Comments on: Taurus Judge Public Defender .410 / .45 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/19/taurus-judge-public-defender-410-45/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:19:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Bob Dorrie http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/19/taurus-judge-public-defender-410-45/comment-page-1/#comment-86180 Bob Dorrie Mon, 06 Feb 2012 20:35:30 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4569#comment-86180 RE: Micheals comment on 1/1/12 , wonder where in the heck you live? You have had to draw your weapon twice? Dude I have been carring concealed for close to 30 years now both in NY and SC and have never had to draw my weapon. Maybe it isn't the gun, maybe it is the guy on the end of it that is broken? RE: Micheals comment on 1/1/12 , wonder where in the heck you live? You have had to draw your weapon twice? Dude I have been carring concealed for close to 30 years now both in NY and SC and have never had to draw my weapon. Maybe it isn’t the gun, maybe it is the guy on the end of it that is broken?

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]]> By: bill http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/19/taurus-judge-public-defender-410-45/comment-page-1/#comment-82070 bill Tue, 03 Jan 2012 04:15:56 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4569#comment-82070 Ever use slugs? Makes a nice hole Ever use slugs? Makes a nice hole

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]]> By: Michael http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/19/taurus-judge-public-defender-410-45/comment-page-1/#comment-81961 Michael Sat, 31 Dec 2011 13:03:26 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4569#comment-81961 I got a Judge - and what a piece of crap. Or at least mine is - apparently some users have no problems. But I would not place my faith - or life - in mine because it misfires on .410 rounds ALL THE TIME. Doesn't matter who made the ammo (just bought and tried - and failed to fire the Winchester PDX ammo). Sent it back to Taurus - they 'corrected' it - it still misfires because the rim of the shotshell is thinner - and therefore further away - from the firing pin. Over and over again I've sent this gun back. And over and over again it misfires. I would love it if it worked - but it doesn't. Like I said: a piece of crap. IF you own a Judge - PLEASE! - go out and shoot it. Make sure it will fire .410 rounds. It almost cost me my life - TWICE - because the darned thing misfired. There's nothing like facing a threat - and then hearing that dry ol' "click". Will make your gonads draw up REAL tight. I've been cussing that thing ever since I bought it - and the dealer won't do a 'trade' or return. Just "send it to Taurus" all the time. I think this weapon has spent more time in the mail than on the range - that, or sitting in some repair shop. As for me - well, I'm debating either a) throwing this gun into the trash (after all: it's nearly gotten me killed two times), or b) modifying the ammo by crimping the rim or adding a washer, or c) modifying the gun so the cylinder sits a little closer to the firing pin. Why I should have to do dangerous modifications to a gun that is both "fixed" and "new" is beyond me - and if I get hurt, I'm suing Taurus. Again. 'nuff said. Hope this weapon works for you. As far as I go: I'm disappointed. And still trying to get that guy's foot outta my butt from when the gun misfired. I got a Judge – and what a piece of crap. Or at least mine is – apparently some users have no problems. But I would not place my faith – or life – in mine because it misfires on .410 rounds ALL THE TIME. Doesn’t matter who made the ammo (just bought and tried – and failed to fire the Winchester PDX ammo). Sent it back to Taurus – they ‘corrected’ it – it still misfires because the rim of the shotshell is thinner – and therefore further away – from the firing pin. Over and over again I’ve sent this gun back. And over and over again it misfires. I would love it if it worked – but it doesn’t. Like I said: a piece of crap.

IF you own a Judge – PLEASE! – go out and shoot it. Make sure it will fire .410 rounds. It almost cost me my life – TWICE – because the darned thing misfired. There’s nothing like facing a threat – and then hearing that dry ol’ “click”. Will make your gonads draw up REAL tight. I’ve been cussing that thing ever since I bought it – and the dealer won’t do a ‘trade’ or return. Just “send it to Taurus” all the time. I think this weapon has spent more time in the mail than on the range – that, or sitting in some repair shop.

