Comments on: Personal Defense Handgun Shotshell ammunition http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/16/personal-defense-handgun-shotshell-ammunition/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:19:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: joe http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/16/personal-defense-handgun-shotshell-ammunition/comment-page-1/#comment-78470 joe Fri, 25 Nov 2011 01:43:48 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4428#comment-78470 Let me know if you find out the answer to your question, I have a mossberg 500hs and just bought these "handgun" shells. I don't want to find out the hard way. Thanks Let me know if you find out the answer to your question, I have a mossberg 500hs and just bought these “handgun” shells. I don’t want to find out the hard way.
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]]> By: Thomas http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/16/personal-defense-handgun-shotshell-ammunition/comment-page-1/#comment-66490 Thomas Tue, 05 Jul 2011 00:02:22 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4428#comment-66490 Question : Has anyone tryed using moon or half-moon clips with their Taurus Judge so that .45 ACP can be shot out of this weapon ? The .45 Colt is a rather expensive round and is rather hard to find while .45 ACP is half as expensive and found even at Walmart ! I have shot the .410 shell but not very impressed especially with the#6 and higher shell, penetration is very poor, buck shot and slug are in different storey ! I did something the other day, pour out the #6 shot and replaced it with a capsule filed with steel BB's (capsule used so as not to ruin the rifling), penetration was much better than the #6 shot and a better round for self-defence in an emergency, at 20 feet all the BB's went thru an inch of wood ! Question : Has anyone tryed using moon or half-moon clips with their Taurus Judge so that .45 ACP can be shot out of this weapon ? The .45 Colt is a rather expensive round and is rather hard to find while .45 ACP is half as expensive and found even at Walmart ! I have shot the .410 shell but not very impressed especially with the#6 and higher shell, penetration is very poor, buck shot and slug are in different storey ! I did something the other day, pour out the #6 shot and replaced it with a capsule filed with steel BB’s (capsule used so as not to ruin the rifling), penetration was much better than the #6 shot and a better round for self-defence in an emergency, at 20 feet all the BB’s went thru an inch of wood !

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]]> By: John Kerr http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/16/personal-defense-handgun-shotshell-ammunition/comment-page-1/#comment-54303 John Kerr Sun, 30 Jan 2011 06:22:26 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4428#comment-54303 I am an ex-fed LE officer with some training and 30 yrs experience. I have to comment. There's nothing wrong with less lethal rounds for certain applications as in crowd control, animal control, riots etc. where the public just won't have blood running down the streets. As for SD, the worst mistake you could make would be drawn a weapon on me with rubber bullets it. And as for shooting home intruders/invaders, most people are not prepared to drop a hammer even on a rabid animal let alone some bum rummaging around for food in their kitchen. They say they are and have convinced themselves that they can but the fact is they will not shoot up their own house or neighborhood. Now I would be the last to propose mandatory firearms training on the general public including hunters, CCW permittees, and the folks who like me look at guns as tools, nothing more nothing less. There is a big need for organizations like IDPA and the NRA to promote safe gun use. Personally I keep a loaded S&W500PC and a flashlight under my bed. No snake guns for me! I am an ex-fed LE officer with some training and 30 yrs experience. I have to comment. There’s nothing wrong with less lethal rounds for certain applications as in crowd control, animal control, riots etc. where the public just won’t have blood running down the streets. As for SD, the worst mistake you could make would be drawn a weapon on me with rubber bullets it. And as for shooting home intruders/invaders, most people are not prepared to drop a hammer even on a rabid animal let alone some bum rummaging around for food in their kitchen. They say they are and have convinced themselves that they can but the fact is they will not shoot up their own house or neighborhood. Now I would be the last to propose mandatory firearms training on the general public including hunters, CCW permittees, and the folks who like me look at guns as tools, nothing more nothing less. There is a big need for organizations like IDPA and the NRA to promote safe gun use. Personally I keep a loaded S&W500PC and a flashlight under my bed. No snake guns for me!

