Taurus PT709 “Slim” Sub-Compact 9mm
The 709 “Slim” is a new single action only sub-compact 9mm from Taurus.
“SLIM” is the name of this suave new entry into the Taurus line. Elegant in Blue and Stainless this small, single-action-only could be found under a cummerbund or a pair of bibs. It’s what you have been asking for! No revealing lumps or lines makes concealed carry easier than that larger capacity gun you already have. Cool, neat and ready to go-the Taurus Slim will be your companion for a long time to come.
709SS model. Click to expand. Photo by Critter210.
Specs:
Caliber: 9 mm
Capacity: 7+1
Barrel Length: 3″
Weight: 19 oz
Length: 6″
Two models will be available. A Two Tone stainless steel slide model (709SS) and a blued slide version (709B).
The MSRP is $452 and I believe it will be shipping shortly.
709B model
Looks striker fired. Single action striker fired sounds odd, you sure about that?
the Springfield XD is also single action striker fired I believe.
looks almost like a Kel-Tec..
Yeah…… it is single action……
short trigger pull….
the cycling of the slide completely cocks the
striker and the the trigger lets it go…..
much shorter action then the sa/da taurus striker guns…
Ive has the 709 for a week and have put about 500 rounds through it ,no FTF or FTE. IT IS a double action pistol. My buddy has the KEL-TEC PF9, and IMO the 709 is easier to control as i can get 4 digets on the handle vise only 3 for the PF9.
question for tony. I just got the slim. Fits well in my hand 6′1″ 250. I fired 70rd pmc 9mm. Had 6 that did not fire( probably ammo), no FTF, but found it very inaccurate. I was surprised. It seemed to fire low. The recoil was very slight. I adjusted the sights and it was better but not as accurate as I hoped. Stayed the same at 25 to 15 to 7 yards. I will fire it more but I wanted to know if you had that problem. I have a xd40 which is very accurate( full size).
I purchased the PT709 Taurus slim last week. I put about 75 rounds through it yesterday, most of which were reloads. I had a box of target 115gr. winchester ammo, but had about 6 or 7 stove pipe on me before i gave up on them. The issue was the actual bullet was exposed just a little more than the reloads, and i suppose the spring on the clip was tight and pushing the unfired rounds bullet into the fired case during the slides ejecting, not allowing it to eject properly. The gun feels great, and with reloads it still grouped about 2.5 inches at 15 yards. I did have issues with it shooting about 2 inches left to begin with but 2 simple screws on the sights got it in the middle. Trigger takes getting used to, but kinda like my Jframe, you learn quiclkly when to expect the strike. For the price and size, given i find a reliable factory ammo, this is a steal compared to a Glock subcompact.
I finally found some different ammo( winchester 115g fmj, and federal 115g fmj). No problems with either, no ftf, fte. The problem ammo was PMC. Shot 150 rounds at 15 feet. I had 2 friends who have extensive experience, fire it also. We all had the same results. Able to punch the target but not as accurately as I would like( one center, 3 grouped high or low and the rest around the dial). I am still trying to dial in the sites. I find it more accurate at rapid fire. This may be do to the type of short barrel gun: small adjustments make a big difference. Gun shoots well, minimal recoil. Easy to break down and clean. I think I could hit a torso at 15feet but will keep firing it to see if it is easy to aim when it fully breaks in. Interested in others firing the gun. All of the expert reviews say it is very accurate. I hope I can agree with that in the future. I am also trying to get my hands on an extended mag.
Tony,
The 709 is a single action only pistol, not double action as you say. It is also striker-fired so it’s lacking a hammer and features a manual thumb safety. For traditional 1911 fans, the combination of single action and striker-fired is difficult to reconcile. Basically, when you rack the slide to chamber the first round and engage the manual safety, it is cocked and locked (condition 1). It is impossible to carry it in condition 2 because there is no hammer to lower. Carrying in condition 2 is usually not adviseable, but I mention it only to make a point. The 709 also has a firing pin safety so, in theory, the gun shouldn’t fire if you drop it. Only pulling the trigger will fire the weapon.
The single action was a major factor in my decision to go with the 709. Most of it’s competitors as well as the little .380’s are double action only. I find double action only guns hard to shoot accurately. You could make an argument with the little .380’s (Ruger LCP and it’s Ilk) that they are close range guns anway and it doesn’t matter because they’re point and shoot anyway. That is debateable, but a 9mm is clearly not just a “fight your way to the car” caliber and reasonable accuracy at a medium range is a big advantage.
Live Free,
Let us know if you find an extended mag, I’m looking for one also. Apparently some were shipped with 1 of each, but mine had two flush mags. The guy I bought mine from had 6 of them and none of them had an extended mag. We may have awhile to wait as they’re still churning out these dudes as fast as they can make ‘em. I don’t think extra mags are a priority right now.
I sent my gun back to taurus. Fantastic customer service. They picked it up from my house. I wanted to make sure nothing was wrong with the gun. They changed the extractor pin which I guess is a common problem with taurus guns. Went to the range today and put 100rds of winchester 115g through it. I made some adjustments with my grip and was able to group my shots 8-10 ring at 15ft. I think the reason I was spraying the target before was due to the short grip. The gun shot low because it was slipping down as I pulled the trigger. I needed a firmer grip and good follow through to be consistent.