As for me – well, I’m debating either a) throwing this gun into the trash (after all: it’s nearly gotten me killed two times), or b) modifying the ammo by crimping the rim or adding a washer, or c) modifying the gun so the cylinder sits a little closer to the firing pin. Why I should have to do dangerous modifications to a gun that is both “fixed” and “new” is beyond me – and if I get hurt, I’m suing Taurus. Again.

’nuff said. Hope this weapon works for you. As far as I go: I’m disappointed. And still trying to get that guy’s foot outta my butt from when the gun misfired.

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]]> By: Randall J Hurd http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/19/taurus-judge-public-defender-410-45/comment-page-1/#comment-78624 Randall J Hurd Sat, 26 Nov 2011 19:08:02 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4569#comment-78624 I talked to a couple Handgun Grip manufacturers and the Taurus Judge "PUBLIC DEFENDER" is the one that's not made on the Tracker Frame. So the Judge aftermarket Grips are not available until sometime next year. "Thankfully". There are just some things that "GLUE" was not meant for, and "Hand Grips" are not one of them. It's been a couple weeks now since my Judge has been back from the RMA department with the repair job. So far so good. However, the sticking Hammer on SA or DA I'm starting to find is pretty common on the PUBLIC DEFENDER models. It would be nice if there was a recall on them rather than a wait and see who send them back in scenario. But recalls verses customer returns dictates how much media attention one draws. It's like the baby stroller and car seat recalls. That affects the bottom line. Taurus has so many different JUDGE models in the market that one will affect the other on a recall of one model. And that's bad for business, if your in a business were failure is not accepted in the slightest degree no matter what the intention. Come to think of it, how many firearms manufactures have ever had a recall. I don't know that answer, but given the nature of the business, admitting failure has a bad Voo Doo hysteria that would follow it. The only thing that would initiate a recall on something that requires any amount of skill and safety would have to hit a certain margin of unbearable repercussions. Like "Fire Stone Tires" would be a good example. I know if I were a business owner or executive of a large company, the weight of responsibility to fair market investment verses profit would be the determining factor on responsibility and forthcoming actions. So don't blame the GUN, blame the basic concept of media circumventions of the truth as the determining factor of reality behind warranty and acceptability. I talked to a couple Handgun Grip manufacturers and the Taurus Judge “PUBLIC DEFENDER” is the one that’s not made on the Tracker Frame. So the Judge aftermarket Grips are not available until sometime next year. “Thankfully”. There are just some things that “GLUE” was not meant for, and “Hand Grips” are not one of them. It’s been a couple weeks now since my Judge has been back from the RMA department with the repair job. So far so good. However, the sticking Hammer on SA or DA I’m starting to find is pretty common on the PUBLIC DEFENDER models. It would be nice if there was a recall on them rather than a wait and see who send them back in scenario. But recalls verses customer returns dictates how much media attention one draws. It’s like the baby stroller and car seat recalls. That affects the bottom line. Taurus has so many different JUDGE models in the market that one will affect the other on a recall of one model. And that’s bad for business, if your in a business were failure is not accepted in the slightest degree no matter what the intention. Come to think of it, how many firearms manufactures have ever had a recall. I don’t know that answer, but given the nature of the business, admitting failure has a bad Voo Doo hysteria that would follow it. The only thing that would initiate a recall on something that requires any amount of skill and safety would have to hit a certain margin of unbearable repercussions. Like “Fire Stone Tires” would be a good example. I know if I were a business owner or executive of a large company, the weight of responsibility to fair market investment verses profit would be the determining factor on responsibility and forthcoming actions. So don’t blame the GUN, blame the basic concept of media circumventions of the truth as the determining factor of reality behind warranty and acceptability.

