Comments on: Safir T-14 / ATI AT-14 shotgun photos http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/27/safir-t-14-ati-at-14-shotgun-photos/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:19:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Roman Hidrogo http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/27/safir-t-14-ati-at-14-shotgun-photos/comment-page-1/#comment-85608 Roman Hidrogo Tue, 31 Jan 2012 08:35:48 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5410#comment-85608 I like mine a lot! It is a blast to shoot. I bought the upper and attached it to one of my standard AR lowers. The biggest problem (a serious one) is that the magazines are EXTREMELY sensitive to the shot shells used. The problem lies in the length of the shells. I have some Remingtons and Federals that work just fine. However, the Winchesters will not cycle. The length of a Winchester is 2.28" (unfired). The length of a Remington is 2.22" (unfired). The magazines (ATI) that came with the upper can accept nothing longer than 2.25". Its a shame. The gun is way cool but the magazines are bad. I now have to take a ruler with me when I buy .410 ammo. I like mine a lot! It is a blast to shoot. I bought the upper and attached it to one of my standard AR lowers. The biggest problem (a serious one) is that the magazines are EXTREMELY sensitive to the shot shells used. The problem lies in the length of the shells. I have some Remingtons and Federals that work just fine. However, the Winchesters will not cycle. The length of a Winchester is 2.28″ (unfired). The length of a Remington is 2.22″ (unfired). The magazines (ATI) that came with the upper can accept nothing longer than 2.25″. Its a shame. The gun is way cool but the magazines are bad. I now have to take a ruler with me when I buy .410 ammo.

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]]> By: Dawood Qureshi http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/27/safir-t-14-ati-at-14-shotgun-photos/comment-page-1/#comment-67532 Dawood Qureshi Sat, 16 Jul 2011 21:37:41 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5410#comment-67532 Safir Arms T-14, classic and T-14 Compact are here in USA. Uppers are in stock too. Here are some pictures : here are some Specs and pictures, Type: semi-automatic Gauge: .410 (36), 65 mm (2 1/2") chamber Length: 960 mm (860mm for collapsible butt "S" models) Barrel length: 510 mm (also 320 mm or 610 mm) Weight 2.6 - 2.7 kg Capacity: 5, 10 or 13 rounds in detachable box magazine The T-14 shotgun is developed by Turkish company Safir Arms. Offered by Safirarms LLC NJ. T-14 with Additional Accessories [IMG]http://www.tactical.desktopmarket.com/catalog/images/s7.jpg[/IMG] T-14 Classic [IMG]http://www.dkengg.com/2tactical/catalog/images/t-14.gif[/IMG] T-14-COMPACT [IMG]http://www.dkengg.com/2tactical/catalog/images/T-14-COMPACT.gif[/IMG] T-14 AR-15 compatible Upper [IMG]http://www.dkengg.com/2tactical/catalog/images/Upper.gif[/IMG] T-14 Classic S [IMG]http://www.dkengg.com/2tactical/catalog/images/T-14-CLASSIC-S.gif[/IMG] T-14 Compact-S [IMG]http://www.dkengg.com/2tactical/catalog/images/T14COMPACT-S.gif[/IMG] Safir Arms T-14, classic and T-14 Compact are here in USA. Uppers are in stock too. Here are some pictures :

here are some Specs and pictures,

Type: semi-automatic
Gauge: .410 (36), 65 mm (2 1/2″) chamber
Length: 960 mm (860mm for collapsible butt “S” models)
Barrel length: 510 mm (also 320 mm or 610 mm)
Weight 2.6 – 2.7 kg
Capacity: 5, 10 or 13 rounds in detachable box magazine
The T-14 shotgun is developed by Turkish company Safir Arms.
Offered by Safirarms LLC NJ.

