Ruger LCR: New .38 Special revolver
Following on from the success of the Ruger LCP, Ruger have unveiled the Ruger LCR (Light Weight Compact Revolver). What sets it apart from other compact revolvers is that polymers have been used as much as possible. The Ruger LCR will be available 1st March 2009
Ruger LCR. Click to expand.
The revolver features:
* Double Action
* Polymer fire-control housing
* Aluminum frame with black “synergistic” hard coating
* Fluted stainless steel cylinder, lightweight and compact.
* 5 Rounds in the cylinder
* Replaceable front sight.U-notch rear sight.
* The fire control system has been designed with a friction reducing cam that allows a very smooth trigger pull.
* The internal lock has been designed so it will not interfere with the fire control components.
The Specs:
Caliber: .38 SPL+P
Capacity: 5 Rounds
Finish: Matte Black/Target Grey
Grip: Hogue Tamer w/ Sorborthane Insert
Barrel Length: 1.875″
Groove: 6
Twist: 1:16″ RH
Overall Length: 6.50″
Weight: 13.5 oz.
Front Sight(s): Replaceable, Pinned Ramp Front
Rear Sight(s): Integral U-Notch
The standard model has a recommended retail price of $525.
Ruger are also simultaneously releasing a model with Crimson Trace Lasergrips. It has MSRP of $792.
Ruger LCR-LG. Click to expand
GunBlast have already reviewed the LCR and were impressed (thanks to cmblake6 for the link):
The trigger pull on the LCR is very smooth, and very light for a pocket revolver. Many pocket revolvers have dreadful trigger pulls, and I get a lot of email from readers who buy a gun for defense, and have a very hard time pulling the trigger. If the production LCRs are like the one that I shot, the trigger pull problem is solved. That gun had what could be called a perfect trigger pull for a pocket revolver; a smooth and light double action. I do not know the pull weight of the LCR, but will measure such things when a production gun arrives.
I will update this post as more information arrives.
UPDATE: More info from Ruger
Friction Reducing Cam. Patent pending.
Fire Control Housing. Patent Pending.
There are a total of three new pending patents. Not bad for a wheel gun!
UPDATE: Holster compatibility:
* Blackhawk Inside Pocket – Size 4
* Black Hawk Inside Pant – Size 0
* Fobus TA85 (Standard)
* Fobus RU101 (Evolution)
* Uncle Mike’s Inside Pant – Size 0
UPDATE: The Ruger LCR will be available 1st March 2009
UPDATE: A video
The press release is after the jump.
The full press release
Sturm, Ruger & Company, Inc. (NYSE-RGR) is pleased to announce the new Ruger Lightweight Compact Revolver (LCR), an evolution in revolver design. The 13.5 ounce, small frame, 5-shot LCR has three main components: a polymer fire control housing, an aircraft quality aluminum monolithic frame, and an extensively fluted stainless steel cylinder. The Ruger LCR represents one of the most significant new revolver designs in over a century, with three patent applications pending.
The LCR’s lightweight, chemical-resistant polymer fire control housing contains the entire fire control mechanism. Because the fire control components are located within this single housing, their dimensional relationship can be held much more closely than if divided between traditional grip frames and cylinder frames. The end result is that the fire control components are assembled with no hand fitting, resulting in a highly consistent product at an affordable price.
The long-fiber, glass-filled polymer fire control housing provides a reduction in perceived recoil. The fire control housing’s grip peg allows for a variety of grips to be installed, and the LCR’s standard Hogue® Tamer™ grip with Sorbothane® insert reduces perceived recoil even further. A joint effort with Hogue, the LCR’s standard grip was designed using US military anthropomorphic data on hand shape, so the LCR can be comfortably held by a broad spectrum of hand sizes. An available Crimson Trace® Lasergrip® offers the advantages of a laser sighting system.
The LCR’s monolithic frame is an aerospace grade, 7000 series aluminum forging treated with a black synergistic hard coat that is applied after machining. Successfully tested with over 30 different aggressive chemicals, this synergistic hard coat exceeds mil-spec salt spray tests, and offers performance considerably greater than hard coat anodizing. The monolithic frame provides sturdy, rigid support for the cylinder and the barrel. The 1-7/8″ long barrel, with a 1:16 twist, is made of 17-4 PH aerospace grade stainless steel, chosen for its strength and dimensional stability during machining and heat treatment.
