll either have to expand somehow or face losing the opportunity given by the market. The beancounters will look at a couple of options, likely including expanding the existing line, building a new factory, or "going outside". If infrastructure concerns means the existing factory couldn't get enough materials/water/power if expanded, or local codes and laws didn't allow it or made it too expensive, and the new factory was going to be a nightmare given that it's a munitions factory and all the BS the government applies to those shops, the option is natural... look around for a way to get factories that are already established and expand that way. S&B probably just happened to be on the market at that time, the price was right, viola, CBC buys S&B. No irony whatsoever.... in fact, that CBC said they were at 110% makes this purchase into something completely sensible. Matt Groom,

Doesn’t seem so ironic to me. If CBC runs at 110% capacity for long enough, they’ll either have to expand somehow or face losing the opportunity given by the market. The beancounters will look at a couple of options, likely including expanding the existing line, building a new factory, or “going outside”. If infrastructure concerns means the existing factory couldn’t get enough materials/water/power if expanded, or local codes and laws didn’t allow it or made it too expensive, and the new factory was going to be a nightmare given that it’s a munitions factory and all the BS the government applies to those shops, the option is natural… look around for a way to get factories that are already established and expand that way. S&B probably just happened to be on the market at that time, the price was right, viola, CBC buys S&B. No irony whatsoever…. in fact, that CBC said they were at 110% makes this purchase into something completely sensible.

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]]> By: Matt Groom http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/10/sellier-bellot-acquired-by-cbc/comment-page-1/#comment-8607 Matt Groom Sat, 11 Apr 2009 11:45:51 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5917#comment-8607 This is ironic for me, because I am developing a cartridge for company K. We asked company Q to make us the brass, they said they could, but not for 2.5 Years. Back orders, you see. I asked Magtech, who's owned by CBC, who said very little other than "We're operating at 110% capacity at the factory and won't be able to do it." So, I get help from company H, who sources their brass from S&B, who will now be owned by CBC. This is ironic for me, because I am developing a cartridge for company K. We asked company Q to make us the brass, they said they could, but not for 2.5 Years. Back orders, you see. I asked Magtech, who’s owned by CBC, who said very little other than “We’re operating at 110% capacity at the factory and won’t be able to do it.” So, I get help from company H, who sources their brass from S&B, who will now be owned by CBC.

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]]> By: DrStrangegun http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/10/sellier-bellot-acquired-by-cbc/comment-page-1/#comment-8593 DrStrangegun Sat, 11 Apr 2009 01:25:16 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5917#comment-8593 I've never had an issue with S&B's rifle and semiauto pistol ammo. The revolver ammo now... there are some issues, mostly in component selection. If I had any sitting around, I'd almost bet that the .38spl and .357mag FMJ they load is a .355 projectile. Granted, the last of it I shot was well over a year ago, I don't know if the situation's changed.... I’ve never had an issue with S&B’s rifle and semiauto pistol ammo.

The revolver ammo now… there are some issues, mostly in component selection. If I had any sitting around, I’d almost bet that the .38spl and .357mag FMJ they load is a .355 projectile. Granted, the last of it I shot was well over a year ago, I don’t know if the situation’s changed….

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]]> By: Andy http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/10/sellier-bellot-acquired-by-cbc/comment-page-1/#comment-8569 Andy Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:09:56 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5917#comment-8569 I've done fine with S&B. As long as they can keep making .303 British. I’ve done fine with S&B. As long as they can keep making .303 British.

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]]> By: Carl http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/10/sellier-bellot-acquired-by-cbc/comment-page-1/#comment-8567 Carl Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:30:53 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5917#comment-8567 Company A buying up companies B and C is not the problem. Chances are A can afford to buy other companies because they have a lot of money. And they have a lot of money presumably because they sell a lot of products. And this is probably because their products are good. So this means that a good company expands, increasing the scale, bringing prices down. The problem is that companies X, Y and Z are never started, so A can get some decent competition from people with fresh ideas. This is because of too much taxes and regulation. Company A buying up companies B and C is not the problem.

Chances are A can afford to buy other companies because they have a lot of money. And they have a lot of money presumably because they sell a lot of products. And this is probably because their products are good. So this means that a good company expands, increasing the scale, bringing prices down.

The problem is that companies X, Y and Z are never started, so A can get some decent competition from people with fresh ideas. This is because of too much taxes and regulation.

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]]> By: Tony http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/10/sellier-bellot-acquired-by-cbc/comment-page-1/#comment-8564 Tony Fri, 10 Apr 2009 09:57:53 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5917#comment-8564 <i>"Sellier & Bellot, an industry leader of quality ammunition"</i> Ha! S&B ammunition could be described in many ways. "Quality" is not really one of them. :) “Sellier & Bellot, an industry leader of quality ammunition”

Ha!

S&B ammunition could be described in many ways. “Quality” is not really one of them. :)

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