Comments on: H&K MR556 and MR762: Civilian HK416 and HK417 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/ Firearms not Politics Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:38:33 +1300 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: matt http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-18713 matt Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:34:38 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-18713 You say 10,20, and 30 round magazines will be available... will they accept standard AR mags or only special ones? You say 10,20, and 30 round magazines will be available… will they accept standard AR mags or only special ones?

]]> By: bizzle http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-18044 bizzle Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:47:43 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-18044 Look.. To answer most of the repeated questions I've just read. The only changes made to the556 that keeps it from being used on the lower receiver of an ar-15 platform is pin position. There are two pins that allow seperation of the upper and lower receiver on any ar-15 plattform. The position of the forward pin on the mr556 is the only change keeping the upper from fitting a traditional lower receiver. Second. 10 20 and 30 round magazines will be available for the 556. The 762, however, will only be available in 10 and 20 round magazines according to the h&k u.s. Website. Now as far as the critics I've read over. I've served with a traditional colt m4 and in 2004 us delta guys were blessed with the h&k 416. I've fired the same 416 for five years now in and out of combat. I can promise u there will b abang when u pull the trigger. This weapon system has never failed me and my guys. U will not be dissapointed. Also don't forget that the 762 round, though transfers more kenetic energy on its target, is about. 400mph slower than a 556. Also the 762 drops out of the air at 400 yards. Look.. To answer most of the repeated questions I’ve just read. The only changes made to the556 that keeps it from being used on the lower receiver of an ar-15 platform is pin position. There are two pins that allow seperation of the upper and lower receiver on any ar-15 plattform. The position of the forward pin on the mr556 is the only change keeping the upper from fitting a traditional lower receiver. Second. 10 20 and 30 round magazines will be available for the 556. The 762, however, will only be available in 10 and 20 round magazines according to the h&k u.s. Website. Now as far as the critics I’ve read over. I’ve served with a traditional colt m4 and in 2004 us delta guys were blessed with the h&k 416. I’ve fired the same 416 for five years now in and out of combat. I can promise u there will b abang when u pull the trigger. This weapon system has never failed me and my guys. U will not be dissapointed. Also don’t forget that the 762 round, though transfers more kenetic energy on its target, is about. 400mph slower than a 556. Also the 762 drops out of the air at 400 yards.

]]> By: Darth AkSarBen http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-17924 Darth AkSarBen Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:27:28 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-17924 " This will be the most reliable 5.56×45mm rifle available to the civilian period. That alone makes it worth it." I have a Saiga rifle, made by Izhmash in Russia, that I converted back into it's basic design, namely the AK-101. It is in .223 Remington/ 5.56 x 45 NATO caliber. It is VERY reliable, and I would say, as reliable, if not more, than the HK. I also have shot under 1" groups with it at 100 yards with select hand loaded ammunition. I believe the piston system is the best in reliability. I also believe that there are better rounds out there than the 5.56 x 45, namely the 6.8 SPCII and especially the 6.5 Grendel. ” This will be the most reliable 5.56×45mm rifle available to the civilian period. That alone makes it worth it.”

I have a Saiga rifle, made by Izhmash in Russia, that I converted back into it’s basic design, namely the AK-101. It is in .223 Remington/ 5.56 x 45 NATO caliber. It is VERY reliable, and I would say, as reliable, if not more, than the HK. I also have shot under 1″ groups with it at 100 yards with select hand loaded ammunition. I believe the piston system is the best in reliability. I also believe that there are better rounds out there than the 5.56 x 45, namely the 6.8 SPCII and especially the 6.5 Grendel.

]]> By: oSuperDuke http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-17911 oSuperDuke Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:40:04 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-17911 Here is some info to settle some of the confusion on the MR556: 1. It is the civilian version of the HK416. (This means it is not the exact same rifle.) 2. The HK416 was designed to work with the lowers of the AR15 so the military would not have to buy the complete rife from HK to reduce cost. The MR556 is the civilian model and not the same as the HK416 and not able to use the AR15 lowers. 3. The MR556 is its own rifle and not to be compared to the AR15 and will stand by its own merit. I have used the 416 and if the MR556 has the same design in regards to the piston system it is worth having. It is ignorance when someone says "Unless the average homeowner regularly dunks his rifles in the bathtub, use it as a gardening tool or hammering nails into the roof, this rifle does not offer anything more than an AR-15.". This will be the most reliable 5.56×45mm rifle available to the civilian period. That alone makes it worth it. Here is some info to settle some of the confusion on the MR556:

1. It is the civilian version of the HK416. (This means it is not the exact same rifle.)
2. The HK416 was designed to work with the lowers of the AR15 so the military would not have to buy the complete rife from HK to reduce cost. The MR556 is the civilian model and not the same as the HK416 and not able to use the AR15 lowers.
3. The MR556 is its own rifle and not to be compared to the AR15 and will stand by its own merit. I have used the 416 and if the MR556 has the same design in regards to the piston system it is worth having. It is ignorance when someone says “Unless the average homeowner regularly dunks his rifles in the bathtub, use it as a gardening tool or hammering nails into the roof, this rifle does not offer anything more than an AR-15.”. This will be the most reliable 5.56×45mm rifle available to the civilian period. That alone makes it worth it.

