Walther Pistol Kompakt: PK380 .380 ACP

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Walther have scaled up the P22 pistol and produced the PK380, a .380 ACP chambered pistol.

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The PK380 features:

  • 8+1 capacity
  • polymer grip, steel frame and slide
  • 3.66″ barrel
  • Overall length of 6.5″
  • Picatinny-style rail
  • Ambidextrous mag release and safety.
  • Drift-adjustable rear sight.
  • Unloaded weight: 19.4 ounces
  • Width is 1.2″

Four models will be available:

First Edition: a limited series model with “First Edition markings”, holster and two mags.
Two tone: nickel-plated slide.
Standard: All black
Laser model: Standard model with laser

They should be available later this year.

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Photo Copyright Ken Lunde. Used with permission.

From the press release:

For 2009, Walther® has once again exceeded expectations with the introduction of the new PK380. Engineered on one of Walther’s most popular platforms, the P22, the PK380 delivers .380 power into a lightweight, ambidextrous pistol. Versatile, comfortable and nearly the same size as the P22, the Walther PK380 continues the company’s longstanding tradition of German innovation and technical expertise.

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  • http://journeytotheotherside.wordpress.com Nathaniel

    What’s the point? If you’re looking for a .380, there are much, much smaller pistols out there, and if you can carry something the size of this gun, you could easily find something in 9mm or .45 ACP. Way too big for the puny cartridge it fires.

  • guy

    Well, I can see someone who is very intolerant of any sort of recoil wanting a heavier pistol in a lighter round. Does the Bersa Thunder sell well enough to want to get into that market? This gun is almost the same size/weight.

  • http://www.hellinahandbasket.net James R. Rummel

    Nathaniel has a point about how smaller .380′s are available, and that would certainly be the choice for the average shooter. But guy also has a very good point about how people with reduced physical capabilities might want a heavier handgun chambered for a less punishing cartridge.

    I decided to chime in because an elderly student of mine found herself in a similar situation. Arthritis made the shock of firing a handgun painful, and she opted for a Beretta 86. That particular .380 weighs 23 ounces instead of 19 like the Bersa or Walther mentioned in the post above, but having a heavier gun to make shooting more comfortable sometimes is sometimes very important when choosing a firearm.

    guy asked if the Bersa .380 is selling well. I don’t have any hard data, but they are extremely popular with my students, as well as many women shooters. They are reasonably priced as well, with the SRP around $310 USD.

    James

  • pete

    I like this idea. I wish it was nine mm but .380 will do for now. This may mean the of the zinc slide p22 which would very welcome indeed

  • http://journeytotheotherside.wordpress.com Nathaniel

    That’s a very good point I hadn’t considered, James. You learn something every day!

  • Fred

    I like the idea of a reasonable defense caliber in a pistol that feels and handles just like my .22lr plinker. Yeah, there’s more concealable stuff out there, but I put hundreds of rounds through my P22 every month, so the muscle memory is there for all the controls and aim.
    Plus it’ll probably be cheaper than a PPK, but still says Walther on the slide so I’ll feel right when I’m wearing my tux if we ever get CCW in WI…

  • http://thedreamextravaganza.blogspot.com Reese

    James, I’m completely agree with what you’ve said. My mother has rheumatoid arthritis and we’ve been trying to find her a carry gun that she can manage in a caliber that won’t break her wrists. She can fire an S&W K-frame with ease but they’re too large or her to carry and the J-frames are too small for her to control. We’ve been looking for a pistol in .380 but most of them “are too small and don’t feel controllable” to her. We’ll have to give this a shot when it hits stores.

  • coker87

    This is a great idea from a great company. I just visited a gun show today and picked up every polymer handgun there. I did not find many pistols that I liked personally. Kahr, SA XD’s, Glocks, Taurus, KEL TEC, H&K, S&W sigma or M&P, and Sig Sauer all have something that poses a decisive factor in ones choice. Whether it is price, quality, comfort, reliability, warranty, looks, etc… something just was not right. There is something for what you want out there you just have to find it. Mousegun .25 cal to pimp-cannon desert eagles find what is right for your needs or desires.

    There is a market for the PK380 and yes it would be nicer in 9mm or .40cal , but the P99c and the PPS have that covered for Walther. I also love reading about how the .380 is a crap caliber but how many people have been shot with one and turned around to write how puny the caliber is. If you want to stop a train from a mile away get a Barrett. The .380 is for close range defensive protection not battlefield warfare or hunting.

    The price of the pk380 is just a attractive as the gun. The name on the side would suggest that it should cost more than it is advertised for. I like the fact that Walther is bringing a new .380 out with fresh technology and design. The PPK was great for years but time for a new dog with new tricks.

  • Chuck

    And then there are those of us who just love nice weapons, and can’t get enough of them!
    This is an attractive piece! I may have to get one!

  • Graham

    Hay,.
    I am loveN the look of these guys (Walther in general)
    I had the 22 and let it go becuse it was not as tough as the P99 I own.

    But anyway would like to get one of these guys with the steel slide..( thought that would be Normal ,but not in the 22)
    BUt why no slide lock …????
    what is the benifet of not haveing one.???

    Sorry for the long question ….Just a new guy who know Nothing>:)

  • Rick

    I am pretty sure the PK380 has a steel slide as opposed to the P22 alloy (zinc?) slide. There were many reports of slide cracks in the P22 – especially the target model -at least as early as 2003. I hope they have addressed that. I just picked up my first P22 at a recent gun show. I think it’s my next purchase; probably followed by the PK380. (Virginia is very open-minded about Concealed Carry).
    For those interested, Smith & Wesson (they market Walther in the US) has a VIP purchase program at significantly reduced prices and includes Walther. They are updating the application forms but should be posted soon. Check the web site/Customer Service.

  • Dave

    I have a p-22 and I love it. I’ve had it for about 2 years and have not had a single problem with it. I plan on buying a PK-380 as soon as I can.

  • Erik

    I can see why they would come out with this… The p22 looks cool, is cheap, and is a great starter gun w/ a lot of accessories. Now, if all my accessories fit on a pk380 and maybe it even fits in the same holster, it would be a great second gun. Plus, if the trigger pull is similar, you can practice most of the day on the p22, practice a little on the pk380, then carry the 380.

  • 1917-1911M

    Graham, there is clearly a notch in the left side of the slide for a slide catch mechanism. I can think of no other purpose. On the P22 the magazine follower button engages the stop when the mag is empty. I’m betting the same here. Why no release lever? Hmmmmm? Pull and slingshot to release? Man if I had gotten my hands on one at a gunshow I would have had to have that slide off for a good look inside.

    The PK380 has a steel slide, steel frame and barrel and steel front sight. Walther’s site lists them at $369 MSRP. I doubt that is going to happen when P22s are going for $450 around here.

  • Shooter

    The p22 here in Wy is starting for $300 and the dealers I have talked to say the PK380 will be the same from what information they have.

    I think it will be great. I am a big guy with big hands and so the p22 is a bit awkward to handle along with other small frame pistols. I am looking forward to having a small caliber CCW that still fits in my hand. The biggest size differnce between the pk380 and the p22 is in the height or lenght of the grip.

  • Brad Pfovard

    The .380 auto is an excellent round. I think the pk380 is a great idea. I own a P99 in .40 which I carry but I would not hesitate for a second to carry a .380. I’m sure it will be a blast to shoot and very accurate for such a small gun. People worry too much about whether the .380 is powerful enough to stop someone. It’s been killing people for years, and with the advancements in bullet technology as offered by Double Tap and Magsafe I wouldn’t worry about it.

  • Papa Ed

    I’m glad Walther is now making a copy of the P22 in a .380 version. I like hammers on semi auto pistols. I feel they are safer to use. I own and love the 2 – P22′s I have. I have owned PP’s and PPK/S’s in .380. They were excellent weapons and definitely packed a punch. 92 grain, .380 bullets can pass through a railroad tie at 10 feet. (And keep going!) Referred to as “Short” 9′s they have the ability to stop an assailant. I also own an XD Sub in 9mm. No hammer. I like it too but don’t love it. It is exactly what they say it should be. But, in my opinion, it’s not a gun you can carry with chamber loaded. I don’t think all this talk of a pistol being “concealable” is going to last. If your going to carry a gun legally, with the permit and the training, why should it be totally concealable? What are we trying to hide? The P99 is also hammerless. If they make a copy of the P22 in 9mm and .40, I think I’ll be in line for that as well. By the way, I’ve put thousands of rounds through my P22′s and upon magnified examination of the slides during cleaning, no micro-fractures, some small wear, and I use “Synthetic Oil” for the plastic frame, not organic oil.

  • dominic

    I JUST PURCHASED A WALTHER PPKS 380 AND WAS DISAPPOINTED
    THAT I HAVE TO SEND HER BACK FOR RECALL PROBLEM .S/W TELLS ME IT WILL BE ABOUT 16-18 WEEKS BEFORE I GET HER BACK IN MY POSSESSION. I WAS THINKING IN THE MEAN TIME TO PURCHASE THE NEW PK380 THIS GUN IS ABOUT .4 INCHES LONGER, .4 INCHES WIDER,BUT YET ITS WEIGHT IS ABOUT 3 FULL OUNCES LIGHTER IT ALSO HOLDS 9 ROUNDS VERSES 7 ROUNDS. WONDERING IF THIS IS AS GOOD AS MY PPKS 380. HAS ANYONE HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THIS NEW GUN.
    RATHER HEAR FROM GUN OWNERS VIEW THAN A S/W DEALER.

  • RJ

    If you have ever owned a Walther P22 as I do, then you know why the 380 is highly desired and I eagerly await its availability. My P22 is the smoothest shooting, most accurate, and smallest 22 I have ever shot. I am confident that the PK380 will be as sweet. Can’t wait !

  • Ruskull

    I own a Walther P22 & a P99QA. I love both guns & I’ve never had a single problem with either gun. The P22 is a bit more of a pain in the ass to put back together than the P99 though.

    I’m looking forward to purchasing a nice plain black PK380 to go with my OD Green P99QA & my Damascus / Stainless Slide P22. This new Walther just might be the perfect combination for concealed carry.

  • Brian

    I have two questions regarding Walthers: I have a PP (Interarms Imported) number 702XX and a TPH (non Interarms) 292XXX can anyone tell me a year of manufacture please?

  • Dave

    The point most of you are missing is that it isn’t a 9mm if you do the math a 9mm = approx. .350″ bigger bullets mean bigger holes for you carrying 9mm and think this is ok. I would want to see the balistics before making stupid opinions, everyone seems to have one of those. And for those that don’t like the looks, did you say that to yourself out loud. Are you going to compare it with a mugger before you use it? I like the tactical look in a controllable size for conceal carry. Bazookas will get the job done too, but they aren’t concealable and neither are most full size 45′s. I like the price and the fact that in the pictures with the laser it looks like it will still fit in a holster and it looks like it was molded right into the gun. I will wait to see what kind of personal protection ammo is shot through it for the ballistics reports.

  • Berry

    Puny? Let’s see if Nate describes a 380 ACP as puny after being shot by one or 8+1. I own a PPK/S in 380 nobody makes fun of it but I can’t hit a barn door with it. My P 22 is a pleasure to shoot because its light and I can hit with it. I own 9mm and 45 Rugers that I don’t carry cause you need a saddle to tote them around. I look forward to owning a PK 380 by Walther, being sure I can hit and stop a booger man without needing to wear suspenders.

  • Jeff

    I like the concept for this pistol. I’ve been a proud owner of the popular Walther P22 for for several years (since their first release) and I’ve found it to be an extremly light, agile, good shooting and durable weapon. Its often my first choice for concealed carry (and for dis-believers who think a .22LR round is too small for a self defense round, talk to the Israeli Mossad, they have carried .22LR chambered personal defense weapons for undercover weapons for a long time with great success).

    I like that the pistol has the similarities of the P22 because I’m well versed in using and shooting that weapon. It would be a painless transition. Additionally, I also carry a wonderful Kimber .45 and from carrying that what I’ve noticed is that the smallest pocket pistols that are chambered for a medium to large caliber have weight and “heft” to them that can make it hard to conceal on a smaller framed individual.

    Walther makes an excellent weapon. If the tradition lives on in the PK380, a consumer would be hard-pressed to find a more reliable, consistant and easy to shoot weapon – and when the adrenaline is running and your motor skills go out the window – easy is good.

  • Mike

    this handgun is orginally made for the GERMAN market, where 32 and 380 are much more popular. I have a P22, great plinker, I do dislike the mag release on the P22, but then it is of German design and not for defense like say a Glock. I do like the exposed hammer like on the P22, which is exactly wht I bought the P22

  • Dennis

    Some of these size arguments are irrelevant. The US 0.38 cartridge is referred to in Europe as the 9mm Kurz (9mm short). It is essentially the same ball ammo in a shorter cartridge.

    “The .380 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol) pistol cartridge is a rimless, straight-walled pistol cartridge developed by firearms designer John Browning. It was introduced in 1908 by Colt, and has been a popular self-defense cartridge ever since. Other names for .380 ACP include .380 Auto, 9mm Browning, 9mm Corto, 9mm Kurz, 9mm Short, and 9x17mm.

    The .380 ACP is compact and light, but has a relatively short range and less stopping power than other modern pistol cartridges. Even so, it remains a popular self-defense cartridge for shooters who want a lightweight pistol with manageable recoil. It is slightly less powerful than a standard-pressure .38 Special and uses 9 mm (.355 in) diameter bullets. The heaviest bullet that can be safely loaded into the .380 ACP is 115 grains (7.5 g), though the standard has long been 85, 90 or 95 grains (5.5, 5.8 or 6.2 g). The .380 has had somewhat of a recent upsurge in popularity, as have the compact and inexpensive pistols that make use of it. Popular pistols chambered in .380 ACP include the Walther PPK, Bersa Thunder 380, Ruger LCP, and Kel-Tec P-3AT.”

  • Boris

    i have owned a P22 for several years now and put a couple thousand rounds a summer threw it. although it is picky about it ammunition, simple CCI Mini Mags make it an almost flawless shooter. i only experience a miss fire maybe once every 3 or 4 clips. sometimes i believe its just a bad round. i said from the first day i shot me P22.. “man i wish they made this in a .380″. this is deffintely on the top of my wish list.

    as to the belief that .380 and .22 are underpowered..lol. the .380 caliber and been effetively in use for over 100 years!!! a slower moving projectial is actually more damaging then a fast moving projectial. a slower moving projectial is more of a shocking hit to the body and does more internal damage due to the fact the round will mushroom sooner and slowly tear its way to a hault. .380 hardball ammunition has more then enough power to shoot threw doors and walls of most any home, if the situation presents itself. federal laws says anything over 21 feet is not self defence. so how much muzzle velocity do you need at 21 feet or less?? ask federal air marshals why they carry .380 caliber sidearms. because a 9mm .40 .45 just might kill the 1 or 2 people standing behind the intended target, not to mention the walls of the airplane. so what will you do when a burgler is standing between you and your loved ones and all you have is a moose cannon that will most surely go clean threw a perp at 10 feet?? part of owning a firearm is being responcable for the lives around you, not just yours!!!

    as far as the .22… all i have to say is 4:1 rate of fire….i will have 4 .22′s center chest before you even think about a second shot with your hand cannon.

    “shoot a man with a .45, he never knew what hit him…shoot a man with a .22, you get to look him in the eye and talk shit while he dies”

  • http://msn.com Robert Williams

    I am an older fellow and new to defense with guns. The Ruger Mark III started things out well and the Walther P22 was a did well for me in an advanced course. I did find I need to load the mag slower than the other fellows because it tended to jam when doing it fast and hard. I was hitting the target better than most of the other fellows with much more experience. The P22 is a great gun and I look foward to the PK380. My Sig P232 is a great gun too. I think the P232 with laser handle grips and the Walther PK380 with green laser on my ankle will make a great defense team with my two 20 lb JRTs (dogs, those little fellows spot trouble and often turn it away, may never use the guns, thank god!).

  • SteveR

    Like a lot of others I’m thinking about getting the new PK380. This has been an interesting threat with a lot of good info. I do have one question for Boris. While you made some good points, can you tell us what federal law or court ruleing says that “anything over 21 feet is not self defense”. If someone is shooting at you from, say 25 ft., are you not in danger of serious bodily injury or death? Just wondering where your info came from, but then again considering the logic of our federal govt. I wouldn’t be too supprised.

    Steve

  • Papa Ed

    SteveR,

    I think that the 21 foot rule originated from the “Shooting inside the Domicile” as it used to be the prosecutors weren’t very fond of you shooting at someone trying to beat your kids to death out in the street 40 feet away. The 21 feet came from immediate deadly threats from inside your residence. We’ve had a case here in our city where an elderly man walking his way home from grocery shopping, shot and killed a teenage mugger with a CCA in his wallet. It was ruled justified and he took a pretty good beating prior to his use of defensive force. Our laws here have changed substantially with respect to CCA card carriers. And our “Castle” laws have been updated for the good of the homeowner protecting property and the lives of his family. I’ve a number of peace officers who have told me the prosecutors are aligned with the home owner who virtually empties the clip as it shows a decided sign of “Panic” rather than a clean shot to the heart.

