Comments on: S&W Safety Recall: Walther PPK and PPK/s pistols http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/25/sw-safety-recall-walther-ppk-and-ppks-pistols/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:19:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Eric http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/25/sw-safety-recall-walther-ppk-and-ppks-pistols/comment-page-1/#comment-86601 Eric Fri, 10 Feb 2012 01:56:30 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5328#comment-86601 Marco Miller. Keep it! It's a great gun Marco Miller. Keep it! It’s a great gun

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]]> By: Marco miller http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/25/sw-safety-recall-walther-ppk-and-ppks-pistols/comment-page-1/#comment-86537 Marco miller Thu, 09 Feb 2012 15:39:52 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5328#comment-86537 I just purchased a- ppks- i havent fired it yet should i keep it or return it ? I just purchased a- ppks- i havent fired it yet should i keep it or return it ?

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]]> By: Marco http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/25/sw-safety-recall-walther-ppk-and-ppks-pistols/comment-page-1/#comment-86535 Marco Thu, 09 Feb 2012 15:34:11 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5328#comment-86535 I just purchased a- ppks- i havent fired it yet should i keep it or return it ? I just purchased a- ppks- i havent fired it yet should i keep it or return it ?

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]]> By: Ferdinand Ahl http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/25/sw-safety-recall-walther-ppk-and-ppks-pistols/comment-page-1/#comment-52766 Ferdinand Ahl Fri, 14 Jan 2011 14:30:43 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5328#comment-52766 Look close here :) your pistols serial # BAM 7811 the bam sequence included in the recal... BAM 0000-BAM 1320 your pistol was made after the recall. It has the fix... And actually S & W shut down production of PPKs when they announced the recall untill they fixed all the affected pistols. If you still have concerns...e-mail S&W Look close here :)
your pistols serial # BAM 7811
the bam sequence included in the recal… BAM 0000-BAM 1320
your pistol was made after the recall.
It has the fix…
And actually S & W shut down production of PPKs when they announced the recall untill they fixed all the affected pistols.

If you still have concerns…e-mail S&W

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]]> By: ANDY G http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/25/sw-safety-recall-walther-ppk-and-ppks-pistols/comment-page-1/#comment-52720 ANDY G Fri, 14 Jan 2011 03:01:56 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5328#comment-52720 AFTER READING ALL THESE COMMENTS I MY HAVE MADE A BIG MISTAKE, BY BUYING A NEW PPK/S IS THIS GUN READY TO SHOOT OR SHELL I RETURN IT TO THE GUN SHOP?? NUMBER IS 7811BAM, CAME OUT OF S&W JULY OF LAST YEAR. LET ME HEAR FROM SOMEONE. THANKS AFTER READING ALL THESE COMMENTS I MY HAVE MADE A BIG MISTAKE, BY BUYING A NEW PPK/S IS THIS GUN READY TO SHOOT OR SHELL I RETURN IT TO THE GUN SHOP?? NUMBER IS 7811BAM, CAME OUT OF S&W JULY OF LAST YEAR. LET ME HEAR FROM SOMEONE. THANKS

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]]> By: ANDY GEIST http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/25/sw-safety-recall-walther-ppk-and-ppks-pistols/comment-page-1/#comment-52560 ANDY GEIST Tue, 11 Jan 2011 23:00:35 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5328#comment-52560 I JUST DID PURCHASE A NEW WALTER PPK/S-1 AND THE NUMBER IS 7811BAM WHAT DO MUST I DO, RETURN IT TO YOU OR THE DEALER? THANK YOU AND PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF I WILL HAVE TROUBLE WITH THIS MODEL. THANKS I JUST DID PURCHASE A NEW WALTER PPK/S-1 AND THE NUMBER IS 7811BAM WHAT DO MUST I DO, RETURN IT TO YOU OR THE DEALER? THANK YOU AND PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF I WILL HAVE TROUBLE WITH THIS MODEL. THANKS

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]]> By: Chris Lee http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/25/sw-safety-recall-walther-ppk-and-ppks-pistols/comment-page-1/#comment-46381 Chris Lee Fri, 05 Nov 2010 20:10:34 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5328#comment-46381 Bought a PPK a few months ago from a dealer who apparently wasn't aware of a recall(?.) Went out 2 days ago to shoot a clip full, before putting it up for sale It functioned great. Came back to research pricing and discovered the recall situation. Requested the pre-paid label got it the next day and sent it off. Called S&W and was told the turn around would be 4-5 weeks. If and/or when I get it back would David like to buy it or anyone else? Bought a PPK a few months ago from a dealer who apparently wasn’t aware of a recall(?.) Went out 2 days ago to shoot a clip full, before putting it up for sale It functioned great. Came back to research pricing and discovered the recall situation. Requested the pre-paid label got it the next day and sent it off. Called S&W and was told the turn around would be 4-5 weeks. If and/or when I get it back would David like to buy it or anyone else?

