Comments on: Clip vs. Magazine http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/21/clip-vs-magazine/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 21:38:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Bosque http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/21/clip-vs-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-43994 Bosque Sun, 03 Oct 2010 19:59:32 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5217#comment-43994 The best statement on this bane discussion re: clip v mag/magazine is as follows: There are two kinds of people in the world. If you're in a foxhole with the first kind and you ask for a clip, you'll get a 5 minute dissertation on what you really need is a magazine. If you're in a foxhole witht eh second kind, he'll hand you some ammunition. The best statement on this bane discussion re: clip v mag/magazine is as follows:

There are two kinds of people in the world. If you’re in a foxhole with the first kind and you ask for a clip, you’ll get a 5 minute dissertation on what you really need is a magazine. If you’re in a foxhole witht eh second kind, he’ll hand you some ammunition.

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]]> By: PlasmaFox http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/21/clip-vs-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-9144 PlasmaFox Sun, 03 May 2009 07:43:58 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5217#comment-9144 Oh, hey, that's my AR-15 that I posted to the AR-15 forums. I feel jealous now that my gun is more famous than I am. Oh, hey, that’s my AR-15 that I posted to the AR-15 forums. I feel jealous now that my gun is more famous than I am.

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]]> By: Canthros http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/21/clip-vs-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-8806 Canthros Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:47:48 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5217#comment-8806 I was thinking about this the other day, and I suspect that the distinction is that a magazine, once loaded, contains all the necessary parts to feed ammunition to the gun to which the magazine belongs. That may or may not include things like a follower, spring or feed lips, depending, I guess, on the design of the rifle. E.g. the en-bloc clips used by the M-1 Garand have feed lips, but no way to present additional rounds to the bolt without the follower found in the rifle's magazine. Once the clip is loaded into the rifle's magazine, however, the feed lips keep the excess rounds from being shoved out by the follower, and the follower ensures that the next round will be presented to the bolt and extractor once the current round is ejected. I was thinking about this the other day, and I suspect that the distinction is that a magazine, once loaded, contains all the necessary parts to feed ammunition to the gun to which the magazine belongs. That may or may not include things like a follower, spring or feed lips, depending, I guess, on the design of the rifle.

E.g. the en-bloc clips used by the M-1 Garand have feed lips, but no way to present additional rounds to the bolt without the follower found in the rifle’s magazine. Once the clip is loaded into the rifle’s magazine, however, the feed lips keep the excess rounds from being shoved out by the follower, and the follower ensures that the next round will be presented to the bolt and extractor once the current round is ejected.

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]]> By: Kevan http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/21/clip-vs-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-7524 Kevan Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:05:40 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5217#comment-7524 When I'm teaching classes, I always describe it this way: "Clips load magazines, Magazines load guns." When I’m teaching classes, I always describe it this way:

“Clips load magazines, Magazines load guns.”

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]]> By: P http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/21/clip-vs-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-6844 P Thu, 26 Feb 2009 05:02:36 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5217#comment-6844 then why does Savage and Remington as late as just a couple of years ago refer to their .22 rifles that use a box appendage to hold ready ammunition as Clip Fed. Its semantics. Plain and simple. I have US government packaging for 1911 magazines, which refers to Clips, ammunition, type 1911a1. caliber .45 It was never an issue until the internet and typewriter experts started to have a coniption. re springs, I have springfield stripper clips that have leaf springs for holding the ammunition in place. The Bofors magazine rack was purely gravity fed. then why does Savage and Remington as late as just a couple of years ago refer to their .22 rifles that use a box appendage to hold ready ammunition as Clip Fed.

Its semantics. Plain and simple.

I have US government packaging for 1911 magazines, which refers to Clips, ammunition, type 1911a1. caliber .45

It was never an issue until the internet and typewriter experts started to have a coniption.

re springs, I have springfield stripper clips that have leaf springs for holding the ammunition in place. The Bofors magazine rack was purely gravity fed.

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]]> By: Dan http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/21/clip-vs-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-6740 Dan Tue, 24 Feb 2009 03:27:18 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5217#comment-6740 So, am I wrong to only see the humor in the picture? ;) So, am I wrong to only see the humor in the picture? ;)

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]]> By: TheGunGeek http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/21/clip-vs-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-6719 TheGunGeek Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:48:47 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5217#comment-6719 "People commonly say the difference is that magazines have springs while clips do not. That is also not correct. In the past magazine have been made that are gravity fed and contain no spring." Another way in which that is not technically correct is that some stripper clips do have a spring. It's a leaf spring that applies pressure on the base of the cartridge in order to prevent them from just sliding out on their own. Probably the most likely one people reading this have seen is if they've loaded an M16 magazine using a military stripper clip. “People commonly say the difference is that magazines have springs while clips do not. That is also not correct. In the past magazine have been made that are gravity fed and contain no spring.”

