Comments on: Personal Defense Handgun Shotshell ammunition http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/16/personal-defense-handgun-shotshell-ammunition/ Firearms not Politics Sat, 21 Nov 2009 08:18:29 +1300 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Love the Judge http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/16/personal-defense-handgun-shotshell-ammunition/#comment-17498 Love the Judge Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:01:50 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4428#comment-17498 Dutch, you are still buying the wrong ammo. Look for the words ".410 HANDGUN", PERSONAL DEFENSE, 4-PELLETS-000 BUCKSHOT on the Federal Box. All the words are there in large letters. This is not birdshot, unless you're shooting at ostrich's or emu's. Dutch, you are still buying the wrong ammo. Look for the words “.410 HANDGUN”, PERSONAL DEFENSE, 4-PELLETS-000 BUCKSHOT on the Federal Box. All the words are there in large letters. This is not birdshot, unless you’re shooting at ostrich’s or emu’s.

]]> By: Dutch http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/16/personal-defense-handgun-shotshell-ammunition/#comment-17455 Dutch Sun, 01 Nov 2009 19:22:30 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4428#comment-17455 I recently bought a new Taurus Judge and when picking it up bought 2 boxes of Federal 4shot ammo. Those indicating this is bird shot are right on,as I found out after opening a round. Federal surely put this out as a varmit round because if you try defending yourself from other than a mad squirrel you may get seriously hurt. In other words it shouldn't be used for self defense,instead their buckshot rounds or .45 cal long rounds should be in your chamber. I recently bought a new Taurus Judge and when picking it up bought 2 boxes of Federal 4shot ammo. Those indicating this is bird shot are right on,as I found out after opening a round. Federal surely put this out as a varmit round because if you try defending yourself from other than a mad squirrel you may get seriously hurt. In other words it shouldn’t be used for self defense,instead their buckshot rounds or .45 cal long rounds should be in your chamber.

]]> By: Love the Judge http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/16/personal-defense-handgun-shotshell-ammunition/#comment-16674 Love the Judge Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:26:07 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4428#comment-16674 Federal .410 Personal Defense handgun ammo, designed specifically for the Judge, has 4 ( I repeat 4, not 16, not 20, not birdshot, etc.) copper plated balls just shy of 3/8" wide. Major hurt at 15'-20' with a 12" kill zone but with a 3" rifled barrel, the grouping decreases at increased ranges. Cost is about .65 cents/round and available at Walmart (limit 4 boxes but duh, just go to the next Walmart) I got my 200 rounds so have at'er with the limited supply. The shells slide easier into my Judge than the #4 birdshot but if you are having jamming issues, I suggest getting a .45 cal wire brush cleaning tool, hook it on your drill and spin it around in each cylinder. Takes a little off but not too much. Citizens without firearms are SLAVES, support your 2nd Ammendment right. Ok, sorry for preaching to the choir. Federal .410 Personal Defense handgun ammo, designed specifically for the Judge, has 4 ( I repeat 4, not 16, not 20, not birdshot, etc.) copper plated balls just shy of 3/8″ wide. Major hurt at 15′-20′ with a 12″ kill zone but with a 3″ rifled barrel, the grouping decreases at increased ranges. Cost is about .65 cents/round and available at Walmart (limit 4 boxes but duh, just go to the next Walmart) I got my 200 rounds so have at’er with the limited supply. The shells slide easier into my Judge than the #4 birdshot but if you are having jamming issues, I suggest getting a .45 cal wire brush cleaning tool, hook it on your drill and spin it around in each cylinder. Takes a little off but not too much.

Citizens without firearms are SLAVES, support your 2nd Ammendment right. Ok, sorry for preaching to the choir.

]]> By: Snookie http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/16/personal-defense-handgun-shotshell-ammunition/#comment-15083 Snookie Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:06:46 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4428#comment-15083 John Smith is correct You can see the copper ball at the end NO NEED to cut open the shell. Wally World has them! http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k228/dogdpit/IMG_0026.jpg John Smith is correct
You can see the copper ball at the end NO NEED to cut open the shell.
Wally World has them!
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k228/dogdpit/IMG_0026.jpg