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]]> By: TrigerTom http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/25/sw-safety-recall-walther-ppk-and-ppks-pistols/comment-page-1/#comment-17325 TrigerTom Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:43:17 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5328#comment-17325 I have given up trying to get this gun to run. Call anyone give me an address or phone number for Smith & Wessons VP Customer relations? Thanks in addvance Tom I have given up trying to get this gun to run. Call anyone give me an address or phone number for Smith & Wessons VP Customer relations?

Thanks in addvance

Tom

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]]> By: prettypete http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/25/sw-safety-recall-walther-ppk-and-ppks-pistols/comment-page-1/#comment-16184 prettypete Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:25:42 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5328#comment-16184 Aaarghhh, the Walther PPK! I won't deny having had the Bond gun at one time and i admit enjoying it immensely, even in its .32 ACP incarnation and if it counts, a few of the clone in .22 LR. What I can't figure is the absolute irony of S&W making Walther/S&W PPKs. I remember in the 70's when the British recalled their Walther PPs then in service after a sample failed to work at the hands of an agent protecting Princess Ann from a vicious attacker/kidnapper armed with a couple of Astra revolvers (.38 and .22LR-w/c he bought on vacation in Spain and secreted on his carry on and smuggled into the UK via an airliner-those were the days). Heck, even James Bond had had to give up his Walther PP prop. And what did the people at the other side of the pond from Smith and Wesson do to replace their Walthers? They issued Smith and Wesson revolvers(!), or, as they British have a propensity of calling them, Smith-Westons. Aaarghhh, the Walther PPK! I won’t deny having had the Bond gun at one time and i admit enjoying it immensely, even in its .32 ACP incarnation and if it counts, a few of the clone in .22 LR. What I can’t figure is the absolute irony of S&W making Walther/S&W PPKs.
I remember in the 70′s when the British recalled their Walther PPs then in service after a sample failed to work at the hands of an agent protecting Princess Ann from a vicious attacker/kidnapper armed with a couple of Astra revolvers (.38 and .22LR-w/c he bought on vacation in Spain and secreted on his carry on and smuggled into the UK via an airliner-those were the days). Heck, even James Bond had had to give up his Walther PP prop.
And what did the people at the other side of the pond from Smith and Wesson do to replace their Walthers? They issued Smith and Wesson revolvers(!), or, as they British have a propensity of calling them, Smith-Westons.

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]]> By: Henry http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/25/sw-safety-recall-walther-ppk-and-ppks-pistols/comment-page-1/#comment-15571 Henry Mon, 05 Oct 2009 01:51:26 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5328#comment-15571 aThe original PPK/PP/PPKs during the 60s, 70s and 80s untill the tooling wore out where made in France by Manurhin. Every model was manufactured in France after the WWII and shipped to Germany to be assembled and shipped, at one time boxed and shipped from France! Once the machinery wore out,Interarms offered to make the guns using investement castings. Those are the versions with the slightly redish blues. We bought everything that was left at the plant in the mid 80s. I have the last two PPs! My US buddy has the last PP Sport in 22. S & W uses plans and not tooling that were supplied by Whalter. As with other NA suppliers, NA tolerances are not the same as the European specs. I have been witness to this with several European firearm contracts awarded to NA suppliers. The specs that are normal by Euro standards are hard to meet by NA suppliers. As a good example of differences, try a double action trigger pull on an NA PPK/s and then try an European version. There are several pounds of difference as well as the feel! Regards, Henry aThe original PPK/PP/PPKs during the 60s, 70s and 80s untill the tooling wore out where made in France by Manurhin. Every model was manufactured in France after the WWII and shipped to Germany to be assembled and shipped, at one time boxed and shipped from France! Once the machinery wore out,Interarms offered to make the guns using investement castings. Those are the versions with the slightly redish blues. We bought everything that was left at the plant in the mid 80s. I have the last two PPs! My US buddy has the last PP Sport in 22.

