Comments on: Safir T-14 / ATI AT-14 shotgun photos

By: M. Northrop

M. Northrop — Sat, 09 May 2009 01:53:32 +0000

I bought one of these a month ago, and returned it to the store within a week.
My first impression was that this light weight AR type rifle/shotgun would make a great hiking gun in black bear country.
I bought it and a few boxes of 2 1/2″ slugs to get it sighted in.
Results:
all but one shell jammed while feeding, the bolt sheared a large chunk out of the bolt catch, and the gas that sprayed back in my face reminded me of my old service rifle in basic training back in 1985 that almost blinded you every shot.
after removing the upper to investigate the problems I found that the lower parts are almost the same quality as my sons cap guns. I doubt they would last for any kind of duty use, as the practice alone would have them turning to mush in a week.
I took the gun back to the shop that I got it from and showed them the condition.
they returned 100% of my purchase price and refunded 100% of the ammo cost including the spent rounds (10 in all). I have been shooting or building AR’s for more than 20 years now and I’m amazed that this particular one shot at all without taking my face off with it.
I pray I got the one lemon you always hear about.

By: 6x6pinz

6x6pinz — Fri, 27 Feb 2009 21:07:58 +0000

I actually purchased a regular 20round AR mag at the last gunshow for this purpose. I am able to install shells into the mag, tight fit for length but doable. The original 223 mag holds the shell in the middle and the shotugn retains them at the base. There is no material at the base so I will have to move the feed lips back and modify/remake a follower.
I have been in contact with the importer and he tells me the 14 round magazines should be in country in April and by then they should have extra 5 round magazines as well. They are also making noise about bringing in the 10 rounders. I will have to see what extra 5 rounders cost to see if it is worth the time to make the needed modifications to the 20round 223 mag, which will only hold 5 410 shells. The curvature of the 30 and 40 round 223 mag is just wrong for the 410 shells to feed properly and most likely would cause lots of problems.
Since most of the AR accessories fit already there is a lot of aftermarket stuff available for the Safir. I am in the process of looking for an adjustable choke system that would look good on it. I really like being able to adjust the choke in the field depending on hunting conditions.

By: jdun1911

jdun1911 — Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:53:38 +0000

The lower isn’t a standard ar15 from the looks of it.

By: Steve

Steve — Fri, 27 Feb 2009 01:12:13 +0000

6×6pinz, I read on the net that regular AR-15 magazines could be modified to take .410 rounds, have you tried this?

By: 6x6pinz

6x6pinz — Fri, 27 Feb 2009 01:07:23 +0000

I have put 1250 rounds through the shotgun, before the pictures were taken. You can just make out some wear marks on the hammer and that is about it. As one would expect it is easy to get on target and amazingly easy to hit clay pidgeons with.
I have talked with the importer and they are expecting the higher capacity mags in by the end of March if not sooner.
I ended up paying $1,000.00 for it shipped which for a specialty AR is about average.
The take down pins were a bit tight. The rest of the gun is very clean with all the parts mating up tightly. You have to remember that while this is new to the US it is not a new model firearm.

By: Fred

Fred — Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:45:28 +0000

So is the lower half the same as a standard AR?

By: tarkan

tarkan — Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:44:55 +0000

http://www.scribd.com/doc/11460565/Safir-T14

By: War Wolf

War Wolf — Thu, 26 Feb 2009 12:55:19 +0000

How is the overall fit & finish? Have you fired it yet? and lastly, what was the price you ended up paying for it? Thanks.

By: Jesse

Jesse — Thu, 26 Feb 2009 12:47:49 +0000

Imagine showing up to shoot skeet with that.