Comments on: Ballistic vest designer shoots employees point blank http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/22/ballistic-vest-designer-shoots-employees-point-blank/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:24:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Pat http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/22/ballistic-vest-designer-shoots-employees-point-blank/comment-page-1/#comment-59309 Pat Fri, 01 Apr 2011 17:25:22 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5228#comment-59309 I have shot 4 whitetailed deer in my lifetime, and all of them did, in fact, fall down instantly. They weren't exactly "bowled over", but their legs buckled and they fell on the spot. I will admit that one of them got up and ran a considerable distance afterward. (It was a difficult shot, but that should never be used as an excuse for poor marksmanship, and I still feel bad when I think about that). I shot one with a .30-30, one with a .308, and two with a .270. I'm pretty sure the deer didn't know that they were "supposed" to collapse, but they did. I can only imagine that a human shot in the same manner as these deer should also collapse or "fall down" immediately. Like the deer that got up and ran, I suppose that a human who sustains a less than lethal injury should also have the capacity to flee. I'm fairly sure that an adreniline charged fight or flight response would take some precendence over television indoctrination and the current culture. I have shot 4 whitetailed deer in my lifetime, and all of them did, in fact, fall down instantly. They weren’t exactly “bowled over”, but their legs buckled and they fell on the spot. I will admit that one of them got up and ran a considerable distance afterward. (It was a difficult shot, but that should never be used as an excuse for poor marksmanship, and I still feel bad when I think about that). I shot one with a .30-30, one with a .308, and two with a .270. I’m pretty sure the deer didn’t know that they were “supposed” to collapse, but they did. I can only imagine that a human shot in the same manner as these deer should also collapse or “fall down” immediately. Like the deer that got up and ran, I suppose that a human who sustains a less than lethal injury should also have the capacity to flee. I’m fairly sure that an adreniline charged fight or flight response would take some precendence over television indoctrination and the current culture.

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]]> By: Kevin http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/22/ballistic-vest-designer-shoots-employees-point-blank/comment-page-1/#comment-43086 Kevin Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:46:49 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5228#comment-43086 If it was me, the employees would be shooting the boss, not the other way around. :) Nice blog BTW If it was me, the employees would be shooting the boss, not the other way around. :)
Nice blog BTW

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]]> By: Josh j http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/22/ballistic-vest-designer-shoots-employees-point-blank/comment-page-1/#comment-9723 Josh j Sun, 17 May 2009 20:21:35 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5228#comment-9723 fall down or go flying animals if shot right will fall rather impressively, they will not go flying. energy from a bullet is like nothing else most rounds expand inside a target as displayed in the video. animals don't from non fatal shots because they lack many things we have, tv is not one of them but tv adds to it. when a bullet hits something harder or by some other means tougher than it it disperses energy. personally the video proves nothing but that the dummy really was just that. .38 spec puts out very little energy due to low velocity and weight, the "coat" is also a factor that thing looks quite big, heavy and rather encumbering. for physics buffs a punch or kick from a man can put out a couple hundred lbs of energy across several inches. a strike from either is more than enough to knock over or ever kill most people. fall down or go flying animals if shot right will fall rather impressively, they will not go flying.
energy from a bullet is like nothing else most rounds expand inside a target as displayed in the video.
animals don’t from non fatal shots because they lack many things we have, tv is not one of them but tv adds to it.
when a bullet hits something harder or by some other means tougher than it it disperses energy.
personally the video proves nothing but that the dummy really was just that.
.38 spec puts out very little energy due to low velocity and weight, the “coat” is also a factor that thing looks quite big, heavy and rather encumbering.
for physics buffs a punch or kick from a man can put out a couple hundred lbs of energy across several inches.
a strike from either is more than enough to knock over or ever kill most people.

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]]> By: Bulletproof Vests http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/22/ballistic-vest-designer-shoots-employees-point-blank/comment-page-1/#comment-8994 Bulletproof Vests Tue, 28 Apr 2009 02:11:49 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5228#comment-8994 Yeah, but you can never be too careful in some situations. There are some people that could be targets on a daily basis in which wearing a leather jacket would be much more comfortable and fashionable versus a traditional vest. Just my two cents. Yeah, but you can never be too careful in some situations. There are some people that could be targets on a daily basis in which wearing a leather jacket would be much more comfortable and fashionable versus a traditional vest. Just my two cents.