S & W uses plans and not tooling that were supplied by Whalter. As with other NA suppliers, NA tolerances are not the same as the European specs. I have been witness to this with several European firearm contracts awarded to NA suppliers. The specs that are normal by Euro standards are hard to meet by NA suppliers.

As a good example of differences, try a double action trigger pull on an NA PPK/s and then try an European version. There are several pounds of difference as well as the feel!

Regards,
Henry

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]]> By: Franklin Hofmeister http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/25/sw-safety-recall-walther-ppk-and-ppks-pistols/comment-page-1/#comment-15408 Franklin Hofmeister Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:21:07 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5328#comment-15408 When you purchase a P38S make sure you have a turniquet handy. It's absolutely the most dangerous weapon I've ever handled. It jams constantly. missfires & turns into a full auto all on it's own. It you already own one do what I did.....send it back to smith & wesson and demand a full refund. Hats off to smith & wesson technicians. When you purchase a P38S make sure you have a turniquet handy. It’s absolutely the most dangerous weapon I’ve ever handled. It jams constantly. missfires & turns into a full auto all on it’s own. It you already own one do what I did…..send it back to smith & wesson and demand a full refund. Hats off to smith & wesson technicians.

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]]> By: James Kissinger http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/25/sw-safety-recall-walther-ppk-and-ppks-pistols/comment-page-1/#comment-14770 James Kissinger Sat, 19 Sep 2009 07:34:58 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5328#comment-14770 good news first 50 name brand target rounds smooth with no hangs,second 50 reloads 1 hang brass felt thick at crimp and left drag marks at ramp base will repolish myself.need sights for tired eyes and got that bite due to lazy grip they all could use crisp edges knocked down. like i said ppk/s was my first and after 38 years I still love the feel and action on this great classic pocket piece. I hope sw gets there act together before they ruin a good guns reputation. do not give up on these guns they are perfect for what they are designed for.try to find a local gunsmith to help it will be worth a little xtra dollars.pray for peace and train to keep it. good news first 50 name brand target rounds smooth with no hangs,second 50 reloads 1 hang brass felt thick at crimp and left drag marks at ramp base will repolish myself.need sights for tired eyes and got that bite due to lazy grip they all could use crisp edges knocked down. like i said ppk/s was my first and after 38 years I still love the feel and action on this great classic pocket piece. I hope sw gets there act together before they ruin a good guns reputation. do not give up on these guns they are perfect for what they are designed for.try to find a local gunsmith to help it will be worth a little xtra dollars.pray for peace and train to keep it.

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]]> By: Jerry http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/25/sw-safety-recall-walther-ppk-and-ppks-pistols/comment-page-1/#comment-14264 Jerry Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:57:18 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5328#comment-14264 My PPK/S was returned the same day I wrote the above message . It took 4 days total for it to get to Houlton,Me with a two day air UPS sticker , but it was picked up on a Friday and the weekend probably caused it to take 4 days instead of 2 . This was a total time for the entire procedure of only 12 days . This was probably due to my having to send it in later than I wanted to , and S&W had 'caught up' with the back log of work . Below is the description of the repair listed on the letter returned with the PPK/S. Characteristic Description Customer Complaint: Decocking Lever Advisory Repaired: Polish Ramp Of BBL. Repaired: Repair Decock Lever System I haven't taken it down to clean but it appears to have been fired many times . The inside of the barrel is very dirty and black . I had never fired the pistol before returning it . It has scratches it didn't have before the return also . It is a stainless model and the scratches show pretty good and some are deep as if beening placed in a vise or compariable holding device .The recall was to replace the trigger block , but it does not apppear to have been replaced and the description above says "REPAIR" not replaced . For the time being I will just have to assume it was repaired . You sill can't find ammo where I live and I don't want to use all I do have . I found this site only recently and may not get any responce to this post.I will look at a later date . For all who have returned their pistol, if any remain who haven't, I hope this information helps you with a satisfactory repair. My PPK/S was returned the same day I wrote the above message . It took 4 days total for it to get to Houlton,Me with a two day air UPS sticker , but it was picked up on a Friday and the weekend probably caused it to take 4 days instead of 2 . This was a total time for the entire procedure of only 12 days . This was probably due to my having to send it in later than I wanted to , and S&W had ‘caught up’ with the back log of work . Below is the description of the repair listed on the letter returned with the PPK/S.
Characteristic Description
Customer Complaint: Decocking Lever Advisory
Repaired: Polish Ramp Of BBL.
Repaired: Repair Decock Lever System