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]]> By: clueless_in_atlanta@yahoo.com http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/16/personal-defense-handgun-shotshell-ammunition/comment-page-1/#comment-53395 clueless_in_atlanta@yahoo.com Thu, 20 Jan 2011 22:57:01 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4428#comment-53395 Can the Federal .410 buckshot "handgun" ammo be used in a shotgun (Mossberg 500)? Can the Federal .410 buckshot “handgun” ammo be used in a shotgun (Mossberg 500)?

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]]> By: fate22 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/16/personal-defense-handgun-shotshell-ammunition/comment-page-1/#comment-51918 fate22 Sun, 02 Jan 2011 04:47:09 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4428#comment-51918 Wow, that is not a blog title I expected to ever write. Federal have unveiled .410 Wow, that is not a blog title I expected to ever write. Federal have unveiled .410

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]]> By: Will http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/16/personal-defense-handgun-shotshell-ammunition/comment-page-1/#comment-40571 Will Sat, 14 Aug 2010 14:01:09 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4428#comment-40571 I will never cease to be amazed at the number of people who will use birdshot as a self defense load, or .410 bore for that matter. I've used .410s for bird hunting and ended up switching to a 20 gauge because the .410 wasn't bringing the birds down cleanly (ducks and pheasant on two different trips). I've seen testing of the Winchester PDX-1 .410 load. Their "disks" only penetrated 10.5 inches and the bbs went 5.5 inches in bare gelatin; I'd hate to see how poorly it would do through common barriers such as walls, glass, and heavy clothing. A 3" 000 buck load is more likely to be effective but why would I want to have 5 magnum shotshells (and the recoil that goes with them) when I can have 15+1 capacity from a Glock 19 in a package that is less expensive and with easier to obtain ammunition? I will never cease to be amazed at the number of people who will use birdshot as a self defense load, or .410 bore for that matter. I’ve used .410s for bird hunting and ended up switching to a 20 gauge because the .410 wasn’t bringing the birds down cleanly (ducks and pheasant on two different trips). I’ve seen testing of the Winchester PDX-1 .410 load. Their “disks” only penetrated 10.5 inches and the bbs went 5.5 inches in bare gelatin; I’d hate to see how poorly it would do through common barriers such as walls, glass, and heavy clothing. A 3″ 000 buck load is more likely to be effective but why would I want to have 5 magnum shotshells (and the recoil that goes with them) when I can have 15+1 capacity from a Glock 19 in a package that is less expensive and with easier to obtain ammunition?

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]]> By: gunner http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/16/personal-defense-handgun-shotshell-ammunition/comment-page-1/#comment-39718 gunner Sun, 01 Aug 2010 15:33:45 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4428#comment-39718 as to what will stop a bad guy...im thinkin if i get hit anywhere by birdshot fired at 10' im stoppin and goin the other way. im not goin to continue the attack. with that said, my judge has the 2 1/2" 000 federal buck. that should keep the bad guy from having a chance to change his mind and run. he should stay put. as to what will stop a bad guy…im thinkin if i get hit anywhere by birdshot fired at 10′ im stoppin and goin the other way. im not goin to continue the attack. with that said, my judge has the 2 1/2″ 000 federal buck. that should keep the bad guy from having a chance to change his mind and run. he should stay put.

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]]> By: Colin http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/16/personal-defense-handgun-shotshell-ammunition/comment-page-1/#comment-30387 Colin Thu, 08 Apr 2010 16:55:51 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4428#comment-30387 Just picked up a box of PDX1 45's from Bass Pro. Still no luck with the .410's. Just picked up a box of PDX1 45′s from Bass Pro. Still no luck with the .410′s.

