Comments on: STI Eagle now in .357 SIG http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/06/sti-eagle-now-in-357-sig/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:10:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Al http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/06/sti-eagle-now-in-357-sig/comment-page-1/#comment-57168 Al Mon, 07 Mar 2011 10:06:06 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5513#comment-57168 STI and a SVI? They are both top-of-the-range :) SVI has more options and more polish, but there's little difference when looking at the target. STI and a SVI? They are both top-of-the-range :)

SVI has more options and more polish, but there’s little difference when looking at the target.

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]]> By: Al http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/06/sti-eagle-now-in-357-sig/comment-page-1/#comment-57165 Al Mon, 07 Mar 2011 09:26:27 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5513#comment-57165 The .357 Sig is a .40 case necked down to 9mm. It's not a new idea, look up when it was developed. Any .40 cal semi-auto can be converted to .357Sig with just a new barrel. Everything remains .40 cal except the bore, projectile, and reloading dies. What do you get from a .357Sig? With 125gn projectiles...hyper velocity and nice muzzle flash! With 165gn projectiles...around 1100ft/sec and uber penetration. Unfortunately the .357Sig cartridge cannot take much more than a 165gn projectile because the OA length must be similar to a .40Cal. The.40cal can take a heavier projectile because of diameter, and a .45 even more so. If I could choose between a .45 and a .357Sig it would be a .45...huge stopping power in a very relaxed cartridge! The .357Sig is more stressed like a .40, and it copes no problem but there's more stress. My .357Magnum revolver could not make Major Power Factor in IPSC without exceeding the recommended loading data. My .357Sig semi-auto makes Major well within the loading specs, but nothing like a .45. Magazine capacity is another factor. Look at Para double-stack mags... 9mm=18. .40 and .357Sig=16. .45=14. So many choices; so hard to choose! The .357 Sig is a .40 case necked down to 9mm. It’s not a new idea, look up when it was developed.

Any .40 cal semi-auto can be converted to .357Sig with just a new barrel. Everything remains .40 cal except the bore, projectile, and reloading dies.

What do you get from a .357Sig? With 125gn projectiles…hyper velocity and nice muzzle flash! With 165gn projectiles…around 1100ft/sec and uber penetration.

Unfortunately the .357Sig cartridge cannot take much more than a 165gn projectile because the OA length must be similar to a .40Cal. The.40cal can take a heavier projectile because of diameter, and a .45 even more so.

If I could choose between a .45 and a .357Sig it would be a .45…huge stopping power in a very relaxed cartridge! The .357Sig is more stressed like a .40, and it copes no problem but there’s more stress.

My .357Magnum revolver could not make Major Power Factor in IPSC without exceeding the recommended loading data. My .357Sig semi-auto makes Major well within the loading specs, but nothing like a .45.

Magazine capacity is another factor. Look at Para double-stack mags… 9mm=18. .40 and .357Sig=16. .45=14.

So many choices; so hard to choose!

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]]> By: Fenixom1911 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/06/sti-eagle-now-in-357-sig/comment-page-1/#comment-57008 Fenixom1911 Fri, 04 Mar 2011 18:39:10 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5513#comment-57008 Hi Guys How work this model STI EAGLE 5.0 in caliber 9mm and 45ACP ??? What magazines cartridges are 9mm and 45ACP max ??? Whether he is cutting himself 9mm and 45ACP ??? Like with the durability of material STI ??? PLZ OPINION ))) Regards Fenixom Hi Guys

How work this model STI EAGLE 5.0 in caliber 9mm and 45ACP ???
What magazines cartridges are 9mm and 45ACP max ???
Whether he is cutting himself 9mm and 45ACP ???
Like with the durability of material STI ???
PLZ OPINION )))

Regards
Fenixom

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]]> By: Kevin Wicks http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/06/sti-eagle-now-in-357-sig/comment-page-1/#comment-29490 Kevin Wicks Fri, 26 Mar 2010 21:24:08 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5513#comment-29490 G'day Chaps The talk of a factory STI is of interest. As you are aware we IPSC shooters in Aus are restricted to a max caliber of .38. A fair few have either rechambered their .38 supers or rebarrelled in 357, bought new mags, dies & were away. I noticed that the 357 Sig STI pistol is an Eagle. I run an STI Edge & I like the "wide" frame, so the question, do they make the Edge in 357 ? Regards. G’day Chaps

The talk of a factory STI is of interest. As you are aware we IPSC shooters in Aus are restricted to a max caliber of .38. A fair few have either rechambered their .38 supers or rebarrelled in 357, bought new mags, dies & were away. I noticed that the 357 Sig STI pistol is an Eagle. I run an STI Edge & I like the “wide” frame, so the question, do they make the Edge in 357 ?
Regards.

