Safir Arms LLC located in New Jersey is a subsidiary of Safir Arms Turkey. The company is established with its own distribution systems and warranty replacements. The manufacturing operation is like to take a few more months. We have begun importing from our parent company in Turkey and have stock on our guns. The gun has been improved and perfected for US market.

A two years warranty on parts and labor will be provided on all new purchases. We will provide free repairs for the life of the weapon, charging only for the replaced parts beyond 2 years warranty period.

All the existing owners of T-14s are welcomed to discuss their repair issues with us to provide them free of charge repair and one time free parts replacement. Contact me at email address safirarmsUSA@safirarms.com describing the nature of problem and the spare parts required. We will have our repair facility fully operational by next 3-4 weeks and undertake the repairs of your weapons on first come first serve basis.

T-14 Classic and T-14 Compact are in Stock with us. We expect to have uppers in stock by another 02 weeks. Apart from guns, we will carry a full inventory of accessories and parts, like collapsible stock, 5, 10 and 13 round Magazines etc. please register at http://www.tactical.desktopmarket.com to keep you updated.

We want to make your experience a fun with our brand of guns and will make sure that your weapon stays serviceable at all times.

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I got your message in Hotmail today. I see that you have problem in getting the Magazine. I don’t know what was your discussion and terms with ATI. ATI is no more distributors of Safir Arms. I have mentioned on this blog that Safir Arms is setting up their own distribution system and manufacturing facility in NJ. The application is under process for import of Parts and Guns.

As per new ATF ruling in January this year, the Guns are only importable with 5 Round Magazine. We are importing 5 Round Magazines. 10 and 13 round are not allowed for Import by ATF. As and when we set up our manufacturing facility in NJ, we will be able to supply US made magazines. However, for now, only 5 round magazines will be available as soon as application is approved.

In your post above you mentioned you contacted Safir Arms about it as well. Could you share with me who did you contact in Safir arms? our policy is to respond back to customer within 2-3 hours.

I hope I have clarified the situation. Please open an account at our e commerce website http://www.tactical.desktopmarket.com and I will keep you informed of the inventory situation.

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Well, still waiting for the official realease of my T14, but since I got hold of a 410 bore Steven 39A bolt action rifle very cheap I tested the RIO Buckshot 00 that I had bought earlier. Unexploded, the shell measures exactly 58 mm…Exploded, the shell measures 63 mm.

I also experimented with a box of Winchester Super X 410 – 1/2 ounces, #4 shot. Unexploded, the shell measures exactly 59.5 mm…Exploded, the shell measures 65 mm.

Both cartridges fit the extra magazine (that’s the only thing they gave me for the mean time). I would imagine that both cartridges should work with the T14, right ? If there is a difference between the european and the US T14 models, I was told that I would be getting the european model.

Appreciate your comments,

Al

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As soon as I can get my hands on my new T14, I’ll try the RIO ammo and see if it works or not. I wish I could buy slugs but there’s no way I can find that shot around here. Best found was 000.

Any comments Mehmet..?

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I measured the length of the entire cartridge and it measures just a bit less than 2.3 in. Why is it that you say that no RIO ammo will work with the T14 since the RIO ammo that I have measures 2.3 in. and you say that any ammo that measures 2.3 will work ?

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The paragraph should have read;

Fact: depending upon brand, a .410 slug will weigh between 88 and 114 grains.
The best accuracy claim I’ve ever heard of for the .410 slug is the Brenneke claim of 2″ at 50 yards. (The Brenneke has an attached base wad so it has a slightly better ballistic coefficient than the typical hollow base foster slug.) 2″ @ 50yds… At 100 yards, that would be 4 MOA, AT BEST. More like 6″-8″ realistically. Care to extrapolate that to 300 yards? You’d be shooting patterns, not groups.

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Mehmet,

ROFLMAO!!!
It’s not about my shooting skills “Pal”, it’s about your exaggerated marketing “skills”.

I have a few questions and comments about your last post.

First of all just what is a “10inch MOA at 50 yards”?
- If you mean a 10 inch group at 50 yards, then hitting anything smaller than a tobacco barn will be impossible at 300 meters. You do realize that 300 meters is over 6.5 times farther than 50 yards don’t you?
- And if you mean one half inch (which is what a Minute Of Angle would be at 50 yards) then I’m calling BS. There is NO .410 slug load on the planet that will hold a group that small from a smooth bore barrel. The sectional density and ballistic coefficient of the .410 shotgun slug just ain’t good enough for that.
Fact: depending upon brand, a .410 slug will weigh between 88 and 114 grains.
The best accuracy claim I’ve ever heard of for the .410 slug is the Brenneke claim of 2″ at 50 yards. (The Brenneke has an attached base wad so it has a slightly better ballistic coefficient than the typical hollow base foster slug.) 2″ @ 50yds… that would be 4 MOA, AT BEST. More like 6″-8″ realistically. Care to extrapolate that to 300 yards? You’d be shooting patterns, not groups.

I believe the consensus among experienced US deer hunters is that the .410 slug, in the hands of an expert, CAN kill a 125 pound deer at 50-60 yards at best. The accuracy/power simply isn’t there for humane kills any further no matter what sighting system you use.

More pertinent information from Winchester;
Velocity Energy Trajectory
Muzzle 1830 fps 651 ft/lbs n/a
50 yards 1318 fps 338 ft/lbs 0.0″
100 yards 1025 fps 204 ft/lbs -5.8″
125 yards 946 fps 174 ft/lbs -12.0″

That’s an entire foot at 125 yards. Care to guess how much it will drop at 300 meters? (Hint: it’ll be easier to measure it in yards.)
And we haven’t even touched on wind drift. Any idea how wind affects a 100 grain bullet?