  • Stevo

    Steve,
    I am a police officer in Texas and have been to the DEA school as well. I have never heard of any court case or law that says you cant defend your self at any range. I think what Boris is refering to is “the 21 foot rule”. “The 21 foot rule” is a study by the FBI in the 80′s that stated that a man that knows what he is doing with a knife can kill you faster than you can draw your gun and shoot from 21 feet or closer.

  • BLADES

    Yes, this is larger than most standard .380′s. Yes, it is a bit heavier than most standard .380′s as well. But this weapon has some added advantages that most standard .380′s don’t. Due to this added weight and size, it allows for added control and a reduction in muzzle rise and quicker recovery time, all of which are major issues when seconds count and your life is on the line. Yes, there are alot of smaller standard .380′s out there but some times smaller is not better!

    An added note: In actuality, the Walther PK380 is lighter than the Walther PPK, and is just a slight bit larger than the Walther P22.

  • Codeman

    I noticed something missing while reading this thread. Although this affects a small percentage of people, I’m one of them. The main reason I’m going to buy a PK380 is I’m left handed. All of the other guns mentioned in this thread are great guns and I’ve looked at them all, but none of them are truly ambidextrous. I want a gun that I can take off the safety, release the clip and release the slide without having to put it in my other hand. The fact that the PK380 is an excellent weapon in other areas is just a bonus to me.

  • notamoocher

    I already have a deposit at my local gunshop, really like my p22. My carry gun is a Kel Tec PF9, about the same size as my p22. but the PK380 just looks and sounds cool. I do have questions about the slide lock or lack of.

  • Graham

    I talked to Walther on Friday, I was told the with the August Holidays in Germany we may not see them till December or even next year.
    Not what I wanted to hear…

  • Stephen King

    I have carried a Walther PPK/S since 1974. With Corbon 90 gr. DPX ammo
    I KNOW it will keep me safe anywhere I decide to go!

  • Dwayne H

    Note to Walther, for how many people have the P22 and love it, I think you’re on track w/ the PK380, only a few things.

    1. Make it a true ambi-pistol and make the slide release ambi.
    2. Offer additional calibers like .357 sig and 9mm like the PX4.
    3. Offer color options that are currently available for the P22 line for any collectors that have a P22 and would like a matching PK380.
    4. Offer a threaded barrel connector like the P22 for us slient folks.

    Just some thoughts and have a great day.

  • Mike

    Hi all:

    Interesting discussion on this site – I am glad I can share my opinion. Friend of mine has Walther P22 and it seems to be great gun. Small, accurate, easy to carry and conceal. I wanted to buy the same gun, but I ended up buying conversion kit for my Beretta 92FS. However, my Beretta seems to be big when I want to carry it concealed in a public. So I wanted to buy something smaller for every day carrying. I found the Walther PK380, and I think this gun has a lot of potential. I still don’t own the gun, but my name is first on the dealer’s list. So as soon as it arrives I am getting the first one.
    Once I am done testing it, I will stop by again, and let you know how it went. We all have different preferences, but my preference in buying guns is to stick with good names – Walther is one of them
    Mike

  • Codeman

    I’ve decided not to wait for the PK380. Last I heard it would be December or even next year before they’re available. I get my CHL next month and need something now. I went with the Ruger LCP (380 cal). Great pistol, I love it. It’s a little harder to aim than my Walther P22 because of the small size, but its super light weight (less than 10 oz) and easy to conceal. I can barley tell I’m wearing it when I have it in my boot or waistband. It’s very accurate too. It’s not too bad for a lefty to handle (see previous comment). A price tag of $350 was nice too, and that came with two carrying cases, two clips and a pocket holster! I know a lot of CHL holders don’t carry because of the discomfort or hassle of carrying a larger, heavier firearm. I think I now own a weapon that I can carry on a regular basis.

  • Mike

    Codeman,

    Ruger LCP look nice, but did you know about recall on this pistol? Here it is to learn more:
    http://www.ruger-firearms.com/LCPRecall/index.html

    Good luck,

    Mike

  • Codeman

    The recall on the Ruger LCP only affected first year production. Any new LCP purchased today would have the recall corrected such as mine does.

  • http://www.thefirearmblog.com Steve

    S&W has announced that they are shipping the PK380!!!!

  • Mike

    Steve,

    that’s great news. I hope I will get my PK380 in next few weeks,

    Mike

  • Richard

    Walther started shipping the PK 380 at the end of Sept. I was able to buy one online for 314.00 and picked it up the Friday. I like the way it fits my hand and hope to get to the range this week to see how it shoots.

  • Kelly

    I own a Kel-tec p3at and a couple of j-frame S&W .38 revolvers so I don’t think I’ll buy one of these Walthers. However, should one of my CCW students ask, and I’m sure they will, I’d say that the pistol looks good. While the Kel-tec will do everything the Walther will do, and in a smaller package, it really isn’t a lot of fun to shoot. If I only had one concealed carry handgun and little experience, I’d want a gun that I enjoyed shooting. I expect my students to maintain proficiency and I think that they are much more likely to do so with something the size of the Walther or Bersa.
    In my opinion the .380 with modern high-quality ammo is an excellent concealed-carry choice. Much better to shoot a .380 well, than a .40 poorly.

  • Kelly

    Reese,
    I am surprised that your mother has trouble with a j-frame, I assume that she has tried one with improved aftermarket grips. How about a Beretta Tomcat? It’s not my favorite self-defense cartridge, .32 acp, but the tip-up barrel is popular with older ladies, and others, who have trouble pulling the slide back on autos. If she practiced enough to maintain reasonable proficiency, she can be confident in the capability of the .32 acp. It was the issued pistol cartridge for General officers in the US Army until, I believe, the early 1980′s.
    Just my two-cents worth. Best of luck.

  • Dave Olson

    I just finished cleaning my new PK380. Bought it yesterday and have had a chance to put more than 100 rounds of .380 through it. This pistol is as sweet as a jar of honey or fresh homemade pie. It will seem light in your hands if used to a heavier gun. I shoot cal .45 in both a S&W model 1950 and a 1911 Colt commander. I have a 9mm, .two S&Ws capable of .38 or .357. I have a Berreta .32 and a .22 LR. I had just recently sold a PPK/S. The ergonomics were wrong. Anyway after putting more than 100 rounds through this beauty, it has become the gun of my choice for CCW. Some one mentioned safties. It has two, one manual and one automatic. On your initial magazine load, pull back and chamber one round. The hammer is back. JUst move the safety to safe and pull the trigger. Nothing more happens than the hammer moves forward. I tried on the range today to see if I could get it to fire accidentally. No such luck. This is the first Walther I have enjoyed, even beating out my P38.

  • Ben

    Picked up a PK380 last week. Quite impressed. Very Very comfortable in the hand. There is no thumb release for the slide so it only locks when the mag is empty and to release it back in to battery you have to drop the mag or put in a loaded one. Not a big deal. When i reload i use my left hand to grab the slide and release it rather than using my right thumb so i don’t have to move it. seems to be more accurate and faster for me. however most of these models only come with one mag so once again not having a thumb release on the slide isn’t that big of a deal. It’s a back-up gun for something like a P99 or whatever you choose.

  • Brian Foster

    Hey richard where did you find this gun for $314 would love to get one ?

  • Codeman

    I GOT MINE YESTERDAY. I’ve been asking the guys at my shooting range every week if they’d gotten one in, and two days ago one of them told me they were expecting one in yesterday. I gave them my name and number and they called me when it arrived. It’s one of the First Editions so it came with an extra magazine and a holster (right handed only of course). It came in a nice hard case that was surprisingly large. (Easily three times the size of the case my P22 came in).
    This thing shoots very smooth with very little recoil. My first shot was a bull’s eye at 7 yards. I was shooting 95 grain full metal jacket rounds. I shot 100 rounds though this thing right out of the box without incident.
    The only trouble I had occurred while I was cleaning the PK380. The gun oil it shipped with was pretty thick and took some time to get cleaned off. Also, the spring and guide pin are a little fun to get back in place during re-assembly. I found using the guide pin assembly tool that came with my P22 made the job a lot easier. Finally, the tolerances seem very tight. After assembly, the gun felt tight. I disassembled it again and oiled it more heavily, but it still felt tight. I worked the slide back and forth several times until it loosened up. I think after a few hundred more rounds are run though; it should loosen up a little and be smoother. I look forward to doing just that.

  • Richard

    Brian,

    Bought it online from Bud’s Gun Shop. There out of stock now and have changed the price to 399.00. Check out the Cop Shop to preorder
    http://dealerease.net/catalog/product.asp?pid=66490&ret_id=1009665

    Richard

  • Dave Olson

    I just sold a PPK/S a couple of weeks back. I never liked it. Ergonomics and the force required to bring the slide to the rear. I was just disappointed with the whole pistol. So I began looking for a ca. 380 replacement. I looked and looked. Finally I walked into a local gun shop and spotted a BK380 First Edition in the case. The salesman handed it to me and I KNEW. The ergonomics of the grip design were like molded for my hand. The weight felt well distributed with poly grips and steel slide (no zinc) and barrel unit. It came with a second magazine and a take down tool. That’s the screwy thing. On the left side of the slide is a hole in which you insert this tool and turn 135 degrees counterclockwise. Pull down on the slide release lock and the pistol is in two parts. What I don’t understand, Walther’s thinking on this little tool. As it is so important, why only one? OK, took one hundred rounds out to the range plus a few extra by different manufacturers. At 40 yards I was hitting the torso or scaring the hell out of him. Not one jam, misfire, feeding or other problem. I did have one, strictly my fault. I have had a Walther P38, PP, the PPK/S and now my PK380. It is now my basic concealed carry weapon of choice. I have since run another 100 rounds through, again, no hang ups. If it allows me to do at 40 yards; at 15 feet you are dead. I have my right (shooting) shoulder packed with arthritis. No problem. The weight is minor but picks up any recoil. AS someone said, ” this is a defensive weapon, NOT a combat, war zone design, or caliber designation”.

  • Donna

    I started target shooting seven months ago and got my carry license in July. I had trouble finding a gun that felt comfortable for me until I found the P-22. It is a wonderful gun for a beginner, especially for a woman. After about three months I bought a Glock 19, which I also love, but it is a little more difficult for me to handle. I’m getting better with it, but I don’t want to carry it. When the PK380 was advertised, I was thrilled. Couldn’t wait to find one. I bought one a week ago and have been to the range with it twice. It is a pleasure to shoot. The recoil is light and it feels very much like my P-22. I think this will be my favorite pistol, and the one I will want to carry.

  • Ben

    Does anyone know if Galco has a holster that will fit the PK380. I though that maybe it would fit in the same holsters as a Glock 25,26, or 27, wasn’t sure though. I’m hoping someone who reads this has found some holsters that work for this gun. Please let me know if anyone has found any that work. Thanks

  • Ken

    Yes, they do make at least 3 variants:

    1. Galco Yaqui Paddle YP202 (belt holster).
    2. Galco SUM 250 Summer Comfort (IWB holster (also works for the Sig P229).
    3. Galco SOB 250 (small of the back holster).

    If you’re interested in these options plus more info on the Walther PK380, check out the lastest copy (Feb 2010) of “Combat Handguns”, it’s in the Gun Tests section.

  • Ben

    Thanks Ken. I’ll have to check that out. That issue of “Combat Handguns” with come out in January, right?
    Thanks Again.
    Ben

  • Ken

    Ben,

    No, it came out this month, a week or so back but it’d tagged as Feb. 2010. The article on the Walther PK380 is on page 50, the holsters I mentioned are on page 54.

    Happy Shooting,
    Ken

  • Codeman

    WARNING: If you own the Walther PK380 and the Walther P22 and clean them at the same time, make sure you keep track which guide pin and spring go to which firearm. It is very easy to mix these up; I’ve done it twice already.
    The P22 takes the longer guide pin and the shorter spring, the PK380 takes the shorter guide pin and the longer spring.

    Installing the wrong guide pin in the PK380 is no big deal and it is obvious after reassembly due to the pin protruding out the front of the slide. Installing the wrong spring in the PK380 is not so obvious. Your only indication is the slide will not always return due to the spring being weaker. (I did this during my first cleaning and thought that the weapon was “tight”, see previous blog. Luckily it occurred to me what I’d done the next morning and I fixed it before going out to the range.)

    The wrong spring in the P22 will probably cause a jam, but the wrong guide pin is a nightmare. I almost had to take my P22 to a gunsmith, but was eventually able to disassemble and correct the mistake.

    Neither firearm was fired with the incorrect components only because I do a thorough inspection of the weapon after reassembly; working the slide, hammer, trigger and safety multiple times.

  • Codeman

    FYI for you left handers out there, if Ken is correct about the Galco Yaqui Paddle YP202 fitting the PK380, then the left handed version is the YP203.
    I hope you’re right Ken as I just ordered a YP203 today.

  • Dave Olson

    For holsters for the PK380, check DeSantis and Don Hume. My PK380 is nestled in a Hume otb and very comfortable and with my sports coat buttoned, invisible. DeSantis has the inside the belt and pants in several different configurations. Also has on the belt. The Hume on the belt is made specifically for the PK380. The DeSantis is not individually crafted.

  • http://www.iowawebnet.com Mike

    Hi all:

    I am so excited about my PK380 that should arrive next week. I am looking for a holster. What are your recomendations? I read Dave O. comment – is there a way you can provide item number for the Hume otb holster Dave- thx?
    Do ppk and pk380 feet the same holster?
    Thanks all!

  • Dave Olson

    In response to the lucky PK380 owner reference Hume holster. First I must make amends by saying that it IS NOT by Hume. It is DeSantis and the model number is 002TAP1Z0. I don’t know why I had it in my head it was from Hume. Now this holster is molded strictly for the PK380. Every handgun you own should be fitted with an individual holster rather than one size from four makers and 4 models of each. But we know that money talks. So we are fortunate with out PK380.

  • http://www.hobbycentralrc.com Bill

    I used to make and sell custom wet molded concealment holsters up until about 10 years ago. My holsters were published in a couple issues of Guns and Weapons for LE and Gun World. Because I used real guns for the wet molding I always had a lot of carry guns to choose from and I needed to carry a variety to test the holsters. I have several .380′s including makarovs, sig 230, AMT Back Up. Before I quit making holsters I mostly carried a Glock 23, 26, S&W mod 36 or Sig229. I recently felt the need to renew my Florida CCW and picked up the current issue of Combat Handguns and came across the review of the PK380. The PK380 really intrigued me and I thought I might buy my two daughters in college one each. I went out and found one shop that had them in stock. I picked it up and was amazed at how good it felt in my hand and quickly decided my daughters didn’t need one, but I did LOL. I also picked up the Glock 26 (a gun that I liked to carry and shoot). I really liked the Walther. I also liked the idea that there weren’t many holsters available for it – gave me a reason to break my leather tools out.
    I went home and read as many reviews as I could – couldn’t really find any. Every on-line dealer I checked had none. I noticed there was a gunshow in town and so I set off to browse. I found three dealers that had them. The 1st editions were selling for $449.99 and the standard for $379.99. One dealer had both and offered me the 1st Ed. for $420 and the std for $372.99. The 1st Ed. comes with and extra mag and the mags sell for $52.99 so I bought the 1st Ed.. The few ammo dealers I checked did not have any .380 ammo. I left and went to Academy Sports and they had every pistol cartridge imaginable except .380. Checked a few online ammo dealers and they out of stock on .380′s. Luckily I have some for my other .380′s. A lack of ammo could be a problem. It is a lot larger than either the Sig 230 or the AMT, but I believe it will be a lot easier to shoot accurately. I actually traded the AMT .380 towards the PK380. The AMT is only half the size of the PK, but it is also hard to shoot well beyond a few yards. A lot of people that criticize the .380 have probably never fired one in a small handgun. The only negative I see so far, is that the hammer spring protrudes out of the back of the slide about 1/16″ and is sharp.

    Bill

  • http://www.iowawebnet.com Mike

    Thank you Dave. This makes sense. If you are looking for ammon check http://www.luckygunner.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=.380+ammo. I just ordered it from them two days ago.

  • Dave Olson

    It is nice to see all the positive reaction and purchases of Walther’s PK380. The word as they say is definitely getting around. As I read comments posted here and elsewhere I wonder what some of these people are gearing up for. Concealed carry for personal protection, protection of someone else’s life and that’s about it. If you want to play policeman, and I hope that no one who has a CCW plays at it. I was in law enforcement for only forty years. I carried heavy fire power; .41 cal mag, .45ACP auto, cal .357 S&W 2 1/2 inch. I carried until it was discontinued cal. 38 200 lead grain bullet. It’s ballistics were close to the .45 ACP because of the weight of the non-jacketed projectile. But all that was when I was an active Army military policeman and civilian police officer and detective. The rule of thumb I was taught those long years ago: it should take no more than two rounds to disable and put your “bad guy” down. Anything more and you have a war. Call the Army. I just wanted to say me piece on this. As more and more people get their CCW, I hope their instructor will advise them in regards to this issue.