]]> By: John Smith http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/16/personal-defense-handgun-shotshell-ammunition/#comment-14819 John Smith Mon, 21 Sep 2009 04:44:36 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4428#comment-14819 For the Federal defensive round in the 2 1/2" for a Taurus Judge there are 4, .36 cal copper jacketed lead balls. I have 3 boxes of them. You can see the ball just by looking at the tip of the round no need to cut it open. So 4, .36 cal lead balls flying at someone at 1200' /sec and you have 5 times to pull that trigger in a Judge. That is 20 holes in that person. Hard to miss since most confrontations take place around the 10' mark according to police statistics. So is it a good defensive round? You tell me if you would get hit with just 4 balls traveling that fast it wouldn't make you turn and run, if you can still run. More or less 20 balls at that speed. I carry mine all the time. For the Federal defensive round in the 2 1/2″ for a Taurus Judge there are 4, .36 cal copper jacketed lead balls. I have 3 boxes of them. You can see the ball just by looking at the tip of the round no need to cut it open. So 4, .36 cal lead balls flying at someone at 1200′ /sec and you have 5 times to pull that trigger in a Judge. That is 20 holes in that person. Hard to miss since most confrontations take place around the 10′ mark according to police statistics. So is it a good defensive round? You tell me if you would get hit with just 4 balls traveling that fast it wouldn’t make you turn and run, if you can still run. More or less 20 balls at that speed. I carry mine all the time.

]]> By: dymond http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/16/personal-defense-handgun-shotshell-ammunition/#comment-14235 dymond Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:25:05 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4428#comment-14235 Guys here in Georgia they have both the buckshot which contains three large pellets and 4 birdshot which has a good spread. There are also 250 gr hollows and a hotter ballistic load with a conical shaped bullet for greater penetration for hogs and such. I shot the 410 and hollows in myu judge and it was crisp and physically comfortable. Yall should calm downn and stop hating. Guys here in Georgia they have both the buckshot which contains three large pellets and 4 birdshot which has a good spread. There are also 250 gr hollows and a hotter ballistic load with a conical shaped bullet for greater penetration for hogs and such. I shot the 410 and hollows in myu judge and it was crisp and physically comfortable. Yall should calm downn and stop hating.

]]> By: Joseph Johnston http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/16/personal-defense-handgun-shotshell-ammunition/#comment-13279 Joseph Johnston Sun, 16 Aug 2009 17:57:01 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4428#comment-13279 There has been a lot of confusion on the web about this new Federal product, made for the Taurus Judge. Many people on the Web claim it is 4B in other words #4 Buck shot which would have 8-12 pellets. (In fairness Federal doesn't claim anything, but they are are silent). The package only says "4 shot". I just received mine from Cabela's and just opened a shell up. The pellets are brass and there are 60 in the 2.5 inch shell. In a Winchester .410 #4 shot I have (bird shot or maybe rabbit shot) there were 68 lead pellets. SO DON'T BE FOOLED INTO THINKING THIS IS 4B BUCK SHOT BECAUSE I HAVE DONE THE TEST. There has been a lot of confusion on the web about this new Federal product, made for the Taurus Judge. Many people on the Web claim it is 4B in other words #4 Buck shot which would have 8-12 pellets. (In fairness Federal doesn’t claim anything, but they are are silent). The package only says “4 shot”. I just received mine from Cabela’s and just opened a shell up. The pellets are brass and there are 60 in the 2.5 inch shell. In a Winchester .410 #4 shot I have (bird shot or maybe rabbit shot) there were 68 lead pellets. SO DON’T BE FOOLED INTO THINKING THIS IS 4B BUCK SHOT BECAUSE I HAVE DONE THE TEST.

]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/16/personal-defense-handgun-shotshell-ammunition/#comment-10758 Steve Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:57:10 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4428#comment-10758 Guys, I have written up this info at http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/12/birdshot-for-self-defense-federal-say-yes/ Thanks for the comments, and thanks Stephen for the photo. - Steve Guys, I have written up this info at

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/12/birdshot-for-self-defense-federal-say-yes/

Thanks for the comments, and thanks Stephen for the photo.

- Steve

]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/16/personal-defense-handgun-shotshell-ammunition/#comment-10740 Steve Fri, 12 Jun 2009 00:05:58 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4428#comment-10740 I will write this up birdshot controversy as a blog post either today or tomorrow. Look out for it on the homepage. I will write this up birdshot controversy as a blog post either today or tomorrow. Look out for it on the homepage.

]]> By: Kevin http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/16/personal-defense-handgun-shotshell-ammunition/#comment-10739 Kevin Fri, 12 Jun 2009 00:04:03 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4428#comment-10739 Beats the **** out of me Dick. Why Federal would claim a useless bird shot round is a defence round is beyond me. I've got a box of them in my gun safe too. I bought them, and a box of Winchester 225 GR. Silvertip's at the same time. I've never shot my Judge because I'm thinking of giving it, and the ammo to my Dad for his birthday this August. I'll make sure to tell him to use the .410's for snakes, or cans. I wonder if Federal will ever make the ammo they advertise? Beats the **** out of me Dick.