I am very happy with the gun, and can now recommend it. I would feel comfortable with it at a distance across a street. It definitely took about 400 rds to break it in.
I am still waiting to get an extended mag. I think this would improve the grip and accuracy more.
I just bought my Taurus pt709 slim and when I got it home to clean it I noticed when I pulled the slide back the barrel had alot of play in it, is that normal or should I take it back.
I just got a 709 Slim on this last Saturday. I really like it. I haven’t had much time to play with it yet. I did clean it and shoot a couple mags through it. The first magazine full of 115gr WWB from WallyWorld had a couple cases that didn’t eject. Infact the case was left in the chamber almost like they were jammed. I thought maybe it was due to the fact that I hadn’t followed up the cleaning with dry patch, so there was oil in the chamber resulting in a alot of force going from the case going back on the breach. ( The fired cases had a differn’t look about them, They looked like they had drag marks from the chamber) I recleaned and dried the barrel and tried with a clip from Remington ammo and had no problems. I then shot some of the WWB and had no problems. I think I just need to break in the gun some more, but if someone could shed some more light on this I would be greatful.
Steve
When you say that the barrel is loose, do you mean with the slide pulled back locked open? If so thats normal, but if the slide if forward and the barrel is locked up and is still loose, that isn’t normal.
What gives? The PT709 pictured here and various other places across the internet is very different than the PT709 on Taurus’ website. This one appears to be SA, and is described as such by Dick Metcalf in Handguns, whereas the model on Taurus’ website is DA/SA and very different in appearance. Anyone know what I’m missing?
Nevermind. I found the answer. Prototype as opposed to production model. Too bad. I like the prototype better. Taurus turned a handsome prototype into an ugly production model. Everything’s got to look kinetic these days to appeal to kids. (That’s anyone under 40) Smooth graceful lines have given way to angular. And I hope someone from Taurus is reading this. Mechanically, I like the design.
I just hung up the phone with Taurus International and the official word is they do not make an extended magazine for the PT709. AND, they have no intention to make an extended magazine for this pistol.
So, if you are planning to purchase this weapon with the intent of using an extended magagzine, you will be sadly disappointed.
If I had the equipment, I would become a third party supplier for this item immediately.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news. Had I called a day earlier, I would NOT have bought this pistol yesterday.
i purchased the pt709 yesterday and ran into a problem or two(or more) with the firing. i did by the cheapest FMJ ammo for target but 15 out of 40 didnt fire? wolf ammo….anyone had any problems like this? fyi wolf ammo is russian.
I purchased a PT 709 last month and have shot 200 rds of 115 grain FMJ Monarch brand (Academy branded). No stove piping and recoil manageable. I had to adjust sight using sand bags in a resting position to find out where it was hitting, as I was shooting a pattern of 6″ to 8″ in standing position. I learned that the first round out of the magazine was hitting consistently within 1/2″ of target point at 7 yds in a standing position but realized the trigger was a much heavier pull on any subsequent rounds fired out of magazine. The best I could do after getting it sighted in was shoot a grouping of about 5″ at 7 yds. The SA trigger was a much heavier pull after first round. I took gun to gunsmith yesterday and the trigger pull varied from 3.8 to 4.2 on first round and 4 to 5.75 on any subsequent round fired out of magazine. Gunsmith had never seen a semi automatic with that much variance and said it should be sent back to factory. Called Taurus today and they will pick it up and check it out but trigger will be set at 5 to 5.5 in SA and if there is a misfire then goes to DA at 8 lbs. In my opinion this gun is too small and light to accurately shoot a tight 2″ group at 7 yds with a 5 to 5.5 trigger pull unless you are a professional shooter! I’m taking it to gunsmith dealer I purchased it from to get opinion on reworking the trigger and resetting to 4 lb break.
I just noticed that the description at the opening of this thread is incorrect. It lists the gun as 8+1 when in reality it is a 7+1. Now that they are really on the street, I think we need to clear up any misconceptions that came with the prototype.
Rus, I have updated it.
I shoot winchester from walmart, bulk box 115g fmj. I have had no issues whatsoever. It is sensitive to grip when shooting. With very solid grip and good follow through it is accurate at 15ft. In my hands if I do not pay attention I am shooting low left. I have not had a chance to change the sites but i may. Customer service from taurus has been excellent.
“…Wolf ammo is Russian.”
No, Wolf ammo is garbage.
Bersas (my first pistol) have the same problem. They will fire anything, *anything*. But not wolf. It’s just terrible ammo with low quality control.
gd
I put 400 rounds of winclean 125 grain through my new Slim PT 709 without a problem. Then put 25 rounds of corbon hollow points plus P 125 Grain-which is what I use in my glocks, and had several stove pipes and gun did not handle as well. I called Taurus and they said they do not recommend plus P ammo. So I switched to federal classic 125 grain Hollow points, put through another 50 rounds and that worked great.
Let’s hope we will still see an extended magazine. Great gun.