  • Papa Ed

    I agree with Mr. Olson. A lot of people I know are getting a CCW because it’s the current fashion to do so. Politically and media wise. And some are angry and need management courses, not a gun. I applied for one after my house in the city was broken into the second time, but opted out of the program because I really haven’t a need for continual carry. I will say that the PK 380 is a great weapon. I handled one at the latest gun show and, as stated, it is not much bigger than the P22 I already own. I would prefer it to be side holstered and exposed as opposed to a PPK or Bersa Thunder, both of which fit about anywhere on a belt holster and my hand. The few I talk to and associate with are all in airs about .40 or .45 cal. Glocks and XD’s, where the need for a “boom” factor is greater than the real capacity to hit the target. Mr. Olson is right about two shots however. As Mr. Ruger said a while back about wheel guns, “If you can’t hit them with six, you don’t need a gun.” I hope, as I’m sure Mr. Olson does, that we’re not turning into the wild west for the sake of our personal security. Although we still have the right to do so.

  • Ken

    While I feel that Mr. Olsen has the best of intents in his post and I do agree with his sentiment about “not playing police”, I do have to wonder what exactly Mr. Olsen has been reading in this product blog that lead him to feel that “some of these people are gearing up” for something. I’ve been subscribed to this particular product blog for quite awhile and I read each of the posts here and I have yet to read anything here that would lead me to think that anyone posted here has anything that they’re gearing up for.

    As a former federal agent, I can’t agree more with Olsen’s remark about some in the gun community “might” be looking to play police. Other than the obvious fact of that being ILLEGAL, it is foolish and dangerous! I feel that the vast majority of those currently seeking their CCDW are doing it out of the desire to protect themselves, their families, and their property among other things. To have and maintain CCDW status is a major responsibility to say the least! We are held to to a higher level of expectation than those that just OC. We have had training and background checks among other things to get the CCDW status we have. Hopefully though it doesn’t just stop there, hopefully once obtaining CCDW status, they will continue to learn more, take more training and strive to be better trained than those that normally carry as part of their job. I do NOT agree with “Wild West” mentality, I do agree with well trained CCDW & OC gun ownership though. As sad as it is, there are not enough police to protect each and every citizen out there and so being, we as law abiding America citizens should not just trust our safety and security to law enforcement alone. If they are readily available and near by, that’s great but with seconds count and your life is on the line you have to make that tough decision and if you’ve studied, been trained, and know how to read the situation, then you have to make that determination yourself.

    With all that said and done, it seems that this product blog for the new Walther PK380 was gone askew and turned to a topic other than the weapon itself.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com Steve

      Yes, all future comments *must* be on topic (relating to the PK380 pistol), all other comments will be removed.

  • Codeman

    Another PK380 Warning!

    Do not rack the slide back with the trigger safety set to safe. If you do you will have a 20 oz paper weight that needs to be shipped back to Walther.
    I bought the first PK380 that my shooting range ever received. When they received another one some of the employees took it out to have a look, since I didn’t give them a chance with mine. The first employee to look at it, like anyone who is proficient with a semi-auto, pulled the slide back to clear the firearm. Unfortunately this PK380 shipped with the trigger safety on and it locked the gun up and the slide will not return.
    I personally will never use this safety which is located on the right just above the trigger and requires the take down key. But if you do, don’t rack the slide.

  • Dave

    I am considering buying either a Buck Mark URX or a P22 tomorrow. I own a 9mm PPS and love it. I would like to get my children shooting more regulary which is why I am considering the 22′s. I have read quality concerns about the P22 and read that the Buck Marks can be difficult to clean/assemble. If my kids are going to shoot then they need to clean. I have also considered Taurus 22 revolver and borrowed one from friend – thnking that revolver would be easier for kids to handle and clean.

    My question is if anyone has heard whether the PK380 slide could allow Walther to benefit production of steel slide for P22 and get rid of the zinc slide? I would buy the P22 without question if it had a steel slide.

    Dave

  • zach

    I recently got rid of my Kahr PM9 due to it being too small and replaced it with my new PK380. I am 5’11” 180 lb’s and this gun is easily concealed in my waistband. I’ve put 250 rounds through it( mixed brands) and have had no problems whatsoever. This weapon is acurate,balanced, and points easily and over all is a great shooter. I persononally don’t mind that it’s chambered in a .380 because I feel skill and shot placement makes up for the lighter powered round. I paid $350 for it but having handled it I would easily pay $500 if I had to ever replace it. I can’t wait until sunday to go and shoot again and compare it to my buddy’s Ruger LCP.

  • Bill Cawthon

    We have two of the P22 pistols and enjoy shooting them. Our 12-year-old son really likes the P22 and is becoming quite proficient with it. We have not encountered any of the problems I have seen mentioned other than needing to find the right ammunition for them (we use CCI MiniMags and Remington Golden Bullets in the bulk pack).

    I picked up a PK380 First Edition not long ago and have been very pleased with it. With a full magazine, it balances in the hand as well as any handgun I have seen.

  • Dave

    I just Bought the New PK.380. All I can say is WOW! I have shot and owned many pistols and I would say hands down this one is the BEST one I have ever shot. If a person is looking for a concealed weapon look no further this IS THE ONE. Like another person posted, the first time I saw it I was drawen to it then I was handed the weapon….and I KNEW. I traded guns that I thought I would never get ride of …..but I happly traded them just to get my hands on this PK.380. I then went down to the range and fired a bunch of rounds and I was AMAZED! THIS GUN IS PERFECT! THIS IS MY NEW PERFECT GUN. A MUST HAVE…..HANDS DOWN, THE BEST GUN……I have owned all the differerent pistols available, this IS the one you are looking for.

    If you don’t buy one…..you will wish you had….Sooooo go down town and get talked into another pistol….that you won’t like….or get this one and LOVE IT!

    Again all I can say is WOW! this gun will DROP any threat you encounter.

    I love it.

  • Brian

    Well dont think i need to say anymore then what a great gun. I have shoot about 25 rounds so far but plan on taking my ccw class with it. My freind held it 2 times and had to get himself one. The only thing that i see is the 380 shells are a little prices and harder to find but the gun is great.

  • Codeman

    Hey Brian, the PK380 is the perfect firearm to get your ccw with. I suggest you practice a lot though. Focus not so much on precision, but trigger control, reloading and how to deal with a gun jam or misfire. (not that I’ve ever had a gun jam or misfire with my PK380) A blind man can pass the proficiency test in most states but those three things could cost you. (I actually got penalized for one miss and an A$$ chewing from my instructor over a gun jam on the last round of a 5 shot session). Also, make sure you keep the firearm pointed down range at all times. My instructor made it very clear that he would send your but home without apology if you failed to do so at any time. A firearm safety coarse refresher beforehand is always a good idea.
    I had to take my proficiency test two months ago with a Ruger LCP 380 pocket pistol. (The PK380 wasn’t available in my area yet) After 50 rounds though that little Mother I felt like I needed to put my hand in an ice bucket. But I passed because I must have shot more than 500 rounds through the little bastard before hand in practice. I wish I had such a wonderful firearm as the PK380 for that test. But at least I have one now.
    All the pro’s with tell you the same. BE SAFE, BUT PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE!!!

    PS
    CHEAP 380 AMMO HERE!!!
    I always find 380 ammo at luckygunner.com It gets really cheap if you buy in bulk. Try $0.50 a round when locally it’s $1.00 or more if I can find it.
    And no, I don’t work for them. I’m just a customer.

  • Elug

    Hi everyone,

    I just got my pk.380 3 days ago,and shot it yesterday for the first time.
    Awsome!! Is what i gotta say about it awsome! Ive got long slim fingers like a pianist, but my hand in general is far from small, this gun feels spot on, as far as accuracy goes, I shot around 25 shots at a mt dew can at 15 yrds, and all my shots were inches around n thru the can. I must add i was shooting rounds as fast as i could. I LOVE MY NEW WALTHER PK.380.

    PS. It cost me $423 for the pistol,1 box cheap ammo and holster!

  • Dave Olson

    Wow, all I can say is if I was head of marketing for Walther I would be having an early Christmas. The praise and success of the PK380 seems to be close to 100%. That is a rarified height for any gun, pistol, revolver, rifle or shotgun. Mine is a ‘First Edition’ and it’s on my nightstand. My .45ACP Commander is on the other. The local gun store is not really recognized by any gun manufacturer. So it’s kind of an ‘ad hoc’ situation for additional magazines or that screwy take down tool. I called Walther USA and spoke to the head of the parts department. I explained that if you drop that little tool anywhere but on a very clean floor you better have eyes like an eagle. Drop it outside at a range or wherever you shoot, you can be in real trouble finding it. Anyway Walther advised me he had placed a replacement order, and he included the order number, and advised it would be ‘several’ weeks before they had any in the States. I didn’t ask about extra magazines, as you get 2 with the First Edition. I want to purchase at least two more, but am guessing they likewise are not even in the country. Will keep you posed as to when that ‘take down’ tool arrives, and cost or freebie. Walther didn’t say.

  • Brian

    Hey codeman, thanks for the addvice i need to get out thier and put somemore round down range soon going to take the test dec.13. Still need to get 2nd clip and holster for it and i think i will be ready to give this pk 380 and i some fun times

  • Codeman

    Brian,
    There are several suggestions in this blog for right handed holsters and one from me on a left handed holster, so take a look. I got my holster and it holds the PK380 well, but it would have been nice if the paddle was larger to distribute the weight a little better. You may want to look at that.
    As far as magazines go, you’re probably hosed. I’ve been looking for two more with no luck. I got a limited edition (for $415 I’m proud to say) that came with an additional clip, but I like to rotate my clips every 6 months with the unused ones un-sprung. (so the spring doesn’t ware out) Let me know if you find a good source for mags.

  • warner

    im very eager to get one of these. ive had a p22 for a couple years and love it. last week i got a p99as in a .40 and love it too. i was revisiting the gunshop with a buddy last week and they happened to have a pk380 in the shelf and it was love at first sight. I love the size, feel, and look.

    Has anyone who has already bought one, can you tell me if there is anything wrong or bad about the pk380? other than the lack of ammo availability and price of ammo:-p

  • http://www.hobbycentralrc.com Bill

    I took my PK380 to the range. I managed a 3-4″ group at 7yds off-hand. But, at about 20 yds the group opened up to about 12″ or more. The gun jammed 4 times in the first 50 rounds. I couldn’t figure out why it was jamming. On the last jam the I pulled hard on the slide as I couldn’t clear the gun. The whole slide came off. Apparently the slide release lock was not locked from the factory/dealer and worked loose. I locked it with the tool provided and it was fine after that. I was not happy with it’s accuracy beyond 10yds. I’m not blaming the Walther. It could be my grip etc.. I had my Glock 26 which is basically the same size, holds more rounds and is more potent. I was able to shoot a 6″ group with the Glock. I don’t think I will be carrying the PK380. But, I haven’t made a holster for it yet and would like to see how it carries. The Glock felt better in my hands and I preferred the sight picture of the Glock. Personally I like a slide release as well. It is a quality weapon, but I’m not sure I like the idea of a take down tool or the fact that there is no indication that the slide release is unlocked. I would like to go back to the range with the PK380 and my Sig 230 and compare the two. But I had a hard time finding .380 ammo. I did manage to find some on-line for $19.99 a box. The dealer I bought mine from had extra mags for $52 each. When I bought mine he had both the first edition and the standard for a $40 difference. That was less than an extra mag, so I took the 1st Ed. which comes with 2 mags.

    Bill

  • Ben

    I just picked up my pk380 on friday. Havn’t had a chance to shoot it yet. I have noticed a few things though I thought I should mention. The barrel seems to have a few odd markings on it that appear to be from the tempering process. I’m sure it’s nothing but they just don’t look pretty. Also I loaded the mag up to see how well the ammo fed. When chambering the first round it jammed against the feed ramp. I bought 2 boxs of ammo, Speer gold dot and Magtech first defense, it only jams on the very first round of a full mag with the Speer gold dot. It does not jam with the Magtech at all. I’m going to try various types and weights as well as do some range testing over the next week. I’ll let everyone know what I find.
    Those things aside I think that compared to any other pistol in its price range this is an amazing gun. The grip is great. It just seems to fit and not just me ( i’m 6’3 220lbs) but my girlfriend loves it to (she is 5’2). Despite the need for a take down tool it’s still very easy to disassemble and clean. The tool is a simple rod with a v-notch. You could make 20 of these things with an alluminum rod and a dremel tool for about 6 dollars and hour of your time.
    Also for those looking for a holster. I found that the Bianchi Model 6 that is sized for 9mm/ .40sw. I know it doesn’t sound like it should fit but I tried the gun in almost every holster in the store and the gun fits snug in this one. I’ll post the results from the range as soon as I can find enough ammo to give this thing a good workout. Should be by the end of the week. Also thanks to everyone else for your great reviews. Made my decision to by this gun easy.

  • Dave Olson

    Ben, Here are two holsters of different styles. One is made especially for the PK380 and the other for a number of similar sized pistols. First is DeSantis speed scabbard, #002TAP1Z0. This fits nicely on your belt. The second is also by DeSantis, their model style Tuck This II, number M24BAE1Z0. This is an inside the pants rig with a ‘J’ hook holding onto the bottom of your belt. You can even pull the clip away and tuck your shirt inside so only the bottom of the clip is visible. What I like is the leather speed scabbard is fitted solely for the PK 380.
    These are the two I found so far.

  • Ben

    Thanks Dave!! I’ll check those out.
    I looked a little closer at the feeding problem I was having. I noticed that it is not a gun problem but a mag problem. If I load the mag I notice that on the last few rounds the angle of the ammo is lost. This is causing the the first round of a full mag to actually catch on the mag as it is pushed out. It’s so close that it’s actually the lip of the brass that is catching on the forward mag wall. Does anyone know if it would cause a problem if I filed the the sharp edge off? It would only need to be smoother out so the brass doesn’t catch on it’s way past.

  • http://www.iowawebnet.com Mike

    Hello:
    I finally got my PK380. I ordered it back in September and it arrived last Tuesday. I took it to the range Saturday and here is my opinion:
    - Design 10 / 10
    - Accuracy 8 / 10 (compared with my Beretta 92FS)
    - Fun to shoot 10 / 10
    - Comfort 10 / 10
    - Recoil 10 / 10
    - Price 10 /10
    - CCW 10 / 10
    - Quality yet to be determined
    Ok, that was short, but here is descriptive content.
    I was excited to pickup up my PK380, and hardly could wait to take it to the range. First impression of my family members was: WOW. Even my 13 year old daughter said: dad one day I want to have gun like this. My wife noticed that PK380 can fit in any of her purses, and my son added, he might able to carry it while he jog. So every member of my family like what they saw. My son and I sat down, read the manual and instructions and proceeded with gun disassembling. I read in this blog that someone had problem puling the slide back while safety in safe position. I had no problem with safety on or off position – both times the slide was functioning like it suppose to. Gun was easy and simple to disassemble and assemble. I had problem with a spring and a rod, but I used cleaning rod to secure the spring and placing the rod in the slide.
    On the range my son and I shot around 150 rounds without single jam. Pistol performed great, with minimal recoil. My son and I shot at the same time, he using Beretta, and I using PK380, than we switched and so on. Up to 15 yards we both had same groups with both guns. At the 20, 25, and 30 yards, PK380 couldn’t keep with Beretta in accuracy. It would be too much to expect that PK380 can keep the accuracy with Beretta after 20 yards.
    However, overall satisfaction with this pistol is great. I am glad I got it. It is my primary CCW and I would highly recommend this pistol to everyone.
    Mike

  • Ben

    Mike, I think the safety issue you read about was reguarding the internal safety that requires the takedown key to engage. The external safety/thumb safety should have no effect on the movement of the slide. Can anyone else confirm that? thanks, ben

  • Ben B

    I just realized I’m not the only ben posting, haha. Guess I’ll add a last initial. Your right Ben. The external safety should have no effect on the operation of the slide. The only thing the external safety does is rotate a drum that prevents the hammer from contacting the firing pin. If you pull your hammer back and engage and disingage the safety while looking at the firing pin you will see just what I mean. The trigger safety ( engaged with the tool ) is the safety in question. It was said that if the slide was pulled back with this safety engaged then it would lock in place. I haven’t looked into why this would happen nor have a tried it myself. I’m going to take a look after work today and see how this safety locks up. Maybe find out why this would happen and how you would fix it if does. It seems odd that there would be now way of getting the slide unlocked after such an incedent. Especially since it seems like such an easy mistake to do. I’m sure there will be thousands of these things headed back to the factory because someone tried to chamber a round and forgot to disingage the trigger safety.