T-14 with Additional Accessories

[IMG]http://www.tactical.desktopmarket.com/catalog/images/s7.jpg[/IMG]

T-14 Classic
[IMG]http://www.dkengg.com/2tactical/catalog/images/t-14.gif[/IMG]

T-14-COMPACT
[IMG]http://www.dkengg.com/2tactical/catalog/images/T-14-COMPACT.gif[/IMG]

T-14 AR-15 compatible Upper
[IMG]http://www.dkengg.com/2tactical/catalog/images/Upper.gif[/IMG]

T-14 Classic S
[IMG]http://www.dkengg.com/2tactical/catalog/images/T-14-CLASSIC-S.gif[/IMG]

T-14 Compact-S
[IMG]http://www.dkengg.com/2tactical/catalog/images/T14COMPACT-S.gif[/IMG]

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]]> By: Dawood Qureshi http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/27/safir-t-14-ati-at-14-shotgun-photos/comment-page-1/#comment-62846 Dawood Qureshi Sun, 15 May 2011 05:03:42 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5410#comment-62846 Dear members, Finally, we have gone through all the processes of licensing with ATF and permits with local NJ authorities. The Guns will be here next week. We have special introductory pricing available at this time, no Minimums. Please visit our e commerce website www.tactical.desktopmarket.com and reserve your weapon. FFL dealers get special whole sale discounts upon mailing an FFL to us. we will have stock on accessories and high capacity magazines, 10 and 13 rounds soon. We will carry sufficient inventory to serve the need of our customers and after sale service. The gun is very popular in other countries. Our both the factories in Turkey are backed up with orders. The current lead time runs between 4-6 week. For USA customers, we will replenish our inventory every month depending on the orders in hand. Guns will be shipped on first cum first serve basis. some of the members had a question about the Uppers. Yes, the uppers are mil-spec and will work with a branded standard AR-15 Lower. Regards/Dawood Qureshi Incharge North American Sales Dear members,

Finally, we have gone through all the processes of licensing with ATF and permits with local NJ authorities. The Guns will be here next week. We have special introductory pricing available at this time, no Minimums. Please visit our e commerce website http://www.tactical.desktopmarket.com and reserve your weapon. FFL dealers get special whole sale discounts upon mailing an FFL to us. we will have stock on accessories and high capacity magazines, 10 and 13 rounds soon. We will carry sufficient inventory to serve the need of our customers and after sale service. The gun is very popular in other countries. Our both the factories in Turkey are backed up with orders. The current lead time runs between 4-6 week. For USA customers, we will replenish our inventory every month depending on the orders in hand. Guns will be shipped on first cum first serve basis.

some of the members had a question about the Uppers. Yes, the uppers are mil-spec and will work with a branded standard AR-15 Lower.

Regards/Dawood Qureshi
Incharge North American Sales

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]]> By: Dawood Qureshi http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/27/safir-t-14-ati-at-14-shotgun-photos/comment-page-1/#comment-62844 Dawood Qureshi Sun, 15 May 2011 04:31:13 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5410#comment-62844 john windle, I can get you a replacement bolt. please contact me. Regards/Dawood john windle,

I can get you a replacement bolt. please contact me.

Regards/Dawood

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]]> By: Dawood Qureshi http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/27/safir-t-14-ati-at-14-shotgun-photos/comment-page-1/#comment-58308 Dawood Qureshi Mon, 21 Mar 2011 02:51:33 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5410#comment-58308 john windle Sorry to hear that you had this problem. This is very unusual. Please e mail me ( safirarmsusa@gmail.com) with you address to help you. thanks Dawood Qureshi john windle

Sorry to hear that you had this problem. This is very unusual. Please e mail me ( safirarmsusa@gmail.com) with you address to help you. thanks

Dawood Qureshi

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]]> By: john windle http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/27/safir-t-14-ati-at-14-shotgun-photos/comment-page-1/#comment-56659 john windle Mon, 28 Feb 2011 21:25:12 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5410#comment-56659 hello, i'm a member of the usaf. recently on a trip to turkey i purchased a safir t-14 shot gun. i brought it home loaded 10 rounds of estate #8 and fired 1 round. the bolt broke right at the t bolt. not good for a new weapon..... where can i get a replacement bolt. and is this a usual occurance? nothing like my colt hello, i’m a member of the usaf. recently on a trip to turkey i purchased a safir t-14 shot gun. i brought it home loaded 10 rounds of estate #8 and fired 1 round. the bolt broke right at the t bolt. not good for a new weapon….. where can i get a replacement bolt. and is this a usual occurance? nothing like my colt