]]> By: Darth AkSarBen http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-17828 Darth AkSarBen Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:18:43 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-17828 Love the piston rifle idea. Now, make them available in 6.8 SPCII and 6.5 Grendel, and you have one fine rifle. Love the piston rifle idea. Now, make them available in 6.8 SPCII and 6.5 Grendel, and you have one fine rifle.

]]> By: DAVEY http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-17803 DAVEY Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:04:29 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-17803 bmwm3- wrote: "I can see the jealousy of HK haters is at an all time high. I don’t want an M4 I could’ve bought a cheaply manufactured american made AR probably for half of what I will pay for the MR’s. But I can afford a superior german engineering, no need to hate on my part. Thanks HK for releasing this incredible piece of hardware." how you can even compare this weapon to an ar-15 made by colt is beyond me. and justify the comparison that we hate the hk because its so $$ is even more ridiculous. thats like comparing a glock to a colt navy revolver. hk knew the short comings of the m4 platform ahead of time so they knew what to fix. im not debating this rifle isnt better than a standard issue colt m4. eventhough the di colt's bolt can be considered to act as the piston in the set up. what i am debating is what your comparing it to. and your arrogance against cheap american product. because ill tell you right now, your choice of top tier german engineering for guns is as bad as your choice for german cars...bmw has nothing on audi. and bmw can never do it like pure amearican muscle. just like hk can never do it like a lwrc m6a2. as for combat, noone is ever happy. every type of machine made has an upside and a downside. if i were you, id focus on your shooting skills. let the armorer worry about design. bmwm3- wrote:
“I can see the jealousy of HK haters is at an all time high. I don’t want an M4 I could’ve bought a cheaply manufactured american made AR probably for half of what I will pay for the MR’s. But I can afford a superior german engineering, no need to hate on my part. Thanks HK for releasing this incredible piece of hardware.”

how you can even compare this weapon to an ar-15 made by colt is beyond me. and justify the comparison that we hate the hk because its so $$ is even more ridiculous. thats like comparing a glock to a colt navy revolver. hk knew the short comings of the m4 platform ahead of time so they knew what to fix.

im not debating this rifle isnt better than a standard issue colt m4. eventhough the di colt’s bolt can be considered to act as the piston in the set up. what i am debating is what your comparing it to. and your arrogance against cheap american product.

because ill tell you right now, your choice of top tier german engineering for guns is as bad as your choice for german cars…bmw has nothing on audi. and bmw can never do it like pure amearican muscle. just like hk can never do it like a lwrc m6a2.

as for combat, noone is ever happy. every type of machine made has an upside and a downside. if i were you, id focus on your shooting skills. let the armorer worry about design.

]]> By: Darth AkSarBen http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-17087 Darth AkSarBen Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:43:05 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-17087 My Siaga shoots .308, and the powder does not get into the chamber/bolt area, and DOES NOT malfunction....ever! neither does my Siaga AK-101 style rifle. Both are Kalashnikov action rifles and both shoot fairly tight groups with good hand loads. Stag Arms is coming out very soon, (Dec 2009 I believe) with a piston driven 5.56 NATO rifle. See here: http://www.stagarms.com/index.php?cPath=13_22 Vern My Siaga shoots .308, and the powder does not get into the chamber/bolt area, and DOES NOT malfunction….ever! neither does my Siaga AK-101 style rifle. Both are Kalashnikov action rifles and both shoot fairly tight groups with good hand loads.

Stag Arms is coming out very soon, (Dec 2009 I believe) with a piston driven 5.56 NATO rifle. See here: http://www.stagarms.com/index.php?cPath=13_22

Vern

]]> By: Meine Oma http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-15492 Meine Oma Sat, 03 Oct 2009 06:44:02 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-15492 I rather prefer the M1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Abrams I rather prefer the M1.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Abrams

]]> By: Lance http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-14861 Lance Mon, 21 Sep 2009 19:42:36 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-14861 Id love to buy a 416 BUT I have to win the lottery to afford one. I think the .308 AR is worthless id buy a M1A Socom far before a AR-10 of any type. Id love to buy a 416 BUT I have to win the lottery to afford one. I think the .308 AR is worthless id buy a M1A Socom far before a AR-10 of any type.