I haven’t taken it down to clean but it appears to have been fired many times . The inside of the barrel is very dirty and black . I had never fired the pistol before returning it . It has scratches it didn’t have before the return also . It is a stainless model and the scratches show pretty good and some are deep as if beening placed in a vise or compariable holding device .The recall was to replace the trigger block , but it does not apppear to have been replaced and the description above says “REPAIR” not replaced . For the time being I will just have to assume it was repaired . You sill can’t find ammo where I live and I don’t want to use all I do have . I found this site only recently and may not get any responce to this post.I will look at a later date . For all who have returned their pistol, if any remain who haven’t, I hope this information helps you with a satisfactory repair.

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]]> By: Jerry http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/25/sw-safety-recall-walther-ppk-and-ppks-pistols/comment-page-1/#comment-14237 Jerry Wed, 09 Sep 2009 15:32:55 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5328#comment-14237 I bought my PPK/S for concealed carry . I carried it for several months until I got a letter from S&W and a UPS mailing label , in April . I was sick for a while and didn't get to return it until Aug . The UPS tracking info. says it was received in Houlton, ME on Sept 1 and signed for by Harrison . I know do not expect it to be repaired for several weeks , however I have tried to contact S&W several times via email and their 800 # , all with the same luck as others have mentioned ,totally ignored . I paid $535.00 plus tax and a $35.00 charge to my dealer because he had to order it . Like Eric said concerning ammo, it is almost impossibe to find ammo where I live in GA . I called to find out if the gunshop had any Keltec .380s and was told they had 2 that morning and sold them early that same day . I asked about .380 ammo and they told me I could get on their waiting list . I had the pistol for months before sending it back and have never fired it . I don't know if it had any problems other then the needed repair or not . Makes me feel kind of foolish carrying a loaded pistol for so long and expecting to be prepaired for any problem and finding out it may have jammed if I had needed to use it . I really like Walthers and like everyone else will have to wait and see if and when they return it . I bought my PPK/S for concealed carry . I carried it for several months until I got a letter from S&W and a UPS mailing label , in April . I was sick for a while and didn’t get to return it until Aug . The UPS tracking info. says it was received in Houlton, ME on Sept 1 and signed for by Harrison . I know do not expect it to be repaired for several weeks , however I have tried to contact S&W several times via email and their 800 # , all with the same luck as others have mentioned ,totally ignored . I paid $535.00 plus tax and a $35.00 charge to my dealer because he had to order it . Like Eric said concerning ammo, it is almost impossibe to find ammo where I live in GA . I called to find out if the gunshop had any Keltec .380s and was told they had 2 that morning and sold them early that same day . I asked about .380 ammo and they told me I could get on their waiting list . I had the pistol for months before sending it back and have never fired it . I don’t know if it had any problems other then the needed repair or not . Makes me feel kind of foolish carrying a loaded pistol for so long and expecting to be prepaired for any problem and finding out it may have jammed if I had needed to use it . I really like Walthers and like everyone else will have to wait and see if and when they return it .

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]]> By: Ray http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/25/sw-safety-recall-walther-ppk-and-ppks-pistols/comment-page-1/#comment-13977 Ray Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:05:13 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5328#comment-13977 Just got one back also and in 15rds, had 2 light primer strikes using Remington ammo. Both fired on the 2nd try. Wonder if the decocker repair included shortening the firing pin? Just got one back also and in 15rds, had 2 light primer strikes using Remington ammo. Both fired on the 2nd try. Wonder if the decocker repair included shortening the firing pin?

