Comments on: Springfield XD .45 blown up http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/16/springfield-xd-45-blown-up/ Firearms not Politics Sat, 20 Mar 2010 03:17:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: john http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/16/springfield-xd-45-blown-up/#comment-27402 john Wed, 24 Feb 2010 02:59:42 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5597#comment-27402 dont take me as being an xd hater im not, in fact im about ready to purchase an xd .45, i think they are solid handguns , i think alot of people are not reloading safe loads . dont take me as being an xd hater im not, in fact im about ready to purchase an xd .45, i think they are solid handguns , i think alot of people are not reloading safe loads .

]]> By: john http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/16/springfield-xd-45-blown-up/#comment-27400 john Wed, 24 Feb 2010 02:14:28 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5597#comment-27400 glocks arent blowing up by themseves ,their suferring bullet setback improper crimps ,and people arent carefully weighing their loads , how does a gun ," blow up by itself" , hmm have to see that one ,physics miracle. glocks arent blowing up by themseves ,their suferring bullet setback improper crimps ,and people arent carefully weighing their loads , how does a gun ,” blow up by itself” , hmm have to see that one ,physics miracle.

]]> By: brandon http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/16/springfield-xd-45-blown-up/#comment-27353 brandon Tue, 23 Feb 2010 20:42:57 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5597#comment-27353 I own a XD 45 it is a great firearm.I have almost had 3 squibs from a 22LR.H&R 9 shot revolver from factory loads one time but it was my fault I was hauling square bails of hay and got sweaty and the pistol was in my pocket and somehow dampened the bullets powder I believe that would never happen to center fire though 3 rounds popped but went out the barrel very weakly the loads were top of the line for 22 they start wt a c is all I'm going to say. I own a XD 45 it is a great firearm.I have almost had 3 squibs from a 22LR.H&R 9 shot revolver from factory loads one time but it was my fault I was hauling square bails of hay and got sweaty and the pistol was in my pocket and somehow dampened the bullets powder I believe that would never happen to center fire though 3 rounds popped but went out the barrel very weakly the loads were top of the line for 22 they start wt a c is all I’m going to say.

]]> By: King http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/16/springfield-xd-45-blown-up/#comment-22802 King Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:35:27 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5597#comment-22802 As long as you are simply target shooting, a squib load is fairly easy to catch. The real issue comes when you have a squib load and you are shooting multiple rounds rapidly. Defensive/Tactical applications dictate that a lot of your training requires you to fire this way. My advise is to either not worry about squib loads when you are training or only buy factory ammunition from a reputable manufacturer. If you worry about a squib load then you are not paying enough attention to what you should be doing. As stated above in this thread, I agree that it is never a good idea to buy reloads from some one that you do not know and or trust with your life. Reload yourself when you are alert and not under the influence, or buy Factory. It does look more like an over loaded round rather than a squib load. As long as you are simply target shooting, a squib load is fairly easy to catch. The real issue comes when you have a squib load and you are shooting multiple rounds rapidly. Defensive/Tactical applications dictate that a lot of your training requires you to fire this way. My advise is to either not worry about squib loads when you are training or only buy factory ammunition from a reputable manufacturer. If you worry about a squib load then you are not paying enough attention to what you should be doing. As stated above in this thread, I agree that it is never a good idea to buy reloads from some one that you do not know and or trust with your life. Reload yourself when you are alert and not under the influence, or buy Factory. It does look more like an over loaded round rather than a squib load.