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]]> By: Fenixom1911 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/06/sti-eagle-now-in-357-sig/comment-page-1/#comment-28659 Fenixom1911 Tue, 16 Mar 2010 19:34:53 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5513#comment-28659 How work caliber 9mm and 45ACP ????? How work caliber 9mm and 45ACP ?????

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]]> By: Fenixom1911 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/06/sti-eagle-now-in-357-sig/comment-page-1/#comment-28632 Fenixom1911 Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:51:06 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5513#comment-28632 Hi Guys How work this model STI EAGLE 5.0 in caliber 9mm and 45ACP ??? What magazines cartridges are 9mm and 45ACP max ??? Whether he is cutting himself 9mm and 45ACP ??? Like with the durability of material STI ??? PLZ OPINION :)))) Regards Fenix Hi Guys

How work this model STI EAGLE 5.0 in caliber 9mm and 45ACP ???
What magazines cartridges are 9mm and 45ACP max ???
Whether he is cutting himself 9mm and 45ACP ???
Like with the durability of material STI ???
PLZ OPINION :) )))

Regards Fenix

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]]> By: Wally http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/06/sti-eagle-now-in-357-sig/comment-page-1/#comment-26485 Wally Mon, 15 Feb 2010 01:39:19 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5513#comment-26485 Thanks Al, am waiting for the Forum registration approval. And will check them ASAP. This would help me decide if I would change to 357SIG. Presently am competing with 40SW (Standard Div). Thanks again. Thanks Al, am waiting for the Forum registration approval. And will check them ASAP. This would help me decide if I would change to 357SIG. Presently am competing with 40SW (Standard Div). Thanks again.

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]]> By: Al http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/06/sti-eagle-now-in-357-sig/comment-page-1/#comment-26434 Al Sun, 14 Feb 2010 07:03:15 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5513#comment-26434 Wally, Do a search at IPSC Global Village, or IPSC Australia Forum. Here we have to make the .357Sig work for local reasons. It must work 100% for sportin reasons. Heavy projectiles (around 160gn) and slow pistol powder delivers 100% sportin reliability an pf'ormance. Wally, Do a search at IPSC Global Village, or IPSC Australia Forum. Here we have to make the .357Sig work for local reasons. It must work 100% for sportin reasons. Heavy projectiles (around 160gn) and slow pistol powder delivers 100% sportin reliability an pf’ormance.

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]]> By: Wally http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/06/sti-eagle-now-in-357-sig/comment-page-1/#comment-26427 Wally Sun, 14 Feb 2010 04:24:15 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5513#comment-26427 Ammu, how is the double tapping with your Eagle 357Sig? How do you do with the reloading process of your ammo? Ammu, how is the double tapping with your Eagle 357Sig? How do you do with the reloading process of your ammo?

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]]> By: AmmuNitionGuns.com http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/06/sti-eagle-now-in-357-sig/comment-page-1/#comment-24417 AmmuNitionGuns.com Fri, 22 Jan 2010 19:01:52 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5513#comment-24417 i have this eagle very high quality and price i expensive i have this eagle very high quality and price i expensive

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]]> By: Gazminator http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/06/sti-eagle-now-in-357-sig/comment-page-1/#comment-10464 Gazminator Sat, 06 Jun 2009 04:28:55 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5513#comment-10464 G'day, In Australia we now have all the gutless muppets trying to ban semi-auto pistols completely, which is a total joke because 85% of murders here are done with knives. What are they gunna do next, ban us from having kitchen knives or are they just going to restict us to 2 inch blades? I have been working through the process of buying an STI from the N.S.W Distributor at Auburn Shooting Academy, Dave Crittendon. STI. So many brilliant pistols, so hard to choose, those Texans sure do know how to make a precision 1911 mate ! I had it parred down to either The Tactical 5.0 , The Edge or The Eagle 6.0 chambered for .38 super with a 9 round clip because until 5 minutes ago I thought that was as good as it gets Down Under, but now ... You Little Ripper ! The EAGLE 6.0" in .357 SIG ! That's the ducks nuts !!! Yee Haa! Time to max out the credit card ! Cheers Mate. G’day,
In Australia we now have all the gutless muppets trying to ban semi-auto pistols completely, which is a total joke because 85% of murders here are done with knives. What are they gunna do next, ban us from having kitchen knives or are they just going to restict us to 2 inch blades?