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]]> By: brandon foster http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/19/taurus-judge-public-defender-410-45/comment-page-1/#comment-78590 brandon foster Sat, 26 Nov 2011 03:34:46 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4569#comment-78590 You can order the grip for the s&w governer its the same frame. You can order the grip for the s&w governer its the same frame.

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]]> By: Galen Altman http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/19/taurus-judge-public-defender-410-45/comment-page-1/#comment-78350 Galen Altman Thu, 24 Nov 2011 01:59:14 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4569#comment-78350 I purchased my second Judge, this one the Public Defender Lightweight. I just got a call from my dealer and was told it is ready for me to pick up. This is the "THIRD" time it has been sent back to Taurus to repair some failure in the trigger or hammer spring...so Taurus says. I bought it last August and after about 30 rounds of 45LC and some 410's the trigger and hammer went limp. Went through the return procedure with dealer...got it back and fired less than 6 rounds through it in about 3 days when the trigger got so stiff it was very hard to fire and also same for tryining to cock the hammer. I spoke with Taurus about a replacement or refund...no-way. They will just keep fixing it. My dealer also tried the same and got the same answer. I certainly will not carry it as my concealed carry anymore. Even if they gave me a new one I would not trust it. My confidence in that gun is zip. Taurus does not care. They are more than willing to let the consumers find the weak links in design and materials. I purchased my second Judge, this one the Public Defender Lightweight. I just got a call from my dealer and was told it is ready for me to pick up. This is the “THIRD” time it has been sent back to Taurus to repair some failure in the trigger or hammer spring…so Taurus says. I bought it last August and after about 30 rounds of 45LC and some 410′s the trigger and hammer went limp. Went through the return procedure with dealer…got it back and fired less than 6 rounds through it in about 3 days when the trigger got so stiff it was very hard to fire and also same for tryining to cock the hammer.
I spoke with Taurus about a replacement or refund…no-way. They will just keep fixing it. My dealer also tried the same and got the same answer.
I certainly will not carry it as my concealed carry anymore. Even if they gave me a new one I would not trust it. My confidence in that gun is zip.
Taurus does not care. They are more than willing to let the consumers find the weak links in design and materials.

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]]> By: Randall J Hurd http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/19/taurus-judge-public-defender-410-45/comment-page-1/#comment-76911 Randall J Hurd Fri, 11 Nov 2011 02:07:40 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4569#comment-76911 I guess no one is READING MY POST>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On some of the Judges there is a problem. The Barrel Cone is Defective and needs Timing done on the Chamber. TAURUS Warranties this problem. Call the up, they send you a FEDEX Label. Box them up and Send them back to the Manufacture. Between FEDEX and the Time I spent on the phone was 5 DAys. They Overnight the Pistol back to you.. Here's a DEAD GIVEAWAY if you have the Problem. Ist, UNLOAD THE WEAPON>>>>> I can't stress this enough.. Then RAPID FIRE 10-15 times. if the Hammer sticks in anyway, you have a defective Barrel cone. sorry about that guys...... Just trying to get the message out........ When I got mine back from the Factory, My Judge is now smoother than my Glock and SIG... and my Glock and Sig are Hopped Up with all the 3.0 - 2.5 lb triggers and Polished Ramps. Best thing I ever did with that Judge was spend a little times mailing it back. I dono, but I've never heard of a Ported and Polished Revolver, but Mine is SWEET>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. I guess no one is READING MY POST>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

On some of the Judges there is a problem. The Barrel Cone is Defective and needs Timing done on the Chamber.
TAURUS Warranties this problem. Call the up, they send you a FEDEX Label. Box them up and Send them back to the Manufacture. Between FEDEX and the Time I spent on the phone was 5 DAys. They Overnight the Pistol back to you..

Here’s a DEAD GIVEAWAY if you have the Problem. Ist, UNLOAD THE WEAPON>>>>> I can’t stress this enough.. Then RAPID FIRE 10-15 times. if the Hammer sticks in anyway, you have a defective Barrel cone.
sorry about that guys…… Just trying to get the message out……..
When I got mine back from the Factory, My Judge is now smoother than my Glock and SIG… and my Glock and Sig are Hopped Up with all the 3.0 – 2.5 lb triggers and Polished Ramps.