]]> By: Jim http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/16/springfield-xd-45-blown-up/#comment-22451 Jim Wed, 23 Dec 2009 23:32:06 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5597#comment-22451 Thanks to my reloading skills, or lack there of, when I got my progressive reloader, I failed to put powder in a few. I've remedied that since. The result was about 3 or 4 squibs, in my XD 45ACP, with only the primer punching the slug barely out of the case. I had to pry the slide back with a thin screwdriver blade on my trusty Swiss Army knife. The bullets were lodged so far back, I couldnt load a round behind them anyway.....which is what probably saved me. A quick strip down, and application of the old wooden spoon handle, had me back in action in about 2 minutes. Now, I remain very aware of each round fired and never assume anything. I wish I didn't have to reload to afford to shoot. The wife hasn't missed that short handled, oak spoon yet, but it has sure turned out to be a handy resident in my range bag. Thanks to my reloading skills, or lack there of, when I got my progressive reloader, I failed to put powder in a few. I’ve remedied that since. The result was about 3 or 4 squibs, in my XD 45ACP, with only the primer punching the slug barely out of the case. I had to pry the slide back with a thin screwdriver blade on my trusty Swiss Army knife. The bullets were lodged so far back, I couldnt load a round behind them anyway…..which is what probably saved me. A quick strip down, and application of the old wooden spoon handle, had me back in action in about 2 minutes. Now, I remain very aware of each round fired and never assume anything. I wish I didn’t have to reload to afford to shoot. The wife hasn’t missed that short handled, oak spoon yet, but it has sure turned out to be a handy resident in my range bag.

]]> By: Chitown http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/16/springfield-xd-45-blown-up/#comment-14546 Chitown Wed, 16 Sep 2009 02:39:19 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5597#comment-14546 Easiest and safest solution - buy HK http://www.streetpro.com/usp/torture.html Easiest and safest solution – buy HK

http://www.streetpro.com/usp/torture.html

]]> By: Dan http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/16/springfield-xd-45-blown-up/#comment-12664 Dan Thu, 30 Jul 2009 01:53:00 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5597#comment-12664 Looks more like an overcharged handload from how the barrel just blew up. I doubt a squib could provide that much damage to the barrel. Looks more like an overcharged handload from how the barrel just blew up. I doubt a squib could provide that much damage to the barrel.

]]> By: the Gunslinger http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/16/springfield-xd-45-blown-up/#comment-11418 the Gunslinger Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:22:16 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5597#comment-11418 I just bought one of these pistols,and it's kinda' good to see it's even fairly safe when it catastrphically fails. I've only experienced one squib (that wasn't rimfire) in all of my shooting. It was with a Desert Eagle .44 Magnum auto,and I still thank God to this day that I realized the "pop" was way too soft and I should hold back the next shot. I can't even imagine what a rear end collision in THAT bore would have done!! -Rob I just bought one of these pistols,and it’s kinda’ good to see it’s even fairly safe when it catastrphically fails. I’ve only experienced one squib (that wasn’t rimfire) in all of my shooting. It was with a Desert Eagle .44 Magnum auto,and I still thank God to this day that I realized the “pop” was way too soft and I should hold back the next shot. I can’t even imagine what a rear end collision in THAT bore would have done!!
-Rob

]]> By: Mike http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/16/springfield-xd-45-blown-up/#comment-10890 Mike Tue, 16 Jun 2009 05:02:13 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5597#comment-10890 I once stuck a bullet in a Colt Series 70 .45ACP - this was at least 25+ years ago. Bulged the barrel with the next round and the pistol was locked open. Gunsmith took a look, laughed and took it into his shop. He whacked it with something and took it apart. Bulged barrel but no other damage - replaced barrel and good to go. Still have the pistol. I once stuck a bullet in a Colt Series 70 .45ACP – this was at least 25+ years ago.

Bulged the barrel with the next round and the pistol was locked open.

Gunsmith took a look, laughed and took it into his shop. He whacked it with something and took it apart. Bulged barrel but no other damage – replaced barrel and good to go. Still have the pistol.

]]> By: Carl http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/16/springfield-xd-45-blown-up/#comment-8143 Carl Sun, 29 Mar 2009 15:49:46 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5597#comment-8143 I don´t see how this is such a great success? Wouldn´t it be better if both bullets were pushed out rather than the barrel exploding? From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_USP "During testing, a bullet was deliberately lodged in a USP barrel. Another cartridge was then fired into the obstructing bullet. The second bullet cleared the barrel, resulting in a barely noticeable bulge. The pistol was then fired for accuracy and the resulting group measured less than 4 inches at 25 meters." I don´t see how this is such a great success?
Wouldn´t it be better if both bullets were pushed out rather than the barrel exploding?