I purchase my 709 on Sept. 26. Love the gun but I am having some firing issues. I am having a lot of misfires. It might go through a clip without any problems but then you might pull the trigger 5-10 times and nothing happens. Pull clip, clear round, put round back in clip, rerack and still nothing fires. Then finally it will fire. I will be calling Taurus tomorrow. Anyone else haveing this issue?
I bought my pt709 a few months ago. First trip to the range I couldn’t get through one magazine without a failure to eject. I sent the gun back to Taurus and they replaced the extractor and sent it back to me. I took it to the range this weekend and the problem still exists but is moderately improved. Had three jams out of 50 rounds (Winchester NATO 124 grain and Remington 115 grain). I am very displeased with this gun. I guess I will try to send it back again but am getting tired of messing with it. Is Taurus capable of fixing this gun or does this model suffer from such poor quality control that it is a lost cause? I would like it if they would just keep this one and send me a new one. Does anyone know if they will do this?
A relitive of mine had the same problem. She ask me to go to the range with her to see if I could troubleshoot the prob. I noticed with each misfire she was riding the slide forward while racking or had a weak grip of the pistol. Had her to start pulling it all the way back and just release it when racking it and to apply a firm grip to reduce the rise during recoile . It must have been a seating issue with the round because after that no misfires. Hope this helps u 2.
My wife’s new PT709SS had some FTE stovepipes on the first trip to the range. I contacted Taurus International and they sent FedEx to pick it up and take it to Florida for a physical.
It should be returned around Thanksgiving.
It is a great pistol aside from the fwe FTE’s.
I am actually thinking of buying another one for myself.
I just picked up a PT709 today and am dying to try it out this weekend. I’m gonna try to put 150 rounds through it, but with two 7 round mags, that should take a while.
If I have any problems, I’ll post’em here.
Have fired over 300 rounds with the PT709 and love it. Not one issue or problem. This little 9mm is a winner in my book. I like the slim design, light-weight, fantastic to carry. Have a Glock 19 9mm but for carry this puppy is fantastic. Good looking gun as well.
I purchased the PT709 a couple of weeks ago and aside from only 2 FTE’s after 200 rounds, I am pretty pleased with the results. The FTE’s were with +P rounds, but it handles and shoots great with standard 115 and 124 grain rounds. I did have to adjust the rear sight just a bit to raise it, but all in all I’m happy with my purchase.
I purchased a SS version of the 709 for my upcoming CC course. Put 50 rounds winchester 115 FMJ and 50 rounds of NATO ball rounds through it with many failure to fire incidents (about 25 %). For the debate on SA/DA if you have a failure to fire the 709 will trigger pull in DA) I disassembled and re-cleaned and re-lubed the firing pin mechanism and fired an additional 25 rounds though the gun with no problems. Opted to qual with my trusty P-85. Will put some more rounds through the 709 and post if the lube/cleaning of the firing pin was the culprit.
My 709SS was just returned from its Florida vacation at Taurus International. They replaced the extractor and adjusted a magazine. They test fired 28 rounds of unknown ammo and said it is fine. I plan to take it to the range next week for my own evaluation of “fine”.
It took exactly 4 weeks and the communication was great. I had my own customer service rep that I could call direct about my gun and its issues.
I have to give Taurus and A+ for customer service.
My only concern is the number of guns awaiting repair in front of me causing the four week delay. That must be a great number of firearms to cause a delay of four (4) weeks.
After having bought a couple of Taurus pistols, the 709 and a Mil Pro 9, I think I can say with some certainty that Taurus pistols are very fanatical about cleanliness.
The firing pin channels must be absolutely clean and lubricated or you will experience FTF’s.
As a lifelong Smith and Wesson purchaser, I am having some second thoughts about these Taurus pistols with the FTF issues.
One of those concerns is the Taurus remedy to the problem…just keep pulling the trigger.
In the time it takes to pull the trigger another time or two, you could be too dead to accomplish that task.
No matter what the factory says, I still have a little reluctance in the back of my mind that my Smith’s and my Springfield XD-9 does not create.
I have never had a Smith FTF or FTE. In the limited number of rounds powered through my XD-9, (about 100) I have never had an FTF or FTE. The first three rounds that failed in my Mil Pro shot just fine in the XD.
I will let you draw your own conclusions. It just wanted to supply some objective findings for your consideration.
I purchased a TAURUS PT 709 October 30, 2009. First trip to the range i had 17 combination double feed/ failure to extracts in 150 rounds. I called Taurus customer service and returned the gun to them, i have called 4 times and they have yet to begin repairs on my new gun, they also dont seem to be too concerned about it, they say it will be at least two more weeks before i can expect anything from them- at least the customer service matches the pistol- both are worthless. If i ever get it back and they can fix it i will trade it for something else. I write this to warn others so they wont have to go through the same disaster. I WAS TOLD I WOULD BE LUCKY TO GET THIS GUN BACK BY CHRISTMAS BY A CUSTOMER SERVICE REP. I wasted good money on this Taurus and still dont have a concealed carry gun- please everyone stay away from these guns and make a better investment than i did
UPDATE. After a second cleaning and oiling of the firing pin mechinism put 200 rds of mixed NATO, Winchester, and Blazer ammo (all 115 gr,FMJ) with no FTF,FTE issues. I am feeling more confident now with this gun.