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]]> By: supton http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/16/personal-defense-handgun-shotshell-ammunition/comment-page-1/#comment-29548 supton Sat, 27 Mar 2010 21:43:40 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4428#comment-29548 I've been thinking about a 410 shotgun for home defense (maybe a Mossberg, but not the HS410, I don't think the pistol foregrip is necessary), so I've spent the day combing the web about 410's and came across this blog. Anyhow, despite what the box of ammo says, the Judge does not pull off 1200fps; all rounds from shorter barrel guns lose velocity. See here: http://mcb-homis.com/judge/ Looks like 850fps or so, instead of the 1200fps on the box. Slugs do better, upwards of 1200fps (instead of the advertised 1800, as from the link above); but it's still an 88grain bullet, give or take (going on the 1/5oz specification). This link shows the Federal loads cut open: http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3909423 As you can see, it's #4 bird. Not particularly impressive. According wikipedia, #4 bird is 0.13 inches in diameter; at 1720 per lb, this works out to 4grains per pellet. At that size, I'm a bit dubious as to the ability a pellet to break bone, no matter how fast it is moving! [#4 buck is 0.24 inches in diameter, and 21grains per pellet.] No matter what kind of gun, I have some doubt about the ability to quickly pull off head shots--and even then, I would want the ability to punch through bone. [I guess birdshot to the head could blind quite well, but again, it's easy to miss a moving target.] I'd think I'd want any projectile to be above say 40grn or so, given how 22lr can (usually) poke holes through bone. That means going with that 000 buck round. 000 buck is 0.36 caliber, same as 9mm/38spl and related; but at a more meager 73grn. The Federal pellets are copper plated, so they should deform less (a good thing, would rather that energy be expended in Mr BG by tissue damage, rather than deforming other pellets); being hit with what is essentially 4 rounds of 32acp at once should count for something. Even better: what is worth shooting once is worth shooting twice (no change in the paperwork, is there?). I’ve been thinking about a 410 shotgun for home defense (maybe a Mossberg, but not the HS410, I don’t think the pistol foregrip is necessary), so I’ve spent the day combing the web about 410′s and came across this blog. Anyhow, despite what the box of ammo says, the Judge does not pull off 1200fps; all rounds from shorter barrel guns lose velocity. See here: http://mcb-homis.com/judge/ Looks like 850fps or so, instead of the 1200fps on the box.

Slugs do better, upwards of 1200fps (instead of the advertised 1800, as from the link above); but it’s still an 88grain bullet, give or take (going on the 1/5oz specification).

This link shows the Federal loads cut open: http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3909423 As you can see, it’s #4 bird. Not particularly impressive. According wikipedia, #4 bird is 0.13 inches in diameter; at 1720 per lb, this works out to 4grains per pellet. At that size, I’m a bit dubious as to the ability a pellet to break bone, no matter how fast it is moving! [#4 buck is 0.24 inches in diameter, and 21grains per pellet.]

No matter what kind of gun, I have some doubt about the ability to quickly pull off head shots–and even then, I would want the ability to punch through bone. [I guess birdshot to the head could blind quite well, but again, it's easy to miss a moving target.] I’d think I’d want any projectile to be above say 40grn or so, given how 22lr can (usually) poke holes through bone. That means going with that 000 buck round. 000 buck is 0.36 caliber, same as 9mm/38spl and related; but at a more meager 73grn. The Federal pellets are copper plated, so they should deform less (a good thing, would rather that energy be expended in Mr BG by tissue damage, rather than deforming other pellets); being hit with what is essentially 4 rounds of 32acp at once should count for something. Even better: what is worth shooting once is worth shooting twice (no change in the paperwork, is there?).