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_USP

“During testing, a bullet was deliberately lodged in a USP barrel. Another cartridge was then fired into the obstructing bullet. The second bullet cleared the barrel, resulting in a barely noticeable bulge. The pistol was then fired for accuracy and the resulting group measured less than 4 inches at 25 meters.”

]]> By: "gunner" http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/16/springfield-xd-45-blown-up/#comment-7533 "gunner" Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:56:47 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5597#comment-7533 you make excellent sense dr. strangegun. the squib i had in the webley was very likely my own fault, though i usually eyeball check, loading only batches of 50 rounds at a time, i must have somehow missed that round. no fault on the gun, it held up surprisingly well for a late 19th century antique. the only suggestion i can add to your remarks is "do your reloading when you're rested, awake and alert, not tired and half sleepy, and leave the alcohol until you've closed down the loading bench and gone off to watch t.v. or read a book." "gunner" you make excellent sense dr. strangegun. the squib i had in the webley was very likely my own fault, though i usually eyeball check, loading only batches of 50 rounds at a time, i must have somehow missed that round. no fault on the gun, it held up surprisingly well for a late 19th century antique. the only suggestion i can add to your remarks is “do your reloading when you’re rested, awake and alert, not tired and half sleepy, and leave the alcohol until you’ve closed down the loading bench and gone off to watch t.v. or read a book.”
“gunner”

]]> By: DrStrangegun http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/16/springfield-xd-45-blown-up/#comment-7514 DrStrangegun Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:07:42 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5597#comment-7514 Hrmm. Couple of points to ponder. 1 - If you reload with an automatic powder measure, HAVE A POWDER CHECK DIE. 2 - If you reload with an automatic powder measure, and don't have a powder check die, or at least in my thinking, I would throw my rounds in a bag and jumble them so I don't use them in order. If the drop tube were to gum up a little bit and short a load, then the natural result would be to overcharge the next, right? Jumbling them avoids firing a 1.x overload directly after a squib. Am I making sense? Hrmm. Couple of points to ponder.

1 – If you reload with an automatic powder measure, HAVE A POWDER CHECK DIE.

2 – If you reload with an automatic powder measure, and don’t have a powder check die, or at least in my thinking, I would throw my rounds in a bag and jumble them so I don’t use them in order.

If the drop tube were to gum up a little bit and short a load, then the natural result would be to overcharge the next, right? Jumbling them avoids firing a 1.x overload directly after a squib.

Am I making sense?

]]> By: jdun1911 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/16/springfield-xd-45-blown-up/#comment-7498 jdun1911 Tue, 17 Mar 2009 04:08:56 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5597#comment-7498 The guy in the forum gone to great length to make sure it's not the fault of XD but his reload. I don't recommend buying reloaded ammo. Make your own or buy factory ammo. The guy in the forum gone to great length to make sure it’s not the fault of XD but his reload.

I don’t recommend buying reloaded ammo. Make your own or buy factory ammo.

]]> By: "gunner" http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/16/springfield-xd-45-blown-up/#comment-7492 "gunner" Tue, 17 Mar 2009 03:33:40 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5597#comment-7492 i once had the same thing, a squib load in a mark one webley .45 conversion, shooting .45 auto-rim loads, firing a fast string. the cylinder and frame latch held and all i got was a bulged barrel about halfway down. i replaced the barrel and got several more years shooting out of the gun before selling it. "gunner" i once had the same thing, a squib load in a mark one webley .45 conversion, shooting .45 auto-rim loads, firing a fast string. the cylinder and frame latch held and all i got was a bulged barrel about halfway down. i replaced the barrel and got several more years shooting out of the gun before selling it.
“gunner”

]]> By: Tom Stone http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/16/springfield-xd-45-blown-up/#comment-7487 Tom Stone Tue, 17 Mar 2009 01:50:57 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5597#comment-7487 I have had 2 squib loads using factory reloads while taking a firearms class,and witnessed several more.These reloads were provided by the school,and were in both 9mm and .45.No injury to the firearms or shooters resulted since the problem surfaced during an aimed fire part of the course.The commercial reloader had recieved a batch of bad primers from a major manufacturer and he did replace the Ammo at no cost to the school.I will still use commercial reloads for practice but am always aware of the potential for misfires. I have had 2 squib loads using factory reloads while taking a firearms class,and witnessed several more.These reloads were provided by the school,and were in both 9mm and .45.No injury to the firearms or shooters resulted since the problem surfaced during an aimed fire part of the course.The commercial reloader had recieved a batch of bad primers from a major manufacturer and he did replace the Ammo at no cost to the school.I will still use commercial reloads for practice but am always aware of the potential for misfires.