I see several comments on the action of this gun. I just purchased one. It is actually double action trigger pull and shortens to single action trigger pull once you rack or cock the slide (kind of odd that it is designed this way as you cannot decock a striker/sear system). It is a bit wierd to get used to after onwning several hammer ( SIG P228 and Browning Pro 9 )SA/DA ( or DA/SA) guns but not too much different in function once your familiar with it. I used to own a glock 26 and hated it. I really like this Taurus in comparison. Although its the first Taurus I have owned I’ll seriously consider others.
BTW Guys….I notice that some of you are having misfeeding issues with these. Remember polymer frames require very a firm grip and wrist to avoid frame flex which can and will cause misfeeds. This information is actually printed in my Browning Pro 9 manual if you can believe that. Once I followed what I read I eliminated misfeeds with my Browning Pro 9. I’ll expect this pistol to perform similarly that the Brownings and SIG I have. All of which I love. I am confident of this pistol as well.
Also try Cor Bon ammo. It still falls within SAAMI specs but much heavier recoil than other commercial ammo.
Chris…
Thank you for the great insight into the break-in process for this (and other) weapons.
I looked in the Owner’s Manual for the PT709 and there was no mention of the number of shots needed to break in this weapon. Do you have a recommended number of shots?
I need to take the gun and my wife bck to the range to firm up our confidence in this gun.
You mentioned some torque in the polymer frame and it needs a firm grip.
I am sure two hands is no problem, but how well will the gun react with a one handed self defense grip on the weapon?
Any suggestions?
And finally, keeping in mind I am no ammo expert, is the Carbon too much for the 709? Again, there was no real reference as to what ammo is or is not acceptable in the OM.
Thanks…Rus
Thinking about buying the Taurus slim. Been reading alot if info on FTF, FTE, and bAd customer rep. Well it’s 12/18/09, and I wanna hear about any other stories since the pt709 has been out for a little while. Please comment u could be saving me time and money or introducing me to a ccw pistol. PLEASE HELP
Lamar,
I think about everything that can be said has been said on this forum.
General concensus…this goes past the labor pains and shows you the baby.
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Great looking, well-fitting and easily concealed weapon.
Recoil is very managable.
The price is right.
It needs a 150-200 round break-in period.
95% of people think Taurus customer service is great (myself included).
Holsters (size 5C) are becoming more readily available.
9MM ammo is easy to obtain at a reasonable price.
The only real draw-back at this point is the fact the Taurus has NO plan to develop an extended magazine for this weapon.
After I help my wife break in her 709SS, I will decide if I want to purchase one as a BUG for myself and purchase one as a BUG for my son.
I hope this helps whittle it down for you.
I have put at least 500 rounds through mine and really like it. I find that it performs better when I do not use +P, in terms of easier to handle the weapon becfause it causes less recoil. in the first 50 rounds I had no problems shooting Winclean ammo. Then in the next 20 I had two stove pipes when shooting Corbon +P. BUT I had been shooting other weapons for an hour before shooting the pt709 and my wrist was tired. I suspected I did not have a tight enough grip- so I gripped harder that day as I put 200 rounds through it and it never happened again. I also called Taurus and they told me that they did not recommend +P.
I would suggest this weapon. I have the Kahr PM9, and I like this better in terms of finish, fit in my hand, lower recoil, and how well it shoots. It breaking down like a glock is a great plus.
On another note- I purchased a diamond back 308 yesterday, and that is definetly worth a look- if you are thinking of a Kel tec 380 or Ruger- LCP- as it is more like a baby glock and feels much better in your hand that those two weapons and has a much better finish.
Man to Rus and David
I appreciate the feedback and I’m going to pick one up tommorrow. I just needed someone else to tell me what I noticed. I didn’t want to be biased. We t to the gun dealer and held a Pf9, Pm9, sccy, slim, and xd….then I bought 300 rounds and knew I was gonna get the slim. I wanna get it before the price goes up. Hope they keep there price low. But once again thanks!!!!!!!! Hope I get a good one.
Do they make the ctc lasr grips for this gun, the pt709 Slim?
How do u clean out all the gunk n goo in the slim. Just bought it. Don’t wanna mess anything up. Appreciate the help.
I wanted to clarify the initial failure to fire issue I experienced with my gun. My issue was rather a light strike rather than a feeding issue (which I have had none) The rounds that didn’t fire had firing pin strikes on the primer yet did not fire (light strikes). Loaded them into my Ruger P85 and each and every one of the rounds fired, which lead me to the firing pin mechanism. A second cleaning/oiling with Hoppes seems to have “fixed” my problem. I have over 500 rounds through the gun with no issues.
This gun needed a through cleaning from the factory,at least 100 rounds through it,(it does not handle +p ammo very well) adjust the sights.and it is an excellent ccg.
So I have to send the gun back to the factory to have it cleaned.
I really appreciate all the help. Also where can I buy the hoppes product. Is it at Wally world. And step by step how do I clean this gun.
I have so many questions, I was gonna get smart carry holster what are the pros and cons of his holster. Also I was gonna wear it everyday perferably IWB, so I’m leaning more toward the SS vrsion apposed to the Blued. Is that a good or bad choice? Jus curious n thanks to all who replied to the thread. Very very vey grateful. Merry Christmas.