Best thing I ever did with that Judge was spend a little times mailing it back. I dono, but I’ve never heard of a Ported and Polished Revolver, but Mine is SWEET>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

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]]> By: Bob Spiegel http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/19/taurus-judge-public-defender-410-45/comment-page-1/#comment-76895 Bob Spiegel Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:55:24 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4569#comment-76895 Has anyone found a 4 finger grip for the Public Defender Has anyone found a 4 finger grip for the Public Defender

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]]> By: Randall http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/19/taurus-judge-public-defender-410-45/comment-page-1/#comment-76779 Randall Wed, 09 Nov 2011 23:32:57 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4569#comment-76779 I own a judge and I'm also a small arms trainer. What I've found with the judge is that at close range it's lethal as any other magnum round. The 410 rounds and 45LC are hard on the wrist after 60 or 70 rounds. It's extremely accurate. Light weight, cheap enough and it carries a life time warranty of the fire arm. Doesn't matter who owns it. It will get fix and sent back if you have a problem. I'm strictly a sig Sauer fan and own multiple firearms. In the event that something happened where I'd need one, and I've been in that position twice in my civilian life, I would prefer the Judge Public Defender at close Range. I fire over three hundred rounds out of one of the ones I own. It went NON-Stop. Keep in mind it got VERY HOT, and shot shells will melt or stove pipe under those conditions. But most people won't experience a fire fight with a burger that last 20 plus minutes and multiple reloads. The bottom line is, if some one decided to enter my house without my permission and intended to do harm to my family, I would grab the judge before I grabbed my sig or Glock. As far as cost goes and the willingness to protect your life at all cost. Hands down the Judge is a Man stopper at close range. One squeeze and the problem is gone, or trying like heck to get away from the canon. On the flip side if I were in a situation where accuracy and distance were the issues, I'd grab my Sig 239 or Glock 27 any day. In a pistol to pistol fight I'd use my Sig or Glock. In a fire fight or defensive line I'd use my shotgun or AR15. But if I were someone with no combat experience defending my property and my families life, the judge is the winne at close range in a home. Keep in mind that the average at 90% of all home invasions or Car Jacking your going to be at least 3 - 7 feet away. That's we're the 4 fundementals and natural point of aim come In from all your practice fires. However if your one of those guys or gals that never go to the range, the Judge works well. As far as wrist pain goes, in the heat of a fire fight or defensive posture, NO-ONE with no exception ever remembers squeezing the trigger and feeling a inkling of pain. I own a judge and I’m also a small arms trainer.
What I’ve found with the judge is that at close range it’s lethal as any other magnum round. The 410 rounds and 45LC are hard on the wrist after 60 or 70 rounds. It’s extremely accurate. Light weight, cheap enough and it carries a life time warranty of the fire arm. Doesn’t matter who owns it. It will get fix and sent back if you have a problem. I’m strictly a sig Sauer fan and own multiple firearms. In the event that something happened where I’d need one, and I’ve been in that position twice in my civilian life, I would prefer the Judge Public Defender at close Range. I fire over three hundred rounds out of one of the ones I own. It went NON-Stop. Keep in mind it got VERY HOT, and shot shells will melt or stove pipe under those conditions. But most people won’t experience a fire fight with a burger that last 20 plus minutes and multiple reloads. The bottom line is, if some one decided to enter my house without my permission and intended to do harm to my family, I would grab the judge before I grabbed my sig or Glock. As far as cost goes and the willingness to protect your life at all cost. Hands down the Judge is a Man stopper at close range. One squeeze and the problem is gone, or trying like heck to get away from the canon. On the flip side if I were in a situation where accuracy and distance were the issues, I’d grab my Sig 239 or Glock 27 any day. In a pistol to pistol fight I’d use my Sig or Glock. In a fire fight or defensive line I’d use my shotgun or AR15. But if I were someone with no combat experience defending my property and my families life, the judge is the winne at close range in a home. Keep in mind that the average at 90% of all home invasions or Car Jacking your going to be at least 3 – 7 feet away. That’s we’re the 4 fundementals and natural point of aim come In from all your practice fires. However if your one of those guys or gals that never go to the range, the Judge works well. As far as wrist pain goes, in the heat of a fire fight or defensive posture, NO-ONE with no exception ever remembers squeezing the trigger and feeling a inkling of pain.