]]> By: Heath http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/16/springfield-xd-45-blown-up/#comment-7485 Heath Tue, 17 Mar 2009 01:32:49 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5597#comment-7485 That had to have been spooky! That had to have been spooky!

]]> By: Dom http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/16/springfield-xd-45-blown-up/#comment-7480 Dom Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:59:35 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5597#comment-7480 Hey, you gotta love that! As a proud owner of two XDs, it is good to see one's suspicions confirmed. It is hard to beat these for the money. It also goes to show you why shooting/safety glasses at the range are a Good Thing! Hey, you gotta love that! As a proud owner of two XDs, it is good to see one’s suspicions confirmed. It is hard to beat these for the money.

It also goes to show you why shooting/safety glasses at the range are a Good Thing!

]]> By: TexasFred http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/16/springfield-xd-45-blown-up/#comment-7474 TexasFred Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:22:40 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5597#comment-7474 If I blow up my XD-45 Tactical it will be with factory rounds... I did a kB years ago on a S&W Model 28, made a hell of a mess, I have NEVER shot a reload since... Costs a bit more but I have not had so much as one glitch since, except with that POS Glock 19 I all but gave away... If I blow up my XD-45 Tactical it will be with factory rounds…

I did a kB years ago on a S&W Model 28, made a hell of a mess, I have NEVER shot a reload since… Costs a bit more but I have not had so much as one glitch since, except with that POS Glock 19 I all but gave away…

]]> By: Kyle Huff http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/16/springfield-xd-45-blown-up/#comment-7473 Kyle Huff Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:20:31 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5597#comment-7473 Not luck. Clever engineering. Not luck. Clever engineering.

]]> By: Mark http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/16/springfield-xd-45-blown-up/#comment-7470 Mark Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:41:33 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5597#comment-7470 That is pretty impressive. That XD held up very well under some extreme circumstance. That is pretty impressive. That XD held up very well under some extreme circumstance.

]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/16/springfield-xd-45-blown-up/#comment-7464 Steve Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:57:32 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5597#comment-7464 Sennin & le bolide, typo, pretty funny I must admit ;) Sennin & le bolide, typo, pretty funny I must admit ;)

]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/16/springfield-xd-45-blown-up/#comment-7461 Steve Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:53:34 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5597#comment-7461 Valhalla, I am not sure what the statistics are about squib loads from a factory (non handloaded) round. Would be interesting to know. I would think it is very low. Valhalla, I am not sure what the statistics are about squib loads from a factory (non handloaded) round. Would be interesting to know. I would think it is very low.

]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/16/springfield-xd-45-blown-up/#comment-7462 Steve Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:53:34 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5597#comment-7462 Sennin, fixed the typo ;) Sennin, fixed the typo ;)

]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/16/springfield-xd-45-blown-up/#comment-7460 Steve Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:51:03 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5597#comment-7460 redmanlaw, handloads. redmanlaw, handloads.

]]> By: le bolide http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/16/springfield-xd-45-blown-up/#comment-7454 le bolide Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:41:43 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5597#comment-7454 On the other hand, I'd be pretty concerned if I somehow shot my barrel out the muzzle. On the other hand, I’d be pretty concerned if I somehow shot my barrel out the muzzle.

]]> By: Sennin http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/16/springfield-xd-45-blown-up/#comment-7453 Sennin Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:38:59 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5597#comment-7453 "... does not have enough energy to push the barrel out the muzzle) ..." Is this a new ammunition feature? Sorry; I couldn't resist. “… does not have enough energy to push the barrel out the muzzle) …”

Is this a new ammunition feature?

Sorry; I couldn’t resist.

]]> By: Matt Groom http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/16/springfield-xd-45-blown-up/#comment-7452 Matt Groom Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:30:39 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5597#comment-7452 "If instead of a bang, you hear a pop, that's how you know it's time to stop." “If instead of a bang, you hear a pop, that’s how you know it’s time to stop.”