Lamar,
No you do not need to send your gun back to the factory for cleaning. I would recommend that when you buy your gun, have the dealer show you how to disassemble/assemble it Practice a few times before you leave the store. Additionally buy a gun cleaning kit when you purchase your gun and have your dealer show you how to clean your gun also. Good luck with your purchase.
Lamar,
The gun comes with an excellent manual. It breaks down just like an XD. Make sure the gun is empty, pull back slide, breakdown button and pull the trigger to release the slide. There are many sites on utube on how to breakdown and clean guns. walmart and others sell all in one cleaning kits.
Of note , this is not a beginner gun. It takes as noted, in the many comments a very firm grip, steady trigger pull to shoot accurately at 7 yds. I have seen videos of a guy shooting a compact revolver at a 100yds but I would consider that a miracle. I have a very nice xd 40 5″ that is very accurate at 25 yds. I have the taurus as a concealed carry( it and the walther are the only 2 guns that are thin and subcompact). I would trust it at street distance only. I will shoot it more and may change my opinion but that is where I am now.
As far as quality issues. The gun costs me 275. It shoots well with the right ammo. I could probably hit a torso at 15ft. It has reasonable recoil. The customer service is excellent. I would probably improve my aim with an extended grip( It would not jerk as much ).
I also have a target 22, very accurate but it is target only.
I did not like the feel of the Kahr, nor keltec. The Walther PPS was very nice at 500 more. Shot a subcompact glock 40 and hated it. I have tried revolvers and just do not like how they shoot, but I understand they always fire when the trigger is pulled.
Bottomline, good value for the money. There are better options for more money but that may be user preference.
I have several guns just never had one with so much goo and factory gunk in the hammer area. Wondering how to get all that gunk out with out totally disaembling the firearm. Like taking the pin, hammer, trigger, etc. Out of the frame portion. Thanks for all the feedback yall.
Also anyone own a crossbreed supertuck holster. How are they?
After getting it back from the manufacturer for the second time they finally got it right. I put 100 rounds through it without any failure to ejects. I did have two failure to fires. I put those two rounds in my S&W and they fired no problem. I will say that the gun was very clean so it may be reasonable to expect a 2% failure to fire rate. And guess what, each time you send your gun in to be worked on it comes back full of gunk just like it had when you bought it.
Just wanted to make a correction. I bought the gun for 375.
I clean my gun thoroughly each time I use it and have not noted the gunk that the above are talking about. I would guess that any solvent should dissolve it. I have not noted any problems with the gun anyway.
As an update , the american rifleman Jan 2010 has just posted a review of the slim. As a summary, they fired 200+ rounds with one misfire. 2″ groups at 15 yds with a sandbag rest. They have also elucidated the trigger. It has the same pull weight for each shot, ie: it may be a double single but works like a double action always.
They see the gun as a reliable good value for what it is.
I have not carried it concealed yet. I will look at the pocket holsters because I am not sure that I want it on my waist because of alot of time in a car. Very cold here so I usually have many pockets in my coat. Summer, I like the cargoes.
I do agree that I wish the gun had an extended mag.
I purchased the 709 for my wife, but it shoots low, can I adjust the rear sight to fix this. If so, how? Thanks!
southerngent1969
Page 19 in the owners manuual has the procedures to adjust the sights with the key provided. I adjusted mine on the second firing.
I’ve had the “slim” for about two months and 500 rounds now. At 15 yards this little guy is spot on. I have large mitts and the fit is perfect; I don’t feel like I’m shooting a toy gun. The 15 yard targets were getting boring, so I moved it back to 50 yards. The guys were ready to take bets and thought “No Way, is he going to hit that btarget”. After 3 shots using “Kentucky Windage”. I was nailing the target. This little gun is pretty amazing. Nice trigger pull, and a very short reset. I’m very confident carrying this gun. Also have a Taurus 92 that couldn’t find the 50 yard target, likewise for my FNP-45. The Slim was the only one to get the job done.
Anyone know if the supertuck works or what holster to use. What about a ctc laser anyone got some feedback on that.
The best holster that I found is an “Uncle Mikes” canvas holster with the heavy metal clip ($20 Bass Pro). I’m right handed, so I set it up as a lefty, and use it for the small of my back. The heavy metal clip keeps it in place while drawing. I believe this holster is for external wear, but makes a dandi IWB carry holster.
Cleaning; I use a product called Paslode. It is a degreaser solvent for pneumatic tools. It is cheaper than Birchwood Casey solvent, and works just as well. It’s about $6 a can at Home Cheapo, and Lowes. I use this for the heavy gunk and cosmoline they use at the factory, then follow up with some Hoppe’s Solvent, and then strategically oil. Never had a problem.
I just put 150 rounds of assorted range ammo through mine and had 0 FTF/FTE. I am a bit bummed that Taurus is not making extended mags for it, maybe we need to flood them with requests!
I have confidence in the gun for reliability, just be sure to choke the H%#$ out of it!
