Comments on: Taurus PT709 “Slim” Sub-Compact 9mm http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/ Firearms not Politics Sun, 21 Mar 2010 02:05:41 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Rus http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-28475 Rus Fri, 12 Mar 2010 04:18:34 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-28475 Greetings my fellow enthusiasts. After selling my 709 last week, I saw a new Sig P250 at Academy Sports. It is DAO and has interchangable grips, triggers and slides. So, being a brave sort, I ordered the two tone 9mm. It arrived today and I went directly to the range with wife and son. I shot it first so if it blew up, I would be the victim. No blow-ups. To the contrary, it was one of the finest guns I have had the pleasure of owning. Unlike my former Taurus, after 150 rounds of evey kind of miscellaneous round I had floating around in my bag, NO FTF's and no FTE's. The double action only trigger was very smooth and recoil was almost unnoticable. So, for those asking about the alternative to the "Slim", I would suggest you get your hands on the new Sig P250. The real shock was that the gun was selling for $450.00. A Sig for under $700??? Really??? Yup. It is money well spent in my humble opinion. Rus Greetings my fellow enthusiasts.

After selling my 709 last week, I saw a new Sig P250 at Academy Sports. It is DAO and has interchangable grips, triggers and slides.

So, being a brave sort, I ordered the two tone 9mm. It arrived today and I went directly to the range with wife and son.

I shot it first so if it blew up, I would be the victim. No blow-ups. To the contrary, it was one of the finest guns I have had the pleasure of owning.

Unlike my former Taurus, after 150 rounds of evey kind of miscellaneous round I had floating around in my bag, NO FTF’s and no FTE’s.

The double action only trigger was very smooth and recoil was almost unnoticable.

So, for those asking about the alternative to the “Slim”, I would suggest you get your hands on the new Sig P250.

The real shock was that the gun was selling for $450.00.

A Sig for under $700??? Really???

Yup.

It is money well spent in my humble opinion.

Rus

]]> By: Mike C http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-28431 Mike C Wed, 10 Mar 2010 16:43:13 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-28431 Tina, I've not heard of a break-in for this pistol, I have for a Kahr. Be sure to clean the shipping grease out of the action before you shoot. Vince, Got conformation as you did on the 5-6 week period, I called Taurus and told them that was unacceptible as this was my carry gun, They are expiditing mine ASAP. lostinbq, I dunno? I decided to give Taurus another chance and bought a Millennium Pro PT140 in .40 cal. 150 rnds no problem and it feels great. Just a hair low (Blonde not Black) Everyone knows a Blonde hair is thinner than a Black one. And the PT140's sites do not adjust. A little thicker than the 709 but it fits my IWB holster. I think they are good guns but do have some QC issues. Tina,
I’ve not heard of a break-in for this pistol, I have for a Kahr.
Be sure to clean the shipping grease out of the action before you shoot.

Vince,
Got conformation as you did on the 5-6 week period, I called Taurus and told them that was unacceptible as this was my carry gun, They are expiditing mine ASAP.

lostinbq,
I dunno?

I decided to give Taurus another chance and bought a Millennium Pro PT140 in .40 cal. 150 rnds no problem and it feels great. Just a hair low (Blonde not Black) Everyone knows a Blonde hair is thinner than a Black one. And the PT140’s sites do not adjust.
A little thicker than the 709 but it fits my IWB holster.
I think they are good guns but do have some QC issues.

]]> By: Tina http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-28398 Tina Wed, 10 Mar 2010 01:31:24 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-28398 Bought this gun for personal protection/home security and I really wish I'd read this first. The very first time I took it to the range it fired 13 shots before sticking and locking partially back on the 14th. The guy at the indoor range (which belongs to the store I bought the gun from - by the way) told me that there is a "breaking in" period for these guns and that I should get 300 to 500 rounds through it as soon as economically feasible. Sounded like a bunch of bull to me and that they didn't want to send the weapon back, even though he told me it was the 3rd Taurus in 2 days with the same problem. Is there any truth to this or should I go ahead and take it back? If I can't rely on it, what good is it? Bought this gun for personal protection/home security and I really wish I’d read this first. The very first time I took it to the range it fired 13 shots before sticking and locking partially back on the 14th. The guy at the indoor range (which belongs to the store I bought the gun from – by the way) told me that there is a “breaking in” period for these guns and that I should get 300 to 500 rounds through it as soon as economically feasible. Sounded like a bunch of bull to me and that they didn’t want to send the weapon back, even though he told me it was the 3rd Taurus in 2 days with the same problem. Is there any truth to this or should I go ahead and take it back? If I can’t rely on it, what good is it?

]]> By: Vince http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-28370 Vince Tue, 09 Mar 2010 16:44:05 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-28370 A follow up on my entry dated Mar. 1. The day after I Posted, I decided to call Tarus about the problems I was having with the PT-709 (I owned it for 2 days and never got to shoot it) and they sent out Fedex to pick it up that day (Excellent). The pistol, according to Fedex tracking, was received in Miami on Mar. 2nd (overnight, Excellent) . On Mar. 8th I finally received a letter stating that they had gotten the pistol and it would be 5 to 6 weeks to process (NOT so excellent). So, here I sit, with the PT-709 on Vacation in Miami for 5-6 weeks before it does a lick of work. Thank GOD for Ruger & Springfield. I think I know one of the reasons Taurus can sell their products for less. Quality control at Taurus is now suspect to me, as the problems this pistol had were gross, easily observed malfunctions (if it had been quality checked). 5 or 6 weeks, to replace an action group held by one pin, could mean that they have a big backlog of products with problems, Or maybe they have to swim to Brasil and back with the parts. I would recommend to Folks out there that they at least function check and field strip any pistol they are thinking of purchasing, or have the store owner do it in front of you. Don't trust that it will work out of the box, as I did. I heard a lot of good things about Taurus over the years, but, I definetly won't trust Taurus with my life after this incident. If these problems could get by their "QC", then their "QC" is asleep or nonexistent. When I get it back, the PT-709 will have to do a LOT more work than my other pistols, before I trust it for protection. A follow up on my entry dated Mar. 1.
The day after I Posted, I decided to call Tarus about the problems I was having with the PT-709 (I owned it for 2 days and never got to shoot it) and they sent out Fedex to pick it up that day (Excellent).

The pistol, according to Fedex tracking, was received in Miami on Mar. 2nd (overnight, Excellent) .

On Mar. 8th I finally received a letter stating that they had gotten the pistol and it would be 5 to 6 weeks to process (NOT so excellent).

So, here I sit, with the PT-709 on Vacation in Miami for 5-6 weeks before it does a lick of work. Thank GOD for Ruger & Springfield.

I think I know one of the reasons Taurus can sell their products for less.
Quality control at Taurus is now suspect to me, as the problems this pistol had were gross, easily observed malfunctions (if it had been quality checked).

5 or 6 weeks, to replace an action group held by one pin, could mean that they have a big backlog of products with problems, Or maybe they have to swim to Brasil and back with the parts.

I would recommend to Folks out there that they at least function check and field strip any pistol they are thinking of purchasing, or have the store owner do it in front of you. Don’t trust that it will work out of the box, as I did.

I heard a lot of good things about Taurus over the years, but, I definetly won’t trust Taurus with my life after this incident. If these problems could get by their “QC”, then their “QC” is asleep or nonexistent.

When I get it back, the PT-709 will have to do a LOT more work than my other pistols, before I trust it for protection.

