Comments on: British Army’s new combat shotgun http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/10/british-armys-new-combat-shotgun/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:24:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Ruby Butera http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/10/british-armys-new-combat-shotgun/comment-page-1/#comment-86094 Ruby Butera Sun, 05 Feb 2012 03:17:53 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5923#comment-86094 Major thankies for the blog post.Really looking forward to read more. Will read on... Major thankies for the blog post.Really looking forward to read more. Will read on…

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]]> By: cun http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/10/british-armys-new-combat-shotgun/comment-page-1/#comment-72152 cun Fri, 23 Sep 2011 20:17:50 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5923#comment-72152 What wrong with m2? Since British army don't hang all that shit off it like the us army does the m2 would be better What wrong with m2? Since British army don’t hang all that shit off it like the us army does the m2 would be better

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]]> By: Tony http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/10/british-armys-new-combat-shotgun/comment-page-1/#comment-69061 Tony Sun, 07 Aug 2011 13:35:48 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5923#comment-69061 Came across the link and thought I would provide my $.02 Can only speak for my M4 11707 with 'carrierComp' full Length 7rd Titanium Magazine Tube. I have two stocks: . factory with pistol grip LOP 14 3/8" . urbino tac stock with pistol grip & cheek riser LOP 12.5" Why two stocks you ask, well that is a very good question. 99% of the time I shoot without a vest, therefore the LOP of 14 3/8" is perfect. The other 1% of the time when shooting with a vest the LOP of 12.5". The 'collapsible stock' would be perfect, BUT I would run into 922r issues, therefore I simply swap out the stocks. Ref: http://freedomfightertactical.com/922r-faq/ This weapon will shoot anything and I do mean anything without ANY failures. Love my 870, but the M4 is my go too weapon. Came across the link and thought I would provide my $.02

Can only speak for my M4 11707 with ‘carrierComp’ full Length 7rd Titanium Magazine Tube.

I have two stocks:

. factory with pistol grip LOP 14 3/8″

. urbino tac stock with pistol grip & cheek riser LOP 12.5″

Why two stocks you ask, well that is a very good question. 99% of the time I shoot without a vest, therefore the LOP of 14 3/8″ is perfect. The other 1% of the time when shooting with a vest the LOP of 12.5″.

The ‘collapsible stock’ would be perfect, BUT I would run into 922r issues, therefore I simply swap out the stocks. Ref: http://freedomfightertactical.com/922r-faq/

This weapon will shoot anything and I do mean anything without ANY failures.

Love my 870, but the M4 is my go too weapon.

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]]> By: Dennis http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/10/british-armys-new-combat-shotgun/comment-page-1/#comment-52922 Dennis Mon, 17 Jan 2011 19:48:22 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5923#comment-52922 "I took a shotgun course with a group of Marines who were using this. The adjustable stock adjust into one of two lengths- Way too short and way too long." Sounds to me like you shot the civilian version that only has the fully extended and fully collapsed position on its stock. Didn't your marine buddies tell you this wasn't the same config as what they use? As for reliability, it has generally gotten good marks on that from most people using it. “I took a shotgun course with a group of Marines who were using this. The adjustable stock adjust into one of two lengths- Way too short and way too long.”

Sounds to me like you shot the civilian version that only has the fully extended and fully collapsed position on its stock. Didn’t your marine buddies tell you this wasn’t the same config as what they use?

As for reliability, it has generally gotten good marks on that from most people using it.

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]]> By: john http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/10/british-armys-new-combat-shotgun/comment-page-1/#comment-13043 john Sun, 09 Aug 2009 17:25:28 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5923#comment-13043 as many people have said the stock is way to small or a little big, but as for the weapon its self if has proved its self a vital peice of kit within my section a numoruse amount of times dureing either close range engagements in the thick vegitation in the green zone or compund clearance, a very good bit or kit and when well maintained like every infanters weaopn should be very reliable cpl campbell 2 rifles british infantry as many people have said the stock is way to small or a little big, but as for the weapon its self if has proved its self a vital peice of kit within my section a numoruse amount of times dureing either close range engagements in the thick vegitation in the green zone or compund clearance, a very good bit or kit and when well maintained like every infanters weaopn should be very reliable

cpl campbell 2 rifles
british infantry

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]]> By: AK™ http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/10/british-armys-new-combat-shotgun/comment-page-1/#comment-9201 AK™ Tue, 05 May 2009 03:20:06 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5923#comment-9201 it appears they are using EOTechs, the 552..the AA battery version. it appears they are using EOTechs, the 552..the AA battery version.

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]]> By: Heath http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/10/british-armys-new-combat-shotgun/comment-page-1/#comment-8729 Heath Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:13:32 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5923#comment-8729 What optics are the Brits using? What optics are the Brits using?

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/10/british-armys-new-combat-shotgun/comment-page-1/#comment-8608 Steve Sat, 11 Apr 2009 11:55:23 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5923#comment-8608 thanks all for the info. thanks all for the info.