Does anyone know an email address where we can write to Taurus to express our desire to have an extended capacity magazine? I think we need to flood them with requests for an extended capacity magazine that has a good flush fit that looks like an extension of the weapons (versus a cheap looking and feeling version like the Kahr pm9 has), and we need to put the word out to other owners to do so. Seems like a no brainer for them to do this, but I called them and at this point they have no intention of doing it- so we need to let them know that they will sell a lot more of these weapons if they do so.
What do u mean by startegic oiling. Does anyone know what that means?
Thanks to all who have responded you have been very helpful.
Also if u have anyhing to add please do so. It helps alot. Thanks!!
I’ve had mine for several months….. never had a misfire…… I’m going to assume that everyone knows to disassemble the pistol and clean the packing grease before taking it to the range…I take my plastic guns and throw them in the sink with hot water and dishwashing soap then make sure they are completely dry and oil the slide and moving parts lightly……. It’s a good solid design….. I’ve shot wolf and WW and corbon through it….. it lives on my belt in a horizontal holster…… I can’t tell it’s there……
I agree that it would be easier if they had a website. Netflix does not have one either, and they also have problems. If they did , I would send every request I could for an extended mag like the beretta px storm or glock.
I assume strategic oil means the rail, slide and springs. Ben above is right, grip and trigger handling is everything.
Happy New Year
I just purchased my 709 a few weeks ago. I put 300 rounds of Remington 124 gr ammo and had 6 FTF’s. Not to bad considering the gun was new. I just recently ordered 1000rds of Lellier and Bellot ammo from Cableas. I went to the range today and LOADED 150 rounds of the ammo and started my target practice. I had 32 misfires in 150 rounds. So I asked myself is this the ammo? The range owner took 7 of my misfired rounds and fired them through his Glock 9mm. All 7 rounds fired perfectly.
PS all 32 misfired rounds were fired twice –trying to ignite the primer….and still failed. Needless to say I sent it back to Taurus today. I’ll keep you posted.
As far as concealed carry holsters. I found one of the best holsters on the market. I have been carrying concealed for 15 years, and finding a comfortable location and holster is key. I found since I’m right handed to carry my gun at the small of my back with a left handed holster. Using a left handed holster is key if you are going to carry at the small of your back. See this website for a great 709 holster. I also prefer a very concealable holster for jean and t shirt attire. You will need a tuckable holster like this one. http://www.highnoonholsters.com/Product_Line/Alter_Ego/alter_ego.html
All feedback is good. Couple of q’s. Can u really set the gun in dishwater?
-About how many rounds does it take to break in the gun?
-Do u have to send in the warranty card that came with the gun to get your lifetime warranty?
- anyone tried a minituck crossbreed holster for this gun?
- Is 500 rounds sufficient enough to break in the gun/ and how do u know u need to send the gun back to Taurus.
- Do all of these go back or is it a couple out of so many hundred. Jus curious.
Thanks to all who have kept this thread going. Really appreciate it. Also I got a uncle mikes #15 holster for right now but looking for something better.
Hi, I just purchased a Taurus PT-709. I had no problems the first couple of times to the range ….200-300 rounds. Last two times started getting light primer strikes on more then 20 rounds and several misfeeds. I always clean my weapon on the day I shot and then the following day so a clean weapon is not the issue. I also tried four different types of ammo…Winchester, Federal, International and Speer (115 to 124 Grain) HP and FN. Each brand had problems.. I recently tried a new cleaner which I beleive is GS-7 and though maybe this was the issue so I went back to Hoppes with similar results. Does anyone have a suggestion. Thanks Dan
Hey Dan,
I as well cleaned my gun after every day of firing. Cleaning for me was not the problem.
My gun was sent to Taurus yesterday. After researching futher I have found many people who are complaining of light primer stikes and have sent the guns back to Taurus. According to the few blogs I read Taurus had their guns for about two weeks and replaced the striker spring. Anyway I will keep you posted here on the blog once I receive my gun back.
Matt,
Thanks for the update. I wonder if Taurus is upgrading the striker spring or if they had a bad batch? Since my second cleaning of the striker spring assembly I have had no problems but if its an upgrade then I might consider sending mine back.
Well the 709 is all clean. Every nook an cranny. Relived and it’s been sittin for 2 today checked and cleaned. Goin tobthe range plan on putting about 200-300 rounds through it and I will be back for the update. Using WWB walmart rounds, box of monarchs, some hallow points, and a mag of these remingtons. Well we will see if I got a new carry piece or a piece that I will need to send back to Taurus. Pray for me. Well pray for my gun.
Thanks to all who replies to my threads. Well seE ya in about 3-4 hours.