I have been working through the process of buying an STI from the N.S.W Distributor at Auburn Shooting Academy, Dave Crittendon. STI. So many brilliant pistols, so hard to choose, those Texans sure do know how to make a precision 1911 mate !

I had it parred down to either The Tactical 5.0 , The Edge or The Eagle 6.0 chambered for .38 super with a 9 round clip because until 5 minutes ago I thought that was as good as it gets Down Under, but now … You Little Ripper ! The EAGLE 6.0″ in .357 SIG ! That’s the ducks nuts !!! Yee Haa! Time to max out the credit card !
Cheers Mate.

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]]> By: MIKE http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/06/sti-eagle-now-in-357-sig/comment-page-1/#comment-8351 MIKE Fri, 03 Apr 2009 22:06:29 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5513#comment-8351 I agree with Brandon we keep seeing these new calibers coming out and they keep saying how much better in power these new calibers are. If they would just look at the 10mm again its already been done and the 10mm has the power they keep trying to get. With today's carbon fibers and powders it would cost less for the major gun companies to come up with a new 10mm handgun and then have the major bullet companies bring back the full power 10mm ammo. With today's new powders they could bring back the full power 10mm round with less recoil and less pressure and that is what everyone that was complaining about the first time with the 10mm. If they did that they would not only have a winner the sales on this gun would go through the roof. And this time they need to make sure to advertise better that is what they forgot to do the first time which was good advertising. Not many people even know that there is another new 10mm why bad advertising. I agree with Brandon we keep seeing these new calibers coming out and they keep saying how much better in power these new calibers are. If they would just look at the 10mm again its already been done and the 10mm has the power they keep trying to get. With today’s carbon fibers and powders it would cost less for the major gun companies to come up with a new 10mm handgun and then have the major bullet companies bring back the full power 10mm ammo.
With today’s new powders they could bring back the full power 10mm round with less recoil and less pressure and that is what everyone that was complaining about the first time with the 10mm. If they did that they would not only have a winner the sales on this gun would go through the roof. And this time they need to make sure to advertise better that is what they forgot to do the first time which was good advertising. Not many people even know that there is another new 10mm why bad advertising.

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]]> By: Mat http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/06/sti-eagle-now-in-357-sig/comment-page-1/#comment-7682 Mat Sun, 22 Mar 2009 06:25:39 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5513#comment-7682 A lot of highway patrol departments use .357 SiG. Texas, North Carolina, and Virginia come to mind. I read somewhere that tests were done firing common autopistol rounds though windshield glass and the .357 SiG was the only one that would penetrate the glass without deviation. Very useful for highway patrol encounters with perps trying to run them down. Bottleneck rounds feed smoother. I have never had a stovepipe out of hundreds of rounds fired through my .357 SiG P226. My .45ACP P220 will stovepipe on me occasionally, as will my 9mm CZ. And lastly, it is very accurate. I think it would make an excellent carbine/submachinegun round. If Beretta would make a CX-4 Storm in .357 SiG I'd be on it like white on rice. A lot of highway patrol departments use .357 SiG. Texas, North Carolina, and Virginia come to mind.

I read somewhere that tests were done firing common autopistol rounds though windshield glass and the .357 SiG was the only one that would penetrate the glass without deviation. Very useful for highway patrol encounters with perps trying to run them down.

Bottleneck rounds feed smoother. I have never had a stovepipe out of hundreds of rounds fired through my .357 SiG P226. My .45ACP P220 will stovepipe on me occasionally, as will my 9mm CZ.

And lastly, it is very accurate.

I think it would make an excellent carbine/submachinegun round. If Beretta would make a CX-4 Storm in .357 SiG I’d be on it like white on rice.

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/06/sti-eagle-now-in-357-sig/comment-page-1/#comment-7224 Steve Mon, 09 Mar 2009 07:44:24 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5513#comment-7224 Al, I didn't think of that. Al, I didn’t think of that.

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]]> By: Al http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/06/sti-eagle-now-in-357-sig/comment-page-1/#comment-7223 Al Mon, 09 Mar 2009 07:43:18 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5513#comment-7223 IPSC may have something to do with .357sig popularity. IPSC has allowed this cartridge as the only 9mm/.38 cal for standard major division. (Previously had to be minimum .40cal). Countries like Australia prohibit pistol cals bigger than 9mm/.38 for the general safety of muppits. So far Australians have to custom build to shoot standard major, so a decent off-the-shelf pistol in this cartridge will be very popular. IPSC may have something to do with .357sig popularity. IPSC has allowed this cartridge as the only 9mm/.38 cal for standard major division. (Previously had to be minimum .40cal).