Another way in which that is not technically correct is that some stripper clips do have a spring. It’s a leaf spring that applies pressure on the base of the cartridge in order to prevent them from just sliding out on their own.

Probably the most likely one people reading this have seen is if they’ve loaded an M16 magazine using a military stripper clip.

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]]> By: Canthros http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/21/clip-vs-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-6717 Canthros Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:33:39 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5217#comment-6717 22lr, moon clips are probably analogous to en bloc clips. 22lr, moon clips are probably analogous to en bloc clips.

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]]> By: 22lr http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/21/clip-vs-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-6694 22lr Mon, 23 Feb 2009 00:58:40 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5217#comment-6694 How do revolver moon clips fit into the picture? How do revolver moon clips fit into the picture?

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]]> By: Redfezwriter http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/21/clip-vs-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-6660 Redfezwriter Sun, 22 Feb 2009 03:38:39 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5217#comment-6660 A good friend and 'high speed' Boston area law enforcement friend and I had this very conversation when I was qualifying on the M-4. I, unlike many, never interchanged the two 'clip' or 'magazine' in my work as a journalist. I knew Garands worked on 'clips,' I knew that 'stripper clips' were not the same and I knew that magazines were entirely different. He appreciated that a writer knew the lingo and differences. But in his profession it was vitally important. 'Sarge' told me of court cases lost because of his fellow officers couldn't properly explain the components of their service weapon. As he simply put it, when a cop is asked by an attorney about his weapon and replies 'clip' instead of magazine, that gives a savvy attorney room to pounce. If you cannot properly ID your weapon, then how sure can we be that you know how to properly maintain or employ it in the line of duty? Clip and magazine, big differences to smart cops. A good friend and ‘high speed’ Boston area law enforcement friend and I had this very conversation when I was qualifying on the M-4.

I, unlike many, never interchanged the two ‘clip’ or ‘magazine’ in my work as a journalist. I knew Garands worked on ‘clips,’ I knew that ‘stripper clips’ were not the same and I knew that magazines were entirely different.

He appreciated that a writer knew the lingo and differences. But in his profession it was vitally important.

‘Sarge’ told me of court cases lost because of his fellow officers couldn’t properly explain the components of their service weapon. As he simply put it, when a cop is asked by an attorney about his weapon and replies ‘clip’ instead of magazine, that gives a savvy attorney room to pounce. If you cannot properly ID your weapon, then how sure can we be that you know how to properly maintain or employ it in the line of duty?

Clip and magazine, big differences to smart cops.

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/21/clip-vs-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-6658 Steve Sun, 22 Feb 2009 01:07:04 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5217#comment-6658 I have updated it slightly. People commonly say the difference is that magazines have springs while clips do not. That is also not correct. In the past magazine have been made that are gravity fed and contain no spring. I have updated it slightly. People commonly say the difference is that magazines have springs while clips do not. That is also not correct. In the past magazine have been made that are gravity fed and contain no spring.

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]]> By: Tod http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/21/clip-vs-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-6657 Tod Sun, 22 Feb 2009 00:45:48 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5217#comment-6657 root man, I know that. It does not appear that Steve does, since he said "clips are used to hold cartridges together for quick loading, magazines are used to feed cartridges into the guns’ chamber" which is not a correct definition. root man, I know that. It does not appear that Steve does, since he said “clips are used to hold cartridges together for quick loading, magazines are used to feed cartridges into the guns’ chamber” which is not a correct definition.

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/21/clip-vs-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-6656 Steve Sat, 21 Feb 2009 23:42:17 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5217#comment-6656 it is like calling a tire, a wheel. Sure in the context I know what you are mean, but that does not make it correct. it is like calling a tire, a wheel. Sure in the context I know what you are mean, but that does not make it correct.

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]]> By: root man http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/21/clip-vs-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-6655 root man Sat, 21 Feb 2009 23:39:01 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5217#comment-6655 Dumb story. The generic term "clip" is understood by most humans depending on the context. When I put a clip in my ar I am aware it is not a stripper clip, an en-bloc clip or a moon clip. It is a magazine. I understand that because the weapon does not take any of those "clips". Tod it is an en-bloc clip. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_(ammunition) Dumb story.
The generic term “clip” is understood by most humans depending on the context.
When I put a clip in my ar I am aware it is not a stripper clip, an en-bloc clip or a moon clip. It is a magazine. I understand that because the weapon does not take any of those “clips”.
Tod it is an en-bloc clip.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_(ammunition)

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]]> By: Tod http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/21/clip-vs-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-6646 Tod Sat, 21 Feb 2009 19:25:14 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5217#comment-6646 What about a clip fed Garand which feeds rounds from a clip into the chamber? What about a clip fed Garand which feeds rounds from a clip into the chamber?

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]]> By: Valhalla http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/21/clip-vs-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-6641 Valhalla Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:26:02 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=5217#comment-6641 I love those 'motivational' posters... What would it do to the AR-15? I love those ‘motivational’ posters…

What would it do to the AR-15?

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