]]> By: Stan http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/16/springfield-xd-45-blown-up/#comment-7450 Stan Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:20:37 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5597#comment-7450 Comparing this to a Glock KB isn't really fair as this wasn't the fault of the gun, but of the ammunition, and of the shooter for not checking out the gun after hearing a not quite right bang. Comparing this to a Glock KB isn’t really fair as this wasn’t the fault of the gun, but of the ammunition, and of the shooter for not checking out the gun after hearing a not quite right bang.

]]> By: Valhalla http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/16/springfield-xd-45-blown-up/#comment-7448 Valhalla Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:50:50 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5597#comment-7448 How common are squib loads (assuming you buy from a middle level manufacturer)? Would it do more damage to the gun/shooter if the squib was closer to the end of the barrel, or closer to the chamber? How common are squib loads (assuming you buy from a middle level manufacturer)?

Would it do more damage to the gun/shooter if the squib was closer to the end of the barrel, or closer to the chamber?

]]> By: redmanlaw http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/16/springfield-xd-45-blown-up/#comment-7446 redmanlaw Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:14:40 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5597#comment-7446 Factory ammo or handloads? I had a couple of sqib loads in my revolvers that required clearance by good ol' Rod, Wood. Probably due to high primers in reloading on my part. Factory ammo or handloads? I had a couple of sqib loads in my revolvers that required clearance by good ol’ Rod, Wood. Probably due to high primers in reloading on my part.

]]> By: Tom http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/16/springfield-xd-45-blown-up/#comment-7444 Tom Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:49:47 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5597#comment-7444 I've worked on quite a few XDs and Glocks and all I can say about them is it takes a *lot* to screw one up. Granted, plugging up the bore with a squib shot will wreck almost anything, but I'd venture to say the guy was lucky it was an XD or it may have had considerably worse consequences on weaker designs. Never had a gun blow up on me, though my father has on two occasions. One was a Charter auto in .380, and the experience has left him with a serious dislike of Charter in general. Having a pistol explode in your hand does have that effect on people I suppose ;) I’ve worked on quite a few XDs and Glocks and all I can say about them is it takes a *lot* to screw one up. Granted, plugging up the bore with a squib shot will wreck almost anything, but I’d venture to say the guy was lucky it was an XD or it may have had considerably worse consequences on weaker designs.

Never had a gun blow up on me, though my father has on two occasions. One was a Charter auto in .380, and the experience has left him with a serious dislike of Charter in general. Having a pistol explode in your hand does have that effect on people I suppose ;)

]]> By: Joshua http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/16/springfield-xd-45-blown-up/#comment-7443 Joshua Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:06:16 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5597#comment-7443 @Jesse: You fire into a squib load, and every gun will KB. Glocks were going KB all on their own. @Jesse: You fire into a squib load, and every gun will KB. Glocks were going KB all on their own.

]]> By: DrStrangegun http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/16/springfield-xd-45-blown-up/#comment-7439 DrStrangegun Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:22:31 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5597#comment-7439 Looks like it performed admirably to me. The only other direction to blow the pressure would have been down through the grip, which is what a lot of other guns do, splitting polymer frames and blowing live cartridges everywhere, almost invariably causing the shooter to bleed a bit. I don't give a damn what semiauto pistol you're shooting, block the barrel with a squib and you're going to have a serious problem. Looks like it performed admirably to me. The only other direction to blow the pressure would have been down through the grip, which is what a lot of other guns do, splitting polymer frames and blowing live cartridges everywhere, almost invariably causing the shooter to bleed a bit.

I don’t give a damn what semiauto pistol you’re shooting, block the barrel with a squib and you’re going to have a serious problem.

]]> By: Jesse http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/16/springfield-xd-45-blown-up/#comment-7435 Jesse Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:43:20 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5597#comment-7435 I thought Glocks were the only gun to go Kaboom. *eye roll* Seriously he's lucky he wasn't hurt. I thought Glocks were the only gun to go Kaboom. *eye roll*

Seriously he’s lucky he wasn’t hurt.

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