Police find homemade submachine gun

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About two weeks ago the police in Winnipeg, Canada, confiscated a a bunch of saw off shotguns, ammo and a unidentified submachine gun that is reported to be homemade.

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Full photo at The Winnipeg Sun

The Winnipeg Sun reports:

Possibly homemade, the submachine-gun and five sawed-off shotguns, along with ammunition, were seized at a house in the 400-block of Manitoba Avenue on Jan. 7, police said.

Three males, aged 17, 27 and 28, are facing almost 120 charges.

If it is homemade whoever made it did a very good job. Either it is homemade or of a pre-1950ish design. Note that it has a non-telescoping bolt resulting in a long receiver.

At first I thought it may be an MP-40, but it is not. Can anyone here identify it? Please provide a link to a photo in the comments if you can.

Regular readers know that I have fascination with homemade guns :)

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  • Lori

    http://www.mtm-mfg.com/MTM_title2.html

    Reminds me of Chinese AK-47 (3rd set) but not sure

  • Shane

    It looks to me like the bastard child of a Smith & Wesson Model 76 (http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg85-e.htm) and the “Expedient Homemade Firearm” (http://www.thehomegunsmith.com/).

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com Steve

      Shane, it does look similar to the Model 76.

  • http://defense-and-freedom.blogspot.com/2007/09/about-myself.html Sven Ortmann

    I’ve seen DiY manuals for submachine guns. It’s probably related to one of these.

  • Fred

    Aren’t there no barrel length restrictions on shotguns up there? So really just scare tactics from the media on that one, just calling them shotguns isn’t scary enough.

    Neat looking machine gun though, looks like an M16A1 style pistol grip.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com Steve

      Fred, have a look at the photo, they are most defiantly shawn off shotguns – barrels sawed off and stocks converted to pistol grips.

  • Erik Ordway

    Looks like a sten with a rotated magazine port. Some of the sites for converting a sten parts kit to semi auto talk about how to do this.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com Steve

      Erik, interesting, I dismissed the sten because of the magazine.

  • Larry Hopkins

    Looks a little like a Vigneron (Belgian?).

  • Fred

    I didn’t doubt they were sawn off, but as far as I knew there was nothing illegal about that in Canada is all.

  • http://smcfirearms.com Gregory Markle

    My first impression was that it is VERY similar to the Swedish K/Smith 76/MK 760 line of subguns…it lacks the folding stock and relatively vertical rear grip of those weapons and the square trigger guard is not found on them either.

  • http://www.misterzig.com misterzig

    Holy crap! I live in winnipeg, and I’m an avid firearm enthusiast… and I didn’t even hear about that! Crazy weird to read about something like this in your own city on a firearm blog! hehe – Been visiting your blog for a while! LOVE IT! Probably my most visited bookmark!

  • Kyle Huff

    Canadian firearms law re: shortening barrels
    It is illegal to shorten a firearm barrel to below 16 inches.
    However, if it comes from the factory with a shorter barrel, that is OK.
    Overall length of a shotgun or rifle must be at least 26 inches. It is illegal to shorten the weapon below that limit.

    It doesn’t have to make sense, it’s the law.

    They sell 14″ shotguns here, but the stock and receiver have to make up the other 12 inches. Cutting down the stock makes it too short and therefore illegal. Swapping rifle stock for a folding or pistol grip stock would also be illegal if the overall length drops below 26″.

    Amazing how cutting an inch off the wooden part can draw a 10 year sentence.

  • Kyle Huff

    In any case, I doubt it is homemade as the gangs in Winnipeg don’t have much trouble getting proper firearms. The SMG shown may be a re-activated firearm that was imported as de-activated (and therefore beyond the scope of our firearms laws) from some ancient surplus lot.

  • jdun1911

    It probably took the guy less then $50 to build that thing. The most expensive part is the cheap barrel.

    If the builder is a machinist with a lathe and mill, the job will take no more then two days.