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/16/personal-defense-handgun-shotshell-ammunition/comment-page-1/#comment-28226 Steve Sun, 07 Mar 2010 16:57:23 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4428#comment-28226 Just bought my Judge PD yesterday, didn't do any research just liked the idea when at the show. Stopped buy another table and picked up the last box of Federal 000 410 shells and a box of .45 LC target. Went striaght to the range used the .45 LC at 30' first WOW there is some recoil but very accurate given the sight is fixed. All ten rounds inside of 15" diameter, doesn't sound great until you factor that I wasn't cocking the hammer manually, just squeezing the trigger, as you would if you needed to us it fast. Now for the 410 option Holy s***! Less recoil, 5 shots at 30' all (20) 000 balls hit the human size target on the paper, same practice just squeezing the trigger to cock the hammer. How can you not feel confident and safe with those results. For the record this is the first hand gun I have ever owned, which might explain why I didn't cock the hammer before aiming, what a dumb a**! Some things I don't like about it, hammer is hard to pull back, this is an issue for my wife. The Public Defender model has a smaller hammer making it hard to pull back. The other issue is the grip on the "PD" pretty short feels like the gun could get away from you if your not carefull. So far verry happy with the purchase! It's a lot of fun. Just bought my Judge PD yesterday, didn’t do any research just liked the idea when at the show. Stopped buy another table and picked up the last box of Federal 000 410 shells and a box of .45 LC target. Went striaght to the range used the .45 LC at 30′ first WOW there is some recoil but very accurate given the sight is fixed. All ten rounds inside of 15″ diameter, doesn’t sound great until you factor that I wasn’t cocking the hammer manually, just squeezing the trigger, as you would if you needed to us it fast.

Now for the 410 option Holy s***! Less recoil, 5 shots at 30′ all (20) 000 balls hit the human size target on the paper, same practice just squeezing the trigger to cock the hammer. How can you not feel confident and safe with those results.

For the record this is the first hand gun I have ever owned, which might explain why I didn’t cock the hammer before aiming, what a dumb a**!

Some things I don’t like about it, hammer is hard to pull back, this is an issue for my wife. The Public Defender model has a smaller hammer making it hard to pull back. The other issue is the grip on the “PD” pretty short feels like the gun could get away from you if your not carefull.

So far verry happy with the purchase! It’s a lot of fun.

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]]> By: George http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/16/personal-defense-handgun-shotshell-ammunition/comment-page-1/#comment-26156 George Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:29:21 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4428#comment-26156 Snare Bought a judge PD in Dec.09 have not had as change to shoot it yet to cold in my part of the country. Can't wait to get it on with my Judge. Snare
Bought a judge PD in Dec.09 have not had as change to shoot it yet to cold in my part of the country. Can’t wait to get it on with my Judge.

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]]> By: Snare http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/16/personal-defense-handgun-shotshell-ammunition/comment-page-1/#comment-26098 Snare Wed, 10 Feb 2010 05:44:24 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4428#comment-26098 Cabella's online has both 2.5 Federal loads for 11.99 on sale. Shot my Public Defender for the first time today everyone on the line had to come see what was making so much noise! Cabella’s online has both 2.5 Federal loads for 11.99 on sale. Shot my Public Defender for the first time today everyone on the line had to come see what was making so much noise!

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]]> By: George http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/16/personal-defense-handgun-shotshell-ammunition/comment-page-1/#comment-25080 George Mon, 01 Feb 2010 18:13:10 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4428#comment-25080 Colin WalMart has same thing at $12.50 a box of 20.Also has #4 shot FEDERAL for $12.75 Colin
WalMart has same thing at $12.50 a box of 20.Also has #4 shot FEDERAL for $12.75

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]]> By: Colin http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/16/personal-defense-handgun-shotshell-ammunition/comment-page-1/#comment-24651 Colin Thu, 28 Jan 2010 01:11:37 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4428#comment-24651 I just picked up 3 boxes of Federal 2.5" 000Buck 4 copper pellets at Dick's Sports for $14.99/ea. Anyone find them cheaper? Where? I just picked up 3 boxes of Federal 2.5″ 000Buck 4 copper pellets at Dick’s Sports for $14.99/ea. Anyone find them cheaper? Where?