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]]> By: patches http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/19/taurus-judge-public-defender-410-45/comment-page-1/#comment-71687 patches Sun, 18 Sep 2011 03:18:56 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4569#comment-71687 Has anyone had a chance to shoot all the models of the judge and compare them......particularly the poly framed 2.5in barrel versus the 3in ported barrel? I am just trying to figure out if the ported barrel really is any better than the stock 3 in barrel non-ported. Also does the poly frame kick harder due to the lighter weight versus its regular version mate? Has anyone had a chance to shoot all the models of the judge and compare them……particularly the poly framed 2.5in barrel versus the 3in ported barrel?
I am just trying to figure out if the ported barrel really is any better than the stock 3 in barrel non-ported. Also does the poly frame kick harder due to the lighter weight versus its regular version mate?

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]]> By: hicusdicus http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/19/taurus-judge-public-defender-410-45/comment-page-1/#comment-66496 hicusdicus Tue, 05 Jul 2011 01:17:37 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4569#comment-66496 To Tom Dawson, I have 7 judges one for each room of my house. 5 of them are ultra lite SS public defenders So far no problems. Have fired them about 50 plus times each so far no problems. They are all loaded with XPD. I am 75 years old and am not into guns except for self defense. I think the Judge is the best weapon there is for my time of life. I have been the recipient of an armed robbery and was shot 3 times. If I had a Judge there would be two blind and maimed criminals. To Tom Dawson, I have 7 judges one for each room of my house. 5 of them are ultra lite SS public defenders So far no problems. Have fired them about 50 plus times each so far no problems. They are all loaded with XPD. I am 75 years old and am not into guns except for self defense. I think the Judge is the best weapon there is for my time of life. I have been the recipient of an armed robbery and was shot 3 times. If I had a Judge there would be two blind and maimed criminals.

