Police find homemade submachine gun
About two weeks ago the police in Winnipeg, Canada, confiscated a a bunch of saw off shotguns, ammo and a unidentified submachine gun that is reported to be homemade.
Full photo at The Winnipeg Sun
The Winnipeg Sun reports:
Possibly homemade, the submachine-gun and five sawed-off shotguns, along with ammunition, were seized at a house in the 400-block of Manitoba Avenue on Jan. 7, police said.
Three males, aged 17, 27 and 28, are facing almost 120 charges.
If it is homemade whoever made it did a very good job. Either it is homemade or of a pre-1950ish design. Note that it has a non-telescoping bolt resulting in a long receiver.
At first I thought it may be an MP-40, but it is not. Can anyone here identify it? Please provide a link to a photo in the comments if you can.
Regular readers know that I have fascination with homemade guns 
http://www.mtm-mfg.com/MTM_title2.html
Reminds me of Chinese AK-47 (3rd set) but not sure
It looks to me like the bastard child of a Smith & Wesson Model 76 (http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg85-e.htm) and the “Expedient Homemade Firearm” (http://www.thehomegunsmith.com/).
I’ve seen DiY manuals for submachine guns. It’s probably related to one of these.
Aren’t there no barrel length restrictions on shotguns up there? So really just scare tactics from the media on that one, just calling them shotguns isn’t scary enough.
Neat looking machine gun though, looks like an M16A1 style pistol grip.
Looks like a sten with a rotated magazine port. Some of the sites for converting a sten parts kit to semi auto talk about how to do this.
Fred, have a look at the photo, they are most defiantly shawn off shotguns – barrels sawed off and stocks converted to pistol grips.
Erik, interesting, I dismissed the sten because of the magazine.
Shane, it does look similar to the Model 76.
Looks a little like a Vigneron (Belgian?).
I didn’t doubt they were sawn off, but as far as I knew there was nothing illegal about that in Canada is all.
My first impression was that it is VERY similar to the Swedish K/Smith 76/MK 760 line of subguns…it lacks the folding stock and relatively vertical rear grip of those weapons and the square trigger guard is not found on them either.
tarkan, thanks for the link. I won’t post it here as I will be get a whole lot of email from kids wanting to make one.
Holy crap! I live in winnipeg, and I’m an avid firearm enthusiast… and I didn’t even hear about that! Crazy weird to read about something like this in your own city on a firearm blog! hehe – Been visiting your blog for a while! LOVE IT! Probably my most visited bookmark!
Canadian firearms law re: shortening barrels
It is illegal to shorten a firearm barrel to below 16 inches.
However, if it comes from the factory with a shorter barrel, that is OK.
Overall length of a shotgun or rifle must be at least 26 inches. It is illegal to shorten the weapon below that limit.
It doesn’t have to make sense, it’s the law.
They sell 14″ shotguns here, but the stock and receiver have to make up the other 12 inches. Cutting down the stock makes it too short and therefore illegal. Swapping rifle stock for a folding or pistol grip stock would also be illegal if the overall length drops below 26″.
Amazing how cutting an inch off the wooden part can draw a 10 year sentence.
In any case, I doubt it is homemade as the gangs in Winnipeg don’t have much trouble getting proper firearms. The SMG shown may be a re-activated firearm that was imported as de-activated (and therefore beyond the scope of our firearms laws) from some ancient surplus lot.
It probably took the guy less then $50 to build that thing. The most expensive part is the cheap barrel.
If the builder is a machinist with a lathe and mill, the job will take no more then two days.
Good workmanship tho. He/she should be proud.
looks homemade to me, although a good job of it. As was mentioned, it looks like some of the designs in the improvised weapons books. Not the M16A1/AR-15 pistol grip being used too.
Different than a Sten too. Even the vertical mag models that were tested and the German MP-3008 that copied them.
http://www.sksboards.com/sksinfo/sten1.jpg
http://www.dreadgazebo.com/gunporn/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/mp3008.jpg
http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/9282/mp3008submachinegunwoodjf5.jpg
It looks like the bastard child of a Sten, M16, Mp40, and a Grease Gun all rolled into one… I like it.
It is most definitely a cross of a S&W 76 and Danish Madsen SMG.
Has the receiver of the Smith and Wesson but everything else is Madsen.
http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg60-e.htm
It look like this old sub. Made in Spain in 1.940 more or less. Parinco…
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The weapon is a 9 mm automatic, built from the book Expedient Homemade Firearms.
As in, that’s the exact template he used. It’s a 9 mm sub machine gun
its a BSP-SMG. a fairly good idea gun that cost no more than 200 dollars to make relatively well. you can find full auto designs , which are are for educational purpose only, for about 12$ and some times free. also you can find free designs for a semi auto version which, if you live in America, you can build legally, just don’t ever sell it as it will then be a commercial fire arm and subject to large taxes and regulation, but don’t take my word alone, for the home built gun part ask a local ATF or BAFTA for documentation of the fire arm as that could help if it is ever stolen and used in a crime, and always get what they say in writing as they cover their tracks well.
no i have never made a gun nor do i own a copy of the designs, you need to find a site that sells them to get the design and all the measurements are in British pluming so good luck to any one who doesn’t understand metric.
found the site, its http://www.thehomegunsmith.com. so yeah its not that hard to make from what i can tell form the free schematic. however, that site is for educational purposes only so don’t go there with this idea that you can just go out and start mass production of fire arms from it.
kind of looks like the SGN-9 in shotgun news a while back…
it is a ZAGI M91 from Cortia. It spent a hour looking for this gun.
my computer will not let me do this, but plz go to google images and type up Zagi M91.
Zagi M91!!!!!!
oh yeah, do not look up on wikipedia bacuse i did and it said not found
i dont think it is homemade because the homemade ones look more simple and messy, and has little paint on it
greasegun
it was made by a local anarchist in winnipeg, he was making guns at home and distributing the about….., police i recall held him but didnt have enough evidence. apparently he bade the guns from ar15 and sten gun parts and machined the other parts on a mill… isnt known how many he produced
This is a BSP semi-auto SMG 9mm, a homemade gun you can do yourself with some pipes.
You can find the how-to guide on scribd, at http://www.scribd.com/doc/16108331/BSP-SMG-9mm-full-book . Some places they says it works, some others says it’s just a prototype. For myself, if the ball is shoted and the gun break, you’re in very deep shit cauz you can be seriously injured.
Lower receiver looks like a Tippman .68 paintball gun. The upper looks like a,”grease gun”, M3, mag well also. I’m a machinist, it could happen!? Maybe.
I stumbled on this blog recently and it’s a most enjoyable read, kudos.
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All homemade, no powder burners but pneumatic and gas powered, all homemade and some remarkable examples in the showcase section.
Looks like a Portugese FBP 9mm Sub Machine Gun. Pistol Grip has been altered. They first appeared in 1948 & is fired by an open bolt.