After month of research and effort to get the gun, and through it all I have finally made a descision. The Taurus 709 Slim will be my new ccw. I put 350 rounds through it and it was very very nice. 50 remington, 150 Winchester white box from walmart, 150 monarch brass jackets from academy. I had altogether 5 light strikes (3monarchs 2 Winchester). They fired once I released the trigger and gave it a dose of the DA with the 2 strike capability. 2 stove pipes due to limp wristing, and 2 double feeds due to the cheap monarch ammo I was using. All in all I was at the range for 3 hours nonstop shooting. I also noticed I had a little too much lube sole was leaking from the gun. Lesson learned. I shot crappy ammo and got the most problems. The gun shot high and to the left but I adjusted it and it was awesome! I’m not tryin to sell these guns but I was very very skeptical of this little concealabe beauty and am satisfied with it. Is it a high dollar gun no, but I believe it will get the job done if I ever need it. All that and a lifetime warranty, makes the gun a great purchase. I got mine for $379. All I want with it is an extended mag and ctc laser grips. Very comfortable to shoot. It was alittle cold out there today and I didn’t feel recoil or anything it’s awesome shooting very fun. I would tell someone else that if u want one of these it’s really seems like it’s a win or lose. I prayed that the one I bought would work fine and I believe that prayers were answered. I’m assured that it will do what it was created to do: conceal, load a round, shoot, eject a round, and then load the next round! The gun is what all the good rviews say it is. No sugar coating. Straight up! Trigger good and light, mag drops, light to little recoil (get a good grip though), and I was really surprised at the accuracy. Really surprised.
Make sure u want it and Be ready because from ready the threads there’s se real lemons out there. But get one if u carry and go have fun testing and seeing for yourself.
I know the rumor; Taurus makes crap junkie unreliable pistol. But I’m tellin you thses are good. Well the good ones are n e way. The lemons not so good. But overall, I’m very very satisfied. It’s your choice. Um I’m a average guy I guess, who wanted a carry piece and didn’t want to spend all this money buying a gun and getting licensed to carry so I went with an econmical gun with great features; bad company rep, and ended with a jewel. $379 Taurus slim, $85 chl fee, $85 state register, $140 miscellaneous ccw stuff, $10 holster, $100 ammo, and getting the feeling of making a good decision and not believing all the bad stuff while being very satisfied is PRICELESS!
i bought my slim back on dec 21 and its 350 rnds later its off to the factory for FTE’s. shot verry nice the first 300 rnds, but, went to the range last night with 2 other ppl and. shure enough the FTE’s came along. now if it was just me thats 1 thing but, multiple FTE’s on one 7 rnd clip thats call for suspison. especially after it happpend on 2 other ppl{1 a viet war vet} who shoots a much higher cal all day long. but i called taurus and thay where very nice. thay will have it picked up on monday and back to me in {hopefully} in the next 4 weeks =( {taurus says thay will replace the ejector and tweek it for me} i hope that thay do. o yea i did try multiple ammo from win, remmi{ only 7 rounds from last shoot}, and lawman, the first rounds shot was the only 7 remmi i had {no fte} and the rest had like i said multiple fte per clip. so on that note, why would i have to depend on a certin brand of ammo when it all{besides the +p cous it is not recomended} should shoot and eject like a champ. still a verry nice gun and i can hit the bull 9 8 all day long from 25 ft. just like a game concole when it comes out, break it in a and send it back when the bugs are worked out to get the proper fix.
o yea the first 300 rounds where the win’s from walmart and remmi{100}
Thinkin bout sendin mine in just to be sure. Can’t hurt only will be without the gun for the repair time. I decided I need to run another 300 rounds to be sure. But like I said only the monarch brand ammo gave me issues. So we will see. Mean time I still love the slim.
Just bought a Crossbreed holster forthe slim. I’ve been wearing this set up for 1.5 weeks. I have to admit, all the reviews about the crossbreed Holsters are true. They are very comfortable and the tucking your shirt in part us also very true. No prints no see my gun. Very awesome. Get yourself a crossbreed. Their customer service is also very awesome and very user friendly. I emailed them a ton of times and got a answer each time. They are the best in my opinion. So if u need a IWB holster. GO CHECKOUT A CROSSBREED HOLSTER!
Been doin lots of research and all is on here!
Well after just too many failures to fire on almost all ammo the Slim is going taking a trip to Miami. While it is there I will have them check the loaded chamber indicator that doesnt indicate and the interesting wear pattern on the top of the barrel block from the milling of the slide. When it comes back I will re evaluate, but I gotta say I held a Ruger SR9c and it looked and felt real nice, larger capacity and extended magazine. Maybe I will just keep both.
I had my local dealer order me a PT709 SS and I was the “first kid” on my block to get one. The dealer had not seen one yet, and everyone at the dealer was quite curious what this new pistol was all about and what it would shoot like. When I got it home I grabbed 4 boxes of ammo. 124gr Chinese ball in a generic red box, Sellier & Bellot 115gr, Aguila 115gr and Remington UMC yellow box 115gr.
I started with the 124gr as this is what is listed for ammo in the owners manual. Shooting 7rds at a time I noticed 2 things. Gun shot way low and way left. Adjusted the sights and was now hitting in a 3 inch circle at 10 yards. That problem was now solved. I also noticed that the spent casings would get thrown anywhere from 20ft to my right and slightly back to hitting the ground right next to my right foot and sometimes ending up hitting my ankle. One warm one even went into my shoe. I shot 2 mags of the Chinese ball and then switched to the Aquila. On the 1st mag, the second round failed to extract all the way and the slide tried to load a new round up into the old casing. The spent casing was not stuck in anyway as it fell right out when clearing the jam. This happened 3 more times in 2 mags. I switched to the Sellier & Bellot and then the Remington. In every magazine with 7 rounds it would again fail to extract the spent casing 1 or 2 times in every mag. I switched back to the 124gr Chinese I started with and that was now failing too. Throughout all this there were no other problems. Needless to say I was not happy with visions of my new pistol having to take a Miami vacation for a month.