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]]> By: Tom Dawson http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/19/taurus-judge-public-defender-410-45/comment-page-1/#comment-66441 Tom Dawson Mon, 04 Jul 2011 14:49:27 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4569#comment-66441 I bought a Judge Public Defender last October, fired fewer than 25 rounds through it before I experienced trouble. When pulling the trigger, the hammer would stop in a single-action position, requiring a little more pressure on the trigger to fire. I thought that was a nifty design -- until the trigger froze with the hammer in single-action position. I finally worked that out, and the next couple of shots went fine. Then it fired BEFORE reaching the single-action position; before I had squeezed the trigger fully. Scary, to say the least. Then the trigger froze to the point I couldn't pull it. I unloaded the gun, took it back where I bought it, and the shop sent it back to Taurus. In due time, it came back -- with the crane bent and the cylinder retention screw threads stripped. The shop sent it back again. I waited almost two months, and when I called the shop to inquire, I was told that Taurus sent an empty box, and that I should call Taurus (why me instead of the shop, but that's a topic for another blog). I was told by Taurus that the shop's FFL had expired and they couldn't ship a gun to them. (This is a national sporting goods chain, not some little one-man shop -- I won't name it, but it rhymes with Rass Row Hop). That got rectified and in due time I received a replacement gun. I went through the FFL paperwork again since the gun had a different serial number. I asked to try dry-firing the gun before I took it, and found the trigger freezing and not being able to make the hammer fall. The gunsmith at the shop tried it, said it was defective, and they would return it to Taurus. Note this gun was not even out of the store before it had to be sent back. I got yet a third gun, asked to dry fire it before we went through the FFL paperwork, and it seemed to work okay. I then went through the FFL paperwork yet a third time (and I still had not fired 25 rounds through a Judge). I went to the range and fired 10-15 rounds, but this gun did not allow the hammer to pause at the single-action position. I tried to pull the hammer to single action with my thumb, and it stuck about one-quarter inch back. The only way to release it was to twist the cylinder back and forth as much as possible. I experienced the same problem about every second or third time -- the hammer hanging up when pulled back with my thumb, necessitating wiggling the cylinder back and forth until it releases. Because of the problems with the other returned guns, I am going to see if this will cure itself with use, as the hammer and sear gradually wear in. Needless to say, I am not happy with the Judge. I own several other Taurus revolvers and a 92F in 9 mm, and am generally happy. However, I must say I am much happier with the Colts, Smith & Wessons, and Rugers I own than I am with the Tauruses. My first Taurus was a .357 revolver I bought new about 15 years ago. I hadn't fired 70 rounds through it before the timing was so far off the firing pin was completely missing the primer. I sent it back, Taurus repaired it and returned it. I started keeping track of every round I put through it to see how many before the timing needed repair again. So far, I've put more than 23,000 rounds through it with no problems. If Taurus can fix it correctly, why can't they make them correctly? As to the Judge, if use doesn't fix the problem, I'm going to ask for my money back. It's been an exasperating experience and I don't care to go through more of the same. Let others beware!!! I bought a Judge Public Defender last October, fired fewer than 25 rounds through it before I experienced trouble. When pulling the trigger, the hammer would stop in a single-action position, requiring a little more pressure on the trigger to fire. I thought that was a nifty design — until the trigger froze with the hammer in single-action position. I finally worked that out, and the next couple of shots went fine. Then it fired BEFORE reaching the single-action position; before I had squeezed the trigger fully. Scary, to say the least. Then the trigger froze to the point I couldn’t pull it. I unloaded the gun, took it back where I bought it, and the shop sent it back to Taurus. In due time, it came back — with the crane bent and the cylinder retention screw threads stripped. The shop sent it back again. I waited almost two months, and when I called the shop to inquire, I was told that Taurus sent an empty box, and that I should call Taurus (why me instead of the shop, but that’s a topic for another blog). I was told by Taurus that the shop’s FFL had expired and they couldn’t ship a gun to them. (This is a national sporting goods chain, not some little one-man shop — I won’t name it, but it rhymes with Rass Row Hop). That got rectified and in due time I received a replacement gun. I went through the FFL paperwork again since the gun had a different serial number. I asked to try dry-firing the gun before I took it, and found the trigger freezing and not being able to make the hammer fall. The gunsmith at the shop tried it, said it was defective, and they would return it to Taurus. Note this gun was not even out of the store before it had to be sent back. I got yet a third gun, asked to dry fire it before we went through the FFL paperwork, and it seemed to work okay. I then went through the FFL paperwork yet a third time (and I still had not fired 25 rounds through a Judge). I went to the range and fired 10-15 rounds, but this gun did not allow the hammer to pause at the single-action position. I tried to pull the hammer to single action with my thumb, and it stuck about one-quarter inch back. The only way to release it was to twist the cylinder back and forth as much as possible. I experienced the same problem about every second or third time — the hammer hanging up when pulled back with my thumb, necessitating wiggling the cylinder back and forth until it releases. Because of the problems with the other returned guns, I am going to see if this will cure itself with use, as the hammer and sear gradually wear in. Needless to say, I am not happy with the Judge. I own several other Taurus revolvers and a 92F in 9 mm, and am generally happy. However, I must say I am much happier with the Colts, Smith & Wessons, and Rugers I own than I am with the Tauruses. My first Taurus was a .357 revolver I bought new about 15 years ago. I hadn’t fired 70 rounds through it before the timing was so far off the firing pin was completely missing the primer. I sent it back, Taurus repaired it and returned it. I started keeping track of every round I put through it to see how many before the timing needed repair again. So far, I’ve put more than 23,000 rounds through it with no problems. If Taurus can fix it correctly, why can’t they make them correctly?