]]> By: lostinbq http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-28360 lostinbq Tue, 09 Mar 2010 13:24:29 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-28360 i was bored the other day in my basement and saw a casing on the floor from my last trip to the range and i was looking at it. (rember the multiple fte's per clip) what i noticed was that there was no how u say friction mark from the extractor like it missed the casing completely. looks like thay put a new extractor in that was bent more. im still trying to get to the range (or a friends house) but this snow is still on the ground in freakn march>.<. my only concern now is that i kno the gun functions on the recoil to eject the casing but before its trip it would unrack a round without dropping it( through where the mag goes/ out the side before unloaded mag) and that beacouse of the ejector being cocked in more when i do unrack a round that the ejector is hitting just about the primer litterally this far away (.0 ) idk if that crappy diagram works but its a refrence tool. (but like i said the extractor was bearley making contact with the casing. i wish i had my camera to take a pic and show but.... good morning to all and ill update.... (shoudl i be concerned about the marks on the primer from the ejector when i unrack a round?) i was bored the other day in my basement and saw a casing on the floor from my last trip to the range and i was looking at it. (rember the multiple fte’s per clip) what i noticed was that there was no how u say friction mark from the extractor like it missed the casing completely. looks like thay put a new extractor in that was bent more. im still trying to get to the range (or a friends house) but this snow is still on the ground in freakn march>.<. my only concern now is that i kno the gun functions on the recoil to eject the casing but before its trip it would unrack a round without dropping it( through where the mag goes/ out the side before unloaded mag) and that beacouse of the ejector being cocked in more when i do unrack a round that the ejector is hitting just about the primer litterally this far away (.0 ) idk if that crappy diagram works but its a refrence tool. (but like i said the extractor was bearley making contact with the casing. i wish i had my camera to take a pic and show but….

good morning to all and ill update…. (shoudl i be concerned about the marks on the primer from the ejector when i unrack a round?)

]]> By: Techsan http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-28247 Techsan Mon, 08 Mar 2010 02:18:57 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-28247 I went to the range today to sight in my Slim. I had been having the oft-repeated "shoots low and left" problem. I was shooting three round groups at a range of 30ft. As I adjusted the sights and shot a few groups, I noticed I kept getting one flyer and two really tight (like damn near through the same hole. The flyer was WAY off, like 2-3 inches which is like a mile at 10yds. I finally noticed that the flyer was always the first shot. The only thing I could think of was the manual cycling vs auto cycling. I was inserting the mag with the action closed and manually racking the slide to chamber the first round. I tried inserting the mag with the action open and releasing the lock to chamber the round. On the first try this way, I shot a three-round group inside 1.5". I never imagined that this could make this much difference. I repeated the test doing it both ways about five more times each with the same results every-time. In the past, I've had a lot of FTFs with reloads (I've not had the same problem with the same reloads in different guns). I can't say for sure, but I can't remember a single time when the FTF occured in the middle of a magazine so this could be the same problem as with the flyers. Keep this in mind. Now that I've figured this out, I may get back to where I can trust this gun with a few hundred rounds with no more problems. If you're having the same issues, keep this in mind. I went to the range today to sight in my Slim. I had been having the oft-repeated “shoots low and left” problem. I was shooting three round groups at a range of 30ft. As I adjusted the sights and shot a few groups, I noticed I kept getting one flyer and two really tight (like damn near through the same hole. The flyer was WAY off, like 2-3 inches which is like a mile at 10yds. I finally noticed that the flyer was always the first shot. The only thing I could think of was the manual cycling vs auto cycling. I was inserting the mag with the action closed and manually racking the slide to chamber the first round. I tried inserting the mag with the action open and releasing the lock to chamber the round. On the first try this way, I shot a three-round group inside 1.5″. I never imagined that this could make this much difference. I repeated the test doing it both ways about five more times each with the same results every-time. In the past, I’ve had a lot of FTFs with reloads (I’ve not had the same problem with the same reloads in different guns). I can’t say for sure, but I can’t remember a single time when the FTF occured in the middle of a magazine so this could be the same problem as with the flyers. Keep this in mind. Now that I’ve figured this out, I may get back to where I can trust this gun with a few hundred rounds with no more problems. If you’re having the same issues, keep this in mind.

]]> By: Ron Napierkowski http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-28220 Ron Napierkowski Sun, 07 Mar 2010 15:36:31 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-28220 Shot my PT709 yesterday after having it repaired at my local gunsmith. 50 rounds of Wolf with zero problems. Also shot 50 rounds through my Polish Radom ($170 at aimsurplus) with zero problems. The Radom is used but fires very nicely and comes with two clips and a holster. It is the same size and nearly the same weight as the Taurus but fires 9x18 instead of Luger 9x19. The Taurus has better sites but the Radom is a better value. Shot my PT709 yesterday after having it repaired at my local gunsmith. 50 rounds of Wolf with zero problems. Also shot 50 rounds through my Polish Radom ($170 at aimsurplus) with zero problems. The Radom is used but fires very nicely and comes with two clips and a holster. It is the same size and nearly the same weight as the Taurus but fires 9×18 instead of Luger 9×19. The Taurus has better sites but the Radom is a better value.

]]> By: Lee http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-27849 Lee Tue, 02 Mar 2010 12:09:15 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-27849 Mike C, Thanks for the advice. I talked to a young man who works at a local car dealer that I visit often and he is a Marine (x--but I know they are always marines) who for 6 years served our country. Anyhow, he had looked at my PT 709B and purchased one himself. I asked him how it was doing and I mentioned some of the complaints on this forum. He said he had shot over 1000 rounds through it without a problem and that it was very accurate. In my case I am not too accurate, but so far the only problem with my limited rounds I have shot. I guess experience cannot be replaced with anything but experience. I hope to get some more time shooting soon. Mike C,

Thanks for the advice. I talked to a young man who works at a local car dealer that I visit often and he is a Marine (x–but I know they are always marines) who for 6 years served our country. Anyhow, he had looked at my PT 709B and purchased one himself. I asked him how it was doing and I mentioned some of the complaints on this forum. He said he had shot over 1000 rounds through it without a problem and that it was very accurate. In my case I am not too accurate, but so far the only problem with my limited rounds I have shot. I guess experience cannot be replaced with anything but experience. I hope to get some more time shooting soon.

]]> By: hondyboy http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-27842 hondyboy Tue, 02 Mar 2010 07:57:36 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-27842 Best of luck to you both! Since the 709 is so light, it's going to kick more than a larger gun...but you'll get used to it. For carry, it does seem like the perfect size. Best of luck to you both! Since the 709 is so light, it’s going to kick more than a larger gun…but you’ll get used to it. For carry, it does seem like the perfect size.

]]> By: Rus http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-27831 Rus Tue, 02 Mar 2010 01:51:01 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-27831 Luke, If your wife is not an experienced semi-auto shooter, be sure to tell her to hold the gun like a solid gold brick worth a million dollars. If she does not hold it tight, she will have ejection malfunctions. She will most likely have jams even holding the gun tightly. I did. It is called limp-wristing. If the gun is not held tightly, it will bounce up after each shot and not have the torque needed to properly eject the empty cartridge. If you get fail-to-fires there is no human error involved. It is just the typical Taurus malfunction. I do not want to rain on your parade, but I took mine back because I had zero confidence in this weapon saving my wife or myself. I also took back a Taurus Mil Pro for the same reasons. I feel very comfortable in saying Taurus firearms are not quality products. I have seen some Sig P250 compact pistols for about $450 that I am exploring. I wish you the greatest of luck with your purchase. Rus Luke,

If your wife is not an experienced semi-auto shooter, be sure to tell her to hold the gun like a solid gold brick worth a million dollars.