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]]> By: Dawood Qureshi http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/27/safir-t-14-ati-at-14-shotgun-photos/comment-page-1/#comment-47258 Dawood Qureshi Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:02:07 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5410#comment-47258 Safir Arms T-14 M-16 style shotgun and Uppers re-entering US Market by Jan 2011 36 (410) CALIBER, UNRIFLED AND UNGROOVED SEMIAUTOMATIC T- 14 HUNTING GUN WHICH IS SIMILAR TO AR-15 223 REMINGTON will be sold by www.tactical.desktopmarket.com exclusively for Safir Arms manufacturing facility being setup in NJ. Safir Arms T-14 M-16 style shotgun and Uppers re-entering US Market by Jan 2011
36 (410) CALIBER, UNRIFLED AND UNGROOVED SEMIAUTOMATIC T- 14 HUNTING GUN WHICH IS SIMILAR TO AR-15 223 REMINGTON will be sold by http://www.tactical.desktopmarket.com exclusively for Safir Arms manufacturing facility being setup in NJ.

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]]> By: Dawood Qureshi http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/27/safir-t-14-ati-at-14-shotgun-photos/comment-page-1/#comment-46830 Dawood Qureshi Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:58:20 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5410#comment-46830 With all the teething problems removed, T-14 will appear in the market very soon. view it in the coming shotshow at some booths in Las Vegas. The company is setting up a manufacturing facility in New Jersey very soon. Most of the ground work has been done. Permits and licenses are being obtained. This M-16 style Mil specs gun is designed to use every kind of ammo, birdshots, buckshots or slugs. Manufacturer recommends slugs. Because the gun has a powerful gas system that no other shotgun has and also very accurate up to 300 meters. Being Milspecs you can buy an upper separately which can be used/interchanged with all AR 15 lowers, like Bushmaster, Colt and Smith Wesson to convert these rifles into shotgun. The barrel is smooth, however, manufacturer has plans to make it rifled in near future. With all the teething problems removed, T-14 will appear in the market very soon. view it in the coming shotshow at some booths in Las Vegas.

The company is setting up a manufacturing facility in New Jersey very soon. Most of the ground work has been done. Permits and licenses are being obtained. This M-16 style Mil specs gun is designed to use every kind of ammo, birdshots, buckshots or slugs. Manufacturer recommends slugs. Because the gun has a powerful gas system that no other shotgun has and also very accurate up to 300 meters. Being Milspecs you can buy an upper separately which can be used/interchanged with all AR 15 lowers, like Bushmaster, Colt and Smith Wesson to convert these rifles into shotgun. The barrel is smooth, however, manufacturer has plans to make it rifled in near future.

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]]> By: Andrei http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/27/safir-t-14-ati-at-14-shotgun-photos/comment-page-1/#comment-38279 Andrei Tue, 13 Jul 2010 05:55:51 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5410#comment-38279 Looks like every component is merely a revision of the AR-15 setup, minus the annular piston design. Bolt head / carrierand fire control seem modified, that's why it seems the face is shearing off parts. If the bolt head were to be changed to an AR-15 compatible setup (that is, for a .410 shell, of course), and not an originally modified component, you might not have the issue. It seems that, shell ejection failures and FTFs are simply caused by tolerance issues. The reason why the S12 has such good performance is it's built to Soviet standards (i.e. firepower, reliability, simplicity) as it is an Kalashnikov design. The Kalashnikov weapons have such generous tolerances that inaccuracies in feeding, extracting, ejecting, or cycling are nearly completely irrelevant. And even all that could be solved by simply a pull on the charging handle and a few smacks to the upper receiver cover. The T14 could be a wonderful and very successful setup if it were changed. A lot can be done by giving the moving parts a bit more clearance. Tightening your bore and setup generates accuracy (as the AR-10 and AR-15 showed us), but remember the old addage of the shotgun: 'If you're aiming, you're doing something wrong' So do we really need assault rifle-accuracy for a .410 semi-auto shotgun? Looks like every component is merely a revision of the AR-15 setup, minus the annular piston design. Bolt head / carrierand fire control seem modified, that’s why it seems the face is shearing off parts.

If the bolt head were to be changed to an AR-15 compatible setup (that is, for a .410 shell, of course), and not an originally modified component, you might not have the issue. It seems that, shell ejection failures and FTFs are simply caused by tolerance issues.

The reason why the S12 has such good performance is it’s built to Soviet standards (i.e. firepower, reliability, simplicity) as it is an Kalashnikov design. The Kalashnikov weapons have such generous tolerances that inaccuracies in feeding, extracting, ejecting, or cycling are nearly completely irrelevant. And even all that could be solved by simply a pull on the charging handle and a few smacks to the upper receiver cover.