  • Richard

    Cabela’s has New Hungarian Ammunition Manufacturing Incorporated MFS brand .380 Auto (9mm Browning Short) ammunition. Features a 95grn lead core full copper jacketed bullet, brass case, and non-corrosive boxer primer for 16.99 and has 20.00 off or free shipping on orders over 100.00

  • Ben B

    I just checked out the trigger safety (engaged by the tool). It operates basically the same way as the fireing pin safety. There is just a drum with a flat spot that allows the trigger mechanism to to pass by. When rotated into the safe mode the drum rolls and blocks the trigger from moving. I don’t see why the slide would stay locked if it was pulled back with the trigger lock engaged. I’m not saying try it but It makes no mechanical sense to me why it would lock up.
    Does anyone know if the p22 laser works on the 380 or does walther make a special setup for the pk 380?

  • Dave Olson

    Talked to Walther parts yesterday, Tuesday, and was informed that there are no spare take down tool, or interior safety in the US. I also asked about magazines, same story nothing in the US. Was told to call after the first of the year.

  • Ben B

    Thanks for the heads up Richard. I ordered up a few boxes as soon as I saw your post.

  • Richard

    WalterPK380.com has extra magazines in stock this morning for $33.99 each. http://www.waltherpk380.com/category/1716-Walther_PK380_Magazines.aspx

  • Dave Olson

    If you look at the Walther publication under parts. it very specifically states the only safety is the external safety. It makes no mention of any other. My own, and this is unsupported opinion, is that that slide safety was incorporated into the mechanics to meet US Federal arms requirements.

  • Ben B

    I agree with you on the safety Dave ( also an unsupported opinion). In your talks with walther did you happen to ask about the laser? Is it the same laser thats on the p22 or is it a complete seperate unit?

  • Dave Olson

    Ben B, Sorry I did not make inquires about the laser. Walther, Europe, like most all European companies have a total shutdown the last week between Christmas and New Years. So unless they, the lasers, are already in the pipeline I would expect nothing till January 2010. Walther USA added they were not aware of any scheduled deliveries.

  • Codeman

    Thanks for the heads up on the magazines Richard. I just ordered two for my limited edition. Just in time too, I normally rotate out my clips every January and July.

  • Dave Olson

    I would like to see a few more specially made holsters on the market for the PK380. I have two. One is a plain belt holster. Then I stumbled across the DeSantis leather 002P1.

  • Pk380 Lover

    I purchased one and I love shooting it. A couple of thoughts on it though, the double action is a little stiff and the single action while pretty good feels a little rough. Perhaps a little polishing. But lets face it, in a self defense situation, neither of those mean anything as long as it goes bang! I have had some issues with the takedown tool, I have not found it to be as user friendly as described in the manual. Actually I have had to fiddle with it quite a bit to get it to engage and disengage. Will be interested to see if anyone else has this issue.. Overall I think it is a great package from walther in a great price range. The size of the pistol and weight makes it a great plinker, almost like shooting a .22

    I have no second thoughts about carrying it for defense, with proper ammo this is a sufficient round to save your life. A couple extra mags are a must though. Good luck with your purchases, I don’t think you guys will be disappointed.

  • Ben B

    I don’t think the takedown tool is as smooth as it could be. I have to push in fairly hard to keep the tool engaged while I turn. I find if you push the slide back just slightly it takes the pressure off and the it is easier to turn. This works on takedown and reassembly.

  • Pk380 Lover

    Thanks Ben B, I think you are on to something there. It certainly was not as easy as it sounded in the manual :). I appreciate the advise and will try that out.

  • Codeman

    To: PK Lover and all who are considering carrying the PK380

    I strongly suggest acquiring Hornady Critical Defense 380 ammunition. It is the best ammo you can have in a 380 for self defense. It is difficult to find but I was able to find it online at glensoutdoors.com
    The ballistics on these rounds are amazing for a 380 caliper.

  • Pk380 Lover

    Codeman, thanks for the suggestion but I already carry it in my G19, xd and now the pk! :) You are right, its the best stuff to protect your life!

  • Ben B

    I finally got to shoot a few rounds today. I only got to shoot 3 mags. The weather here has been horrible and today it was below zero with the wind chill. Either way I went out back and tacked up an 8×8 shoot’n’see to a tree because I was tired of waiting for a good day with no wind. I shot 3 mags, each a different manufacturer. Magtech first defense 77gr, Gold Dot personal protection 90gr, and Aguila 90gr HP. All performed well with no clear winner in accuracy ( I dont have a caliper to measure thousands of an inch). I manage to put 7 rounds of each clip in a 3×3 square. I know what your gonna say, the mag holds 8 rounds. My first round on each clip was fired on a double action pull. I wish I could say I knew where the first 2 hit but they missed the whole target. The other was 4 inches left. I guess I need to work on my double action trigger pull.
    I shot from 10 yards off hand, had no jams or fail to fire. Recoil was VERY light to say the least. I was very pleased with the accuracy. When the weather clears up I plan on giving the gun a full workout. I have 200 rounds and plan on shooting them all this week.

  • Paul

    I havn’t read all of the comments on this site so please forgive me if someone has already brought this up.

    From the many valid points I WAS able to read, it seems to me most assume a concealed carry usage. My need was different – My better half and as a sidearm not CC. I think for this use (i.e someone who isn’t comfortable firing larger rounds, which she has AND isn’t), this gun is attractive. Before I picked up this model (first edition), we looked at the P22. At the gun show we were visiting, I got to talking to a few other husbands and we were all of the same mind set. “P22, hmmm nice gun but I wish it came in a .380″. The pk 380 gun was released a week later. Very comfortable for her hands, low recoil etc.

    Perhaps there is a reasons for this caliber and size in a pistol other than CC? Think pink Gentleman :)

  • Ben B

    Paul I couldn’t agree more. I like the pk380 myself. However if I were list every gun I wanted this site would need to expand its server. My girlfriend is a different story. She thinks most guns are ugly, or to heavy, or to big, etc. But she LOVES her p22 and wants my pk380. I don’t know what it is but something about these 2 guns makes women love them.

  • Richard

    LTD AMMO has PMC 380 ACP 90 Grs. FMJ box of 50 for 13.99 a box.
    http://ltdammo.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=11_19_21

  • Brian

    Looking for a good holster for the pk 380 so i can use it for my ccw gun.Just wondering if anyone has found any that they like well.I seen some listed but was wondering how well poeple like the ones they have and why they like it,so i can make up my mind what i want to buy thanks

  • Codeman

    Brian,
    For holsters I would suggest the Galco Yaqui Paddle YP202 for right handed draw and the YP203 for left handed draw. I use a YP203 for ccw and find it very comfortable.

  • Codeman

    More on the PK380 trigger safety jamming the slide.
    I talked to the shooting range employee today that actually jammed the PK380 that had the trigger safety on. (see previous blogs above) It turns out that the trigger safety was half way between fire and safe and that is what caused the jam. So, having the trigger safety set to safe, which requires the take down tool, will not necessarily cause the PK380 to lock up if you rack the slide. However you want to make sure it is set all the way to safe or fire, not half way. Again, this is a safety feature I would never use so I won’t be testing this. Mine is always set to fire and I use the manual safety, the hammer and a gun safe to prevent unintentional fire.

  • Ben B

    Thanks for the update Codeman. That makes a bit more sense to me. I’ve been looking at the trigger mechanics on my gun over and over trying to figure out what would cause it to lock up like that. It’s been driving me nuts that I couldn’t figure it out. But with the safety half way I can see how this could happen. I was actually so annoyed that I couldn’t see why it would lock up I was thinking about doing it just to see why it happened, haha. I guess thats the curse of needing to know how something works.

  • Dave

    As to the matter of the pk380 locking up with the internal
    safety engaged, it does happen. I racked my slide with
    the internal safety engaged and started thinking that I had
    created a new paper weight. My slide would still function
    but the trigger was locked and the hammer was cocked and
    locked back also. After cursing myself for a while, I finally
    decided to break it down. After breaking the pk380 down, I was able
    to simply use the tool to turn the internal safety back to fire.

    Also, (as mentioned earlier) if you pull the slide back slightly
    while locking and unlocoking with the break down tool you
    will find this process much easier.

    I went to the range yesterday and put fifty rounds thru
    my new pk380. What a great shooting gun.

  • Ben B

    I just locked up my slide on purpose. Dave is right ( not that dave needed my confirmation,lol ) Just take it down and then the key turns with ease and your back in business. I took a look and believe I finally understand this one. The internal safety only prevents the trigger from being pulled. It does not however block the entire trigger mechanism, only the piece that kicks the hammer free allowing it to fall. If you rack the slide it cocks the gun ( obviously ) this puts pressure on the safety that stops you from turning it with the key. When you dissasemble the pistol it relieves enough pressure to make it possible to turn the key again.

  • Dave Olson

    Just received in the mail today, my three extra magazines for my PK380. This gives a total of five, as I purchased the First Edition which comes with two. I’m wearing the only KNOWN holster made expressly for the PK380. It is a leather belt hugger. Comfortable, and since its fitted to the PK380 no need for strap or tension screws. I know that I’ve posted twice before on the manufacturer and model number so I won’t again. This was just to let you know that Walther PK380 magazines are available in the states. Now for that take down tool.

  • Ben B

    Dave, as far as that take down tool is concerned. If you have a vice and a grinder, better yet a dremel with a grinder tip, a cutting tip, and a polishing tip. Go out and by a small stick of 1/4 inch alluminum rod. you will be able to make one of these take down tools in about 10 minutes. I won’t lie the first one might take a bit longer to get the dimensions perfect. If you do it this way you can make a few. Keep one in your dresser, one in you car, or like I did drill a hole in the end and attach one to your key chain just in case. I now have 2 spare keys that work just fine, without doing damage to the gun at all. It cost me 5 dollars and I still have enough alluminum rod to make 20 more of these things. If you decide to do this just make sure you POLISH it and ROUND OFF ANY SHARP EDGES.

  • Dave Olson

    Just a note to let all of you who like the PK380 as much as I. Received the three extra magazines for the PK380. Finally had a chance to get to the range to check them out. All three performed flawlessly. Now I can keep two loaded and the others unloaded in a rotation.

  • Pk380 Lover

    I received mine today also but a buddy tried to order some last week and was told they are now on back order.

  • Richard

    I found a better deal on magazines $28.39. They have 28 in stock as of this morning.
    http://www.calssportingarmory.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=MGWAWAF64000

  • Mike W

    Cals Sporting armory is down to 11 PK380 magazines. I ordered mine yesterday and just checked their site. Get em while they last.

  • Dave Olson

    Just went over to our local gun store and picked up a couple boxes of 50 rounds each of Mexican cal .380 ACP. It’s FMJ, at 95 grains. I have shot some other Mexican ammo and it worked fine. I figure this is good for the range. It was a little expensive but when it’s the only player in town.

  • Ben B

    Sounds like you AGUILA. It produced in mexico but the company is actually owned by remington. I picked up a couple box’s myself. Shoots pretty good.

  • STACY W.

    I TALK TO A GUN SHOP OWNER TODAY. HE SAID THAT THEY HAD TWO RETURNS ON THE WALTHER PK 380. THE REASON WAS THAT THE SLIDE WAS CUTTING INTO THE BARREL. HE ALSO SAID THAT THEY MAY STOP PRDUCTION IT. HAS ANYONE HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.

  • john

    I bought the pk 380 and love it very easy to conceal compared to my sig or springfield and thats first in mind I have a lcp 380 also which I can put in my back pocket like a wallet

  • Dave Olson

    Stacy W
    I talked to Walther USA on Thursday the 24th. No mention was made of any problems. I in fact bought another box of 50 rds cal .380 to shoot. What I find interesting is in comparing my PK380 to my S&W 908, 9mm. The major difference being the 908 is all metal. The second is ammo size. Similarities include sights, exposed hammer, less on the 908. A easy pull on the slide to inject/eject a cartridge. Walther USA and in Germany are closed until after New Years.

  • STACY W.

    THANKS DAVE. I WILL PROBABLY BUY ONE. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE AVERAGE PRICE IS NOW. I LIVE IN NW FLORIDA.

  • Codeman

    Stacy W.

    I’ve shot over 400 rounds through my PK380 and have cleaned it after every session. I do have a significant amount of scratches on the exterior of the barrel, but I’ve noticed that I was not finding any new scratches after the first 200 rounds. Also, the scratches themselves, which use to be abrasive when I was wiping down the barrel, have smoothed out. I was concerned about this when I first started shooting it but now it seems fine, although a little unsightly when the barrel is exposed. I just wrote it off to normal “break-in” markings. I have similar ware markings on my Ruger LCP on the exterior of the chamber.

  • Papa Ed

    Hi everybody. In a note about cleaning and lube on the slide v. the polymer frame, I’ve successfully used synthetic motor oil on the polymer frame (Q-tip applied) with the thought that synthetic should be used with synthetic. Although there is nothing I can back this up with, other than clean function and no problems with my P22′s, I see no reason not to meet the two together. The oil has higher temperature tolerances and may make the slide last longer because of lower friction resistance and better solubility to the substrate of the metal. I’d like to see the same from the PK380 and the myriad other polymer frame/steel meetings. I, as yet, do not own the little dandy. I held one at a gun show here and the price was right but I hesitated waiting on all of your experience. Keep it up. Thanks.

  • Papa Ed

    ps…. Happy New Year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Codeman

    In response to Ed’s comment to everyone, I too use a synthetic oil however I use a synthetic gun oil. I use Birchwood Casey brand that I bought at Cabela’s. I also felt that a synthetic oil on synthetic components was wise and I apply it with swabs, barrel snakes and Q-tips. I have heard that some non-synthetic oils can be corrosive to synthetic firearm components. I use this synthetic gun oil on my non synthetic firearms as well. I have been told by gunsmiths that a standard 30 weight motor oil works fine as a firearm lubricant and I’m sure that includes synthetic motor oils, but to be honest I like the smell of gun oil.

  • Richard

    Vance Outdoors Jan. sales flyer has the PK 380 for $299.99
    http://www.vanceoutdoors.com/flyer/flyer.pdf

  • Willy

    Got to handle one of these today. A superb firearm all around…fits my hand like it was custom fitted for me. I own the equally superb P22 and look forward to claiming my PK380 when it comes in. Since I have the laser for the .22, I was able to confirm that it does indeed fit the PK, also confirmed by the clerk. If this gun shoots half as straight as the P22, the laser will not be necessary anyway. Thanks, Walther!!!!

  • David Holland

    Hi,

    Just purchased a Walther PK 380. After test firing the weapon found it shoots well to include feeds well. No Problems. 380 ammo here is hard to come by like Speers Gold Dot. Had to settle for PMC Starfire, 95 grs, SPHP, Gold. The testing of this ammo by gun guros certainly leaves something to be desired. They report that this round did not expant and the recovered slugs was still in good enough shape they could be used for reloads. This is not good. Maybe the ride on 380s will pass and ammo will once again become available. Nice weapon to carry and DeSantis makes holsters, both belt and paddles for this weapon. Meanwhile when danger lurks I still have my Glock Model 19 loaded with Hornady Critical Defense, 115 gr FTX to handle home defense.

  • Pk380 Lover

    TO address the scratching issue, I took mine apart and checked the hole on the inside of the slide and it is certainly sharp. I took the dremel and a polishing wheel and dressed it up a little. I will see if it helps any. If your going to do it be sure that you just dress the edge and not enlarge the hole! Also clean all the polishing media out of the nooks and crannys.

  • Glockking

    Just bought the pk380 i love it so does my girlfriend she has a hard time shooting my normal carry gun which is a glock 36. the 36 is to hard to pull back and to big of a grip for but the pk fits us both well.

  • David Holland

    Hi again,

    Read some comments from posted readers that they had experienced problems with the Walter PK 380 when they locked and loaded a round in the chamber with the safety on. Don’t understand this as Walter recommends using the safety on at all times unless ready to fire. Quite frankly I do not feel comfortable jacking a round in the chamber of any weapon unless the safety is on. This is asking for an accident. If you are on target and ready to fire is one thing but to carry the weapon in a holster without the safety on is asking for trouble in my opinion. Unlike the Glock the Walter PK does not have a safe action release system. That hammer goes down from cocked position and the safety is off you should hear a bang followed by a few curse words.

  • Ben B

    David, you are right in what you say about always using the safety. However I think you might have got a bit confused about the locking of the slide. The issue was not with the externally engaged safety. This safety should be used just as you suggest. The issue has been with the trigger safety ( engaged with the tool, right side of the gun, just forward of the trigger) if this safety is engaged and you rack the slide to chamber a round it can lock the slide to the rear, ” followed by a few curse words”.

  • Dave Olson

    Safety. If you look at the Walther manual that accompanies the weapon, it makes only one reference to one safety. That is the exterior, ‘F’ ‘S’. The other is called by Walther as a trigger lock, designed to keep unauthorized persons from using or shooting. It is no different from other similar locks, such as on my S&W 640-1. There you have a little hole one the left side and turning it blocks all action. I definitely would not want to carry the gun with the internal mechanism locked. The safest way to carry is with an unloaded chamber.The rules are different if you’re in law enforcement. But for CCW an unloaded chamber is best. A quick pull on the slide and you’re set.