I took the pistol inside and cleaned it up and looked it over carefully. I found a burr on the extractor near the lower corner. I used a small file and cleaned off the burr. My guess is the burr was preventing the extractor from getting a decent grip onto the casing rim. This would also explain the eratic extraction with casings hitting at my feet or getting tossed 20 feet away. I went back outside and tried again. Now it is consistently throwing all the casings 15 feet away into a nice group and I’m happy to report I have now shot about 300 more rounds through it without a single failure of any kind. Ammo doesn’t seem to matter as I tried about 8 different loads and it is working perfect with anything I feed it. If anyone is having problems, take a good look at the extractor. That is where my problem seemed to be.
Sounds about right. When I sent my gun in Taurus fixed the extractor. I am waiting for cw permit and will look at the crossbreed. It looks nice
too bad eric u did not post this 3 weeks ago lol cous u could have save the vacation of my gun.. i noticed the same thing on my extractor kinda looked like it was bent a lil at the bottom of it. so when i get it back i got 2 boxes im gona test it with and if i see that again i will try your solution. just grind it away lol…. let us kno if u get another fte and a picture would be nice of the extractor.
I just purchased a 709 at a nearby gun show today. Been reading about it on line and have carried a Glock 19 for about 10 years.
I have only fired 50 rounds through it, no issues with that at all.
I am having a little problem when disassembling. I grip the slide with my right hand, hook thumb behind curve in grip. Pull back slide as per instructions and then pull down the two disassembly buttons. So far so good. Then while holding down the two buttons I slide the slide forward, it clears the retainer that the two buttons operate but then sticks. I can then move it further forward about 1/2″ or less and the slide stops. It won’t go forward any more. Sometimes I can force it forward and it is spring loaded. I think the spring that I am feeling is the striker spring. I think the projection on the firing pin that sticks down is hitting the sear on the trigger bar and that is blocking the slide from moving further forward.
I have wiggled it or pushed harder and gotten the slide to go on forward so it can be taken apart but every time it sticks in this same spot.
Am I doing something wrong? Have I missed some detail in getting the slide to come off?
Once the slide is back pull down on the breakdown button. Release rhe slide and pull the trigger. It should slide right off.
Just went to the range. 7 degrees and the gun was accurate. A few misfire s, but still accurate at 10 y
still having fun with the gun
Livefree, Hey, that works just fine. Did what you said, and held by the grip, put my thumb on the back of the slide pushed gently there and pulled trigger at the same time and the slide just slid right off like it should.
Many thanks for the tip.
Mac
I have owned my pt709 for a couple of weeks now. love the way it feels wearing it around the house. Have not had it out yet do to not enough time to prove it. have put about 100 rounds of hornady throug it, it shot great. no problems yet. can’t wait till i get the next 400 through it so i can feel comfortable carring it
Ok– I received my gun back from Academy Sports Via Taurus Manufacturing. Just to recap I purchased my 709 6 weeks ago. After firing over 300 rds through it the first week I had many FTF’s.
I sent the gun back to Taurus a week after purchasing it. They just returned the gun to me after having it for four weeks.
Anticipating great results I took my rebuilt gun to the local range. I fired 50 rounds of Lellier and Bellot ammo. I had 12 rounds FTF out of 50 rounds. I then shot 20 rounds of previously failed rounds. 10 misfired from these 20 rounds.
Like I did before I had the range master fire the remaining failed rounds and ALL shot again from his Glock 9mm.
After saying all of this unfortunately Taurus has made another unhappy customer. They will be receiving their gun back tomorrow.
I hope I just had a bad apple and you all will have great success.
Purchased the PT709 and fired several hundred rounds with no problems.
I love this gun because of the size for CC and like the safety features.
Looking for magizine grip extender for my little finger, and a holster otherwize a great gun.
Just finished my first 100 rounds through my 709 slim. No mechanical problems at all. One issue though, Like some of the other owners that posted, mine shoots about 8 inches low. This is with the rear sight adjusted all the way up. I even had one of the “gun guys” that work at the range fire a couple of clips. He had the same results. Is this common and I should just compensate with the way I hold the gun, or should I call our friends in Miami? Thanks for the help.
Oh by the way, I love this little beauty!
I’d try it one more time from some kind of a rest situation. A sandbag or a good firm rolled up blanket or towel.
Make sure you are using the proper sight picture. The top of the front sight is straight across with the top of the rear sight.
Look at the sight adjustment directions one more time and make sure you haven’t lowered the sight instead of raising it. You lower the rear sight and the bullet strike lowers. 8″ low sound about like the lower limit of the adjustment. If you are not sure, try adjusting in the opposite direction that you have set it and see what happens, does it go lower?
Not questioning your abilities just suggesting things to try before having a trip to Miami in your new baby’s future.
Mac-
Thanks for the tips. I think I have most of what you mentioned covered except for the support. Good idea. I will try that this weekend. I spoke to the Taurus folks today. They said that the gun is in need of “repair”. This is assuming that it is the gun and not the shooter. I will post back when I get more target data.