The extensively fluted 400 series stainless steel cylinder is lightweight and compact, measuring only 1.283″ in diameter in the chamber area. Treated to an advanced form of Ruger’s Target Grey® finish, this stainless steel cylinder is strong, durable and designed to handle .38 Special +P loads. The Ruger LCR’s patent pending cylinder front latching system uses titanium components, optimized spring tension, and enhanced lockup geometry to ensure that the LCR’s cylinder stays locked in place during firing.
The LCR’s double-action-only trigger pull is uniquely engineered to minimize friction between the fire control components. This friction-reducing cam fire control system results in a non-stacking, smooth trigger pull. The LCR’s trigger pull force builds more gradually, and peaks later in the trigger stroke, resulting in a trigger pull that feels much lighter than it actually is, while still providing positive ignition of all primers. This results in more controllable shooting, even among those with smaller, weaker hands who find traditional DAO triggers difficult to operate.
The sights are replaceable ramp front, and a fixed U-notch rear. An internal lock, unobtrusively hidden under the grip, does not interfere with the fire control mechanism in any way when disengaged.
Now if they would only give this to me in the new .327 Magnum, I’d be ecstatic.
This is the firearm I have wanted chambered in .327M
The .327 mag like other new cartridges will probably die in a few years.
Good post.
James
The .327 cartridge is too expensive. But I don’t think it would be hard to build the LCR in .327. It may even be a little lighter?
Really appreciate The Firearm Blog, thanks.
In the vid, it did not look too safe, pulling away at the trigger, especially after he put a round back in. (it did sound like an empty).
The tech didn’t look too happy either.
Rob_1975au, no problem, I am pleased you enjoy the blog. Yea, I did notice that in the video.
I wonder if the tech-dude’s wrist brace and elbow bandage is from shooting hot loads in the little gun from off the bench.
I WAS very, VERY excited about this gun for about 15 minutes until I found out that an “internal lock” is part of the design. No I’m no longer very interested.
Probably 1 bonehead at Ruger messed it all up for me.
Fortunately, S&W is making some 642s and 442s available now without the lock.
I am somewhat of a novice, but am considering purchasing a Ruger LCR.
What is an “internal lock”?
I hike a lot, for week long bush hikes, and something like this in a .22mag guise would be super sweet; With maybe 6 or 7 rounds instead of the 5.
.38 although better at S.D. destroys Squirrels on impact, as well as other survival meat too!…they should make 2 or 3 different caliber models for diverse situations. Im sure theyll do well.
First time here, like this blog mate.
Whats up with the techs arm in the video. Is that the result of test shooting unto oblivion?
As far as the gun still, rather have a j frame. Its my belief you can take polymer only so far. When they start making metal/polymer alloys I might consider it.
I have the LCP and like it, although I found that it does not shoot certain hollow points very well. I am interested in handling a LCR, I like Rugers new design on these two guns. They are small, dependable and stylish guns.
Hats Off to Ruger for this incredible new design! ..as an ex law enforcement officer I can look back on the many times that a weapon such as the new LCR would have been an ideal backup for me.concealed posibilities are endless and only limited by your imagination, ankle carry,pants and coat pockets,..inside a hat,…neck lanyard,etc.Such a light frame weight will allow the carry of two backup LCR’s easily. Also this design is ideal for a lot of the ladies out there that feel that the wewight of a J frame is too much.Ruger how about the same LCR model in a .327 with a 6 shot cylinder? WOW!
Raul H. Diaz
NRA Life Endowment Member
NRA Certified Instructor
I too would like to know what the “internal Lock” is
Harvick, an internal lock is a system where you can use a key to lock to gun so that it cannot be fired. This is a flawed idea and locks have been known to engage during recoil.
I was excited about this gun but the news about an internal lock does put quite a damper on that excitement. Sounds like they got it right, but putting stainless in applicable areas, such as the cylinder.
I have an LCP but Ruger made two grievous errors with regard to that gun. First and foremost, it should have been made with STAINLESS for the barrel, slide, and other parts that may be prone to rust. Second, and more easily cured, I think it is nothing short of stupid for ANY manufacturer to ship ANY semi-automatic pistol or rifle with less than two magazines. There is just no good reason to do this.