Why Federal would claim a useless bird shot round is a defence round is beyond me. I’ve got a box of them in my gun safe too. I bought them, and a box of Winchester 225 GR. Silvertip’s at the same time.

I’ve never shot my Judge because I’m thinking of giving it, and the ammo to my Dad for his birthday this August. I’ll make sure to tell him to use the .410’s for snakes, or cans.

I wonder if Federal will ever make the ammo they advertise?

]]> By: Dick http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/16/personal-defense-handgun-shotshell-ammunition/#comment-10738 Dick Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:47:59 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4428#comment-10738 Well, I finally got around to firing the "Federal Premium .410 Handgun 2-1/2" 4 SHOT Personal Defense PD412JGE 4" amunition. 7/16 OZ. IT'S BIRDSHOT!!! Not buckshot! 50+ pellets (I lost count) NOT SUITABLE FOR PERSONAL DEFENSE AGAINST MUCH OF ANYTHING LARGE ENOUGH TO WARRENT "SELF DEFENSE" EXCEPT PERHAPS SMALL SNAKES! A large one shot with this round at 21' will likely kill you before it bleeds to death! With 2 rounds it put 18-20 pellets inside a 12" circle so the snake better be curled up and there were plenty enough large gaps to miss a head shot. Soooo, Kevin (or anyone)! What's the number on the box of #4 BUCKSHOT Federal 2-1/2" .410 that contains only 10 (approximently) pellets ???? And, by the way, I fired 6 rounds of 3" Winchester 5x000 Buck from the American Derringer Model 4. Enough to decide that the Federal 4x000 Buck is the better round for me. My hand hurts enough that I won't be wanting to shoot any more for a couple of weeks! Dick Getty Well, I finally got around to firing the “Federal Premium .410 Handgun 2-1/2″ 4 SHOT Personal Defense PD412JGE 4″ amunition. 7/16 OZ.

IT’S BIRDSHOT!!! Not buckshot! 50+ pellets (I lost count)

NOT SUITABLE FOR PERSONAL DEFENSE AGAINST MUCH OF ANYTHING LARGE ENOUGH TO WARRENT “SELF DEFENSE” EXCEPT PERHAPS SMALL SNAKES! A large one shot with this round at 21′ will likely kill you before it bleeds to death! With 2 rounds it put 18-20 pellets inside a 12″ circle so the snake better be curled up and there were plenty enough large gaps to miss a head shot.

Soooo, Kevin (or anyone)! What’s the number on the box of #4 BUCKSHOT Federal 2-1/2″ .410 that contains only 10 (approximently) pellets ????

And, by the way, I fired 6 rounds of 3″ Winchester 5×000 Buck from the American Derringer Model 4. Enough to decide that the Federal 4×000 Buck is the better round for me.

My hand hurts enough that I won’t be wanting to shoot any more for a couple of weeks!

Dick Getty

]]> By: Kevin http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/16/personal-defense-handgun-shotshell-ammunition/#comment-10500 Kevin Sun, 07 Jun 2009 04:52:43 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4428#comment-10500 WOW! I was going by this artical I found on the web. "Federal Premium .410 Handgun Ammunition January 15th, 2009 · 3 Comments Federal introduced .410 ammunition designed for the Taurus Judge revolver. In two formulations, 000 and #4 shot, these loadings are designed for two different desires. Federal states the 000 contains four pellets that penetrate to a depth of up to 15″ in bare gelatin. The #4 pellets (approximately 10) penetrate to a depth of up to 6″. The Federal rep on scene was not able to provide any additional information regarding velocities, shipping dates, or prices." http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2009/01/15/federal-premium-410-handgun-ammunition/ WOW!

I was going by this artical I found on the web.

“Federal Premium .410 Handgun Ammunition
January 15th, 2009 · 3 Comments
Federal introduced .410 ammunition designed for the Taurus Judge revolver. In two formulations, 000 and #4 shot, these loadings are designed for two different desires.

Federal states the 000 contains four pellets that penetrate to a depth of up to 15″ in bare gelatin. The #4 pellets (approximately 10) penetrate to a depth of up to 6″.