Countries like Australia prohibit pistol cals bigger than 9mm/.38 for the general safety of muppits. So far Australians have to custom build to shoot standard major, so a decent off-the-shelf pistol in this cartridge will be very popular.

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]]> By: Overload in CO http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/06/sti-eagle-now-in-357-sig/comment-page-1/#comment-7217 Overload in CO Mon, 09 Mar 2009 00:55:47 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5513#comment-7217 As a necked cartridge, wouldn't this make reloading more complicated as you'd need to lube (and wipe) your cases? As a necked cartridge, wouldn’t this make reloading more complicated as you’d need to lube (and wipe) your cases?

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]]> By: John Myers http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/06/sti-eagle-now-in-357-sig/comment-page-1/#comment-7160 John Myers Sat, 07 Mar 2009 02:05:11 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5513#comment-7160 I'm up to four .357 Sig pistols and it's become my favorite caliber, eclipsing 10mm, only two there, G29 and G20. My "Sigs" are a P226 Sig Sig, Steyr M357-A1 and two S&W M&Ps in .357 Sig, the so-called full-size (4.25" barrel and really a compact) and what S&W calls the compact (3.5" barrel and called subcompact by all other makers). Great shooters all and great carry. As for high ammo costs, two words. Georgia Arms. Picked up $1K of range ammo, Speer Cleanfire Frangible, for only $200. It's gone up since, but still cheaper than FMJs and shootable at indoor ranges that ban FMJs. I’m up to four .357 Sig pistols and it’s become my favorite caliber, eclipsing 10mm, only two there, G29 and G20. My “Sigs” are a P226 Sig Sig, Steyr M357-A1 and two S&W M&Ps in .357 Sig, the so-called full-size (4.25″ barrel and really a compact) and what S&W calls the compact (3.5″ barrel and called subcompact by all other makers). Great shooters all and great carry.

As for high ammo costs, two words. Georgia Arms. Picked up $1K of range ammo, Speer Cleanfire Frangible, for only $200. It’s gone up since, but still cheaper than FMJs and shootable at indoor ranges that ban FMJs.

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]]> By: Brandon http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/06/sti-eagle-now-in-357-sig/comment-page-1/#comment-7153 Brandon Fri, 06 Mar 2009 21:20:01 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5513#comment-7153 i want sig to make a 10mm conversion for my p250, oh wait this was about 357sig...why can't these people use what is already available instead of constantly reinventing the wheel? the 10mm already existed, and is more powerful than a 357 magnum. sig should simply have chambered their guns for the 10mm. even in a subcompact the 10mm is better. glock has put 10 rounds in their 29, same as their 9mm subcompacts i want sig to make a 10mm conversion for my p250, oh wait this was about 357sig…why can’t these people use what is already available instead of constantly reinventing the wheel? the 10mm already existed, and is more powerful than a 357 magnum. sig should simply have chambered their guns for the 10mm.

even in a subcompact the 10mm is better. glock has put 10 rounds in their 29, same as their 9mm subcompacts

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]]> By: 22lr http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/06/sti-eagle-now-in-357-sig/comment-page-1/#comment-7147 22lr Fri, 06 Mar 2009 18:48:24 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5513#comment-7147 I never got the point of making a semi cartridge that replicates a wheel gun. We all now that no 1911 is going to be able to match a real 357, LOL just kidding. I guess people just don't go for the revolver anymore, O well that leaves more for me. I never got the point of making a semi cartridge that replicates a wheel gun. We all now that no 1911 is going to be able to match a real 357, LOL just kidding. I guess people just don’t go for the revolver anymore, O well that leaves more for me.

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]]> By: Tom http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/06/sti-eagle-now-in-357-sig/comment-page-1/#comment-7144 Tom Fri, 06 Mar 2009 16:25:38 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5513#comment-7144 I haven't bitten on .357 SIG myself, mostly because it's so expensive. I don't know if it's just the local shops raising prices due to low demand here or it's genuinely pricey. I suppose I'm just too pragmatic to buy a carry gun in a caliber I can't forage for in case of emergency :) If it really gets popular I'd like to buy one just for variety's sake though, hah. I haven’t bitten on .357 SIG myself, mostly because it’s so expensive. I don’t know if it’s just the local shops raising prices due to low demand here or it’s genuinely pricey.

I suppose I’m just too pragmatic to buy a carry gun in a caliber I can’t forage for in case of emergency :) If it really gets popular I’d like to buy one just for variety’s sake though, hah.

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