    Good workmanship tho. He/she should be proud.

  • http://www.woodsmonkey.com Tim

    looks homemade to me, although a good job of it. As was mentioned, it looks like some of the designs in the improvised weapons books. Not the M16A1/AR-15 pistol grip being used too.

    Different than a Sten too. Even the vertical mag models that were tested and the German MP-3008 that copied them.

    http://www.sksboards.com/sksinfo/sten1.jpg

    http://www.dreadgazebo.com/gunporn/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/mp3008.jpg

    http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/9282/mp3008submachinegunwoodjf5.jpg

  • Andrew

    It looks like the bastard child of a Sten, M16, Mp40, and a Grease Gun all rolled into one… I like it.

  • Scott

    It is most definitely a cross of a S&W 76 and Danish Madsen SMG.
    Has the receiver of the Smith and Wesson but everything else is Madsen.

    http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg60-e.htm

  • J.J.

    It look like this old sub. Made in Spain in 1.940 more or less. Parinco…

    /home/usuario/Desktop/Subfusil Parinco Spain.jpg

  • http://officeofstrategicinfluence.com jm

    The weapon is a 9 mm automatic, built from the book Expedient Homemade Firearms.

    As in, that’s the exact template he used. It’s a 9 mm sub machine gun

  • daredevil 337

    its a BSP-SMG. a fairly good idea gun that cost no more than 200 dollars to make relatively well. you can find full auto designs , which are are for educational purpose only, for about 12$ and some times free. also you can find free designs for a semi auto version which, if you live in America, you can build legally, just don’t ever sell it as it will then be a commercial fire arm and subject to large taxes and regulation, but don’t take my word alone, for the home built gun part ask a local ATF or BAFTA for documentation of the fire arm as that could help if it is ever stolen and used in a crime, and always get what they say in writing as they cover their tracks well.
    no i have never made a gun nor do i own a copy of the designs, you need to find a site that sells them to get the design and all the measurements are in British pluming so good luck to any one who doesn’t understand metric.

  • daredevil 337

    found the site, its http://www.thehomegunsmith.com. so yeah its not that hard to make from what i can tell form the free schematic. however, that site is for educational purposes only so don’t go there with this idea that you can just go out and start mass production of fire arms from it.

  • crapsworth

    kind of looks like the SGN-9 in shotgun news a while back…

  • V.I.P.

    it is a ZAGI M91 from Cortia. It spent a hour looking for this gun.

    my computer will not let me do this, but plz go to google images and type up Zagi M91.

    Zagi M91!!!!!!

  • V.I.P.

    oh yeah, do not look up on wikipedia bacuse i did and it said not found

  • V.I.P.

    i dont think it is homemade because the homemade ones look more simple and messy, and has little paint on it

  • earth

    greasegun

  • from winnipeg

    it was made by a local anarchist in winnipeg, he was making guns at home and distributing the about….., police i recall held him but didnt have enough evidence. apparently he bade the guns from ar15 and sten gun parts and machined the other parts on a mill… isnt known how many he produced

  • frank

    This is a BSP semi-auto SMG 9mm, a homemade gun you can do yourself with some pipes.

    You can find the how-to guide on scribd, at http://www.scribd.com/doc/16108331/BSP-SMG-9mm-full-book . Some places they says it works, some others says it’s just a prototype. For myself, if the ball is shoted and the gun break, you’re in very deep shit cauz you can be seriously injured.

  • Big Mike

    Lower receiver looks like a Tippman .68 paintball gun. The upper looks like a,”grease gun”, M3, mag well also. I’m a machinist, it could happen!? Maybe.

  • spudfiles

    I stumbled on this blog recently and it’s a most enjoyable read, kudos.

    Given your fascination with homemade guns might I recommend a visit to this forum: http://www.spudfiles.com/forums/

    All homemade, no powder burners but pneumatic and gas powered, all homemade and some remarkable examples in the showcase section.