If she does not hold it tight, she will have ejection malfunctions. She will most likely have jams even holding the gun tightly.

I did.

It is called limp-wristing. If the gun is not held tightly, it will bounce up after each shot and not have the torque needed to properly eject the empty cartridge.

If you get fail-to-fires there is no human error involved. It is just the typical Taurus malfunction.

I do not want to rain on your parade, but I took mine back because I had zero confidence in this weapon saving my wife or myself. I also took back a Taurus Mil Pro for the same reasons.

I feel very comfortable in saying Taurus firearms are not quality products.

I have seen some Sig P250 compact pistols for about $450 that I am exploring.

I wish you the greatest of luck with your purchase.

Rus

]]> By: Luke http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-27807 Luke Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:26:09 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-27807 So, as my previous post stated I was looking for a carry pistol for my wife and after reading this blog I was a little concerned about the PT709. We went "shopping" this weekend and looked at a variety of pistols including the pps, kel tec, and xd all in 9mm. After comparing all 4 my wife loved the feel of the PT709. So we decided to take the leap of faith and purchase that one. I knew if she didnt like the way it felt in her hands, she wasn't going to be comfortable with it. We have not taken it to the range yet, I am going to throughly clean it and inspect it tonite. I will keep you guys informed of our results. Happy shooting guys! So, as my previous post stated I was looking for a carry pistol for my wife and after reading this blog I was a little concerned about the PT709. We went “shopping” this weekend and looked at a variety of pistols including the pps, kel tec, and xd all in 9mm. After comparing all 4 my wife loved the feel of the PT709. So we decided to take the leap of faith and purchase that one. I knew if she didnt like the way it felt in her hands, she wasn’t going to be comfortable with it. We have not taken it to the range yet, I am going to throughly clean it and inspect it tonite. I will keep you guys informed of our results. Happy shooting guys!

]]> By: Mike C http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-27744 Mike C Sun, 28 Feb 2010 17:14:48 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-27744 For the grammer Nazi's, I meant "remember" For the grammer Nazi’s, I meant “remember”

]]> By: Mike C http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-27743 Mike C Sun, 28 Feb 2010 17:13:44 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-27743 Lee, I would'nt be concerned with the Taurus as far as "exploding" in your face. The round I fired, the case opened through the back just above the primer ring. I've shot since I was 10 (4-10 shotgun) and pistols since I was 15, I'm 43 now and I have NEVER had anything like this happen. Winchester is making good on the shipping and Taurus has a lifetime warranty. When I get it back I will carry it. I'm in S.C. also and the concealment rules help make the 709 slim the damn near perfect CWP firearm. I'm just looking for a super slim .40 like the PPS. I do love my 709. Remeber, A firearm is'nt a weapon until you use it as one. Lee,
I would’nt be concerned with the Taurus as far as “exploding” in your face.
The round I fired, the case opened through the back just above the primer
ring. I’ve shot since I was 10 (4-10 shotgun) and pistols since I was 15, I’m 43 now and I have NEVER had anything like this happen. Winchester is making good on the shipping and Taurus has a lifetime warranty. When I get it back I will carry it. I’m in S.C. also and the concealment rules help make the 709 slim the damn near perfect CWP firearm.
I’m just looking for a super slim .40 like the PPS.
I do love my 709.
Remeber,
A firearm is’nt a weapon until you use it as one.

]]> By: Vince http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-27736 Vince Sun, 28 Feb 2010 14:30:16 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-27736 Picked up PT709 on saturday 27 Feb. Tried to Disassemble and clean, and had a terrible time getting slide off (like Mac on Feb 1st). I tried all the different methods recommended. I even went so far as to use the proceedure in the manual. I could get it off with difficulty 1 out of ten tries. I also noticed that FIRST strike trigger pull is not consistant. Sometimes it feels like 15lb pull. SECOND strike seems O.K. I looked closely and think I know what the trouble is, but need you folks with nicely function pistolas (PT709) to look @ yours and see if it is the same or different than mine. The sear spring (skinney peice of wire) sticks out the front of the sear on mine, about a 1/16", and catches on whatever the sear rests on when the sear functions. If you don't see a projection, or it is less that about a 1/16" from the front of the sear then that is my problem. This would explain the slide cap (1.21 exploded view) on the slide from being able to depress and clear the sear for slide removal. Might also explain the crappy trigger pull. Thanks for your help Picked up PT709 on saturday 27 Feb. Tried to Disassemble and clean, and had a terrible time getting slide off (like Mac on Feb 1st). I tried all the different methods recommended. I even went so far as to use the proceedure in the manual. I could get it off with difficulty 1 out of ten tries.
I also noticed that FIRST strike trigger pull is not consistant. Sometimes it feels like 15lb pull. SECOND strike seems O.K.
I looked closely and think I know what the trouble is, but need you folks with nicely function pistolas (PT709) to look @ yours and see if it is the same or different than mine.
The sear spring (skinney peice of wire) sticks out the front of the sear on mine, about a 1/16″, and catches on whatever the sear rests on when the sear functions.
If you don’t see a projection, or it is less that about a 1/16″ from the front of the sear then that is my problem.
This would explain the slide cap (1.21 exploded view) on the slide from being able to depress and clear the sear for slide removal.
Might also explain the crappy trigger pull.
Thanks for your help

]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-27716 Steve Sun, 28 Feb 2010 05:06:34 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-27716 if your looking for a subcompact pistol that is slimmer try the CZ 75 P-01. this is a great feeling weapon use plus P's as personnel defense. or you can get the CZ 83 and order it with a 9x18 barrel this is a great feeling weapon to, with very short trigger pull you will need to get used to using your index finger to release the magazines on the 83, this is due to the design of the grips which are excellent, it does have mag release on both sides but easier with index finger. the P-01 has a decocker and the 83 has a safety. they have a hammer and will be easy to pull hammer back for a SA pull as against others that have a plunger type hammer which you will have to leave the chamber empty than chamber a round to get SA pull, as to the CZ's being able to have one in the chamber, then letting the hammer down and if your in a pickle start with a DA on 1st shot or if time permits pull hammer back and start SA. most CZ's are mil-spec so I wouldn't be afraid to shoot Plus P ammo to protect yourself. I carry a G-32 with 1490fps frangible bullets, practice IDPA to keep my shots in the chest or head area. But I wouldn't hesitate to carry a good Plus P 9mm to protect myself with my CZ, as kinetic energy is your friend not a slow moving heavier bullet with less kinetic energy being released on impact. the compact glock feels good with my big hands, paddle holster with my shirt hanging out and It's good to go. smaller hands I would check out the compact to subcompact CZ's you could depending on were you buy it spend $400 to $600 depending on what you get, bet CZ or Glock it will be quality. These are the most dependable weapons that just happen to have a good cost on them and the Glock is rated as the 3rd best pistol in the past 100 years. I could explain how to take this weapon down to you on the phone. Just a little knowledge on this pistol and you will be ordering your own parts and installing them with ease. if your looking for a subcompact pistol that is slimmer try the CZ 75 P-01. this is a great feeling weapon use plus P’s as personnel defense. or you can get the CZ 83 and order it with a 9×18 barrel this is a great feeling weapon to, with very short trigger pull you will need to get used to using your index finger to release the magazines on the 83, this is due to the design of the grips which are excellent, it does have mag release on both sides but easier with index finger. the P-01 has a decocker and the 83 has a safety. they have a hammer and will be easy to pull hammer back for a SA pull as against others that have a plunger type hammer which you will have to leave the chamber empty than chamber a round to get SA pull, as to the CZ’s being able to have one in the chamber, then letting the hammer down and if your in a pickle start with a DA on 1st shot or if time permits pull hammer back and start SA. most CZ’s are mil-spec so I wouldn’t be afraid to shoot Plus P ammo to protect yourself. I carry a G-32 with 1490fps frangible bullets, practice IDPA to keep my shots in the chest or head area. But I wouldn’t hesitate to carry a good Plus P 9mm to protect myself with my CZ, as kinetic energy is your friend not a slow moving heavier bullet with less kinetic energy being released on impact. the compact glock feels good with my big hands, paddle holster with my shirt hanging out and It’s good to go. smaller hands I would check out the compact to subcompact CZ’s you could depending on were you buy it spend $400 to $600 depending on what you get, bet CZ or Glock it will be quality. These are the most dependable weapons that just happen to have a good cost on them and the Glock is rated as the 3rd best pistol in the past 100 years. I could explain how to take this weapon down to you on the phone. Just a little knowledge on this pistol and you will be ordering your own parts and installing them with ease.