  • David Holland

    Ben thanks for clearing up the issue. You are absolutely right about attempting to chamber a round with the trigger safety on. I have no children at home now so don’t use this extra safety, but it certainly is a good one to have on the weapon. Cuts down on the use of the padlock and chain. I am a retired LE and carried a Colt 1911 for years and of course to chamber a round with this weapon the slide safety had to be off until the round was chambered then the original comment ” Lock and Load” but it should have been “Cocked and Locked” . Talk about a few curse words, this was a very dangerous weapon to carry and they even made a holster which had a leather loop to go around the hammer of it to prevent accidently knocking the safety off. Otherwise a weapon of choice to go thru those bad doors.

  • Ben B

    Got some time in at the range again the other day. I got to say I’m surprised at how consistant the accuracy on this gun is. At 7 and 10 yards is where this gun seems to shine. 3 inch groups off hand all day long as fast as I can aquire the sights. The guns so easy to shoot you really can shoot all day, if I could afford to, lol. @ 25 yards my groups opened way up but 50% are still going in the 3 inch circle in the middle. I think as I get used to the gun this will improve. But don’t let anyone tell you this gun isn’t accurate because I can’t shoot a full size pistol or revolver much better than this. Just amazing that this little gun can perform like this.

  • Pk380 Lover

    Dave, I disagree with you 100%! To each their own but if anything CCW you should ALWAYS carry in Condition 1 Cocked and Locked and ready to rock. Reason being, a firearm without a round in the chamber is nothing more than a hammer! You may think you have time to rack a round into the chamber but I guarantee you that when needed you would never believe how long that time span is. An officer of the law is far more prepared for trouble than you will ever be in your normal circumstances. Chances are when you need the weapon the perp will be within your vital 6′ space. He is not going to allow you to draw a weapon and rack a round to shot him. If you really want to protect yourself you should be prepared to draw and fire. In the adrenaline rush I bet you won’t even consider having to rack the slide. There are multiple cases where people were killed just because in the rush they never flipped the safety off! Now you are proposing adding in a whole additional step!

    Its your choice but if you are not comfortable with carrying a firearm in condition one, perhaps you are not prepared to carry period. Your life depends on it. Don’t take this as a your wrong Im right statement, but an information statement of why anyone who carries needs to review the situation.

    If you want to test your theory, get a buddy to stand 10 feet away and on your command have him come at you. In that time (using a safety firearm for training) draw your weapon and pretend to rack a round and see how far you have gotten before he is on top of you. Chances are he will have you on the ground AND will get your hammer and use it on you.

    Everyone who decides to carry should attend an advanced shooting course and self defense training scenario. Be safe out there.

  • Pk380 Lover

    I shot about a box thru the Pk380 today after polishing the inside of the slide where the barrel comes thru. There is certainly an improvement but perhaps I will polish a little more. Man this gun is fun to shoot!

  • Ben B

    Very good point PK380 lover. In the class I took the instructor had a lady walk to the other end of the room ( about 50 ft). A man sat at a desk at the other end. In the desk drawer was a pistol (loaded with dummy rounds) with no round chamber. On the instructors mark the lady started walking towards him, not running. The man had to get the pistol, rack the round and prepare to defend himself. I was surprised when she almost put her hand on his shoulder and she wasn’t moving fast. I’m 6″2 and I know I could have covererd that distance in a flash if I wanted to.
    This was a home defense class ( hence the gun in desk ) considering most homes are not 50ft across that does not leave you much time to prepare for what is about to happen. In the six foot range that is flash especially if the other guy is athletic. Cocked and locked is the only way to go if you actually want you gun to be of any help to you. Safety first always but be realistic about how that event will play out if or when it ever happens to you and be prepared.

  • Codeman

    I’m afraid I have to disagree with Dave on his suggestion of carry. In the event of a robber pulling a gun on me, I don’t want to loose my three quarter of a second opportunity of surprise by having to rack the slide after I draw. I carry my PK380 in an IWB holster any time and place that it is legal to do so here in Texas with a round in the chamber, hammer down and safety on. I also make disengaging the safety and double action trigger pull part of my draw and dry fire practice. I consistently keep the firearm in this condition so that I won’t have to think about it in an emergency. The PK380 safety does a very nice job of keeping the hammer off the firing pin and with it being ambidextrous I can easily verify the safety and hammer position through my concealment clothing.
    Dexterity and accuracy are reduced by up to 50% in a crisis situation.
    To each their own, but I carry prepared for the worst case scenario and pray it never happens.

  • Jalo

    I’m getting ready to pick up my limited edition pk380 off layaway this week. With all the good reviews I can’t wait to get ahold of it. I would like to see some good footage of it in action since there’s not many vid’s out there right now. So take a camera out next time you guys go to the range man!

  • Karl

    Well I purchased the pk380 for several reasons.

    1. Hand fit. I have a 20 year old S&W 1006 10mm Auto and it is a little big for my hand. I am not real accurate with it. I have a S&W 22a that fits my hand and I take it small game hunting more than I do my 22 rifle. I looked at the Kel-Tec and the Bersa .380 Thunder but I don’t like my pinky dangling below the clip. I have a theory that comfort leads to accuracy and if you arent accurate I am not sure if it matters what pistol you have.
    2. My wife can use this for personal defense. She can’t slide the extractor on anything but here Beretta U22 with the exception of this little PK380. A 380 is by far a better self defense round than a .22.
    3. The integrated laser is really cool.
    4. The price really fits my budget

    Now to find a good holster for conceal carry. It is going to have to fit in the small of my back. I can barely fit it in my back pants pocket. Maybe if I can get some of those jeans the kids wear that hang down past your crack with the huge back pockets that would take care of everything but they just aren’t my style.

  • Richard

    Midway USA has Prvi Partizan Ammunition 380 ACP 94 Grain Full Metal Jacket Box of 50 for $16.49

    http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=283576

  • David Holland

    Hi All,

    Need some info on the PK380. As I have related I purchased the Walther PK a few weeks back. Since time was not on my side I only test fired the weapon to make sure it fired and would chamber the next round. After firing I put the weapon up until I could clean it and fire some rounds. My normal CC is a Glock Model 19 of which I carry most of the time. When I took the weapon down I noticed scratches on the end of the barrel, about an inch plus in lenght. They are surface scratches, not in-dept ones. The barrel of the weapon is black and the scratches showed stainless under them. This is a new weapon, right out of the box. I have only fired it twice. They (scratches) are at the mussel end of the weapon. I’m concerned. Also the spring and rod was extremely hard to put back in after cleaning. Has any of the readers had this situation. I really hate sending a weapon back to factory as it always takes a lot of time. Any info from owners such as Ben B would really be appreciated. This is really such a sweet weapon I hope this is not major. When the weapon was down for cleaning I didn’t see anything that would have caused this. I’m wondering if it was sold like this as I didn’t pay any attention to it at the gun shop. Thanks in advance for any help or info. Dave H.

  • Karl

    I haven’t fired mine yet but I field stripped it and took off the excess oil. I didn’t see any marks on the barrel and yea the spring and rod are not the easiest to put back in but I got it in ok. My S&W 22a is hard to get the spring and rod back in too. Walther just doesn’t put anything to catch the spring on while compressing it like my S&W 1006 but it isn’t an expensive gun either. I will check for scratching after I fire it.

  • STACY W.

    DAVID
    I DON’T OWN ONE BUT, I PICKED ONE UP AT A DEALER IT ALSO HAD SOME SCRATCHES AROUND THE MUSSEL. IT HAD A LITTLE CATCH WHEN THE SLIDE WOULD BE PULLED BACK. I ALSO HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT PROBLEM TOO.

  • Codeman

    Mr. Holland,
    I have had my PK380 since Nov 2009 and have easily put over 400 rounds though it. The scratches you have noticed are common for this firearm and have been discussed previously in this blog. Some people have returned the firearm to the manufacture for this; others have polished the slide to stop it. I have done nether. The scratching continued on mine for about the first 100 rounds. After that the barrel and slide have worn themselves in and I’ve noticed no further scratching. I had no jams or feed issues during this break in period. Although the barrel is a little unsightly now the firearm has performed flawlessly. Also, the scratches on my barrel, although still visible, are noticeably smoother than they once were.
    My advice, if you have the funds and know a good gunsmith, have him take the sharp edge off the slide where it comes in contact with the barrel or do what I did, don’t worry about it and just enjoy the firearm.

  • Codeman

    Mr. Holland,
    One more comment on your issue with the spring and guide pin. This too is common. I address the issue by using the re-assembly tool that came with my Walther P22. It is a plastic pin that is pointed on one end and the same diameter as the guide pin. During re-assembly I insert it into the spring on top of the guide pin and use it as a guide through the slide. When done properly the re-assembly tool will fall harmlessly out the front of the slide. If you don’t have a P22 you could probably manufacture one from metal at little cost. The pin is approximately 1 ½ inches long.

  • Pk380 Lover

    It appears that the scarring issues are related to to the inside of the slide not being deburred and sharp. I deburred mine and the scarring has stopped. I suppose if you shoot it enough it will self deburr from friction.

  • Ben B

    My barrel also has the scratching. I have a few hundred rounds though it and as codeman said everything smoothed out after about 100 rounds. I find the best thing to use for the spring on reassembly is the cleaning rod from my cleaning kit. Everyone has or should have one of these. Again like codeman said slide it the front of slide, slide the spring over and slide in the guide rod. After a couple times it becomes almost effortless.
    I wouldn’t worry about the barrel problem unless it continues after the first couple hundred rounds. This is a standard break in period on any firearm. After that I might be concerned if it continues to chew away. Hope it works out for you. This is a fun pistol to shoot.

  • Codeman

    Ben B,
    The cleaning rod is a great idea. I plan to run 100 rounds through my PK this Saturday as part of my usual practice. I’ll try your idea that night when I clean it. Thanks.

  • Dave Olson

    Just to alert owners of the PK380 that Cabela’s sporting goods has and are receiving ammo. In fact I ordered Winchester cal .45 ACP Silver tip H.P. at 185 grains and received it.. I also ordered on back order .38 spl., .32, 9mm, and .380 ammo. Also found a decent shoulder holster for the PK380. It’s one of the generic for 3″ to 4″ barrel semi-autos. Cabela’s placed an advisory on the backordered ammo as from 0 to 5 days. Since they don’t send out shipping notices it just shows up.

  • Suzanne L.

    I just bought the Walther PK380 yesterday, and love it! It’s been over 10 years since I was at the range, and decided to get back into shooting regularly again. I have small hands, but wanted something with enough heft and not such a bad recoil. This was the answer. It felt beautiful in my hands, after shooting 100 rounds today I found it to be very easy to handle. It may be a tad big for my little purse, so I guess I’m going to get a bigger purse…

  • http://firearmcarry.blogspot.com/ codeman

    Dear Editor,
    With your permission I would like to invite your readers to a new blog that I’ve created to discuss Concealed Carry.

    I’ve created this blog to share knowledge of firearm safety, Federal and State Laws, tactics, training and gear selection all related to the subject of the Legal Concealed Carry of a Firearm.

    Please join us at http://firearmcarry.blogspot.com/

    Thank you,

  • Dave Olson

    Welcome to the “club”. You should get a great deal of pleasure shooting your KP380.

    Dave Olson
    New Mexico

  • Dave Olson

    Correction PK380. It’s one of those Mondays.

  • Elesa

    I just purchased my PK380 today – I love the way it feels in my hands. I currently own a browning 9mm Hi-Power, but find it too heavy and big to carry. The PK380 feels perfect. My question is will the P22 holsters fit my PK380?

  • Karl

    I don’t know if a P22 will work for the PK380. Fortunately DeSantis now offers a bunch of holsters for the PK380. I am recieving an IWB this week so I will know better then how it works but it is also the same one for the Glock 26/27 and 33.

  • http://firearmcarry.blogspot.com/ codeman

    Elesa,
    If your P22 holster is form fitted to the gun then it will not work for the PK380. If it’s a generic fit holster, it might.

  • Dave Olson

    This is more on ammunition then praising my PK380 every morning. Received an email ad from Cabelas a couple of weeks ago. They were advertising as in stock, Winchester in .38 spl and 45 APC. I’m the first to admit that I’ve never heard of their bonded PDX1 in .38 spl + P. It’s 130 grain JHP bonded. The other caliber in stock was again Winchester Bonded, PDX1, .45 APC automatic weighting in at 230 grain JHP bonded. Muzzle velocity for the cal .45 APC is 920 fps. At 25 yards 900 fps and at 50 it drops a little to 880 fps. Expansion is 1.5 times the original diameter. Now the 38 spl. +P has a muzzle velocity of 950 fps, at 25 yards 928 fps and 50 yards yields 908 fps. These figures were determined by the FBI’s real world testing. Getting hit by the .45 ACP most any ware would be comparable to a freight train. The cal .38 spl +would most likely set you on your butt. Target date for cal .380. Anybodies guess, but you can bet it will be good.

  • http://firearmcarry.blogspot.com/ codeman

    Dave,
    The ballistics on the ammo you mentioned are impressive, but I think I’ll stay with my Hornady Critical Defense. Muzzle velocity is 1000 fps and still at 910 at 50 yards for the 380 round through a 4″ barrel. That plus a hollow point guaranteed to mushroom consistently every time, regardless what type of heavy clothing it passes though first, it’s no mistake that this is what my PK380 and my Ruger LCP are loaded with at all times.

  • http://firearmcarry.blogspot.com/ codeman

    The PK380 has a half-cock safety. While cleaning my PK380 last night I discovered that with the manual safety located on the slide set to Fire, the hammer can be pulled back until the first click, which takes it off of the firing pin. From this position, a full trigger pull completes the double action of the first round fired. Now that I know this I’ve changed the condition of the firearm when I carry from hammer down safety on, to half-cocked safety off. This way I will not need to worry about the safety being on in a crisis situation. I will however continue to rake the safety in my dry fire training so that I’m still verifying the safety is off.

  • Ben B

    Codeman,
    Is this a safe way to carry the pk380? I have been looking in the manual and looking over the gun myself and I can’t see if there is anything other than the manual safety to keep the fireing pin from contacting the primer if the hammer should happen to fall without the trigger being pulled. Can you confirm this?

  • Pk380 Lover

    Yes Ben, it should be safe to carry that way. Empty your gun and lower the hammer all the way. Pull the hammer back just a bit till you hear it click. At this point flip the safety on and you will see that it is basically the same spot. It locks in a detent. I personally carry it that way and feel perfectly safe. But that is my opinion. :)

  • http://firearmcarry.blogspot.com/ codeman

    I can confirm Ben’s inquiry. I’m in the country right now and have the benefit doing a radical test of this theory. I just now took my PK380, with a round in the chamber, the safety off and the hammer at half-cocked position, outside in a safe environment to test this. I aimed the firearm in a safe direction and struck the hammer with a two-by-four as hard as I could, several times. The wood now has several indents of the firearm’s hammer. It did not fire and the hammer remained in place. As a result, this weapon will not fire unless you pull the trigger; therefore it is safe to carry it half-cocked with the safety off.
    This question was a good one and is just as valid as a Concealed Carry question as it is a PK380 question. I invite all who read this to my blog regarding this and all subjects of Legal Concealed Carry at
    Firearmcarry.blogspot.com

  • Ben B

    Thanks for the update, and sacrificing your guns finish the greater good.

  • http://firearmcarry.blogspot.com/ codeman

    No problem Ben. My PK380 First Edition is my workhorse. She may not be pretty but she shoots strait and never jams, 500 rounds and counting. The only time I’m not carrying it is when the weather’s too hot to ware sufficient cover clothing. Only then do I leave it home and carry my Ruger LCP. And I always carry a spare clip for both of them. I won’t be a victim for lack of shooting back.

  • Greg

    I just bought a pk380 and p22 set and am heading to the range this weekend. Matched serial numbers in a two gun case… gun geeks rejoice!

  • http://firearmcarry.blogspot.com/ codeman

    Greg,
    You’ve just bought two fine firearms there, enjoy them. Just remember that when you clean them to keep the guide pins and springs separate. If you do mix them up remember that the long pin and short spring go to the P22 and the short pin and long spring go to the PK380. Happy shooting.