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]]> By: David http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/16/personal-defense-handgun-shotshell-ammunition/comment-page-1/#comment-24586 David Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:46:20 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4428#comment-24586 The federal number 4 buck is available in 3 inch only. Made for the 3 inch chamber judge. The two loads for the 2 1/2 inch judge are OOO buck 4 pellets and #4 shot The federal number 4 buck is available in 3 inch only. Made for the 3 inch chamber judge. The two loads for the 2 1/2 inch judge are OOO buck 4 pellets and #4 shot

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]]> By: John http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/16/personal-defense-handgun-shotshell-ammunition/comment-page-1/#comment-24515 John Sun, 24 Jan 2010 07:32:35 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4428#comment-24515 You guys using the Federal stuff are pretty silly. Winchester has been making ammo for the Judge for quite some time! There is even much more accurate ammo out there made by sellor & berlot and a few others, but you have to order those online.. The Winchestor can be found at carter's country and other gun ranges. I have the 3" version and have shot nothing but winchester's through it since I bought it over a year ago. I use the 3" 000 buck and the 3" rifled slugs. Nothing else! The 000 buck has 5 36.cal pellets, and the slugs have a 1/4oz. rifled slug rated at 1800fps! At the range I loaded it .45, slug, 000 buck and let the gun range monkey shoot it.. He handled the .45 smoothly, the slug kinda startled him, and the 000 buck damn near jumped out of his hand and he handed the gun back to me and asked "what the hell the 3rd shot was?!" LOL I just grinn'd and told him it was the self defense round. (I would of got kicked off the range if he knew I was shooting 000 buck at the 10 yard range) Btw, if you ever have the pesky glock guys right next to you launching hot shells at your head, Just unload a few chamber's of 3" 000 buck and they will move down a stall or two... :P The pressure wave that comes off the gun with those rounds makes people close by miss their targets completly.. The 3" slugs are pretty damn nasty too! My wife and I were getting a kick out watching other people while we took turns shooting the Judge! After shooting those two loads, it makes the .45 long colts seem like .22's You guys using the Federal stuff are pretty silly. Winchester has been making ammo for the Judge for quite some time! There is even much more accurate ammo out there made by sellor & berlot and a few others, but you have to order those online.. The Winchestor can be found at carter’s country and other gun ranges.
I have the 3″ version and have shot nothing but winchester’s through it since I bought it over a year ago.
I use the 3″ 000 buck and the 3″ rifled slugs. Nothing else!
The 000 buck has 5 36.cal pellets, and the slugs have a 1/4oz. rifled slug rated at 1800fps!
At the range I loaded it .45, slug, 000 buck and let the gun range monkey shoot it..
He handled the .45 smoothly, the slug kinda startled him, and the 000 buck damn near jumped out of his hand and he handed the gun back to me and asked “what the hell the 3rd shot was?!” LOL I just grinn’d and told him it was the self defense round. (I would of got kicked off the range if he knew I was shooting 000 buck at the 10 yard range)

Btw, if you ever have the pesky glock guys right next to you launching hot shells at your head, Just unload a few chamber’s of 3″ 000 buck and they will move down a stall or two… :P The pressure wave that comes off the gun with those rounds makes people close by miss their targets completly.. The 3″ slugs are pretty damn nasty too! My wife and I were getting a kick out watching other people while we took turns shooting the Judge! After shooting those two loads, it makes the .45 long colts seem like .22′s

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]]> By: Robert http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/16/personal-defense-handgun-shotshell-ammunition/comment-page-1/#comment-23949 Robert Tue, 19 Jan 2010 05:14:54 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4428#comment-23949 Winchester has a new self defense .410 round for the Judge. The PDX1 2.5" .410 gauge round is optimized for use with the Taurus Judge revolver. The reduced recoil round is loaded with three 000 Buckshot sized discs backed by 12 BB sized pellets. A buckshot / slug combo is utilized in the 2.75" PDX1 12 gauge round. A 1 oz. Targeting Ranger Slug is pushed at 1200 fps and is backed by three 00 buckshot pellets. It too uses a reduced recoil load. Winchester has a new self defense .410 round for the Judge. The PDX1 2.5″ .410 gauge round is optimized for use with the Taurus Judge revolver. The reduced recoil round is loaded with three 000 Buckshot sized discs backed by 12 BB sized pellets.