]]> By: Ron Napierkowski http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-27699 Ron Napierkowski Sun, 28 Feb 2010 00:47:56 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-27699 Just got my PT-709 back from Gorenflos. Sear was bent and had a burr from the factory. They charged me $45 but said the pistol should be fine now. Like the feel of this gun but do not trust it as my carry weapon. I couldn't find a Glock that felt comfortable in my hand and will buy the Polish 9x18 at aimsurplus for now. Will continue hunting for a good carry weapon. Will fire the beejesus out of my Taurus next weekend and if no problems, will alternate it as carry. Looks like I will be adding pistols to my rifle collection.... Just got my PT-709 back from Gorenflos. Sear was bent and had a burr from the factory. They charged me $45 but said the pistol should be fine now. Like the feel of this gun but do not trust it as my carry weapon. I couldn’t find a Glock that felt comfortable in my hand and will buy the Polish 9×18 at aimsurplus for now. Will continue hunting for a good carry weapon.
Will fire the beejesus out of my Taurus next weekend and if no problems, will alternate it as carry. Looks like I will be adding pistols to my rifle collection….

]]> By: Lee http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-27689 Lee Sat, 27 Feb 2010 21:35:13 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-27689 I am new to guns in general, (about a year now)but obtained my CWP last August after taking the one day course in May and passing the tests required in SC. (only previous gun experience was in boot camp in 1965 serving my 6 months in the active duty part of my NG service--did learn how to tear down a M1 in those days--yeah-had an outdated weapon ) I bought a Stoegar Cougar 9mm for my first gun to carry (bought it in April before I took my CWP course) and decided maybe it was too big so I then purchased the Taurus 709 in Aug of 2009 after I received my CWP permit. I have not shot either gun that much, but (probably about a hundred fifty rounds or so in each gun) I do have a friend who is 74 years old (I am 66) and has been shooting guns since he was a child and has given me some good advice. (realize I need to get in a lot more practice) After reading this forum I am a little concerned about the Taurus 709 now as I have only shot that limited number of rounds through it. I have cleaned it several times and had a local gun shop owner check it after cleaning it the first time before I shot it again--but all was well) I shot Monarch, Winchester and Remington jhps and have not had any problem at all so far. I do hold that gun like it is worth a million bucks so that may be what has helped it fire with no problems. The Stoeger does feel like a much better gun, but a little large for carry, but I may change to it anyhow as I don't want a "plastic" gun exploding in my face. I have also purchased a Rossi 357 snub nose (R462) but have not fired it yet. I could purchase a 4th gun for carry if anybody has any suggestions. I might even get another 9mm as I have hundreds of ammo for the 9mm guns. I will probably be carrying the Taurus for now, but might consider some other guns that are maybe more reliable. Or is this like automobiles--you can find some people unhappy with every gun made today. I am new to guns in general, (about a year now)but obtained my CWP last August after taking the one day course in May and passing the tests required in SC. (only previous gun experience was in boot camp in 1965 serving my 6 months in the active duty part of my NG service–did learn how to tear down a M1 in those days–yeah-had an outdated weapon ) I bought a Stoegar Cougar 9mm for my first gun to carry (bought it in April before I took my CWP course) and decided maybe it was too big so I then purchased the Taurus 709 in Aug of 2009 after I received my CWP permit. I have not shot either gun that much, but (probably about a hundred fifty rounds or so in each gun) I do have a friend who is 74 years old (I am 66) and has been shooting guns since he was a child and has given me some good advice. (realize I need to get in a lot more practice)

After reading this forum I am a little concerned about the Taurus 709 now as I have only shot that limited number of rounds through it. I have cleaned it several times and had a local gun shop owner check it after cleaning it the first time before I shot it again–but all was well) I shot Monarch, Winchester and Remington jhps and have not had any problem at all so far. I do hold that gun like it is worth a million bucks so that may be what has helped it fire with no problems.

The Stoeger does feel like a much better gun, but a little large for carry, but I may change to it anyhow as I don’t want a “plastic” gun exploding in my face. I have also purchased a Rossi 357 snub nose (R462) but have not fired it yet.

I could purchase a 4th gun for carry if anybody has any suggestions. I might even get another 9mm as I have hundreds of ammo for the 9mm guns. I will probably be carrying the Taurus for now, but might consider some other guns that are maybe more reliable. Or is this like automobiles–you can find some people unhappy with every gun made today.

]]> By: hondyboy http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-27534 hondyboy Fri, 26 Feb 2010 05:54:20 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-27534 I've been carrying a 709B for several months in a CrossBreed MiniTuck IWB. I also bought a couple of belts with velcro. I mainly use the velcro attachments, and I find it very concealable and comfortable. Although, be careful on folding chairs! I usually carry at 5 o'clock, and I've have the grip catch on the underside of chairs a couple of times. It's a bit embarrassing, but I don't think anyone figured out what happened. I've been shooting for less than a year, but this is my 3rd pistol. I've put hundreds of rounds of numerous types of rounds (except WWB) through the 709, and it has performed flawlessly every time. Not one issue...and I've definitely limpwristed before. I too wish there were a magazine extension or extended mag, especially for my wife to use. I have practiced increasing my finger and hand strength to be able to hold onto the 709, and it's paid off. I'm very good at 30ft and good at 50ft. I'm don't like hearing about the poor experiences of others, but after reading about a lot of guns, it seems that every manufacturer has problems. Of course, poor customer service is where they can make it up. Hopefully, this will not be a trend for Taurus. I really enjoy my 709, and I'm hoping to buy another one for my wife. I’ve been carrying a 709B for several months in a CrossBreed MiniTuck IWB. I also bought a couple of belts with velcro. I mainly use the velcro attachments, and I find it very concealable and comfortable. Although, be careful on folding chairs! I usually carry at 5 o’clock, and I’ve have the grip catch on the underside of chairs a couple of times. It’s a bit embarrassing, but I don’t think anyone figured out what happened.