As to the Judge, if use doesn’t fix the problem, I’m going to ask for my money back. It’s been an exasperating experience and I don’t care to go through more of the same.

Let others beware!!!

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]]> By: lester http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/19/taurus-judge-public-defender-410-45/comment-page-1/#comment-59262 lester Fri, 01 Apr 2011 06:09:16 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4569#comment-59262 i have a public defender and the circuit judge . love them both but i've had issues with 410 shotshells from 3 differant company's when fired double action several have snapped single action produces more reliable results.i'm a little worried about the 000 buck loads on the street remember each of those pellets you are resposible for so i'm loading mine with 1 4'6 or 7 1/2 the rest get long colt.at home 000 buck is good. i carry mine in a pancake holster rides well and is very fast drawing .i really need to check into the misfires of the shot shells but i'll still carry it the 4 45's will surfice. i have a public defender and the circuit judge . love them both but i’ve had issues with 410 shotshells from 3 differant company’s when fired double action several have snapped single action produces more reliable results.i’m a little worried about the 000 buck loads on the street remember each of those pellets you are resposible for so i’m loading mine with 1 4’6 or 7 1/2 the rest get long colt.at home 000 buck is good. i carry mine in a pancake holster rides well and is very fast drawing .i really need to check into the misfires of the shot shells but i’ll still carry it the 4 45′s will surfice.

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]]> By: Diana http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/19/taurus-judge-public-defender-410-45/comment-page-1/#comment-57795 Diana Mon, 14 Mar 2011 04:21:22 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4569#comment-57795 I do a lot of target shooting and because before you know it you can burn through a box of 50 rounds. I use the cheep ammo and I have not had any problems with the shells ejecting. “when guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns” I do a lot of target shooting and because before you know it you can burn through a box of 50 rounds. I use the cheep ammo and I have not had any problems with the shells ejecting.

“when guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns”

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]]> By: Hicusdicus http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/19/taurus-judge-public-defender-410-45/comment-page-1/#comment-57781 Hicusdicus Sun, 13 Mar 2011 23:28:38 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4569#comment-57781 Sgtdaniel, I have two Ultra light public defenders. Winchester XPD, federal and Remington work just fine. A lot of the foreign stuff does not. For self defense XPD is all you need. Sgtdaniel, I have two Ultra light public defenders. Winchester XPD, federal and Remington work just fine. A lot of the foreign stuff does not. For self defense XPD is all you need.

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]]> By: sgtdaniel http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/19/taurus-judge-public-defender-410-45/comment-page-1/#comment-57779 sgtdaniel Sun, 13 Mar 2011 22:34:38 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4569#comment-57779 Those of you who own and have fired the judge public defender. How is it at cartridge ejection. I have heard some stories of these expanding and getting stuck. Those of you who own and have fired the judge public defender. How is it at cartridge ejection. I have heard some stories of these expanding and getting stuck.

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]]> By: Diana http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/19/taurus-judge-public-defender-410-45/comment-page-1/#comment-57376 Diana Wed, 09 Mar 2011 05:40:49 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4569#comment-57376 The Winchester 410's is a load for home defense. At Cheaper Than Dirt the Winchester PDX1 is $18.83 for a box of 20 rounds. I purchased them with my Judge, I am a good shot even at 30 yards, not as accurate as I would like to be, good enough for the situation at hand. I have to laugh at the thought of ok I just unleashed 4 - 410's in life threating situation at someone or thing. Knowing that i have one shot left and it is a 45 magnum I don't think that the attacker would still be life threating. "when guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns" The Winchester 410′s is a load for home defense. At Cheaper Than Dirt the Winchester PDX1 is $18.83 for a box of 20 rounds. I purchased them with my Judge, I am a good shot even at 30 yards, not as accurate as I would like to be, good enough for the situation at hand. I have to laugh at the thought of ok I just unleashed 4 – 410′s in life threating situation at someone or thing. Knowing that i have one shot left and it is a 45 magnum I don’t think that the attacker would still be life threating.