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]]> By: James Kissinger http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/25/sw-safety-recall-walther-ppk-and-ppks-pistols/comment-page-1/#comment-13943 James Kissinger Wed, 02 Sep 2009 22:06:48 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5328#comment-13943 will go to range to blow thru 100 rds per comments posted will strip clean and oil first thanks for all the good info will see if it breaks or brakes on load will go to range to blow thru 100 rds per comments posted will strip clean and oil first thanks for all the good info will see if it breaks or brakes on load

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]]> By: James Kissinger http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/25/sw-safety-recall-walther-ppk-and-ppks-pistols/comment-page-1/#comment-13927 James Kissinger Wed, 02 Sep 2009 19:08:56 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5328#comment-13927 in 1970 at 18 my first handgun a walther ppk\s.under the influence of bond movies! great gun never had a problem unless gun was not clean or cheap ammo.sold it 14 years later for $125.00 more then I paid new. 2002 bought one in 1st run and never fired thought it might be worth something.sent in new per recall and 8 weeks it was returned scratched and with a hammer that was unpolished and with way too much side play.new gun was beautiful and tight this looks like someone does not know or care to smith.smith is sending packing for repair(ha ha).Had many pistols and 5 smiths. this is a bummer! my weapon is still my kimber 1911 gold combat always faithful and true.these smiths will not be able to be resold in my state guess where? in 1970 at 18 my first handgun a walther ppk\s.under the influence of bond movies! great gun never had a problem unless gun was not clean or cheap ammo.sold it 14 years later for $125.00 more then I paid new.
2002 bought one in 1st run and never fired thought it might be worth something.sent in new per recall and 8 weeks it was returned scratched and with a hammer that was unpolished and with way too much side play.new gun was beautiful and tight this looks like someone does not know or care to smith.smith is sending packing for repair(ha ha).Had many pistols and 5 smiths. this is a bummer!
my weapon is still my kimber 1911 gold combat always faithful and true.these smiths will not be able to be resold in my state guess where?

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]]> By: roger tackett http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/25/sw-safety-recall-walther-ppk-and-ppks-pistols/comment-page-1/#comment-13887 roger tackett Tue, 01 Sep 2009 14:42:32 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5328#comment-13887 willing to purchase some walthers if you remain dissatisfied.i had a bursa thunder which "broke" after 300 rounds.contact me at tackettroger@aol.com.will give good price,we can discuss the details. willing to purchase some walthers if you remain dissatisfied.i had a bursa thunder which “broke” after 300 rounds.contact me at tackettroger@aol.com.will give good price,we can discuss the details.

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]]> By: Dennis http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/25/sw-safety-recall-walther-ppk-and-ppks-pistols/comment-page-1/#comment-13847 Dennis Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:08:56 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5328#comment-13847 "Every 2 or 3 shots I experience a short primer strike (with a nice indent in the primer), but the round will fire with a second pull of the trigger." I just got mine back as well, it does the same thing. I called S&W and they sent me a another return coupon. Mine also had cracked grips when it came back. I called and they sent me new grips. Now I'm going to send it back, with the old grips, by the way. The hammer spring just seems weak to me. I ran about a box of 3 different ammos and they all had misfire problems. Some of the rounds would not fire at all after multiple attempts. Even the fired rounds had very light primer strike indents. The firing pin spring appears healthy as well as the hammer spring which I removed to examine and then replaced with no change in function. It looks like they have another serious problem on their hands. “Every 2 or 3 shots I experience a short primer strike (with a nice indent in the primer), but the round will fire with a second pull of the trigger.”

I just got mine back as well, it does the same thing. I called S&W and they sent me a another return coupon. Mine also had cracked grips when it came back. I called and they sent me new grips. Now I’m going to send it back, with the old grips, by the way.
The hammer spring just seems weak to me. I ran about a box of 3 different ammos and they all had misfire problems. Some of the rounds would not fire at all after multiple attempts. Even the fired rounds had very light primer strike indents. The firing pin spring appears healthy as well as the hammer spring which I removed to examine and then replaced with no change in function.
It looks like they have another serious problem on their hands.

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]]> By: Bill Z http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/25/sw-safety-recall-walther-ppk-and-ppks-pistols/comment-page-1/#comment-13152 Bill Z Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:06:23 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5328#comment-13152 I loved my PPK before the recall "fix". I finally received my PPK .380 last week from S&W and went to the range last night to check it out. Every 2 or 3 shots I experience a short primer strike (with a nice indent in the primer), but the round will fire with a second pull of the trigger. Is anyone else having this issue or have any recommendations? I loved my PPK before the recall “fix”. I finally received my PPK .380 last week from S&W and went to the range last night to check it out. Every 2 or 3 shots I experience a short primer strike (with a nice indent in the primer), but the round will fire with a second pull of the trigger. Is anyone else having this issue or have any recommendations?

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