I’ve been shooting for less than a year, but this is my 3rd pistol. I’ve put hundreds of rounds of numerous types of rounds (except WWB) through the 709, and it has performed flawlessly every time. Not one issue…and I’ve definitely limpwristed before. I too wish there were a magazine extension or extended mag, especially for my wife to use. I have practiced increasing my finger and hand strength to be able to hold onto the 709, and it’s paid off. I’m very good at 30ft and good at 50ft.

I’m don’t like hearing about the poor experiences of others, but after reading about a lot of guns, it seems that every manufacturer has problems. Of course, poor customer service is where they can make it up. Hopefully, this will not be a trend for Taurus.

I really enjoy my 709, and I’m hoping to buy another one for my wife.

]]> By: Matt http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-27521 Matt Fri, 26 Feb 2010 01:43:26 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-27521 Luke, Two great guns to consider. Ruger Sr9c-- heard great reviews. Gun is still very new; however built on a proven platfrom of the Sr9. I own the Kel Tec PF9. As far as weight and size this gun takes the cake. The draw back is a stiff double action only pull. This might make it hard for your wife. This gun has been very reliable for me. Luke,

Two great guns to consider. Ruger Sr9c– heard great reviews. Gun is still very new; however built on a proven platfrom of the Sr9.

I own the Kel Tec PF9. As far as weight and size this gun takes the cake. The draw back is a stiff double action only pull. This might make it hard for your wife. This gun has been very reliable for me.

]]> By: David http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-27519 David Fri, 26 Feb 2010 01:35:02 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-27519 I am really happy with my 709 slim. I hate to read about the problems som people are having. another weapon that is similar but a little larger is the walther pps. I have never fired one though- so can't comment on it. It isn't a great looking weapon. The gun store where I got my 709 has not had one customer have a problem. they sell a lot of walther pps also. I am really happy with my 709 slim. I hate to read about the problems som people are having. another weapon that is similar but a little larger is the walther pps. I have never fired one though- so can’t comment on it. It isn’t a great looking weapon. The gun store where I got my 709 has not had one customer have a problem. they sell a lot of walther pps also.

]]> By: Rus http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-27513 Rus Thu, 25 Feb 2010 23:52:35 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-27513 Luke, I am researching that same issue for my wife. One local dealer praises the Kahr. Another likes the Walther PPS. I have not been able to get my hands on a Ruger SR9 Compact so I cannot speak on the gun. Of the ones listed above, I personally like the PPS. It has a nice finish, slim design and is reportedly very reliable. It is much higher priced than the Taurus, but I fall back on the old "Get what you pay for" addage and believe that to be correct. I personally carry a S&W M&P 40 Compact. I have never in over 40 years, had a problem with a Smith, present weapon included. For duty gunds, I carry a full size M&P 40 with laser grips or a Springfield XD9 with rear laser sights. All have been flawless. Before I buy another gun, I will rent one at the range and put a serious number of rounds through it before a decision is made. Rus Luke,

I am researching that same issue for my wife. One local dealer praises the Kahr. Another likes the Walther PPS. I have not been able to get my hands on a Ruger SR9 Compact so I cannot speak on the gun.

Of the ones listed above, I personally like the PPS. It has a nice finish, slim design and is reportedly very reliable. It is much higher priced than the Taurus, but I fall back on the old “Get what you pay for” addage and believe that to be correct.

I personally carry a S&W M&P 40 Compact. I have never in over 40 years, had a problem with a Smith, present weapon included. For duty gunds, I carry a full size M&P 40 with laser grips or a Springfield XD9 with rear laser sights. All have been flawless.

Before I buy another gun, I will rent one at the range and put a serious number of rounds through it before a decision is made.

Rus

]]> By: Ron Napierkowski http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-27512 Ron Napierkowski Thu, 25 Feb 2010 23:43:49 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-27512 Check this one out at aimsurplus. $170 Polish Radom P-64 9x18 Pistol Check this one out at aimsurplus. $170 Polish Radom P-64 9×18 Pistol

]]> By: Luke http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-27492 Luke Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:11:55 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-27492 Man, I'm glad I read this blog. It seems like its 50/50 to the extreme on the 709. It's either perfect or a lemon. I was looking at one for my wife. I carry a sub XD .40 that has been flawless but is a little wide for my wife. Any suggestions on another compact 9mm in a "slimmer" design. Man, I’m glad I read this blog. It seems like its 50/50 to the extreme on the 709. It’s either perfect or a lemon. I was looking at one for my wife. I carry a sub XD .40 that has been flawless but is a little wide for my wife. Any suggestions on another compact 9mm in a “slimmer” design.

]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-27430 Steve Wed, 24 Feb 2010 08:47:35 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-27430 someone mentioned better than spending extra for a sub glock, the price of the glock is well worth the investment of around $500. The glocks are made to chew up everything you feed through them and they will, believe me I've tried a wide variety. With plenty of great little upgrades you can't go wrong. I had a Tarsus PT-111 and had misfires on ammo that a glock spits out with out a problem. I also have some CZ's they don't like aluminum casing, sites are hard to see when needed for longer shots because dots are so small, otherwise next best to glock. someone mentioned better than spending extra for a sub glock, the price of the glock is well worth the investment of around $500. The glocks are made to chew up everything you feed through them and they will, believe me I’ve tried a wide variety. With plenty of great little upgrades you can’t go wrong.
I had a Tarsus PT-111 and had misfires on ammo that a glock spits out with out a problem. I also have some CZ’s they don’t like aluminum casing, sites are hard to see when needed for longer shots because dots are so small, otherwise next best to glock.

]]> By: Rus http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-27384 Rus Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:20:39 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-27384 Today's update... I am no longer the owner of a Taurus PT 709 Slim. I took it back to the dealer where it was purchased, explained the problem to the owner and he made me an offer to buy it back. I took a small hit, but education costs money. I definitely received an education with this firearm. Has anyone noticed something I think may be a little suspicious? According to the dealer, Taurus dropped the price of the Slim by $30 on 1/1/2010. He says it is the hottest selling gun on the market. Well, if it is that big of a seller, why drop the price? Has anyone else seen a price drop on this gun? If yes, does anyone know WHY the price was dropped? It just does not add up to me. Although I do not still own the gun, I want to continue to monitor this blog to see what the future holds for Slim owners. Have a great week. Rus Today’s update…

I am no longer the owner of a Taurus PT 709 Slim.

I took it back to the dealer where it was purchased, explained the problem to the owner and he made me an offer to buy it back. I took a small hit, but education costs money. I definitely received an education with this firearm.

Has anyone noticed something I think may be a little suspicious?

According to the dealer, Taurus dropped the price of the Slim by $30 on 1/1/2010. He says it is the hottest selling gun on the market. Well, if it is that big of a seller, why drop the price?

Has anyone else seen a price drop on this gun? If yes, does anyone know WHY the price was dropped? It just does not add up to me.

Although I do not still own the gun, I want to continue to monitor this blog to see what the future holds for Slim owners.

Have a great week.