I contacted them and got a laconic reply to the effect the LCP was not a tactical pistol and therefore, they didn’t see the need in shipping more than one mag with it. Their reply regarding the non-stainless construction was similar and included a phrase to the effect that since it was designed to be carried close to the body, or something close to that. If it is going to be carried close to the body, which most small guns surely will be, THAT IS EXACTLY WHY IT NEEDS TO BE STAINLESS!!!!!! Does no one at Ruger actually carry their guns? Perspiration and corrosion go hand in hand with blue steel weaponry carried close to the body. I hope one day they wake up and offer the LCP in stainless. I also hope they wake up and lose the internal lock. That is a bad move.
Typo alert: Last sentence of first paragraph should read: Sounds like they got it right BY putting stainless in applicable areas, such as the cylinder.
How much should i worry about this internal lock with the LCR? It is messing up my plan for my first CC gun. I want it to be 100% reliable…
john, all Ruger guns now come with a lock, as do guns from other manufacturers. Its more of a problem in bigger recoil guns such as .44 Magnum. If you are concerned about a particular manufacturers internal lock post on a forum dedicated that that manufacturer and ask about the gun in particular, somone is sure to be able to help you.
You can still buy an even lighter J frame S&W in the 340PD @ 12 oz. yawn…
jedimarkus tells it how it is. Ruger has done a great job or marketing and controlling supply of new gun designs. S&W is still ahead of the curve with a lighter all metal PD!
Yeah, but how much do those scadium S&W revolvers cost? This is is a 13.5 oz gun at roughly the same price point as the S&W j-frame (15 oz) revolvers. I think the main selling point wil be the trigger though.
I second the idea of a model in 327. The cartridge will definitely die if it isn’t chambered in some decent guns. I doubt the SP 101 and a few other guns can sustain the 327. No, it needs to be chambered in a popular gun.
Am looking for a 22 calb on a 38 frame 6 inch new or used
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David Greeson
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The pricetag on this one is very attractive. I still haven’t seen one of these yet, but have seen them advertised at around $375 …
I have had my CCW here in SC since they became legal in 95. I usually carry an autoloader in a shoulder rig and an old Charter Arms Off Duty revolver I bought used at a gun show about 12 years ago. It has the sweetest DA trigger of any 5 shot revolver I have ever owned. I keep it in a pocket holster in case my auto loader hiccups. At the moment my big auto is a FN ..FNP in the .45 ACP genre. I know many will gasp,pull their hair,curse,spit on the floor and scream “Hey that’s not a CCW weapon….Yeah it is. I am a big ole corn fed country boy and on me….it is a CCW weapon.All things are relative…On Andre the Giant…the S&W 500 Magnum would have been a CCW weapon.
Internal locks are not very functional on a daily basis and are just ignored.
I don’t use them and I’m sure most of you don’t either. The only useful function I can see for these locks is the meet federal guidelines and may keep your gun from being confiscated someday. Long term storage may be another use, but most of us have gun safes for storage needs.
Blog looks great.
Got my LCR on the 15th of Apr and am very pleased with it so far.
Jon
What are you loading in the cylinder at approx 5:41 in the video? Just curious.
I got mine Apr 23rd and ran 50 rounds through it immediately. Feels good, lite, accurate as a little gun can be and its a keeper. Paid $435.00 for mine (South Carolina).
I looked at one of these at a local gun shop. I have large hands and this gun was very comfortable in my hands. The trigger was very smooth, I enjoyed the overall feel of this gun. It would make a very good CC weapon. Would probably wear it on my ankle or in a jacket pocket. Looking to get one real soon.
I obtained an LCR from an online gun dealer. Picked it up today. If anyone else out there has one, is there any sort of a “rattle” near the hammer assembly when you shake yours? Everything on mine seems to operate as it should (I have not fired mine yet) but when I shake it, there is a sound as though something is loose in the vicinity of where the hammer/firing pin is located. Anyone have a similar experience? I have not heard this sort of a sound from any other revolver I own.
Hi there,
I noticed it appears to be all gentleman on this blog but I wanted to put the word out should any of your wives/girlfriends conceal carry or you would like to them to. We have had many men interested in our products that we have met at shows. Anyhow my mother and I have started up a business making concealed carry purses and accessories. I gathered I would write to see if any of you may be interested for your wives or showing them to encourage them to carry! Women need to especially these days!
Thanks so much for your time!