  • http://Google Mark

    Looks like a Portugese FBP 9mm Sub Machine Gun. Pistol Grip has been altered. They first appeared in 1948 & is fired by an open bolt.

  • jcam

    it looks like an old M3 machine gun, you know the grease gun from WW2

  • Sam

    I too thought it looked a lot like an old MP-40 from the WW2 era.
    It looks a bit similar to an Belgian 9mm SMG, but I’d think there are too many differences there.

    I believe it is actually the prototype BSP 9mm SMG, I had made one of these years ago. It and my other guns, bought and homemade, are locked in a gun safe that hasn’t been opened in so long.

    There are plans for building them all over the internet, and they’re relatively easy to put together.

    Here is a plan for it on Scribd.com, there are pictures close to the bottom of the document shown.

    I think they look very much alike, but there are a few noticeable differences. Possibly due to it being handmade and homemade.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/6118520/expedient-homemade-firearms-bsp-9mm-smg-p

  • Mikey

    Fred: I suggest you look into the barrel length restrictions for shotguns in Canada a little more. You can have any length of barrel legally, as long as you bought it that way. It cannot be cut shorter than 18″ if you’re doing it yourself. Also the overall length must stay above 26″ or you enter a whole grey area that could lead to your shotgun being classified as prohibited.

  • strapmonkey

    It is indeed a home manufactured submachine gun. It is chambered in .45 ACP or 9mm, and uses a surplus M3 “Greasegun” or Sten barrel, coupled with surplus magazines for the same. At one time, the plans were available from Paladin Press (pretty sure).

    A friend of mine actually built a (non-firing) prototype from the plans in the mid 1980′s. He built it in shop class his Junior year in high school! The teacher had full knowledge, and approved the project on the proviso it was not, and could not be rendered, “operational” whilst on school grounds (or ever, really, as that would’ve been manufacture). Also, the barrel was a blank made up of steel tubing, I believe. Too, no ammunition was allowed on premise. It sounds nutso in this day and age. It was actually legal, since it was not a functioning fire arm, per se. With a few minor modifications to the manufacturing process, however, it could be made so.

    The example in the photo looks particularly well done. When rendered by a 17 year-old relative novice just learning the ins and outs of metal working, it’s not something I would’ve even stood next to during live fire (let alone behind, with my finger on the trigger), had that even been possible. The trick nowadays would be finding the barrel and (to a lesser degree) magazine. Those surplus parts were relatively easy to purchase in the pre-ban era (not that they were banned, just less temporally remote at that time).

  • Zach

    yeah that’s a homemade submachine gun off “expedient homemade firearms”. whoever did it did a pretty good job!

  • wolf

    holy crap man thats a modded .22 lmao :P i had a buddy years ago who had one jus like it lolz :P

  • Brady

    Forsure its a bsp pipe gun PA luty published books that were for academic study but the brits threw him in jail

  • kris

    That is what appears to be a smith and wesson 76 or MK760 made from a kit. it is a “tube gun” cheap and easy to make.

  • ronnie p.

    No question about it, this is a submachine gun made after the directions that appear in P.A. Luty’s “Homemade Expedient Firearms.” While obviously not built exactly to his exact specifications, the overall appearance is enough to convince me that this is where they got the idea and plans to build it.

  • snoopy

    his is definitely the BSP SMG design, i just compared them. great handwork. did it operate? im currently building one myself and want to know if it will fire in semi auto. dont want a full auto

  • Storm Dunakin

    Its a grease gun, the mafia would use them as well as thompsons. Why? Because they were said to be Cheap and you can make them out of random tools like Caulking to make it in around 23 minutes if you know what your doing…. Reason for knowing I enjoy researching these things

  • matthew

    the smg is a bsp 9mm the gun was designed in the 50s by a brit the gun is homemade and was designed to be made from common hardware store parts with little work

  • http://www.thefirearmblog.com Steve

    tarkan, thanks for the link. I won’t post it here as I will be get a whole lot of email from kids wanting to make one.