]]> By: Jan http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-12518 Jan Sat, 25 Jul 2009 19:25:16 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-12518 Hi there I own a HK MR 223 It shoots great the handling is excelent the groups with dump ammo are about 4cm S&B does about 2cm a diemaco mag will fit if you remove about 2mm of the top rib on the side and front of the mag ,it does not drop out automaticly tough ,steel AR15 (alu)mags fit without a problem HK 30rnd mags can be filled with 30 rounds . the weapon stays very clean firred about 400 rounds and it still looks clean The weapon comes without sights with only 1 10 round mag Hi there
I own a HK MR 223
It shoots great the handling is excelent the groups with dump ammo are about 4cm S&B does about 2cm
a diemaco mag will fit if you remove about 2mm of the top rib on the side and front of the mag ,it does not drop out automaticly tough ,steel AR15 (alu)mags fit without a problem HK 30rnd mags can be filled with 30 rounds .
the weapon stays very clean firred about 400 rounds and it still looks clean
The weapon comes without sights with only 1 10 round mag

]]> By: screaming.eagle http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-12491 screaming.eagle Sat, 25 Jul 2009 01:58:26 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-12491 HK already makes its own type of magazine that works with their HK416 series rifles. They are very much an upgrade from the standard GI mag and are compatible with every AR rifle I have heard of. The one drawback to them is that they are made of a steel body so they do have some added weight. This is not a factor if you just go to a range and shoot off a table, but will be noticable if you have a full kit on with 8 to 10 mags in it. If it is true about the PMAG being incompatible with the MR556, that sucks, since I am sure a good number of people have them since they are one of the best mags out there. It is good that Magpul is addressing this problem by developing a mag that works with this rifle, so long as it still works with the other AR based platforms. I personaly would buy one of these rifles as long as HK keeps the price reasonable. I have seen the 416 in action, with is what this platform is based off of, and have to say that is is a superb rifle. I owned a USP Tactical, and if this rifle is in tune with HK's reputation for reliability, then it will be a flawlessly functioning rifle. HK already makes its own type of magazine that works with their HK416 series rifles. They are very much an upgrade from the standard GI mag and are compatible with every AR rifle I have heard of. The one drawback to them is that they are made of a steel body so they do have some added weight. This is not a factor if you just go to a range and shoot off a table, but will be noticable if you have a full kit on with 8 to 10 mags in it. If it is true about the PMAG being incompatible with the MR556, that sucks, since I am sure a good number of people have them since they are one of the best mags out there. It is good that Magpul is addressing this problem by developing a mag that works with this rifle, so long as it still works with the other AR based platforms. I personaly would buy one of these rifles as long as HK keeps the price reasonable. I have seen the 416 in action, with is what this platform is based off of, and have to say that is is a superb rifle. I owned a USP Tactical, and if this rifle is in tune with HK’s reputation for reliability, then it will be a flawlessly functioning rifle.

]]> By: Bobby http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-11951 Bobby Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:29:04 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-11951 M6A2 is 10'' barrel to 16.1'' barrel. I will be getting the 16.1'' barrel and try to get my hands on an 18''. M6A2 is 10” barrel to 16.1” barrel.

I will be getting the 16.1” barrel and try to get my hands on an 18”.

]]> By: Edward http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-11910 Edward Sat, 11 Jul 2009 11:50:03 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-11910 Are you sure that you're not just talking about LWRC's M6A# series in general? So far as I recall, the M6A2 specifically refers to the SBR build, whereas, say, the M6A3 would have been their IAR entry. (Maybe it'll find its way back, depending on whatever happens with the Army and the M4 contract.) Are you sure that you’re not just talking about LWRC’s M6A# series in general? So far as I recall, the M6A2 specifically refers to the SBR build, whereas, say, the M6A3 would have been their IAR entry. (Maybe it’ll find its way back, depending on whatever happens with the Army and the M4 contract.)

]]> By: Bobby http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-11909 Bobby Sat, 11 Jul 2009 07:27:11 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-11909 I just got sweeped away by the M6A2. .... .... I love the 416, but seriously? A piston gas rifle that fires underwater, with sand in the barrel, and is 6.8 x43mm? LWRC has won my money. I just got sweeped away by the M6A2.

….

….

I love the 416, but seriously?

A piston gas rifle that fires underwater, with sand in the barrel, and is 6.8 x43mm?

LWRC has won my money.

]]> By: Bobby http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-11870 Bobby Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:50:01 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-11870 It also has the upside of not needing to be cleaned as much as a normal AR-15, and it comes in a larger chambering. :) It also has the upside of not needing to be cleaned as much as a normal AR-15, and it comes in a larger chambering. :)

]]> By: jackie chan http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-11807 jackie chan Thu, 09 Jul 2009 01:09:07 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-11807 this rifle is more reliable from stanpoint of combat in extreme conditions such as prolong exposure to dust, water, drops etc. Unless the average homeowner regularly dunks his rifles in the bathtub, use it as a gardening tool or hammering nails into the roof, this rifle does not offer anything more than an AR-15. cool to own one but not necessary from a technical aspect. this rifle is more reliable from stanpoint of combat in extreme conditions such as prolong exposure to dust, water, drops etc.