Nicole Dewberry
Owner/Designer
My Lcr is better then any Jframe S&W I have ever owned. Out of the box trigger is unbelivable. Very straight shooter, Light and over all fit and finish is great.
Lou,
Concerning the noise. I rented an LCR at my gun club, and also played with one that was unfired, both made this noise. The person at the counter was unsure as to what is was, but that didn’t stop my from ordering my own. I wish I would have thought about this yesterday, because I was at the NRA show and I could have asked someone from Ruger. Oh well, I’m sure if it’s a problem we’ll all find out soon enough.
I did get to hold and get a feel for one of the LCR’s yesterday at my local dealer. Of course, they told me it was already sold but they are selling them for $600. Now, most any revolvers are up there at that level these days or so it seems. All gun prices have just shot up through the roof … it’s absurd… but the LCR looks like a winner. There were keys in there for what seems to me to be an internal lock. I like the gun but I am very leery of having an internal lock on any of my firearms. This is the big reason I don’t own a Taurus firearm and never will. Government bureaucrats are idiots and I want my firearm as simple and purely functional as possible. I don’t want an internal lock that could break or fail and leave me helpless if it does fail (no matter what they say about it not ever happening).
After that rant… I really like the gun’s physical characteristics, weight and such. Wish the grip extended a tad further as my had is fairly large, but if it’s recoil is felt much less than the Airweight–Ruger has a winner here.. It’s extremely light.. and I have a 642 Airweight Smith & Wesson…. I think the Ruger is still lighter. Great CCW gun.
By the way, I bought the LCP also… should have my first range trip with the LCP this weekend.
Oh ya… they called me back and let me know they had another LCR that had come in. So … of course… this one has found a nice new home.
First, all the ones I’ve gotten to hold and look at have the same little rattle. I’m not sure what it is, but it’s definitely in the grip assembly area. It’s not the cylinder, ejector rod or anything in that area.
I’m no fan of the internal gun locks and until now those little internal locks have kept me away from just about every firearm that has one.
The one thing I will say is that the LCR’s internal lock is inside the grip of the firearm on the grip frame. That means unless you really want to engage it, (why, I can’t imagine) but you’ll need to unscrew the grip, pull it off, and stick the key in and engage the lock. The one question in my mind is whether or not the lock can engage itself at the worst of times… when you really need the firearm. It seems unlikely, but odd things happen sometimes so you have to decide if this is a make or break issue for you if you are considering this firearm.
That being said, the grip feels superb in the hand. The grip manages recoil well, even with hotter loads. I have a Smith and Wesson model 642 Airweight and the weight of the two guns is about the same, though in my opinion the Smithy has a bit more felt recoil. I have not changed the grips on my Smith and they are not laser grips so the original plastic grips don’t absorb quite as well as the thicker Hogue on the LCR.
Overall, I’d call the LCR a great product offering. Prices on all guns and ammunition are skyrocketing so don’t expect a bargain price on this. I’ve not seen a revolver in the $4XX range any time recently and most are in the $500-$600 range these days from the latest series of gun shows I’ve attended. I paid $550 for my LCR.
That has got to be the most hideous revolver I have ever seen.
Folks said that about the Glock at first…
In hand, it feels great. Only gripe is the trigger guard extends a bit front wards heading too much, and aesthetically is unusual.
I’d love to get one of these revolvers. Just waiting to get one in at my local gun store. I do have a quick comment about the video on this blog. At the very end the commentator loads a round in the cyclinder, then starts pulling the trigger. The Ruger tech guy looked just a little nervous. I know Ruger is very safety conscience but they should not put out a video where someone puts a round in the cyclinder and then starts pulling the trigger in a work area. Scary!
Fired another 300 rounds of 158 grain +P ammo through the Ruger LCR and then through my S&W model 642 Airweight to kind of see the difference. It may be me, but it seems that the angle or position of the grip on the Ruger directs the recoil in a different manner than the S&W. Both guns have a fair amount of punch to them with these loads. I wouldn’t consider it “comfortable” to shoot with that load “all day long”.