Rus

]]> By: Ron Napierkowski http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-27381 Ron Napierkowski Tue, 23 Feb 2010 23:54:43 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-27381 Took my Taurus to my local gunsmith (Gorenflo) to have repaired. After talking with Taurus, I had zero faith in them. Feel safer paying Gorenflo to repair than having Taurus repair for free. I really did love the feel and size of the taurus but am looking for a new carry gun. Am hoping after Gorenflo's works on it they will tell me it will be a no problem pistol in the future but doubt it. Will check out the Sub XD Took my Taurus to my local gunsmith (Gorenflo) to have repaired. After talking with Taurus, I had zero faith in them. Feel safer paying Gorenflo to repair than having Taurus repair for free. I really did love the feel and size of the taurus but am looking for a new carry gun. Am hoping after Gorenflo’s works on it they will tell me it will be a no problem pistol in the future but doubt it. Will check out the Sub XD

]]> By: Mike C http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-27335 Mike C Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:28:39 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-27335 I`ve had my 709 since Sept.`09. I`ve had no issues with the gun until a friend in the Distributor business give me some frangible 100gr ammo to test before it hits the market. 12 out of 50 FTF even after doublestriking it. After checking with a micrometer we found the primers were set to low. I had a Winchester 115 FMJ case blow out the back (just above the primer ring) It blew a chunk of the frame off the gun exposing the metal inside. It was about 1/2" down and about 2 1/2" long. I`ve sent it to TIMI. Light powder burns on my hand and a flash to the face. (always wear your glasses) We then wore welding gloves and face shield and the thing still fires. Polymer frames are good for wieght reduction but with this 1 in a million case explosion, I`m leaning toward an all metal CCW pistol. Any suggestions on the smallest 9mm or .40 for CC? Walther PPS still has a poly bottom but I do like them. I`ve had my 709 since Sept.`09. I`ve had no issues with the gun until a friend in the Distributor business give me some frangible 100gr ammo to test before it hits the market. 12 out of 50 FTF even after doublestriking it. After checking with a micrometer we found the primers were set to low.
I had a Winchester 115 FMJ case blow out the back (just above the primer ring) It blew a chunk of the frame off the gun exposing the metal inside.
It was about 1/2″ down and about 2 1/2″ long. I`ve sent it to TIMI.
Light powder burns on my hand and a flash to the face. (always wear your glasses) We then wore welding gloves and face shield and the thing still fires.
Polymer frames are good for wieght reduction but with this 1 in a million case explosion, I`m leaning toward an all metal CCW pistol.
Any suggestions on the smallest 9mm or .40 for CC?
Walther PPS still has a poly bottom but I do like them.

]]> By: Matt http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-27333 Matt Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:59:48 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-27333 Hello Ron, Fortunately for me I purchased the Taurus from Academy Sports ( a large retailer in our area ), and their management team agreed to refund my sale. It took a lot of convincing however. Most local arms dealers will not refund a gun sale. I purchased my XD from a small local dealer in town, because Academy did not have the Sub XD. After reviewing many blogs on the XD I was not concerned about buying my gun from a small shop, where I knew they would not return the gun. I know this blog is not about XD; however it is the best firearm I own. It is very easy to dissassemble and clean. It fires +p ammo and all target grade ammos without problems. I don't want to sound like I'm slamming Taurus. I previously owned a P89 and fired the gun for years and had no problems. Unfortunately the new slim ( Great size and feel ) is built on a weak or under performing platform. Anyway if you decide on the XD Sub a great tuckable holster is http://highnoonholsters.com/Product_Line/Hidden_Ally/hidden_ally.html This link might help Dan as well. It sound like he just purchased the same Sub XD. Hello Ron,

Fortunately for me I purchased the Taurus from Academy Sports ( a large retailer in our area ), and their management team agreed to refund my sale. It took a lot of convincing however.

Most local arms dealers will not refund a gun sale. I purchased my XD from a small local dealer in town, because Academy did not have the Sub XD. After reviewing many blogs on the XD I was not concerned about buying my gun from a small shop, where I knew they would not return the gun.

I know this blog is not about XD; however it is the best firearm I own. It is very easy to dissassemble and clean. It fires +p ammo and all target grade ammos without problems.

I don’t want to sound like I’m slamming Taurus. I previously owned a P89 and fired the gun for years and had no problems. Unfortunately the new slim ( Great size and feel ) is built on a weak or under performing platform.

Anyway if you decide on the XD Sub a great tuckable holster is http://highnoonholsters.com/Product_Line/Hidden_Ally/hidden_ally.html
This link might help Dan as well. It sound like he just purchased the same Sub XD.

]]> By: Dan D http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-27314 Dan D Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:32:35 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-27314 Had same type of problems with my PT-709. Spoke with Taurus Tech support, nice people. They admit the gun has problems and are willing to ship and repair for free. After reading the review online on many sites I determined not to trust this gun with my life as I purchased for concealed protection. As with Matt (see above thread) I went out and purchased a Springfield XD Sub compact 9mm. I have fired 700 rounds (factory and hand loads) without any problem. I also own a full sized XD .45 Cal, nice gun no problems. Dan D Had same type of problems with my PT-709. Spoke with Taurus Tech support, nice people. They admit the gun has problems and are willing to ship and repair for free. After reading the review online on many sites I determined not to trust this gun with my life as I purchased for concealed protection. As with Matt (see above thread) I went out and purchased a Springfield XD Sub compact 9mm. I have fired 700 rounds (factory and hand loads) without any problem. I also own a full sized XD .45 Cal, nice gun no problems.

Dan D

]]> By: Ron Napierkowski http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-27277 Ron Napierkowski Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:39:59 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-27277 Just got off the phone with Taurus. They wouldn't refund my money (neither would Erie Sports Store where I purchased it) and actually hung up on me. I will send it in for repair but would NEVER recommend a Taurus to anyone! The Taurus rep told me to get it repaired and try to sell it. I asked them why I should take a loss on a new gun and they told me to do whatever I wanted with it. When I said will you refund or should I just bad mouth Taurus they hung up on me. I will purchase a new carry weapon but looks like I'm stuck with this piece of crap. Just got off the phone with Taurus. They wouldn’t refund my money (neither would Erie Sports Store where I purchased it) and actually hung up on me. I will send it in for repair but would NEVER recommend a Taurus to anyone! The Taurus rep told me to get it repaired and try to sell it. I asked them why I should take a loss on a new gun and they told me to do whatever I wanted with it. When I said will you refund or should I just bad mouth Taurus they hung up on me.
I will purchase a new carry weapon but looks like I’m stuck with this piece of crap.

]]> By: Rus http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-27253 Rus Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:19:35 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-27253 Matt, Did you take your gun back to the dealer or did you return it to the factory for a refund? I need to do the same thing with mine. I sent mine back to Taurus for three weeks and they sent it back "repaired". I took it to a CCW permit class to check it out. In 50 rounds, I had one FTF and three jams. Was I embarassed? You bet. No one else, firing a myriad of firearms, had any issues of any kind. I do not trust my life with this gun and I do not need a target weapon, so I am returning it somewhere. Thanks for your input. Rus Matt,

Did you take your gun back to the dealer or did you return it to the factory for a refund? I need to do the same thing with mine.

I sent mine back to Taurus for three weeks and they sent it back “repaired”.

I took it to a CCW permit class to check it out. In 50 rounds, I had one FTF and three jams.

Was I embarassed? You bet.

No one else, firing a myriad of firearms, had any issues of any kind.

I do not trust my life with this gun and I do not need a target weapon, so I am returning it somewhere.

Thanks for your input.