“when guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns”

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]]> By: NORM I. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/19/taurus-judge-public-defender-410-45/comment-page-1/#comment-57326 NORM I. Tue, 08 Mar 2011 20:29:41 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4569#comment-57326 HERE IS A LINK TO THE PDX1 .410 AMMO http://www.winchester.com/Products/New-Products/Pages/pdx1-410.aspx HERE IS A LINK TO THE PDX1 .410 AMMO
http://www.winchester.com/Products/New-Products/Pages/pdx1-410.aspx

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]]> By: NORM I. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/19/taurus-judge-public-defender-410-45/comment-page-1/#comment-57323 NORM I. Tue, 08 Mar 2011 20:18:33 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4569#comment-57323 FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT IT YET, WINCHESTER HAS PUT OUT A 410 ROUND CALLED PDX 1 THAT HAS 3 DISC AND 12 BB SHOT IN IT FOR SELF DEFENSE. IT IS AN AWESOME SHELL AND WOULD STOP PRETTY MUCH ANYONE WITH ONE GOOD SHOT. I HAVE SHOT IT THROUGH BOTH MY PUBLIC DEFENDER AND CIRCUIT JUDGE. YOU CAN BUY THEM IN A COMBO PACK WITH PDX 1 .45 LC FOR AROUND $30.00 AT CABELAS. YOU WON'T BE SORRY WITH THIS SET UP. FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVEN’T HEARD ABOUT IT YET, WINCHESTER HAS PUT OUT A 410 ROUND CALLED PDX 1 THAT HAS 3 DISC AND 12 BB SHOT IN IT FOR SELF DEFENSE. IT IS AN AWESOME SHELL AND WOULD STOP PRETTY MUCH ANYONE WITH ONE GOOD SHOT. I HAVE SHOT IT THROUGH BOTH MY PUBLIC DEFENDER AND CIRCUIT JUDGE. YOU CAN BUY THEM IN A COMBO PACK WITH PDX 1 .45 LC FOR AROUND $30.00 AT CABELAS. YOU WON’T BE SORRY WITH THIS SET UP.

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]]> By: Gary http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/19/taurus-judge-public-defender-410-45/comment-page-1/#comment-56432 Gary Fri, 25 Feb 2011 13:55:06 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4569#comment-56432 Oooops. Sorry about the typo. I meant swab out the chamber. No swamming going on here. :-). Also if you have not yet tried the Federal 000 buck round in your Judge yet, I highly recommend it. It is a serious hard hitter. It has a good tight pattern. Here is a YouTube video of me firing my Judge at a full can of Lysol at about 15 feet or so. Not sure of the exact distance. I am using the Federal 000 buck 2.5 inch round. Not a bad pattern. Would have no problem hitting center mass with this round and I am positive it would be a bad guy stopper. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=LqwycQpMBpM Oooops. Sorry about the typo. I meant swab out the chamber. No swamming going on here. :-) .

Also if you have not yet tried the Federal 000 buck round in your Judge yet, I highly recommend it. It is a serious hard hitter. It has a good tight pattern. Here is a YouTube video of me firing my Judge at a full can of Lysol at about 15 feet or so. Not sure of the exact distance. I am using the Federal 000 buck 2.5 inch round. Not a bad pattern. Would have no problem hitting center mass with this round and I am positive it would be a bad guy stopper.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=LqwycQpMBpM

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