It IS possible to headspace properly, and even more precisely through use of a proprietary bolt & barrel extension rather than having a rimmed case.

Thanks for the excellent idea! That merits exploration for a future prototype.

Question: I understand that this gun is ammo sensitive, ie it won’t shoot and cycle just any .410 2 1/2 inch shotshell. What will it shoot well?

A customer service rep. at ATI told me that I could use any roll-crimp (not star crimp) 2 1/2 inch shotshell and it should work fine. Well, not quite …

I bought a box of roll-crimped Federal Premium .410 2 1/2 inch buckshot (4 pellets – 000 buck) and they are too long to fit in the magazine (but only by less than 1/16 inch). The box specifies “.410 HANDGUN” (eg Taurus Judge), so that alone may account for the incompatibility.

Comment: With the set up described above the bolt would not lock in the open position unless I really yanked back on the charge handle. The guy at the gun store from whom I purchased the AT-14 had told me that the gun didn’t lock open, because it was designed to accomodate the .410 shotshells. I’m now pretty sure that is incorrect.

Instead, the problem turned out to be caused by the Magpul stock. I guess the travel was not great enough for the bolt spring internal to the stock. I switched to a more vanilla stock (ACE LTD) and the problem disappeared. A gentle pull on the charge handle while holding down the bolt catch is now all that is necessary to lock open the bolt.

I have not had the issues with the AT 14 that some have had. It shoots very well even using the higher cap magazines. I still find the AT14 in need of some chokes so I can use it effectively for hunting birds.

The Saiga 12 gauge works great too and can handle different length shells in the same 12 round magazine. 2″, 2.5″, 2.75″ and 3″. That’s a lot of flexibility in what type of shell you need.

Good luck if you choose to pursue it, just seemed more cost effective to buy the ones already out there with higher capacity.

SafirArms Ltd.Co.

So, yes it does have power of a .357 Magnum.

or you could carry an M1 carbine in .30 carbine. 110gr bullet, 600fps, 880ft/lbs. 15 or 30 shot magazines.

or a Carbine Conversion Unit for a 1911
230gr bullet, 830fps, 352ft/lbs (out of a 5″ barrel so speed and energy would be higher) 7,8,10, or 15 round magazines.

or .44 magnum out of a Ruger 99/44 Deerfield carbine….

or an M4 .223 AR-15 with rifle rounds!

I question the use of a rifle (minimum length 26 inches, usually longer) for the tight confines of home defense. I’ve seen TV shows and read articles that talk about home defense with a rifle, so there are those that support it.

Manzahn
Try a different brand of ammo. Also make sure the Safir is clean and well lubricated. While the AK platform will work under any condition the AR platform needs to be clean and well lubricated. If you continue to have problems after this contact ATI. They support there other products very well and I would expect the same with the Safir.

What length shells can it accept and how reliable is it? The Saiga fires 3” shells but there is a special magazine that allows for 2.5” rounds to be fired properly. I use the Winchester 3” 000 Bucks as well as the Silver Bear zinc powdered metal shell sabots.

Thanks.

Boxer primers have a self contained anvil and the primer pocket in the case has a single flash hole. Just about every cartridge produced in the USA uses a Boxer primer as they make it extremely easy to deprime and reprime a cartridge case.

It’s Berdan primers that feature the anvil machined (stamped) into the primer pocket and multiple flash holes. Berdan primers are heavily favored in Europe where civilian reloading is nearly unheard of. While you can reload Berdan cases it is a very laborous procedure an the primers themselves are nearly impossible to find in America.

The irony of it all is that the Boxer primer so popular in the US was invented by an Englishman named Edward Boxer (of course) while the Berdan primer which is rarely encountered in US produced ammunition had been developed a few years earlier by Colonel Hiram Berdan, famous for his “Berdan’s Sharpshooters” of the War Between The States, who was an American.

We are working very hard with the assistance of our friendly colleagues in ATI to bring more of our T-14 shotguns to the States. We are also growing our export base in Europe, Latin America and several other countries around the world. As a small company heavily relying on R&D
we are also working on grooved and rifled models to present to our customers in the near future.

We shall be very happy to hear your opinions and use them as part of our customer feed back.

Kamil Arıkut
Foreign Trade Director
Safir Arms Industries

now I just need magazines that will hold some ammo