  • Greg

    Nothing puts a smile on my face faster than a quality gun and now I have confirmed that I own two more. I shot the P 22 first and after a slight learning curve could tighten up my shots to less than a two inch group at ten yards. Not bad for a brand new gun… quite sure it’ll get much better than that with continued shooting. Then I picked up my PK 380 and the first shot punched it right on the x in the ten ring, upper right “arm.” I’m holding a one to one and a half inch group with it and, as with the other gun, will probably get better with continued shooting.
    I’m very happy with my purchase and actually looking forward to cleaning up these neat little guns so I can more closely inspect the workmanship. Great guns, great times…

  • http://firearmcarry.blogspot.com/ codeman

    I just found a serious tactical issue with the PK380. During dry fire practice I discovered that if I rack the slide by holding the firearm in the standard firing position and placing my non-firing hand over the slide to rack it during a reload, I consistently and inadvertently set the safety to safe. The solution to this is to turn the PK380 sideways, gangster style, and grabbing the slide with two fingers BELOW THE SLIDE and racking the slide that way. Doing this prevents the safety from being accidentally set to safe.
    I consider this a deal breaker for this being my primary defense weapon. However I am not saying that it is not still a good defensive weapon, just not for me. I’ve decided to upgrade to a Walther P99 compact.
    Therefore…
    My PK380 IS FOR SALE. But I will only sell it in or around Austin Texas, by meeting the buyer at a licensed firearm dealer to transfer the firearm legally. If interested, please post you interest with a secure email address, so that I can communicate directly. This way we can take the author of this blog out of the transaction and free of all legal responsibility.
    This is a one owner Walther PK380 First Edition with the large case, two magazines, your choice of four different gun locks and owner’s manual. It also comes with two additional magazines (total of 4 magazines) purchased from Walther and, if interested, some left handed holster(s). This PK380 has had approximately 500 rounds fired through it with zero jams. It is perfectly worn in and shows the appropriate ware on the barrel and chamber. There is no ware marks on any other part of the gun. THIS WEAPON HAS BEEN CLEANED EVERYTIME AFTER BEING FIRED, WITH OUT EXCEPTION. Because of the extreme care taken with this weapon and the extra clips, I am asking $400 firm for it. The buyer will also be responsible for any charges from the gun merchant for transfer fees.

  • Targa

    Codeman, I read this site regularly but do not actively post. I have Walther’s P22, P99c QA 40, and PPS 9mm. A good friend has a P99 AS 40. If you haven’t shot the PPS (in 9mm) I would strongly recommend you consider it before purchasing a P99c. The trigger on the PPS is similar to a QA in travel but about 2lb lighter. I do not like the AS trigger as the travel on this model is too looooong for me. The PPS is not as attractive but the dimensions of the PPS make it my favorite CCW when dressed light – it is extremely slim. It is very accurate for a compact and very well built. I prefer the take down of this weapon over any other Walther, XD or Glock.

  • http://firearmcarry.blogspot.com/ codeman

    Thanks for the info Targa. I’m actually looking at the Walther P99 compact, the PPS and the Glock 19. I agree with you that the QA trigger is better than the SA on the Walthers. The Glock only comes with a QA trigger. The PPS is my favorite right now but the other two hold a lot more rounds.
    My PK380 is a great gun and I hate to let it go, but I just won’t have a use for it when I purchase a 9 mil. I already have a Ruger LCP for a backup.

  • http://firearmcarry.blogspot.com/ codeman

    Targa, I thought you might like to know that I ended up getting the H&K P2000SK. I was looking at the P99 and the PPS and the sales rep slipped it in. I paid more than I wanted to, but found the perfect gun. This thing’s the exact same size as the PK380 in every way except width. (It’s thicker)

  • Ben B

    Has anyone here hit the 1000 rnd mark with the pk380 yet? If so could you give an update on how it has performed up to this point and if there was any continued barrel wear along the way.

  • Targa

    Codeman, excellent choice! I am familiar with the P2000SK and considered it when I purchased my P99c. I have been “encouraging” one of my shooting buddies to buy the P2000SK so I could shoot it once in awhile – he ended up getting another Glock. I am not sure how to articulate, but for some reason I have psychologically followed a pattern of: hammer-1911 (steel), no hammer – polymer. The haunting exception is the P2000SK and think someday it will eventually break the psychological barrier for me.

    I have been following this board to follow discussion of the PK380 as kids, wife and I all enjoy shooting the P22 and I was thinking of picking one up – just have not been able to justify cost when considering price/availability of 380 ammo vs 9mm, go figure up here in liberal Minnesota!

    I am envious of you gun and your state, GO TEXAS!!!

  • http://firearmcarry.blogspot.com/ codeman

    Targa,
    I suggest you move the family to Texas. We’d love to have you. Summers are hotter than hell, but at least we never have to shovel snow!
    On the PK380, I’d keep your eye’s open for a used one. With the economy the way it is, you might get lucky. I myself have mine for sale at Red’s Indoor Range in Austin, but being a Limited addition and having a total of 4 Walther brand magazines, I’m asking a pretty penny. I had this gun appraised at $500. Pretty good considering I paid $425 for it new and about $30 for each of the two extra mags.

  • http://firearmcarry.blogspot.com/ codeman

    Ben B,
    I didn’t hit the 1,000 round mark before I put my PK380 up for sale, but I did hit the 500 round mark. I clean my weapons after every use and noticed that the barrel “wear” stopped after about 100 to 150 rounds. The marks are still there on the barrel, but they’ve smoothed out and after that many rounds I never saw anymore. (Yes I’m so retentive that I would have noticed.) I can honestly say that after 500 rounds the firearm never jammed due to any fault of the weapon it’s self. I’ve had 3 miss feeds, but have no doubt that they were caused by my not holding the firearm firmly enough for the slide to function properly. (I shoot a few rounds with my “off hand” as part of my self defense practice.) I also had 4 miss feeds due to a weak spring in one of my magazines. I marked it after the second miss feed to confirm it was the issue. (It would fail to successfully load only the last round in the clip into the chamber.) I’ve since fixed it by stretching the spring and leaving it un-sprung for a few months.
    In summary, I wouldn’t sweat the barrel wear as it is part of the normal breaking for this weapon and will not cause continuing damage. Keep in mind that the metal of the barrel is stronger than the metal of the slide, therefore it’s actually the slide that is wearing in, and the marks you see on the barrel are only in the black finish. This is an extremely exceptional weapon in price, performance, accuracy, concealability and fun. I truly wish I could afford to keep mine, but bills come first and shooting isn’t a cheap hobby.

  • Dave Olson

    I come not praise nor bury the PK380. Be ridiculous since I own a First Edition and throughly enjoy it. But warm weather is already starting and will soon to hot in a few months, give or take. My uniform dress is t-shirt, shorts, Birkenstock sandals. Add a good sun repellent hat. I’m sure I can do a job or carrying my PK380 but not all the time. Then the time will come for my Beretta cal .32. Seven rounds in the magazine and one in the chamber. If you don’t think a .32 is not a man or woman stopper. One of the latest, a home owner defending herself. The place New Mexico where a middle aged woman, alone at home during the day. A burglar entered the residence. The woman armed with her cal .32 shot him once in the head, killing him instantly. The article did not mention if she had obtained a CCW.

  • http://firearmcarry.blogspot.com/ codeman

    I agree with you Dave. I’ve done a great deal of research on this over the past 6 months and basically what it boils down to is:
    One well placed 22 round has more stopping power than a full clip of badly placed 45s. The pizza deliver guy in Detroit is a great example. 12 rounds of 9 mil to the gut of his would be robber and the perpetrator didn’t move, fall or drop his gun. In fact the perp was pulling the trigger of his 45 auto the whole time; luckily he was too stupid to put a round in the chamber. If was a full 5 seconds after the pizza guys last shot (he emptied his gun) before the perp fell.
    In summary aim is more important than caliper. Go to the range and practice shooting a silhouette target in the upper chest (nipples to neck) and the mid face (eyebrows to bottom of nose). These are your stop shots regardless what caliper you use.
    It gets hot here too Dave and when I can’t ware a my fanny pack holster with my 9 mil, I’ll have my Ruger LCP in my pocket in a wallet holster.

  • Dave Olson

    Well I got lucky and found a small company that among other things, deals in ammunition. I called and found that he had received several different calibers. The one I was most interested in was the cal .380. His office gal called this morning and took my order for a single box (50 rds) of Speer .380. It’s either personal protection or law enforcement. Well I won’t worry about personal protection ammo for my PK380.

  • http://firearmcarry.blogspot.com/ codeman

    Dave,
    If your state will allow you to purchase ammo online, check out luckygunner.com. Everything they show is guaranteed in stock and they always have 380 cal. Also, shipping is super fast. I ordered 500 rounds of 9 mil on Wednesday and received them on Saturday of the same week. Damn good prices too.

  • Ted

    Bought a PK380 today for my wife. It’s replacing a P22. Primary duty is a firearm to keep near her when I am not at home.

    My wife is petite and simply cannot work the slide on a larger gun, and is very intimidated by the recoil she sees with them. A smaller .380 also doesn’t work for someone in this situation because both the trigger action and slide are often very stiff, and the recoil or transfer of energy to the hand is ferocious.

    So the PK380 is absolutely perfect for her. The .380 round is stronger than the .22 — especially important for someone who is not necessarily the most accurate shot… and so she gets more stopping power in a gun that’s still manageable for her.

    The only problem so far is that I overpaid by about $20 for the gun :). Well, I also notice that the slide wiggles a little from side to side.

    BTW prices on .380 at luckygunner.com are terrible. At my local gun range, as of today a box of 50 rounds of PMC (that lg wants ~$25 for) goes for $17.99.

  • http://firearmcarry.blogspot.com/ codeman

    The prices at luckygunner.com are bad if you buy one box at a time. But they’re good if you buy in bulk, which I highly recommend since you should get a lot of practice with your PK at the range.
    Practice makes perfect.
    Also, 380 rounds may be difficult to find in certain areas. If you have unlimited access to 380 rounds in your area Ted, then by all means, buy locally. It supports your local economy.
    Be safe and have fun.

  • Karl

    Thanks for the link to luckygunner. Yea the prices are terrible but I have ammo on backorder at midway and it has been for weeks. My mother has a few boxes that I had her pick up but finding ammo within three hours drive from here is almost impossible. It is a five hour drive to my moms house. You can find some 380 ammo in stock here but it is $25 for a box of 20.

  • Madjack

    I bought a PK380 after owning the P22 and liking most things about it, but the small caliber. After getting it home I’ve had some buyers remorse. First off I expected it to look more like the P22 than a Glock with it’s squared off slide. The grip doesn’t have adaptable backstraps like the P22. And I think the ergonomics of the P22 grip is better.
    Function wise I don’t like not having a slide lock. I guess when you get down to it I would have be happier if they would have just taken the P22 and up scaled it up enough to accept the .380. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a fine gun, but unless you just wanted because it’s a Walther, there are other good choices out there.

  • Clint

    My wife just purchased one for her conceal carry permit. The main factor was ease of use and slide operation. The action was easily worked by her, whereas almost every other one she tried, the action was too tough, excepting the Bersa 380. In the end however, the Walther just felt better in her hands. I’d buy one for myself if they made it in a single stack 9mm. Finally, at Academy in San Antonio TX it costs $369.

  • Karl

    Hi Clint

    If you are seriously looking, look at the P99 compact it is pretty close to the same size. There is a heafty price difference though.

  • jsmith

    I recently purchased a PK380. I love it and carry it daily. My only issue is this: I load a magazine (safety on), chamber a round, check to see the safety in “on” then squeeze the trigger to go into DA mode. The weapon is only a month and a half old with about 75 rounds having been put through it. Yesterday, I go through that same process and when the slide goes forward, the safety (external F/S safety, not internal/trigger safety) snaps in half, pops off the weapon and falls to the floor. Walther has offered to pay to have the weapon shipped to and from Walther and fix it for free. Anyone else have this problem?

  • Dave Olson

    It’s interesting that both pistols would appear to be produced with in certain time frame. I’ve had mine for a number of months. The serial number on mine is only three numbers in the First Edition model. I carry mine with a round in the chamber and the external safety on. I have had no problems with mine,, but keep us informed if it warrants a safety recall.

  • Ben B

    I’ve heard this from a few people now regarding the safety breaking. All of the complaints have been from people who engage the safety and then pull the trigger to drop the hammer on the safety drum. I don’t think this drum can take the abuse of the hammer falling on it constantly. Even when the safety is on I still lower the hammer with my thumb like I would on any other pistol. However I do think that if a company is going to put a feature like this in and advertise it as such then it should be able to take the day to day abuse without breaking.

  • jsmith

    I received the postage for my broken PK380 yesterday and promptly put the weapon in the mail. I am hoping to have the weapon back in a month or so, but there is no timetable from Walther. I agree with Ben Bon that if Walther is going to put an external safety on the weapon, it should be a bit stronger. We use to carry the M9 and it had the ambi safety decocker. I believe that I have gotten use to just rotating the safety and watching the hammer go forward without ever thinking about the possible damage, but then again Beretta designed the M9 to operate that way. When the PK380 returns, I will use my thumb to put the hammer forward instead of pulling the trigger. Thanks for the advice/info! I will report back in when my weapon is returned and I am carrying it again.

  • Ben B

    I don’t understand why they push the idea of using the safety on the p22 and pk380 as a decocker. When a gun has a decocker built into it usually able to do this because you don’t have to pull the trigger. With most guns now unless you pull the trigger the firing pin is either locked or angled away from the chambered round so when the hammer falls it can’t fire. With the way that the pk380 and p22 are set up you just have a drum that rotates and blocks the firing pin. If you look close it only keeps the hammer off the pin by a hair. I don’t think it would take long before this was wore down enough that a hammer could inadvertantly hit the pin. If this happens the gun will go off because you had to pull the trigger which in turn disengages all other firing pin safeties. I know it’s a slim chance. But then again so are the chances of needing to use your defense pistol but I still plan for that.

  • marcos

    hey everyone I had a quick question. I recently just bought the match combo set of the p22 and the pk380 and I love them both. The p22 hasn’t caused me any problems, but I have had some issue’s with the 380. My problem is when Im firing off my rounds, after the gun ejects a round and chambers the next one the slide doesnt come all the way forward, so it basiclly stays partly open. This doesnt happen all the time but it has occured more then two occasions already. The ammo I used was winchester, and I shot 100 rounds through it. Could it be that the gun just needed some breaking in? I also thought that when I first got the guns they seemed to be over oiled, could the gun have built up some gunk from the first few rounds? or maybe it was operator error? The p22 didnt cause any problems nor did my glock 23 when I bought it new as well please let me know if you haveany ideas. Thank you

  • jsmith

    I had the same problem a few times when releasing the slide….if you call it releasing. I would just yank back on the slide after putting in a new mag. I think that the solution to your problem might be either the ammo is a little underpowered or your grip needs to be a little bit more tight. Not taking a shot at your manliness, I had that problem with a few sidearms when I first got into shooting. Squeeze a little harder on the grip, if it helps then problem solved, if not then try a different brand of ammo. As for over oiled…my PK380 was still seeping lube after almost two months of use. You could be correct in that there is too much lube causing the weapon to have a carbon overload leading to the slide not functioning 100%. Take it down as far as you can, use a ton of cloths to wipe it and try that. Let us know what you come up with.

  • Andy

    I just got my hands on one of these PK380′s 3-25-10
    Went to the range today & put 100 rounds of winchester
    amo and no problems. I also have a P22 with a walther
    lazer. I like both of these guns verry well. The lazer fits the
    PK380 and looks very streamline just like on the P22

    Other guns I own
    Glock 26 9mm
    Glock 19 9mm
    S&W 586 .357 Mag
    S&W 642 .38 +p Air weight
    LPC .380
    Tarus 709 9mm on vacation in fl. feeding problems.
    Just took CCL class 2 weeks ago.
    So far winter with a coat on all day G26 padel hplster,no jacket 709 or PK380 IWB summer shorts & T shirt LPC.
    Every one shoot often and
    THINK SAFTY WHEN HANDLEING FRIE ARMS.

  • Karl

    Well I finally got a chance to go do some target practice with mine. I have only owned Smith and Wesson (44mag and 10mm) and they both came with adjustable sites. I was really surprised and happy about the accuracy out of the box. I admit I miss the decocker and I am not particularly crazy about the way you have to chamber a round but I had no problems with it. I need a lot more work firing it from the double action though. Next I just have to get my wife some time using it.

  • jsmith

    I got my PK380 back from Smith & Wesson yesterday. Works perfectly fine. I am going to ride the hammer forward now as opposed to just squeezing the trigger and letting it go forward. I wish that Walther/Smith & Wesson had made the safety a bit stronger though.

  • Andy

    Does any one know if the PK380 can handle 380+p amo
    Thanks

  • jsmith

    I have ran some Hornaday through mine, I believe it is +P. Put about 10-15 rounds through it, not a lot but I had no issues.

  • Hawkwind

    Before you go putting this gun down (Wlather PK380) go and shoot it.
    I just bought one and put fifty rounds inside the diameter of a shot glass.
    No issues with jams or any others. This is not the only gun I own and shoot.

  • Gunbear

    Just picked up a PK380 today. Going to take it to the range this weekend.

  • jsmith

    I got my PK380 back from Walther and no problems so far. I re-read the owner’s manual and while it is vague, it does make reference to not slamming home the hammer while on safe. And I bought another PK380 this past Saturday. I like this little gun a lot and recommend it.

  • Mike

    I decide to trade in my tiny Ruger LCP because I have very large hands and could not hang on the the petite grip of the Ruger I kind of like the .380 caliber. I can fire off 9 aimed rounds much faster and more controlled than with a 9mm or .45. Also, the Ruger was very inaccurate even for a “belly” gun. I have shot both informal and competitively for over 40 years, and I had a very hard time hitting a man size target at anything over 15 yards. Perhaps it was the gun-I don’t know, but the Walther is very accurate and fits my hands very well. I also like the external hammer, manual safety,DA/SA action and the drift adjustable sights. And it does fit in my front pocket, or a belt holster. If I could find a .380 between the LCP and the PK with DA/SA function- that would be great.