Rus

]]> By: Matt http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-27176 Matt Sun, 21 Feb 2010 14:21:40 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-27176 Hey Ron, After buying my PT709 I have had many FTF's. Read above (Matt threads) I have since returned my gun for a full refund. Since this gun is my primary ccw, I had no faith that it would fire when I needed it to. A good friend at work did a lot of research on the Springfield Sub xd 9mm. He bought this gun about 4 months before I purchased my Taurus. He fired over 1000 rds in the gun prior to purchasing my new Taurus. He had only one FTF and attributed it to his home package loads. Needless to say after I sent my gun in for a full refund I listened to him more closely. I decided that the extra $100 and the slightly larger sized gun was worth a purchase for my primary ccw. I have owned this gun for about 1 month. I have fired 300 rds with no FTF. Disassembly is also a smap( unlike the Taurus ). The Springfield XD sub is light years ahead of the Taurus pt 709 in quality and reliabilty. Hey Ron,

After buying my PT709 I have had many FTF’s. Read above (Matt threads)
I have since returned my gun for a full refund. Since this gun is my primary ccw, I had no faith that it would fire when I needed it to.

A good friend at work did a lot of research on the Springfield Sub xd 9mm.
He bought this gun about 4 months before I purchased my Taurus. He fired over 1000 rds in the gun prior to purchasing my new Taurus. He had only one FTF and attributed it to his home package loads.

Needless to say after I sent my gun in for a full refund I listened to him more closely. I decided that the extra $100 and the slightly larger sized gun was worth a purchase for my primary ccw.

I have owned this gun for about 1 month. I have fired 300 rds with no FTF. Disassembly is also a smap( unlike the Taurus ).

The Springfield XD sub is light years ahead of the Taurus pt 709 in quality and reliabilty.

]]> By: Mac http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-27167 Mac Sun, 21 Feb 2010 04:51:07 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-27167 I would guess that there is some oil or grease that has the firing pin safety lock stuck in. It is spring loaded and if it doesn't pop out it would lock the firing pin. Take the slide off, turn it upside down and see if the little round button that is back where the firing pin is depressed all the way or if it has some movement when you push it. It should go in flush and then pop back out on it's own. I would guess that there is some oil or grease that has the firing pin safety lock stuck in. It is spring loaded and if it doesn’t pop out it would lock the firing pin.

Take the slide off, turn it upside down and see if the little round button that is back where the firing pin is depressed all the way or if it has some movement when you push it. It should go in flush and then pop back out on it’s own.

]]> By: Ron Napierkowski http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-27154 Ron Napierkowski Sun, 21 Feb 2010 00:40:27 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-27154 Bought my PT-709 about a month ago and love it. Today I fired one clip through it and when I went to fire the second clip it would not fire. The firing pin isn't contacting. Keep it clean and know that's not the problem. Firing pin won't move forward. Any help? Hate to return it for service as it is my carry weapon Bought my PT-709 about a month ago and love it. Today I fired one clip through it and when I went to fire the second clip it would not fire. The firing pin isn’t contacting. Keep it clean and know that’s not the problem. Firing pin won’t move forward. Any help? Hate to return it for service as it is my carry weapon

]]> By: Lamar http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-26602 Lamar Mon, 15 Feb 2010 22:04:39 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-26602 Just got back from the range, put another 300 rounds. The gun performs great. I guess my prayer for a good gun worked cuz my lil slim is flawless. Thank you Jesus Christ. He answers prayers and saved me and saved me a good little Taurus slim. Officially my carry piece. Well broke in. Now u have to be careful not to limp wrist your shots or you will get a misfeed or double feed or failure to eject. I didn't wimp wrist and all shot were perfect. Also very accurate. Just got back from the range, put another 300 rounds. The gun performs great. I guess my prayer for a good gun worked cuz my lil slim is flawless. Thank you Jesus Christ. He answers prayers and saved me and saved me a good little Taurus slim.

Officially my carry piece. Well broke in. Now u have to be careful not to limp wrist your shots or you will get a misfeed or double feed or failure to eject. I didn’t wimp wrist and all shot were perfect. Also very accurate.

]]> By: mberini http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-26600 mberini Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:48:32 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-26600 got my 709 on friday feb 12 put 150 rounds with no problems.when i got it took it and cleaned it real good and oiled it.no problems.had to adjust the rear sight all the way to the left and it is still off.have to adjust a little different. and to all who are interested,the desantis pancake holster for the s&w sigma fits the 709 perfect.thanks to all who posted on this blog for all the good info before i bought mine. got my 709 on friday feb 12 put 150 rounds with no problems.when i got it took it and cleaned it real good and oiled it.no problems.had to adjust the rear sight all the way to the left and it is still off.have to adjust a little different. and to all who are interested,the desantis pancake holster for the s&w sigma fits the 709 perfect.thanks to all who posted on this blog for all the good info before i bought mine.

]]> By: Chuck F http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-26564 Chuck F Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:22:43 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-26564 Sorry, that was 119g Winchester that failed to extract. Sorry, that was 119g Winchester that failed to extract.

]]> By: Chuck F http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-26563 Chuck F Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:20:20 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-26563 I bought a 709 SS last Friday, and on Valentine's Day took it and my wife to the range. The second round stovepiped shooting 199g Winchester RN target rounds. Then every second or third round failed to eject. One or two casings would stick and had to be pressed out with a cleaning rod. They wern't really stuck, but wouldnt't free fall out. Tried two magazines, still FTE. I did shoot a clip of Speer Gold dot 147g HP rounds, all functioned correctly. My initial thought was that the target rounds were the problem. I saved three or four cases and returned it to my local dealer. I did not disassemble the gun or clean it after the range trip. The owner of the gun shop noticed that a few of the cases had a slight bulge. He said another buyer of the the same model had the same issue and he had the weapon to return to Taurus. He then took my weapon and a few rounds of ammo that I had purchased from him, and a few rounds of a different factory load. On the second test shot he fired the right side of the gun failed. Several small pieces hit his hand and right cheek. The right side plastic part of the grip assembly fractured and splintered. So, I bought the first new handgun I've ever owned, and the first Taurus and the first time a gun I ever owned litteraly exploded. It's also the last Taurus I'll ever own. The gun shop owner took the PT 709, and I now have A Ruger SR9C and two boxes of ammo as an even swap for my trouble. I'm keeping the gun shop, not the Tarus. I bought a 709 SS last Friday, and on Valentine’s Day took it and my wife to the range. The second round stovepiped shooting 199g Winchester RN target rounds. Then every second or third round failed to eject. One or two casings would stick and had to be pressed out with a cleaning rod. They wern’t really stuck, but wouldnt’t free fall out. Tried two magazines, still FTE. I did shoot a clip of Speer Gold dot 147g HP rounds, all functioned correctly. My initial thought was that the target rounds were the problem. I saved three or four cases and returned it to my local dealer. I did not disassemble the gun or clean it after the range trip. The owner of the gun shop noticed that a few of the cases had a slight bulge. He said another buyer of the the same model had the same issue and he had the weapon to return to Taurus. He then took my weapon and a few rounds of ammo that I had purchased from him, and a few rounds of a different factory load. On the second test shot he fired the right side of the gun failed. Several small pieces hit his hand and right cheek. The right side plastic part of the grip assembly fractured and splintered.

So, I bought the first new handgun I’ve ever owned, and the first Taurus and the first time a gun I ever owned litteraly exploded.

It’s also the last Taurus I’ll ever own.

The gun shop owner took the PT 709, and I now have A Ruger SR9C and two boxes of ammo as an even swap for my trouble.
I’m keeping the gun shop, not the Tarus.