There was a lady in the next lane (indoor range) at Outdoor World and she asked me if that was my gun making all that noise (”That little gun?”) … of course it was the LCR…. I don’t know if it was me this time but it seemed that most of my impacts were about an inch high and 2 inches right at about 30 feet. Doesn’t make much sense as I am left handed so my “pull” would be lower and left. Could also be the rounds. (speer Lawman) The smaller loads didn’t seem to behave this way… but it could have been me this time around as it wasn’t happening initially (1st 3 rounds, slow fire, were center target in a 2″ group at this distance with the +P ammo).
Overall, I’m still quite impressed by the Ruger. It’s a little larger than the Smith and a little “beefier”. The rubber grip on the Ruger makes it easier to hold and fills the hand better but then again, you’ll have a time pulling it from a pocket whereas the Smith has a plastic grip (won’t bind up). What’s better? Your call on that.
On a belt holster, I’d like the Ruger a bit better, but if total hideout and concealment is a factor, the Smith has the edge as it’s a little smaller and slimmer. If it’s in an “in the pants” holster, it doesn’t matter as far as size goes, but the edge would have to go to the Ruger as you can’t do much to the polymer housing… so sweat, etc.. isn’t as much of an issue.
I own both, but I haven’t yet started carrying the Ruger and I do still carry the Smith…(and a Glock 23) but I’m the type that wants lots of rounds through the firearm before I’ll let my life depend on it.
Went to the store to get a s&w 440 after weeks of online research but ended up with the LCR. If you’re really serious about getting one I suggest you do the same and compare them side by side, shoot both of them, then decide for yourself. The LCR’s trigger pull and ergonomics is what got me sold.
No question the Ruger’s trigger blows away the S&W J frame … not even close.
I’m carrying the Ruger a bit more these days but I’m using standard Federal 38 spl loads with +P rounds in the speedloaders.
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I have both the S&W 642, and most recently the Ruger LCR. Can’t see alot of difference other than the trigger pull. Went to my local gunsmith and had the S&W trigger lightened up….very comparible to the Ruger now. In fact… my wife likes the S&W better. But it has the CTC lasergrip… she loves that grip !!!
I want to thank all of yall for the input… I too am weighing the pros and cons of both the LCR and the 642 and you all have done a fantastic and professional job at helping me out.. Much Thanks … JB
I have an LCR man this gun is nothing but trouble I went all out with the laser grips. First time I fired it the latch pin spring started coming out over the latch pin just under the barrel I can’t find a bullet that won’t unseat 3rd round and after. i have sent it to the factory the people I talked to there didn’t seem to concerned about my problem. last ruger for me if i can get anywhere near my money back out of this thing I will dump it and buy S&W
Thad
hey can anyone tell what will shoot in an lcr without unseating the bullets
Thad
What kind of ammunition is coming un-seated to the point where they are jamming your revolver? I’ve used the LCR with Federal Hydra Shok and Speer Lawman 158 gr +P and neither have had issues with unseating. I’d check the neck crimps on the ammo you are using. Page 8 of the manual talks about the issue given the light weight of the gun. As we continue to venture into lightweight guns with higher calibers, especially magnums this can creep up as an issue.
Ok folks had to send the lcr to ruger for repair of the front latch cover it was missing the gun still unseats bullets not to the point of jamming but noticable to the naked eye have tried georgia arms 158 gr mc and 135gr +p gold dot hollow points, Have tried winchester 110gr silver tips. have tried fiocchi 158gr mc. all of this unseats the bullets not enought to jam but who wants the bullet to unseat at all. Some of this stuff unseated on third round. any help would be welcome and does anyone want to buy this gun for 640 dollars it has crimson trace grips have fired about a hundred rounds through it. Thad
Just bought an LCR after passing my CC course. I really like the light weight and balance, and the trigger pull is perfect for me. Also noticed the little ‘rattle’ back in the enclosed portion of the gun…my dealer assured me it was the nature of the beast and that it was ok to fire. Took him at his word and proceeded to put a few dozen rounds of Blazer +P 125 grain hollowpoints through it; got some nice groupings and the recoil wasn’t bad at all. I think this is the beginning of a long relationship between me and the LCR.
This blog is great! I read all the comments, most of them positive. Found an LCR online for $399 (Yup, $399). Had it shipped and can’t say enough good about it.
The grip looked small at first, but fits my hand and my wife’s hand very comfortably.
The rattle seems like the internal lock mechanism – enough play to make it work, not tight enough to make it catch when released. This was determined with the grip off.