  • Dave

    You want a small 5 shot revolver in cal .22 long or .22 magnum, look at North American arms. They are not derringers. ATF has said ‘revolvers.’ The safety lies in the position of the hammer. Between two chambers on the cylinder. AS long as you don’t cock it, it is fool proof. Now no one has said you will shoot the old Camp Perry courses, and the likes of two of the finest shooters representing the Border Patrol. Bill Jordan was one, other was Don Blankenship. Although I count myself lucky to have “shot” Camp Perry, and seeing those two in action. I myself would put maximum accuracy at around eight feet. Anything else is luck or a throw away. These are quality little revolvers made in Utah. With the constant improvement in cal .22 ammo, it is a force to be reckoned with. So if you are looking for small, look no farther.

  • http://firearmcarry.blogspot.com/ codeman

    In response to Dave’s comments on the North American Arms 22 magnum mini revolver, this firearm also has a half-cock safety like you will find on some single action revolvers and lever action rifles. I find the half-cock safety much easier to deal with than trying to drop the hammer between two rounds on the cylinder.
    I carry mine with the half-cock safety on over a live round in a ankle holster with a velcro strap retainer across the hammer preventing the gun from being cocked or falling out of the holster. This little single action revolver is a suprisingly dependable, easy to use and accurate for its size.

  • Dave

    For Codeman:
    Pulled out the box with all the extra stuff. You had awaken my mind reference safeties on those little .22s. I’m going to quote ” All NAA ( North American Arms) are equipped with multiple safeties. However, because of the small size ( 1 1/8 inch barrel ). So much to keep the corporate lawyers happy”. Safety operation; all NAA mini-revolvers come with the traditional half cock safety, which you mentioned. NAA goes on to say, because of the design of the cylinder, the HALF-COCK safety is used only for loading and unloading. NAA mini-revolvers main safety is located on the cylinder. Notice the safety slots between the chambers on the cylinder; these slots allow the hammer blade to rest into one of these slots, locking the cylinder, allowing you to carry the gun with all five chambers loaded with no chance of an accidental discharge.

  • Scott

    OK I am chiming in on some of the comments. I have MS and have problems at times grasping my hand guns handicaps can be a problem when you shoot. I have a Ruger P95 that I love dearly but the grip is wide and if I needed to use it I could but it does cause problems at times. I have gone to a 380 because of the large enough round to stop someone, I have 2 that are very nice and easy to handle. The walther pk380 is an excellent pistol with one down fall it needs to have the same ability as the P22 with interchangable front sights that would make it more accurate. My other 380 is a (don’t Laugh) Hi Point I find it to be better than the walther lol for a 3rd of the price. Both are exc ellent weapons though.

  • MikeS

    The PK380 saftey broke this morning at the range. I’ve owned for about 3 months and have put maybe 200 rounds through it. I don’t sit at home squeezing the trigger on it either banging away on the safety if you know what I mean. When I bought the pistol, I commented on the fact that I thought it was odd that you could pull the trigger completely through and bang the hammer on the safety block. That can’t happen on the PPK/S of mine. I’m really pretty disappointed about this, seems like a major design flaw as well as safety issue in my opinion. It would be pretty stupid if you dropped the hammer on “safe” and it broke and engaged the firing pin (and even stupider if there was a round in the chamber). Other than that, I love this pistol, it is very accurate and my wife can operate the slide with ease (which is why I purchased this over the Bersa).

  • eddie

    for the guys and gals who have arthritis and shoulder problems get supercissus rx by usplabs. search it and u can get it cheap. it is a god send. as i tore my rotator cuff and it has rebuilt it in less than 3 months. back to shooting though. i just got a clipdraw for my walther pk380 as i could not find a good holster for it, to carry concealed. it is amazing and at 26 dollars including shipping it is hard to beat. it takes about 2 minutes to put on and wears like a glove.
    http://www.clipdraw.com

  • Karl

    Midway got some cheaper Speer ammo today it is FMJ. I just ordered a couple of boxes and I problably should have ordered a case of it.

    http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=995962

    Eddy DeSantis makes holsters for the PK380. I purchased a leather IWB and it works well. They may have even more now.

  • Dave Olson

    I have been noticing for some time some shaking in my left hand. My right is fine, (strong hand). When I shot to qualify for my CWC I used the standard two hand grip with my S&W 640-1, using .38 cal ammunition. I shot and qualified but did not like the idea of “throwing my first round”. “Throwing a round” is essentially missing but still cutting paper. So I went to the computer and did research on ballistics. Now I qualified with the .45 ACP from my Colt Commander, with a nice group. I’ve been shooting the .45 acp since 1963 in the military police. Then further qualified expert as well when the Air Force was carrying a.38 S&W MP, then switched to the Berretta .9 mm
    For CCW I settled on a S&W model 637, airweight in stainless, chambered for .38 plus .38 plus +. I enjoy my hammerless in my S&W 640.1, 38 or .357. But that is a long and hard trigger pull on the 640-1. With my weak side. My 637-1 has an exposed hammer which which is very beneficial shooting weak side.

  • Marcos

    My two brothers and I took my p22, pk380, and glock out to shoot. My 8 year old nephew was with us and wanted to shoot the p22 so with his dads permission (my oldest brother who was shooting with us) I loaded 5 rounds into the mag of the gun. I was helping every step of the way from holding it, aiming and squeezing off the rounds and he did great. so great that he was hitting paper. On the last round the bullet casing ejected and landed on the top of his right trigger hand and obviously it was hot leaving a burn. He got spooked and immediatley dropped the the gun with the slide open into the sandy dirt which is not a big deal cause the gun can always be cleaned out but this was alot if sandy dirt. After I cleaned it twice it still doesnt feel quite right, I can fire all ten rounds both slowly and quickly with out it jamming. Any ideas on what I could do?? (By the way nephew is fine and wants to shoot again)

  • http://firearmcarry.blogspot.com/ codeman

    I have a P22 question.
    I’ve run well over 1,000 rounds through my P22 and I clean and lube it after every session. As of late, it’s gotten were it miss feeds about 5 to 10 rounds out of 100. This gives me a lot of “tap, rack” practice, but I was wondering if anyone had an idea as to what’s causing it and what would be a good solution. Could the return spring be getting weak?

  • Karl

    Have you tried cleaning the clips. They build up with the coating that .22 rounds are covered in as well as powder and that can cause feeding problems. I have a Remington 597 rifle that the clips seem to gum up but a good washing with a solution of Dawn and water and then put them back together gets them to working good. It is easy to tell with it because those clips will just stick. I don’t know about the SP22 but all the pistols I have, in the owners manual there is a section for cleaning the clips.

  • Papa Ed

    Codeman,

    If you are putting in 1000 rounds per session, might be heat issues with the return spring. How does the slide feel on the frame? Is it loose at all? Walther says that the zinc alloy of the slide may wear after the first 5000 rounds. That’s why I started oiling mine up with synthetic oil. Could also be the clip spring. If you don’t have an extra clip lying around empty without tension, you should. I found also the there are two tabs, very small at the back of the top of the clip which aide in the ejection of the shell. If either are bent or one is missing, the bullet will smokestack prior to breech loading for fire. And that’s inconsistent, sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn’t. I found this out after I purchased a used P22 some years back and discovered that one of the tabs was missing. (Broken likely from slamming the clip either too hard on loading or down on the top feed surface.) In any event it’s always good to keep a couple of clips about empty and to change them out with loaded every three months or so and let them relax, so to speak. Slide springs should be readily available. Hope this helped.

  • Dave Olson

    Of late I’ve seen a number of PK380s with either the lip on the magazine or as someone said, “you can expect it to wear out”. I imagine that Walther is referring to tensile strength. Going back some 40 odd years in Vietnam, and as only one of two Military Police Companies in country. We were spread out from DaNang to Soc trang deep in the delta. I had my squad of MPs all were issued the standard M-14. Having made friends with the Special Forces ‘B’ detachment, particularly their weapons NCOIC. Ha had a very nice arsenal. Told me to choose me some more handy then the M-14.
    I chose a “grease gun”. Originally designed for use by paratroopers during WWll. It was carried on into the Korean mess. Anyway after I was in Nam I was offered the grease gun with a pouch for 5 extra mags. 25- or 30 per mag. I then had a ranger show me how to tape two additional mags to the central mag. I had some damn good fire power with that little gun. Nothing fancy, it operated on the blowback design. The bolt and barrel were steel, the rest stamped out by machine.
    OK, I always had my men replace the mags they carried for fresh ones. Clean and inspect every couple of weeks. Weak springs, ‘lips; on the mags for proper feeding, but no oil. In the dry season we’d come back looking red from the dust. Now they had stopped making the grease gun, years before. The point being the were old and worn but they matched my requirements. I carried that beat up old ‘grease gun’ for 11 months.
    My M-14 jamed three times in critical situations. I had simply lost confidence I put in my wall locker. Real life situation, coming back to PLeiku, it was already dusk. WE had the rear position. About 100 yards between my jeep and the last 2 1/2. Hearing shots fired. We I kept us about about a 100 yards. A surprise assault team. As we crested the hill we saw three VC with weapons. I told Dick to drive and Littlejohn and I would handled the VC. Dick laid on the horn and Littlejohn and and I prepared. Basically all I can remember was my grease gun was flawless. I saw three standing by the road, mouths dropping, as I knocked down three. Surprised, you bet. Back to the article. Clean, clean, clean.

  • Dave Olson

    Shortly after I had purchased my PK380 First Edition, 3 figure serial, I realized I needed another trigger lock key. One is supplied but I knew I would better having an extra on hand. I called Walther and talked to their head of supply in the US. He advised they had no extras. However he would place an order for me. This was in October. During the week just ending I received not one but two separate trigger lock keys. This gives me a total of three. Now I know what Walther calls them, trigger lock keys. Nothing to do with take down or anything else. I thought it was nice they actually filled my requests at no charge. 06/19/2010.

  • Mike

    I Finally got a chance to take my PK.380 to the range. I tried several different bullets configurations. I shot 90 gr hollow points loaded with 4.6 gr of Unique (1200 fps through the chrono) , 115 gr HP loaded with 4 gr of unique. I also fired quite a few cast bullet loads-and they all shot flawlessly! Not one fail to feed or misfire. I would not want to shoot in competition with it, but it does hold it’s own. My wife really liked the little .380. She had no problem emptying a full magazine rapid fire. And hold them on a pie plate size target at 15 feet.

  • Dave

    Hi to PK380 shooters and fans. Just wanted to let you know I found yet another source for holsters. It’s called ‘The HolsterStore.com’. They offer a full line for Walthers with special attention to the PK380. I ordered an IWB with a 15 degree cant and body slide protector. In addition I ordered one of their magazine pouches which stacks 2 mags in a single pouch.

  • http://WaltherPistolCompact John

    I started down the Walthers path by buying my wife the P-22. It is easy to point, shoot and carry. I was truly impressed with it the first time I fired it. I’m a peace officer and carry off-duty. I bought the PK 380 to two reasons. I frequently ride a motorycle and the the PK 380 fits very well and lies flat in an inside vest pocket designed for concealed carry. Also, if I am away from home, my wife can use the PK 380 for a little more punch defending herself at home, without having to learn a second system.

    I have a Beretta model 86 and it is a fine piece. The high capacity magazines are great leanding additional fire power. But it is as big and heavy as my Glock duty weapon or the other 9 mms and .40 cals I own.

    The trigger reset on the PK 380 is incredible. After the long first double action shot, follow up shots are crisp and incredibly quick.

    I love it. I’ll be glad when there are some decent holsters made for it.

    Oh, one thing. I need to see this federal law that gives a 21 foot limit before you can defend yourself. Let someone that close who is skilled at knife fighting and you will bleed out before your handgun turns out the lights on the knife fighter.

    For deadly force, you have to be afraid for your life or the life of another, or in fear of great bodily injury. The test is what would a “reasonable” man do under the identical circumstances. If someone threatens you with a pool cue but is 50 feet away, you shouldn’t shoot. However, if he approaches you to a distance where a “reasonable” man would feel threatened, you may clearly defend yourself.

  • robert h

    Purchased my wife a PK380, for the way it fits in her hand and how it shoots. She fired my 9mm but due to the wieght she had some difficulties. Her accuracy has greatly improved with the 380.

  • Dave

    Went out to the range Friday. Intention was to fire 100 rounds of Mexican ammunition, which can be found along the US/Mexican boarder. I made the purchase of the .380 in the US side. The other thing I wanted to check was the operating design of my PK 380. I had dropped it several times, loaded, with safety on, and unloaded. Well, with it loaded, safety on, you can stand there all day pulling the trigger and nothing will happen. When I dropped it, round in the chamber, safety on, nothing happened. Out at the range I tried to get it to fire, loaded, round in chamber, safety on, nothing. Move the safety lever forward and bang. I guess I’m a little confused reading about how some try to circumvent the safety. I always carry it with a round in the chamber (CCW). OK it will fire if you drop the magazine with a round in the chamber. Put it on safe, it won’t. Simple. Even being dropped several times at home no malfunctions.

  • Bill

    Bought my pk 380 about a month ago really like the way it fits my hand and I like the look of it. Finally got to go shoot it this weekend ran two clips through it no problems from that point on every clip had 1 or 2 spent shells stay in the breech. It was like the ejecter wasnt grabbing the shell. When I got the weapon new I cleaned it because the thing was dripping with oil from Walther. The ammo I bought from the gun dealer it was all he had it was FMJ 6,0 92 grs.I hope it is the ammo, does anyone have any input on this ammo. Or is it problem with the weapon. Also this is the first semi auto pistol I own. Thankful for any help.

  • Bill

    The ammo is lellier&bellot

  • Karl

    Bill,

    Cabella’s tried to get me to purchase that .380 ammo instead of the ammo I have on backorder. If you read the first few reviews at Cabella’s you would think it is great ammo and maybe the newer batches are. If you keep looking at the reviews you will see a lot of people have problems with the Sellier and Bellot ammo in .380 which is why I passed on the stuff. I would try different ammo before taking it to a gunsmith. Good luck finding different ammo for it.

  • Mike

    Bill,

    I would take the gun back to where you purchased it and have them take a look at it. I shot S&B ammo through mine with no problem. I also shot a number of both cast and jacketed reloads with no problems at all-some reloads were at the maximum of what is recommended. I even tried shooting it with a relaxed grip to try to get is to malfunction and no miss-fires or failure to feeds. I did this to be sure my wife would have no problems. My wife actually shot a couple of clips rapid fire with no problems. Definitely have the gun shop that sold it to you take a look at it. It may just need a good cleaning. Good luck and keep us posted.

  • Scott

    OK you all can laugh I have put 900 winchester flay nose rounds through mine they are 33 bucks a box at walmart great for target practice and zeroing if you do that. I have had 1 bad round 33 for 100 rounds and one jam I wish i had those odds at the track lol. PP ammo go with powr ball it is flawless extreme shock works well too. If no ammo works well good luck I am still wasiting on replacement p22 sites i ordered from SW 2 months ago.

  • Dave Olson

    With regards to Cabelas and their ammo. I received a small catalog dealing with shooting, hunting, etc. What I found interesting is that they go out of their way to tell you about the source of the ammo; USA or foreign. For made in USA they put a little emblem saying that a particular brand is made in the USA. I guess if you don’t see the little emblem, it’s foreign. They had a half page of pistol/revolver ammo that Cabelas said was made in Russian Republic.

  • Bill

    Thanks for the replies, I will try some different ammo. What type do you guys use? I would like some for target shooting and some for personal protection.

  • Scott

    Like I said above for ammo I use Winchester 380 from walmart for target peer ball or extreme shock for personal prrotection

  • Scott

    Sorry PWR ball for personal protection you can use blazer too for target

  • Karl

    Bill
    I have shot the doubletap ammo just because it is what I could find. It shot well. It was a 95 grain JHP.
    I also have shot the PMC Bronze 90 grain FMJ. Neither have had any misfires.
    Since .380 ammo is hard to find for me I have boxes of ammo that I have yet to shoot like Aquila, Speer Lawman FMJ, Remington FMJ. I need to find some time to go out and shoot each one after I do then I will update on the full results.

  • Ben B

    Bill,

    If you ask 10 people what shoots well in their gun you could get 10 different answers. I use winchester for practice as well but I find speer gold dot shoots best out of my gun on the pp end of things. In a world where we have money oozing out of our eyeballs I would buy a box of every brand and weight of personal protection ammo and find out which shoots best in my gun. But what I would recommend is find out what seems to be the 3 most used pp rnds by the pk owners. Buy a box of each and try them out. Use whichever you shoot best. Not all guns like the same ammo even if they are the same model.
    Also noted that on a few other blogs people have been having this same problem with the S&B .380 ammo.