By the way care to guess what other Winchester cartridges have similar ballistics?
At 50 yards = .380 ACP 95 grain FMJ 865 fps 160 ft/lbs
At 50 yards = .38 Special 130 grain FMJ 765 fps 169 ft/lbs
At 50 yards = 9mm Makarov 95 grain FMJ 925 fps 180 ft/lbs
Are you saying that any of these would be considered good enough for Bear or Boar at 50 yards? I mean, since they are in the same energy range as the .410 slug at 125 yards why not?
Or how about the lowly .38 S&W it has a muzzle velocity of 685 fps that equates to 150 ft/lbs. Based on your exploits that means the old Owl Heads and Lemon Squeezers would be good enough to thwart bear attacks.

So… Are you really trying to tell us that you have killed a BEAR at 100 meters with a .410 SLUG? How many times did you hit it? What was it, a Beanie Baby? Let me rephrase, you’re telling us you’ve killed an honest to gosh, honey eating, picnic basket ravaging BRUIN at a range of 109 yards with a bullet weighing less than 115 grains, with ONE SHOT? Is that really the story you want to stick with? At 100 meters, that less than 1000 fps, 90 to 115 grain .410 slug just doesn’t have the power needed for proper penetration. And while I don’t know about hunting in Turkey, over here, hunting a bear with a .410 is not what we would consider good sportsmanship. By the by, I live in the Pacific Northwest and I know a thing or two about Bears.

But I know even more about ballistics. Internal, external AND terminal. And believe me when I say that the science of ballistics is EXACTLY the same in Turkey as it is in the good old USA. You see, when it comes to ballistics and bullspit, ballistics wins every time.

Now about those boars…
BOARS? You mean full grown, snort, snort, tusk bearing boars? Or do you mean oink-oink piglets? And even if it was standing still, simply hitting a boar at 300 meters is nigh on to IMPOSSIBLE with any .410 shot gun. I don’t care how well it’s crafted. You’d need a grenade launching sight to lob them anywhere close. And yet you say HUNDREDS killed? How many thousands did you wound and how many millions did you miss?

And again I say that if you are going to make a shotgun chambered in 2.5″ .410 then it should be able to handle ANY & ALL SAAMI/CIP specification 2.5″ .410 shells. Not just some. For example the Saiga shotguns I have fired (both 12 gauge and .410 bore) will run with any 2.75″ (12ga) or 2.5″ (.410) shells you feed them.

I tell you what Mehmet, YOU come over here and stand 300 meters away from me and I will LET you shoot at me with .410 slugs.

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In certain parts of the world, where folks cannot own a real AR rifle, this toy may get them all hot and sweaty and while they may be willing to tolerate its idiocentricities we here in the gold ol’ USA won’t settle for an AR that only works with some select few brands/loadings of ammo.

Look at the Saiga. It will work, and work well, with any load (that will fit inside its chamber) that you feed it.

And originally I was even going to let pass that idiotic 300 meter accuracy claim. Which is simply poppycock.

No smoothbore small arm, firing conventional ammunition, can claim to be “extremely accurate up to 300 meters” unless you totally redefine accuracy. Hell’s Belles, even if it had a rifled barrel, which it doesn’t, the .410 slug simply just doesn’t possess that kind of accuracy. The ballistic coefficient just isn’t there.

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The shotgun shell standard to be used for T 14 shotguns are 36 calibre x 65 mms. for Europe and .410 calibre x 65 mms for America. The length of the shotgun shell should be between 57 to 60.5 mms.(For American model guns 5.7 cm.s, for European style guns 6.05 cm.s) unexploded(closed) and maximum 65 mms. Exploded (closed).

The shells can be filled with slugs, birdshots or buckshots. They all work well with T 14.

For American models of the gun we recommend Federal # 6, Estate #8, Remington #4 Long Range, #6 Long Range, #6 Field and 1/5 oz Slugs. No Winchester 2.5” ammo will fit, nor will Remington #9.

For our European models certain shotgun shell model and makes like Remington Express (England), Remington Kleinbore (Germany), Vieri (French), Fiocchi, RC and Luxor (Italy) fit well and can be used.

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.410 gun T 14 is designed to be used with every kind of ammo, birdshots, buckshots or slugs. Mainly the manufacturer recommend slugs. Because the gun has a powerful gas system that no other shotgun has and also is extremely accurate up to 300 meters.

The shotgun shell standard to be used for T 14 shotguns are 36 calibre x 65 mms. for Europe and .410 calibre x 65 mms for America. The length of the shotgun shell should be between 57 to 60.5 mms.(For American model guns 5.7 cm.s, for European style guns 6.05 cm.s) unexploded(closed) and maximum 65 mms. Exploded (closed).

The shells can be filled with slugs, birdshots or buckshots. They all work well with T 14.

For American models of the gun we recommend Federal # 6, Estate #8, Remington #4 Long Range, #6 Long Range, #6 Field and 1/5 oz Slugs. No Winchester 2.5” ammo will fit, nor will Remington #9.

For our European models certain shotgun shell model and makes like Remington Express (England), Remington Kleinbore (Germany), Vieri (French), Fiocchi, RC and Luxor (Italy) fit well and can be used.

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I ordered my Safir T14 and now I am concerned with the ammo issue. Here in the Republic of Panama we usually get Winchester or Remington ammo. Don´t know which version of the T14 we will get from Safir Arms, the american or the european ? Is there any difference in the manufacturing and/or the end product ?

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