The Federal rep on scene was not able to provide any additional information regarding velocities, shipping dates, or prices.”

http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2009/01/15/federal-premium-410-handgun-ammunition/

]]> By: Stephen Steger http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/16/personal-defense-handgun-shotshell-ammunition/#comment-10495 Stephen Steger Sun, 07 Jun 2009 02:18:43 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4428#comment-10495 I hope you can see the picture. At least my 4 SHOT is BIRD shot (60 pellets). http://webpages.charter.net/aikicircle/pics.html I hope you can see the picture. At least my 4 SHOT is BIRD shot (60 pellets). http://webpages.charter.net/aikicircle/pics.html

]]> By: Kevin http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/16/personal-defense-handgun-shotshell-ammunition/#comment-10493 Kevin Sun, 07 Jun 2009 01:07:38 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4428#comment-10493 Federal Premium Personal Defense doesn't use birdshot. Birdshot would be just about useless for defence, unless you got a good face shot, and took out their eyes. Federal Premium Personal Defense doesn’t use birdshot.

Birdshot would be just about useless for defence, unless you got a good face shot, and took out their eyes.

]]> By: Dick http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/16/personal-defense-handgun-shotshell-ammunition/#comment-10490 Dick Sat, 06 Jun 2009 23:01:47 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4428#comment-10490 Just bought a box of "Federal Premium Personal Defense .410 Handgun" "4 SHOT" ammo. I haven't had a chance to try it out, and probably won't until Monday. I hope this is the #4 Buckshot and not #4 Birdshot. Using an American Derringer Model 4 (4" barrels). Last week I fired .45 Colt and Winchester .410 2-1/2" 3x000 Buck and 3" 5x000 Buck in the weapon. they all patterened within a 12" diameter at 21'. Both barrels seemed to print out about the same. Fired a total of 14 rounds before the hand started to deteriorate! So far I'm most impressed with the results using the 000 buckshot rounds rather than the .45 Colt. I'm looking for a couple of boxes of Federal 2-1/2" 4x000 rounds. Just bought a box of “Federal Premium Personal Defense .410 Handgun” “4 SHOT” ammo. I haven’t had a chance to try it out, and probably won’t until Monday.

I hope this is the #4 Buckshot and not #4 Birdshot.

Using an American Derringer Model 4 (4″ barrels).

Last week I fired .45 Colt and Winchester .410 2-1/2″ 3×000 Buck and 3″ 5×000 Buck in the weapon. they all patterened within a 12″ diameter at 21′.

Both barrels seemed to print out about the same.
Fired a total of 14 rounds before the hand started to deteriorate!

So far I’m most impressed with the results using the 000 buckshot rounds rather than the .45 Colt.

I’m looking for a couple of boxes of Federal 2-1/2″ 4×000 rounds.

]]> By: Kevin http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/16/personal-defense-handgun-shotshell-ammunition/#comment-10341 Kevin Thu, 04 Jun 2009 07:30:44 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4428#comment-10341 I just picked up a box of Federals .410 “Personal Defense Handgun” ammunition 2 1/2". Bought them from a local shop in St. Augustine FL. They do contain 10 pellets. There is a huge difference between #4 shot, and #4 buck. I'd feel comfortable using them in a close in situation. I just picked up a box of Federals .410 “Personal Defense Handgun” ammunition 2 1/2″. Bought them from a local shop in St. Augustine FL.

They do contain 10 pellets. There is a huge difference between #4 shot, and #4 buck.

I’d feel comfortable using them in a close in situation.

]]> By: Stephen Steger http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/16/personal-defense-handgun-shotshell-ammunition/#comment-9439 Stephen Steger Sun, 10 May 2009 17:01:49 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4428#comment-9439 Hi guys, I was looking forward to finally getting some #4 buckshot for my Mossberg 500E .410. I bought 2 boxes at Midway. Wondering how many pellets it had, I cut open a shell this morning ... it's #4 BIRD shot, 60 pellets! Hi guys, I was looking forward to finally getting some #4 buckshot for my Mossberg 500E .410. I bought 2 boxes at Midway. Wondering how many pellets it had, I cut open a shell this morning … it’s #4 BIRD shot, 60 pellets!

]]> By: Ted http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/16/personal-defense-handgun-shotshell-ammunition/#comment-8989 Ted Mon, 27 Apr 2009 14:41:05 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4428#comment-8989 Has anyone been able to purchase this Federal handgun ammunition yet? Where? Has anyone been able to purchase this Federal handgun ammunition yet? Where?

]]> By: Jeff http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/16/personal-defense-handgun-shotshell-ammunition/#comment-7856 Jeff Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:44:35 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4428#comment-7856 When will the 410 handgun ammo become available? When will the 410 handgun ammo become available?

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