The internal lock – positive engagement in the locked position, and positive engagement in the unlocked position. It doesn’t feel like vibration would make it engage (never can tell, though).
Did the unseating test several times – slow fire and rapid fire. No issues with the 5th round after 4 shots as suggested inthe manual. (Used PMC Bronze 132 gr.) I don’t have a similar story to Thad’s.
Recoil – well, I probably wouldn’t expect to shoot 300-500 rounds in a day with it, like with the S&W Sigma 9. The small grip and light weight do wear on one a little.
At 7 yards I had to start compensating for trajectory – very accurate for the barrel length.
Bottom line, the weight, trigger pull dynamics, grip, and relatively low recoil make it a winner in my book. My wife favors this one over the 9mm, so I might have to get another if I want to carry it around.
Judson11
I was told the rattle is the recoil built into the handle.
So we all get educated, this is Ruger’s official explanation for the rattle in the LCR (http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/FAQs?site=Firearm&cat=6#Q119):
“Like all newly manufactured Ruger revolvers, your LCR has a transfer bar safety system as part of the fire control mechanism. As a result, a hammer blow can be transmitted to the firing pin only when the trigger is pulled all the way to the rear. This is a positive internal safety feature. By design, the transfer bar is allowed some movement within the fire control mechanism so that trigger pull is not affected. Due to this necessary “play” in the transfer bar, a shooter will sometimes hear the transfer bar “rattle” when the revolver is shaken. This rattle caused by the play in the transfer bar is completely normal in the LCR.”
Hope that helps.
judson11
What’s all this about bullets unseating? I have have had a S&W 342PD Airlite for some time — same weight or maybe a little lighter than the LCR, along with a couple of 640s. Never a problem with unseating in factory ammo, either new FMJ ball range rounds or the Speer 135 gr .38 +P GDHP I use for social occasions. The latter is practically made for snubbies. Good ballistic performance, perceived recoil and flash seem less dramatic than other +P rounds.
The Airlite does have a vicious recoil compared to a steel “Centennial,” not surprising when a +P comes to life in a handgun with so little mass: Carry a lot, shoot a little, I guess.
Love the S&W product, but am strongly considering recommending the LCR as a personal protection handgun for a friend, price and trigger being the major selling points.
Even after factory trigger smoothing jobs, all my S&W Centennials’ triggers take some getting used to, and most autoloader-fanciers hate ‘em. Never a malfunction, though. . . .
One note about these very lightweight revolvers with +P ammo: I tolerate recoil pretty well, but when I first got the 342PD, I was dissatisfied with accuracy. Groups at 7 yards were erratic, and I was convinced there was something wrong with it. Sent it back to the factory, in fact, for a trigger job and to have Mother check it over. They said it was fine. I finally digested the fact that I was flinching and it was my own [expletive deleted] fault.
You have to practice, put up with the blisters and bruises on your poor li’l hannies, and acclimatize yourself to them if they’re going to be useful as defense weapons — and give you the benefit of their almost ridiculously light weight.
I just won the LCR at a Friends of the NRA banquet. Looking foward to trying it out. Thanks for informaiton, since I didn’t really didn’t know much about this gun.
I want one! I have progressed from a Taurus .38 Stainless to a Taurus .38 Stainless w/ concealed hammer & C.T. Laser grips to my current carry gun, a lightweight hammerless S&W J frame w/ C.T. Laser grips. It’s actually a Lady Smith…OK, laugh it up! The price was right and it shoots great….are you guys still laughing? Fine, stand down range and tell me it’s a girl’s gun!
Seriously, if i have 1 complaint about the Smith it would be the heavy trigger pull and “surprise” let-off. I handled an LCR at the Ft. Knox P.X. and fell in love. The trigger is like no other i have experienced, it seemed to have a “hold point” just before firing that I found very useful in predicting when the hammer would fall. That predictability could be crucial in a self-defense scenario.
Anyhow, i’m saving up my pennies….did i hear giggling? I’m leaving!
They sell guns at the px did not know this, I have base privlidges but robins doesn’t sell ammo or guns. I have finally found ammo my lcr likes and the factory fixed the front latch cover I really like this gun now. My son just bought one and quite a few of my friends have one now.
They do a Ft. Knox. All good quality stuff, good prices and no sales tax! They also carry a full line of Trijicon optics, I often lust after the ACOG’s for my AR-15, but that’s a different thread, huh?