]]> By: lostinbq http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-26395 lostinbq Sat, 13 Feb 2010 17:32:48 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-26395 well i just got mine back from its vacay due to fte's. thay replaced my ejector and said it was fine now. i noticed that the ejector went from a strait to a lil bend near the end. (ill post a pic when i get my camera back to show) tho i have been snowed in all week hooray for fedex (better than my reg mail who finally came after a week fedex came through 3 feet of snow lmao) so i will try to get to the range after i drop my kid off at school on monday to see if this fix was the case. on another note i read a post simular to ur's jay but to not go by neg posts cous its in our nature to say somthing ned instead of pos and with all newly made posessions in this world thay need a debug priod like with the xbox's( and 360/(and a ps3 witch i broke in 4 days lol) and i will say that there cosutomer support was a++ in my book so if u are gona send it in go a head thay told me 5 to 6 week turnaround but i got mine back in just under 4 weeks. ill post monday with the trial run! well i just got mine back from its vacay due to fte’s. thay replaced my ejector and said it was fine now. i noticed that the ejector went from a strait to a lil bend near the end. (ill post a pic when i get my camera back to show) tho i have been snowed in all week hooray for fedex (better than my reg mail who finally came after a week fedex came through 3 feet of snow lmao) so i will try to get to the range after i drop my kid off at school on monday to see if this fix was the case. on another note i read a post simular to ur’s jay but to not go by neg posts cous its in our nature to say somthing ned instead of pos and with all newly made posessions in this world thay need a debug priod like with the xbox’s( and 360/(and a ps3 witch i broke in 4 days lol) and i will say that there cosutomer support was a++ in my book so if u are gona send it in go a head thay told me 5 to 6 week turnaround but i got mine back in just under 4 weeks. ill post monday with the trial run!

]]> By: Jay W. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-26293 Jay W. Fri, 12 Feb 2010 12:05:59 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-26293 Brian- I did a lot of research on these types of guns before I bought the Taurus. There is a difference between teething issues and a poorly made or designed gun. Even with a small issue like mine shooting low, Taurus said that I should send it in and they would take care of it. That's not a problem as far as I'm concerned. I bought a $2500 trap gun from Browning that they replaced because it shot 6" to the left at 40 yards. I love that gun and have a lot of respect for Browning. I'm starting to think the same way about Taurus. As with any production item, you're lucky if you get a perfect one. But if you don't, thats where the quality of the service comes in. Jay Brian- I did a lot of research on these types of guns before I bought the Taurus. There is a difference between teething issues and a poorly made or designed gun. Even with a small issue like mine shooting low, Taurus said that I should send it in and they would take care of it. That’s not a problem as far as I’m concerned. I bought a $2500 trap gun from Browning that they replaced because it shot 6″ to the left at 40 yards. I love that gun and have a lot of respect for Browning. I’m starting to think the same way about Taurus. As with any production item, you’re lucky if you get a perfect one. But if you don’t, thats where the quality of the service comes in.

Jay

]]> By: David http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-26276 David Fri, 12 Feb 2010 02:41:50 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-26276 I have had such a good experience with my weapon. Other than my having a brief problem in the first 50 rounds, which I quickly identified as my wrist not being strong enough ( I had been shooting for an hour before trying the weapon, my wrist was sore,- so I just gripped tighter to correct it), I have had no problems. I have put at least 600 rounds through it. I did call the factory and found out that they do not suggest +P ammo, so after the first 100 rounds I switched to regular Federal JPH. I of course hate to read any negative experiences. Hopefully more people are taking the time to report negative experiences than the number of people who are taking the time to find a blog to post their positive ones. I will let you know if something changes, but I am very pleased at this point. I have had such a good experience with my weapon. Other than my having a brief problem in the first 50 rounds, which I quickly identified as my wrist not being strong enough ( I had been shooting for an hour before trying the weapon, my wrist was sore,- so I just gripped tighter to correct it), I have had no problems. I have put at least 600 rounds through it. I did call the factory and found out that they do not suggest +P ammo, so after the first 100 rounds I switched to regular Federal JPH. I of course hate to read any negative experiences. Hopefully more people are taking the time to report negative experiences than the number of people who are taking the time to find a blog to post their positive ones. I will let you know if something changes, but I am very pleased at this point.

]]> By: Brian http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-26265 Brian Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:05:16 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-26265 Wow. I was gonna buy one of these but after reading this thead I may be looking for other options. I went to my local dealer and was impressed with this little pistol and liked the way it felt but... Wow. I was gonna buy one of these but after reading this thead I may be looking for other options. I went to my local dealer and was impressed with this little pistol and liked the way it felt but…

]]> By: Jay W. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-25579 Jay W. Fri, 05 Feb 2010 00:16:27 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-25579 Mac- Thanks for the tips. I think I have most of what you mentioned covered except for the support. Good idea. I will try that this weekend. I spoke to the Taurus folks today. They said that the gun is in need of "repair". This is assuming that it is the gun and not the shooter. I will post back when I get more target data. Mac-
Thanks for the tips. I think I have most of what you mentioned covered except for the support. Good idea. I will try that this weekend. I spoke to the Taurus folks today. They said that the gun is in need of “repair”. This is assuming that it is the gun and not the shooter. I will post back when I get more target data.

]]> By: Mac http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-25508 Mac Thu, 04 Feb 2010 14:34:29 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-25508 I'd try it one more time from some kind of a rest situation. A sandbag or a good firm rolled up blanket or towel. Make sure you are using the proper sight picture. The top of the front sight is straight across with the top of the rear sight. Look at the sight adjustment directions one more time and make sure you haven't lowered the sight instead of raising it. You lower the rear sight and the bullet strike lowers. 8" low sound about like the lower limit of the adjustment. If you are not sure, try adjusting in the opposite direction that you have set it and see what happens, does it go lower? Not questioning your abilities just suggesting things to try before having a trip to Miami in your new baby's future. I’d try it one more time from some kind of a rest situation. A sandbag or a good firm rolled up blanket or towel.

Make sure you are using the proper sight picture. The top of the front sight is straight across with the top of the rear sight.

Look at the sight adjustment directions one more time and make sure you haven’t lowered the sight instead of raising it. You lower the rear sight and the bullet strike lowers. 8″ low sound about like the lower limit of the adjustment. If you are not sure, try adjusting in the opposite direction that you have set it and see what happens, does it go lower?

Not questioning your abilities just suggesting things to try before having a trip to Miami in your new baby’s future.

]]> By: Jay W. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/17/taurus-pt709-slim-sub-compact-9mm/#comment-25458 Jay W. Thu, 04 Feb 2010 02:25:38 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-25458 Just finished my first 100 rounds through my 709 slim. No mechanical problems at all. One issue though, Like some of the other owners that posted, mine shoots about 8 inches low. This is with the rear sight adjusted all the way up. I even had one of the "gun guys" that work at the range fire a couple of clips. He had the same results. Is this common and I should just compensate with the way I hold the gun, or should I call our friends in Miami? Thanks for the help. Oh by the way, I love this little beauty! Just finished my first 100 rounds through my 709 slim. No mechanical problems at all. One issue though, Like some of the other owners that posted, mine shoots about 8 inches low. This is with the rear sight adjusted all the way up. I even had one of the “gun guys” that work at the range fire a couple of clips. He had the same results. Is this common and I should just compensate with the way I hold the gun, or should I call our friends in Miami? Thanks for the help.

Oh by the way, I love this little beauty!

]]>