  • Dave

    Went out to the range last Friday. Fired over 100+ rds of Aguila. Anyway this ammo is made in Mexico and is owned by an American firm. All the rounds chambered, fired and ejected correctly. My one complaint with that particular ammo is it’s dirty. Even though it is FMJ the barrel took a good long cleaning. It’s good practice rounds, but clean, clean after shooting.

  • Scott

    all who use a .380 a new ammo is out called usa ammo got to get it on line great target ammo and good price check it out at the web site 1499 a box is clean and no problem with the 100 i fired. They also have some rifle and pistol ammo and soon 6.8 spc for rifle.

  • jsmith

    It’s reload, so be careful.

  • Bill

    Finally got some winchester ammo the gun fired with out a problem thanks for all the advice!

  • Dave Olson

    If you are looking for an OWB and worn on belt. Go to Walther section and see nicely crafted leather holsters made specifically for each model, including the PK 380.

  • david

    Got my 2nd handgun last week. The PK380 is i a great change up to my Browning 9mm. Both are easy to shoot but the 9mm is bigger and heavier… not much but enough that i can’t put it in my pocket without sagging and knowing it is there. the PK380 fits in my pocket or driver side glove box and has a great grip for a large man (6’3″), fitting nicely in the hand; being comfortable with the gun you carry is more important than a little more power. I was looking at the ruger lcp and the taurus tcp but the small grip that leaves the pinky hanging just didn’t feel secure. I was looking at the .22 version and wanted a little more thump. Happened across the PK380 and instantly knew it was what i wanted. I still shoot the 9mm at the range and keep it by the bed but there is a new gun for protection on the move and after taking it to the range i feel comfortable that at 25ft 8 accurate rounds will suffice. All good… except i haven’t got the laser accessory, still looking got the one that specifically goes with the pk380.

  • JSmith

    Has anyone has any issues with the safety flipping to “fire” when you pull the slide back? Numerous times now, I will go to unholster my PK380 at the end of the day and I notice the safety is on “fire” when I know that I had the safety on. I know that it was on safe because I always chamber a round and slowly ride the hammer forward because if you are on safe and snap the hammer down, it will eventually break the safety (already had to ship it to S&W once for this problem….go up the page and you’ll see the post). SO, I have begun running the slide back and forth on safe and noticed the safety pops to “fire” when running the slide.

    Anyone else had this problem? Or are all of you going to and replicate my issue now because it gives you a chance to play with your PK380? :’)

  • JSmith

    And to answer David….I believe that the Walther P22 laser will fit the PK380, but do not quote me.

  • Andy

    P22 laser does fit The PK380 I have both guns & p22 laser
    no problems with Pk380 with white box winchester

    Just got walther G22 and the P22 laser does not fit.
    G22 has its own laser,fun gun.

  • http://FMGM07@BELLSOUTH,NET Garry May

    REALLY ENJOYED COMMENTS ON WALTHER PK380. BOUGHT ONE AT GUN SHOW TODAY. hAVE TWO RUGER LCPS, ONE WITH CRIMSON TRACE SIGHTINGS, tRIGGER PULL ON THE LCPS TOO STIFF FOR MY WIFE TO SHOOT, AND i DON’T LIKE IT EITHER. cAN’T WAIT TO SHOOT WALTHER,

  • Reverend

    My first Walther was a PPK/S which I have owned since the early 70′s. I had the trigger pull customized to a 4# pull. I loved that piece, but became a small-time gun addict, bringing me to own S&W, Ruger, Browning, Hi-standard, Star, Kimber, Colt and an UZI, to name a few. All of various calibers and all (except UZI) are frequently shot.
    Never owned a Polymer weapon until I bought the Walther PK380 in Nickel. I enjoy the grip, the feel, the weight and how it has been shooting. I use either 94 or 95 Grain loads and have used Serbian and USA made ammunition without any faults. The PK380 is an inexpensive weapon which I carry everyday in either an Uncle Mikes #15 (IWB) or a Belly Band Holster that holds 2 extra magazines. It is fun to shoot at the range and for a .380 I have been surprised by the great groupings at either 15 or 20 yards.
    I also became creative by making my own “Take Down Key,” that I carry on my key chain. From Ace Hardware, for $1.79 I got a tire stem valve tool, punched out the center tool to fit on my key ring, filed down and smoothed the edges down and expanded the slot a hair. It works better and is stronger than the Walther Key. All of that took me at the most 5 minutes. Now I enjoy it even more by my own personalization of that key.

  • Ben B

    Jsmith,

    You said that you’ve already sent this gun back for the spool? How many rnds since then?
    I’m just curious because if your safety is popping up when you move slide to the rear, then it sounds like the spool is making contact with the lower assembly. I’m wondering if this might be the reason your spool ( and a few others) might have broke to begin with.
    Until your post I believed that it was just people dry fireing but now I think you might have just found the real problem.

  • Mike P

    Pk380 Owner for one month now. First hand gun for me and I am suprised how well I can shoot it up to 50ft. I have had issues with ammo however. I purchased 3 additional mags and have numbered them all to track different ammo while at the range. I usually run 200 rounds per session and seem to have stove pipe or double feed issues near the end of each session. Every 3-5 shots. Not Cool! Good Tap/clear/Rack practice I guess. So far I have noticed the lellier&bellot and PPU (Serbian?) are the one’s that jam the worst. I have had better luck with: Winchester Supreme, Blazer, American, and even PNC. I will be trying some White Box Winchester in a few days. Any ideas if the problems are brand specific, heat build-up, dirty (fouling), or just a Rookie “limp wristing”?

  • Karl

    Mike

    There was discussion about this some time back. Someone else was having problems with the Sellier & Bellot. I told them I had a chance to purchase that ammo from Cabellas a while back and from reloading ammo it is only as good as how you make it. So I read the comments that people had wrote on it and it seemed there where a lot of people who complained about the .380 ammo. Go to Cabellas and look for yourself it is a long read. Others on here have had no problems with that brand of ammo but I believe the poster said he switched ammo and his problem seemed to disappear. I believe it is within the last couple of pages.

  • jsmith

    I sent the PK380 back the first time because of the safety breaking. I did not know (at the time but I do now) that you could not just let the hammer slam home when on safe (like you can with a Beretta 92 for example). I believe that I have put appx. 50 rounds through the PK380 since it was returned to me by Smith and Wesson.

  • Bill

    Yes I was the one had trouble with sieller ammo with my wather pk 380 switched to winchester white box had no trouble with mis feeds

  • Don Pearce

    I have a PK380 and love it. I know that there are other handguns the same size and similar weight in larger calibers but have always been a fan of the 380. It has the power to do what is neccessary at self-defense distances .

    Having other weapons of the 380 caliber it makes it easy to only purchase and maintain a supply of one caliber than having to stock pile ammo for a dozen different guns in a dozen different calibers.

    I do the same thing in long guns. 12 gauge and 30-06., even though I have several different shotguns and rifles I still prefer to keep the same caliber, less home inventory and when I grab a weapon no matter what the use its not hard to find the ammo that fits. I hunt with a guy who has 3 different gauge shotguns and on more than one trip we had to go find shells cause he
    brought a the wrong gauge.

    Sorry to ramble but every one has an opinion and I wanted to express mine.

    don

  • SykoticSteveO88

    here is the holster for you guys with a pk380 w/ laser this also advertises other very nice holster for both Walther and a number of other different companies. got to ebay.com this the item #190457933114

  • Murrell

    I own a PK380 and love it. The recoil is lighter than a 9mm or .45. Which means you can stay on target after the first shot. In a home defence situation, follow up shots need to be on target. Don’t get me wrong, I love the punch of the .45. But like someone else brought up, you don’t want the bullet going through the bad guy and killing the ones you are trying to protect.

  • SykoticSteveO88

    Its great to see people with a positive feed about this pistol i have owned mine for a lil over a month now and have only had one miss feed ive decided that the ammo best for this is the Hornady critical defense 90grFTX ammo. i also use Win PDX1 for PD both of these are great and have low recoil but with the Win. i find that the tips are a lil too wide and like to get caught at the mouth of the chamber. This is also how i got my first miss feed. If anyone else has had a similar problem id like to know also i bought mine w/laser and noticed that after about 5-6 rounds it becomes off to the right a lil bit. Wondering if anyone might have a solution to this defect. And last for all of you that think the 380 is a plinker compared to a .9 or .45 i can promise you your missin out cuz ill have 2 to the chest one to the head before you get your second shot off and know that im not shootin through you. cuz when that happens guess what else???? So does adrenilin and prob not even feel the damn thing.

  • jsmith

    I like my PK380 a lot. I also feed it Hornady Critical Defense. A guy here in town shot another guy who was robbing his little business. Guy gave him two Hornday Critical Defense rounds to center mass. Bad guy dropped and never came up. As for the .380 vs. .40 vs. .45 arguement, I like both my PK380 and 1911. They each get the job done, the each have their positives and negatives. Pick which one works for you and go with it….or be like me, have both, carry both.

  • david

    I love my Pk380 and my 11 yr old can use it on the tactical course with me using my browning high power and we can compare results… PK380 handles great and with the low recoil it is perfect for him and ideal for me using it as an accurate concealed weapon (with hollow points at 15 ft any one i shoot wouldn’t know difference from my 9mm). Until recently I have had no problems at all with the PK380, i was a walking advertisement but now there are two things that really have me bothered. First – I have been experiencing jams lately when the ejector isn’t removing the spent round (keep a clean gun and it isn’t mistreated). Recently I got a good deal on 1000 rounds of Federal American Eagle ammo to use at the range (got hollow points in it when carrying). I hadn’t had jams until using the AE ammo; so today i went and got a 100rds of Remington FMJ to see if it was the ammo causing the jam, and i went to the range and fired off 150 AE rds and had 3 jams and then fired the 100 Remingtons and not a jam so i am attributing the JAMS TO FEDERAL BRAND AMERICAN EAGLE AMMO -dont rely on it. Second – i noticed unusual wear in the barrel between the rifling. After further inspection i noticed a tiny ridge perpendicular to each groove at the base of each groove next to the chamber. the ridge is about 1.5 mm long and about as thick as a finger nail. The ridges are consistent length and height all around the barrel at each groove and correspond to the wear that is between the grooves the length of the barrel. I went to the store where i purchased the gun and looked at a brand new PK380. The ridges are there in the new gun but hardly noticeable without the wear in barrel. SO now i’m concerned about the wear and long term effect it will have on the gun! so far it hasn’t done anything to the accuracy… the only thing i see it is doing is causing the wear on the barrel. the guys at the gun shop don’t think it is a problem but said they’d mail it off to Walther if I contact them and they think i should mail it in. I sent Walther/Smith and Wesson an email about 2 weeks ago with pictures of both the ridges and wear (wife camera has macro option so was able to see it even better on computer) but got no response. Has anyone else noticed these ridges and/or wear in barrel between the rifling/grooves? I would love to hear everyones thoughts on this issue.

    David

  • DROC

    I have this gun, an i love it…people who knock it just have that big ego about having a bigger gun all together! I have the licence to carry an this gun is not a problem to conceal with the right holster! An if you would like to find one, you can find in here…

    http://www.fobusholster.com/products/WALTHER_PK_380_EVOLUTION_PADDLE_HOLSTER-7106-0.html\

    I also get what some of you say about finding other guns that are smaller an pack a bigger punch, but this goes to show you that the walther pk380 is not for everyone!

  • DROC

    David

    I have noticed some simmilar issues with my gun, i dont remember what type of ammo i got when i went to the range, but the 100 rounds they gave me did not jam. Later on that night i broke it down to clean my gun an the top of my barrel, was warn down as if i had shot 1000 rounds through it, an also the slide that allows the round to enter the chamber had a pretty good dent in it! At first i was concered so i went back where i got it, an they told me with the free floating barrel will wear down like that in some cases. Now for the dent in the slide they had no idea how that could have happened without a jam, but they did say i should take steel whool to it….lol I thought, what help they are! Now just over christmas i took my gun out to my dads to shoot it with him, he had about four different kinds of ammo an noticed that certain rounds would cause it to jam. Just like you said (DAVID) the remington did not jam, an the others that did not jam for me are magtech, and aguila brand.

  • Steve

    Sold guns for awhile and over time consistently saw that women especially liked the PK 380. smaller frame fits hand well, very ergonomic, slide is easier to manipulate, not heavy in the hand. Recoil on a 380 less than a 9mm. With self-defense rounds it has some stopping power. Several came back after buying one and attested to how happy they were with the purchase.

  • Tgizzi

    I had bought my PK380 a few days ago, havent been to the range yet. I did notice that the slide feel a bit loose, it’s not what i expected. this is also the first handgun I have owned. Anyone can tell me if this slide is normal?

  • PK380

    I have a PK380 and it fires great. I also have a S&W .40. I love them both, I also look at it this way, stand within 20-25 feet of me and let me shoot you with the PK380 or a .22 MAG round for that matter. It also limits the chances of the bullet passing through and continue to travel. We as gun owners are responsible for that bullet until it has come to a complete stop.

  • welderboy

    i purchased a walther pk380 i like the gun but i hate the sights is anyone making aftermarket sights for them

  • Dave Olson

    I’ve been using and shooting handguns for over 40 years. This by way of both civilian and military agencies. Early on the 60′s the Army was still using the .45 cal semi-automatic. I put it to good use as a handgun and with my “grease gun” of WWII fame.This was before body armor, night vision, portable whatevers. Our armor was our t-shirt and fatigue shirt. Moral of story, I’m here, a lot of the other side are not. When I finally left country I gave it to one of my men. He knew the stories, including the special forces “A” detachment and the SF unit assigned. In civilian police work semi-autos were practically banned. I knew officers that used them as back up. Unlike with the cal .357 which has superior penetrating power and can scare the hell out of the guy 2 apartments down. I will put forward, my cal 32, my Walter PK 380, and my Sig Sauer, cal .40, for consideration. Both are SA and DA and safety free. I always have a difficult time deciding what to carry, a lot depends on the weather. No Harris tweed sportcoats here in July.

  • http://ckrosebud@hotmail.com Dave Olson

    My first problem with my PK 380. No it’s not mechanical, feeding, ejection. It is the fact the the “Walther” has pretty well worn off the slide. Reason I suspect the holster is an inside the waistband. Even though it sits against my leg, in the holster, the first two two letters ” PK ” and “38″ are pretty well worn off. None of those markings are engraved. Now the “First Edition” is very close to the muzzle on the left side of the slide. It is showing some slight wear. On the right hand side only the “Walther” is showing minor wear. It’s like that all were painted on in some manner. I will admit that the 100 +F temps and the sweat generated could easily be the culprit. Due to the placement of the weapon and its proximity to my skin. The holster is not the one supplied by Walther with the First Edition models. AS I said none of this effects its performance. The only problem right now is the weather. The outdoor range reaching +118 F. I don’t need to shoot that bad.

  • anthony vincent

    HELLO SHOOTERS…Have a pk380 love it ,good back up weapon…never shot hollow points from it recently did..r.&p. jhp…nightmare…nasty round.shame they jam in throat round has sharp edges….shot many rounds never a jam…..shot hornady ftx…no problem….(open like a hollow point really nasty round….anyone have a problem with hollow point rounds…i’m told to not use in this gun….feed back please….keep your powder dry….

  • Dave Olson

    Just received a notice that I had to submit to the blog otherwise lose my posting privileges. Was not aware of that rule. Well as it happens I do have a post that I think some may find of interest. I bought the small size laser light attachment for my .380. It works find. Dark is better of course but daylight can cause some problems. The next question. Who makes a holster for the PK 380 with attached laser. Now this was some ago. Going through my collection of holsters I came across one made in Florida. It allows sufficient room toward the bottom of the holster for the .380 and the laser. All I can tell is that it was made in Florida. Wether that was in mind or not, I don’t know. The majority of holsters fit up against the foreword trigger guard.

  • Dave Olson

    Wanted to post this info about the how to carry CWC. In the past several months I have become familiar with a company called Coronado Leather in San Diego. They’ve been in business since the 80′s so they have staying power. They are not a large firm nor do they pour out hundreds of holsters, etc. They create and make their products. Almost exclusively leather. They make several jackets with sown in holsters; also leather vests with sown in holsters. In addition they make several different types of carry bags for the office, trips whatever, again with sown in pockets or holsters. They use bull hide and bison skin. They are sheer quality. Guaranteed for life. They also make a limited line of bison belts. Am I high on this company and its products, you bet. I’m waiting for my custom made goat skin Dean jacket which I should see this week. I have two vests,one bull hide the other bison. I have two of the carry bag bag, different sizes, one leather waist pouch with a concealed pouch. I have a bison belt that will be around long after I’m gone. As I said I am very high on this company. My Dean goat jacket is being made to measure and should see it this week. It has two concealed pockets, one on either side. They are expensive but not when considering their stuff is made in the USA, not Mexico or China, with a lifetime guarantee. Try: http://www.coronadoleather.com. I have my PK 380 with a small laser rail and it fits the inside holsters.