A buckshot / slug combo is utilized in the 2.75″ PDX1 12 gauge round. A 1 oz. Targeting Ranger Slug is pushed at 1200 fps and is backed by three 00 buckshot pellets. It too uses a reduced recoil load.

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]]> By: Love The Judge http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/16/personal-defense-handgun-shotshell-ammunition/comment-page-1/#comment-23801 Love The Judge Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:40:24 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4428#comment-23801 George #6 Winchester works great for blinding shots or snakes (slithering or 2-legged). Has anyone used the 4-pellet round on Pheasants or other game/varmits? I hate spitting shot out when I eat, what I shoot so...if you hit it, it will go down and not much to pick out. Just curious. I am going to try it out on a single shot 410 shotgun soon just to see if the theory matches reality. Beware of still water, a still dog and a still enemy-German proverb Fio Para Bellatur - Latin for "Be the prepared warrior". George

#6 Winchester works great for blinding shots or snakes (slithering or 2-legged).

Has anyone used the 4-pellet round on Pheasants or other game/varmits? I hate spitting shot out when I eat, what I shoot so…if you hit it, it will go down and not much to pick out. Just curious. I am going to try it out on a single shot 410 shotgun soon just to see if the theory matches reality.

Beware of still water, a still dog and a still enemy-German proverb

Fio Para Bellatur – Latin for “Be the prepared warrior”.

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]]> By: George http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/16/personal-defense-handgun-shotshell-ammunition/comment-page-1/#comment-23427 George Fri, 08 Jan 2010 23:50:20 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4428#comment-23427 Love The Judge Bought a judge Public Denfender a few weeks ago have not had a chance to shoot yet, to cold for me. But i like your thinking about the #6 shot vs the #4 shot. I got some remmington #4 shot,but can't fine federal # 4 shot at this time. I have the 000 buck by federal.What brand of #6 shot are you using? Good luck and thanks for the advise. Love The Judge

Bought a judge Public Denfender a few weeks ago have not had a chance to shoot yet, to cold for me. But i like your thinking about the #6 shot vs the #4 shot. I got some remmington #4 shot,but can’t fine federal # 4 shot at this time. I have the 000 buck by federal.What brand of #6 shot are you using? Good luck and thanks for the advise.

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]]> By: Love the Judge http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/16/personal-defense-handgun-shotshell-ammunition/comment-page-1/#comment-23371 Love the Judge Wed, 06 Jan 2010 23:04:24 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4428#comment-23371 George: Thanks for your response. I have shot the #4 out of the judge and also the #6 birdshot. I prefer the #6 in the first chamber to deter further attack and because of the increased number of hits at 20' in a 4x5 area. The #6 had 2x the number of hits and like the #4, is more of a deterant/shock round, rather than lethal. Chambers 2 and 3 are loaded with the #000 buck; chambers 4 and 5 with the 45 cal long colt. My guess is that I will never get to the 4 and 5 chamber in a personal defense situation (2 legged threats). Bear/Wolf/Cougar areas demand a different selection, eliminating the #6 shot unless you're going for the blinding shot and have plenty of room to run while firing over your shoulder. LOL. George:

Thanks for your response. I have shot the #4 out of the judge and also the #6 birdshot. I prefer the #6 in the first chamber to deter further attack and because of the increased number of hits at 20′ in a 4×5 area. The #6 had 2x the number of hits and like the #4, is more of a deterant/shock round, rather than lethal. Chambers 2 and 3 are loaded with the #000 buck; chambers 4 and 5 with the 45 cal long colt. My guess is that I will never get to the 4 and 5 chamber in a personal defense situation (2 legged threats). Bear/Wolf/Cougar areas demand a different selection, eliminating the #6 shot unless you’re going for the blinding shot and have plenty of room to run while firing over your shoulder. LOL.

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