The T14 could be a wonderful and very successful setup if it were changed. A lot can be done by giving the moving parts a bit more clearance. Tightening your bore and setup generates accuracy (as the AR-10 and AR-15 showed us), but remember the old addage of the shotgun:

‘If you’re aiming, you’re doing something wrong’

So do we really need assault rifle-accuracy for a .410 semi-auto shotgun?

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]]> By: Muhannad http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/27/safir-t-14-ati-at-14-shotgun-photos/comment-page-1/#comment-36391 Muhannad Mon, 14 Jun 2010 21:17:56 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5410#comment-36391 the t 14 is the perfect toy for those looking to have a legal m16 other wise i tried all tipes off ammo. but it is all ways jamming i have a glock .45 to my side when ever i go hog hunting my advice dont buy this shit the t 14 is the perfect toy for those looking to have a legal m16
other wise i tried all tipes off ammo. but it is all ways jamming
i have a glock .45 to my side when ever i go hog hunting
my advice
dont buy this shit

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]]> By: Charlie http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/27/safir-t-14-ati-at-14-shotgun-photos/comment-page-1/#comment-36295 Charlie Mon, 14 Jun 2010 00:00:36 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5410#comment-36295 Hi Guys, Just in case you think I am ignoring your questions, I have terminated my realtionship with Safir so I cannot get involved any longer. You should refer your questions to the main importer, whoever supplied your gun or alternatively I am sure that someone on here will have an answer. Charlie Hi Guys, Just in case you think I am ignoring your questions, I have terminated my realtionship with Safir so I cannot get involved any longer.
You should refer your questions to the main importer, whoever supplied your gun or alternatively I am sure that someone on here will have an answer.

Charlie

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]]> By: Eric http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/27/safir-t-14-ati-at-14-shotgun-photos/comment-page-1/#comment-36207 Eric Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:56:37 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5410#comment-36207 I have a SBR, and just bought this upper..... My question is what kind of mal-fuctions will i have if i cut the barrel down to 11.5"? I have a SBR, and just bought this upper….. My question is what kind of mal-fuctions will i have if i cut the barrel down to 11.5″?

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]]> By: Giannis http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/27/safir-t-14-ati-at-14-shotgun-photos/comment-page-1/#comment-33895 Giannis Sun, 16 May 2010 10:35:15 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5410#comment-33895 Hi everyone! I want to ask two questions: 1. Where can I source a flattop receiver from (EU)? 2. I want to install a retractable stock to my T14 classic. Is it mil.spec, or do I have to buy a SafirArms one? Thanks! Giannis Hi everyone!

I want to ask two questions:

1. Where can I source a flattop receiver from (EU)?

2. I want to install a retractable stock to my T14 classic. Is it mil.spec, or do I have to buy a SafirArms one?

Thanks!

Giannis

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]]> By: matt http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/27/safir-t-14-ati-at-14-shotgun-photos/comment-page-1/#comment-30213 matt Tue, 06 Apr 2010 17:18:53 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5410#comment-30213 i have got one of these and found the same shell problem for the 14rnd mags but the 5 rnders take just about anything i have put into it. on the fireing side of things mine shoots two feet low so i am changing out the reciever to a rail top (instead of the handle top) and i have also sent the barrel into briley and had chokes put into it (mod,full,& xfull) for around $200. i am planning on putting a small halographic site on it to cure the shooting problem of course i will have to cut the front site as it will be in the way but small problem. am going to use this for birds this fall can not wait to get it finished. i have got one of these and found the same shell problem for the 14rnd mags but the 5 rnders take just about anything i have put into it. on the fireing side of things mine shoots two feet low so i am changing out the reciever to a rail top (instead of the handle top) and i have also sent the barrel into briley and had chokes put into it (mod,full,& xfull) for around $200. i am planning on putting a small halographic site on it to cure the shooting problem of course i will have to cut the front site as it will be in the way but small problem. am going to use this for birds this fall can not wait to get it finished.