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]]> By: driftrider http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/22/ballistic-vest-designer-shoots-employees-point-blank/comment-page-1/#comment-7675 driftrider Sun, 22 Mar 2009 02:56:57 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5228#comment-7675 While there is certainly nothing wrong with wearing bullet RESISTANT clothing (there is no such thing as "bulletproof"), only a fool trusts his life solely to personal body armor. After all, I doubt very much that the bad guy that wants to kill you will make sure he aims at your nice, heavy and probably very warm and uncomfortable faux leather jacket and count to three (or two) before he shoots you. I'd say buy the handgun first, learn how to use it, then do your best to make sure the perp takes your bullet before you take one of his. I've worn body armor, and let me tell you this, I seriously doubt that anyone who isn't in a constant state of clear and present danger (i.e. law enforcement, military and high profile VIP types), is going to wear this stuff all day, everyday. Body armor, especially the kind that's worth wearing, is heavy, hot, fairly stiff and uncomfortable. A jacket like the one above would be fine in Minneapolis in January, but would never see the light of day in Dallas from April through October. An XD sub-compact or Walther PPK fits nicely in the pocket of a pair of shorts or under a light untucked shirt or sport coat. Heck, I'd carry my XD service in a fanny pack before I'd wear that beast of a jacket. It'd be lighter, cooler, more confortable and I'd look like less of a dork wearing it. While there is certainly nothing wrong with wearing bullet RESISTANT clothing (there is no such thing as “bulletproof”), only a fool trusts his life solely to personal body armor. After all, I doubt very much that the bad guy that wants to kill you will make sure he aims at your nice, heavy and probably very warm and uncomfortable faux leather jacket and count to three (or two) before he shoots you. I’d say buy the handgun first, learn how to use it, then do your best to make sure the perp takes your bullet before you take one of his. I’ve worn body armor, and let me tell you this, I seriously doubt that anyone who isn’t in a constant state of clear and present danger (i.e. law enforcement, military and high profile VIP types), is going to wear this stuff all day, everyday. Body armor, especially the kind that’s worth wearing, is heavy, hot, fairly stiff and uncomfortable. A jacket like the one above would be fine in Minneapolis in January, but would never see the light of day in Dallas from April through October. An XD sub-compact or Walther PPK fits nicely in the pocket of a pair of shorts or under a light untucked shirt or sport coat. Heck, I’d carry my XD service in a fanny pack before I’d wear that beast of a jacket. It’d be lighter, cooler, more confortable and I’d look like less of a dork wearing it.

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]]> By: Bulletproof Jackets Central http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/22/ballistic-vest-designer-shoots-employees-point-blank/comment-page-1/#comment-7634 Bulletproof Jackets Central Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:48:52 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5228#comment-7634 This is a good illustration of why people who are interested in self defense should consider bulletproof clothing before they go out and buy a hand gun. A hand gun requires the possessor to act in a proficient manor to protect themselves. Bulletproof clothing protects without any action on the wearer's part. This is a good illustration of why people who are interested in self defense should consider bulletproof clothing before they go out and buy a hand gun. A hand gun requires the possessor to act in a proficient manor to protect themselves. Bulletproof clothing protects without any action on the wearer’s part.

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]]> By: Tom H http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/22/ballistic-vest-designer-shoots-employees-point-blank/comment-page-1/#comment-6765 Tom H Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:54:41 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5228#comment-6765 A bullet has less knockdown power than a pitched baseball. The laws of physics dictate that if the bullet was powerful enough to knock down the person being shot, the shooter would also be knocked down. Knockdown power is a myth, glamorized by television and the press. When a 150 pound deer gets shot with a high-powered rifle, they don't fall down because they don't watch television and do not know that they are expected to fall down. They run until blood loss causes their blood pressure to fall below a life-sustaining level and then they fall down and die. Humans would be the same if they did not spend their entire lives watching people get shot and fall down on television. A former FBI firearms instructor who taught me the basics 20 years ago told me (and the rest of the class) that when he wants knockdown power, he gets in his Chevy pickup truck, because nothing that you can carry into a gunfight will knock you down from the force of the projectile. A bullet has less knockdown power than a pitched baseball. The laws of physics dictate that if the bullet was powerful enough to knock down the person being shot, the shooter would also be knocked down. Knockdown power is a myth, glamorized by television and the press. When a 150 pound deer gets shot with a high-powered rifle, they don’t fall down because they don’t watch television and do not know that they are expected to fall down. They run until blood loss causes their blood pressure to fall below a life-sustaining level and then they fall down and die. Humans would be the same if they did not spend their entire lives watching people get shot and fall down on television. A former FBI firearms instructor who taught me the basics 20 years ago told me (and the rest of the class) that when he wants knockdown power, he gets in his Chevy pickup truck, because nothing that you can carry into a gunfight will knock you down from the force of the projectile.

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]]> By: rosignol http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/22/ballistic-vest-designer-shoots-employees-point-blank/comment-page-1/#comment-6750 rosignol Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:23:01 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5228#comment-6750 Demoing a bulletproof vest is one thing, *testing* an unproven design, well, that's something else entirely. ...still, I'm supposed to be impressed by something that can stop .38 special? Do it with a magnum, then I'll be impressed. Demoing a bulletproof vest is one thing, *testing* an unproven design, well, that’s something else entirely.

…still, I’m supposed to be impressed by something that can stop .38 special? Do it with a magnum, then I’ll be impressed.

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]]> By: Don http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/22/ballistic-vest-designer-shoots-employees-point-blank/comment-page-1/#comment-6682 Don Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:49:26 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5228#comment-6682 I'm sure the vests are great, but I don't know... It takes a certain kind of person to demo a bulletproof vest. That certain kind is probably not all there... I’m sure the vests are great, but I don’t know… It takes a certain kind of person to demo a bulletproof vest.

That certain kind is probably not all there…

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]]> By: Daniel E. Watters http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/22/ballistic-vest-designer-shoots-employees-point-blank/comment-page-1/#comment-6678 Daniel E. Watters Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:40:29 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5228#comment-6678 At least when Richard Davis (former president of Second Chance) demonstrated a vest, he shot himself. At least when Richard Davis (former president of Second Chance) demonstrated a vest, he shot himself.

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/22/ballistic-vest-designer-shoots-employees-point-blank/comment-page-1/#comment-6671 Steve Sun, 22 Feb 2009 05:43:04 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5228#comment-6671 Nick, yea, you are right. Thanks. Nick, yea, you are right. Thanks.

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]]> By: Nick http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/22/ballistic-vest-designer-shoots-employees-point-blank/comment-page-1/#comment-6670 Nick Sun, 22 Feb 2009 05:29:18 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5228#comment-6670 I believe it's "Colombian". I believe it’s “Colombian”.

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