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]]> By: Matt Groom http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/10/british-armys-new-combat-shotgun/comment-page-1/#comment-8605 Matt Groom Sat, 11 Apr 2009 11:37:50 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5923#comment-8605 The guys I served with who got these didn't have any reliability problems, but also complained about the stock. Many said they preferred the Mossberg 500Mil that was replaced (I never saw a 590 in the USMC, not to say they don't exist), cause many had been fitted with Bantam length stocks and it also cycled less-lethals. The guys I served with who got these didn’t have any reliability problems, but also complained about the stock. Many said they preferred the Mossberg 500Mil that was replaced (I never saw a 590 in the USMC, not to say they don’t exist), cause many had been fitted with Bantam length stocks and it also cycled less-lethals.

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]]> By: Tam http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/10/british-armys-new-combat-shotgun/comment-page-1/#comment-8602 Tam Sat, 11 Apr 2009 11:12:28 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5923#comment-8602 Benelli stopped advertising in <i>SWAT</i> magazine when Louis Awerbuck panned the M4 in a review. The stock, as mentioned above, is either too short or too long. Also, everybody I've talked to that has facial hair can tell you painful stories about it. The general opinion is that it's inferior in nearly every way to the M1, except you can put a light and a sidesaddle on an M4 without it choking, unlike the inertia-driven M1. (Go to a shotgun class and watch the guys with M1 Super 90s that have lasers, phasers, and windspeed gauges hanging off them. They puke left and right.) Benelli stopped advertising in SWAT magazine when Louis Awerbuck panned the M4 in a review.

The stock, as mentioned above, is either too short or too long. Also, everybody I’ve talked to that has facial hair can tell you painful stories about it.

The general opinion is that it’s inferior in nearly every way to the M1, except you can put a light and a sidesaddle on an M4 without it choking, unlike the inertia-driven M1. (Go to a shotgun class and watch the guys with M1 Super 90s that have lasers, phasers, and windspeed gauges hanging off them. They puke left and right.)

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]]> By: Heath http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/10/british-armys-new-combat-shotgun/comment-page-1/#comment-8597 Heath Sat, 11 Apr 2009 04:56:23 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5923#comment-8597 I use a Benelli SBEII as my predator shotgun and it's a shooting son of gun that has functioned flawlessly through all of the abuse I put it through. A friend of mine has been using his M4 for predator for a couple years and swears by it. Of course we don't have the adjustable stocks. I use a Benelli SBEII as my predator shotgun and it’s a shooting son of gun that has functioned flawlessly through all of the abuse I put it through. A friend of mine has been using his M4 for predator for a couple years and swears by it.

Of course we don’t have the adjustable stocks.

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]]> By: Sven Ortmann http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/10/british-armys-new-combat-shotgun/comment-page-1/#comment-8586 Sven Ortmann Fri, 10 Apr 2009 22:51:45 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5923#comment-8586 I have a photo of three Benelli M4 Super 90 (no pistol grip, pistol grip, pistol grip+telescopic buttstock) here. The last version (telescopic buttstock) seems to have a slightly longer (maybe .5") buttstock when extended and the photo of a retracted buttstock doesn't look like intended for use in that position at all. The fixed stock versions look identical to the Benelli M1 behind the trigger. I have a photo of three Benelli M4 Super 90 (no pistol grip, pistol grip, pistol grip+telescopic buttstock) here.
The last version (telescopic buttstock) seems to have a slightly longer (maybe .5″) buttstock when extended and the photo of a retracted buttstock doesn’t look like intended for use in that position at all.

The fixed stock versions look identical to the Benelli M1 behind the trigger.

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]]> By: Daverino http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/10/british-armys-new-combat-shotgun/comment-page-1/#comment-8585 Daverino Fri, 10 Apr 2009 22:37:40 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5923#comment-8585 I have also heard that they are quite unreliable. Anyone out there have any first hand experience? Thanks for the blog Steve. I have also heard that they are quite unreliable. Anyone out there have any first hand experience? Thanks for the blog Steve.

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/10/british-armys-new-combat-shotgun/comment-page-1/#comment-8579 Steve Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:35:18 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5923#comment-8579 Kevin, heh, I assumed it was a M4 like adjustable with many positions. Kevin, heh, I assumed it was a M4 like adjustable with many positions.

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]]> By: Kevin http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/10/british-armys-new-combat-shotgun/comment-page-1/#comment-8577 Kevin Fri, 10 Apr 2009 20:20:37 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5923#comment-8577 I took a shotgun course with a group of Marines who were using this. The adjustable stock adjust into one of two lengths- Way too short and way too long. Only gorillas can shoot it well when wearing body armor and the the stock extended. Fully retracted you have to be a midget. However the marines, while agreeing it sucked, did a good job with it. I took a shotgun course with a group of Marines who were using this. The adjustable stock adjust into one of two lengths- Way too short and way too long.

Only gorillas can shoot it well when wearing body armor and the the stock extended. Fully retracted you have to be a midget.

However the marines, while agreeing it sucked, did a good job with it.

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/10/british-armys-new-combat-shotgun/comment-page-1/#comment-8566 Steve Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:52:01 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5923#comment-8566 Tam, is it that bad? I have never used one. Tam, is it that bad? I have never used one.

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]]> By: Tam http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/10/british-armys-new-combat-shotgun/comment-page-1/#comment-8565 Tam Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:50:46 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5923#comment-8565 ...and it has possibly the most retarded stock in the history of shotgunning. …and it has possibly the most retarded stock in the history of shotgunning.

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