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]]> By: charlie http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/27/safir-t-14-ati-at-14-shotgun-photos/comment-page-1/#comment-29858 charlie Wed, 31 Mar 2010 08:34:34 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5410#comment-29858 Sorry Alex, no idea, I don't even know if it has been tried. Remember that doing such thigs would invalidate any warranty and could make the weapon illegal as 40SW is not a shotgun caliber.... Cerainly in the UK this would be a big NO and would land you in jail for 5 years if you got caught. UK laws state that if you convert from shotgun to full bore then that is it, converting BACK makes no difference if you are caught. Stupid I know but such is UK gun law! Interesting to hear if it works though although we could not recommend anything that could invalidate the warranty and/or affect the working of the T14 components or breach local /state / federal /national laws etc. Sorry Alex, no idea, I don’t even know if it has been tried.

Remember that doing such thigs would invalidate any warranty and could make the weapon illegal as 40SW is not a shotgun caliber….

Cerainly in the UK this would be a big NO and would land you in jail for 5 years if you got caught. UK laws state that if you convert from shotgun to full bore then that is it, converting BACK makes no difference if you are caught. Stupid I know but such is UK gun law!

Interesting to hear if it works though although we could not recommend anything that could invalidate the warranty and/or affect the working of the T14 components or breach local /state / federal /national laws etc.

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]]> By: Alex http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/27/safir-t-14-ati-at-14-shotgun-photos/comment-page-1/#comment-29853 Alex Wed, 31 Mar 2010 05:30:53 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5410#comment-29853 Charlie hello the lower the safir accepts the uppers in .40 caliber S&W ? Charlie hello
the lower the safir accepts the uppers in .40 caliber S&W ?

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]]> By: charlie http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/27/safir-t-14-ati-at-14-shotgun-photos/comment-page-1/#comment-24670 charlie Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:47:43 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5410#comment-24670 On the handguard there are holes that are open and some of them are closed - the open ones provide sufficient gas escape. You can break the plastic in the closed holes to let the gas escape better, especially if using picatiny or other mounted stuff like optical sights , lasers or flashlights on the gun. It is better to open them all. It does not matter which piece of the handguard is up and down, they are similar. Hope this helps Charlie (Safir) On the handguard there are holes that are open and some of them are closed – the open ones provide sufficient gas escape. You can break the plastic in the closed holes to let the gas escape better, especially if using picatiny or other mounted stuff like optical sights , lasers or flashlights on the gun. It is better to open them all.

It does not matter which piece of the handguard is up and down, they are similar.

Hope this helps

Charlie (Safir)

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]]> By: GillAgin http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/27/safir-t-14-ati-at-14-shotgun-photos/comment-page-1/#comment-24589 GillAgin Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:33:47 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5410#comment-24589 I purchased the T-14 recently and took the forearm area apart to see if I would be able to clean this area. I was able to take it apart, but when I went to reassemble it I noticed one half of the forearm had two of the hole that were not cut through and I was unsure if this piece went on top or bottom and I assumed it went on the bottom to protect ones hand from blowback by the piston or something during the fire sequence. I'm a noob and don't know much about the AR platform or this one, so please forgive me if this question seems obvious. Thanks, John I purchased the T-14 recently and took the forearm area apart to see if I would be able to clean this area. I was able to take it apart, but when I went to reassemble it I noticed one half of the forearm had two of the hole that were not cut through and I was unsure if this piece went on top or bottom and I assumed it went on the bottom to protect ones hand from blowback by the piston or something during the fire sequence.

I’m a noob and don’t know much about the AR platform or this one, so please forgive me if this question seems obvious. Thanks, John

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]]> By: charlie http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/27/safir-t-14-ati-at-14-shotgun-photos/comment-page-1/#comment-23790 charlie Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:05:02 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5410#comment-23790 Derik, can you email me on t14comp@safirdirect.com Charlie Derik,

can you email me on t14comp@safirdirect.com

Charlie

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]]> By: Derik http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/27/safir-t-14-ati-at-14-shotgun-photos/comment-page-1/#comment-23741 Derik Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:47:26 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5410#comment-23741 I got three rounds through the T-14 flat top before the bolt broke. Sheared right in the middle. Returned for a replacement, will try one more. Side note, the markings on the box recommend use of Winchester. I got three rounds through the T-14 flat top before the bolt broke. Sheared right in the middle.

Returned for a replacement, will try one more.

Side note, the markings on the box recommend use of Winchester.

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