Unless the average homeowner regularly dunks his rifles in the bathtub, use it as a gardening tool or hammering nails into the roof, this rifle does not offer anything more than an AR-15.

cool to own one but not necessary from a technical aspect.

]]> By: Bobby http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-11759 Bobby Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:13:19 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-11759 I love this design. I just hope it accepts all the AR-15 accessories. I love this design. I just hope it accepts all the AR-15 accessories.

]]> By: s.w.a.tson416 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-11179 s.w.a.tson416 Mon, 22 Jun 2009 02:53:28 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-11179 awsome hk eeh...exeted my expetations eeh... cant believe some people dont like it hk rullesssssssssssss eeh... awsome hk eeh…exeted my expetations eeh… cant believe some people dont like it hk rullesssssssssssss eeh…

]]> By: Trent http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-9536 Trent Wed, 13 May 2009 00:38:56 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-9536 @Trevor, AK-47's use 7.62x39mm rounds, while the MR762 uses 7.62x51mm NATO (.308 Winchester) which is also used on a good number of sniping platforms. @Trevor, AK-47’s use 7.62×39mm rounds, while the MR762 uses 7.62×51mm NATO (.308 Winchester) which is also used on a good number of sniping platforms.

]]> By: trevor http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-9451 trevor Mon, 11 May 2009 03:51:50 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-9451 what is the fall x distance rate for the 7.62 round. Because I know the ak 47 shoot the 7.62 and the ak is extremely inaccurate, but there are sniper rifle that shoot the 7.62? what is the fall x distance rate for the 7.62 round. Because I know the ak 47 shoot the 7.62 and the ak is extremely inaccurate, but there are sniper rifle that shoot the 7.62?

]]> By: Kris http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-6886 Kris Fri, 27 Feb 2009 03:49:35 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-6886 I apologize if this is redundant but I see a lot of confusion and not many answers. 1) There *is* a problem with PMags and the civ. 416, Magpul is compensating with the 'EMag' which is meant for these two and the two versions of the FN SCAR. The problem is the mags wont drop when released. GI mags *should* work fine. 2) The difference on the AR compatibility is the offset of the pushpins that separate the upper and lower. 3) The price point (via hkpro.com) is around $2500. Lance probably saw a 416 uppper, or a 416 upper on a AR-15 lower for sale. They aren't out yet so, no Lance, you didn't see one for sale. $3500-9k is about right for a new '416'. We will see if they can ship enough of them to stick that price point. For the record HK is win, but I would honestly recommend a POF or LWRC setup over this, simply for the compatibility issues. I apologize if this is redundant but I see a lot of confusion and not many answers.

1) There *is* a problem with PMags and the civ. 416, Magpul is compensating with the ‘EMag’ which is meant for these two and the two versions of the FN SCAR. The problem is the mags wont drop when released. GI mags *should* work fine.

2) The difference on the AR compatibility is the offset of the pushpins that separate the upper and lower.

3) The price point (via hkpro.com) is around $2500. Lance probably saw a 416 uppper, or a 416 upper on a AR-15 lower for sale. They aren’t out yet so, no Lance, you didn’t see one for sale. $3500-9k is about right for a new ‘416′. We will see if they can ship enough of them to stick that price point.

For the record HK is win, but I would honestly recommend a POF or LWRC setup over this, simply for the compatibility issues.

]]> By: Michael http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-6867 Michael Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:30:27 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-6867 HK jealousy, RU serious? I'd put an LWRC M6A2 up against it everyday. In fact, I believe the Navy Seals did and performed just as well as the HK but without all of the HK BS and price! HK jealousy, RU serious? I’d put an LWRC M6A2 up against it everyday. In fact, I believe the Navy Seals did and performed just as well as the HK but without all of the HK BS and price!

]]> By: Jim mcInnis http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-5807 Jim mcInnis Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:14:34 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-5807 will AR 15 magazines fit? will AR 15 magazines fit?

]]> By: AK™ http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-5776 AK™ Thu, 29 Jan 2009 08:39:31 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-5776 I'd buy it.. same reason I would buy a Mercedes-Benz. Of course for what it costs to get either of those..I can have a couple of American versions.. Still...I'd want one of each..and a tricked out 416.*including a M320..for flares..you know ;) I’d buy it..
same reason I would buy a Mercedes-Benz.

Of course for what it costs to get either of those..I can have a couple of American versions..

Still…I’d want one of each..and a tricked out 416.*including a M320..for flares..you know ;)

]]> By: Lance http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-5677 Lance Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:38:05 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-5677 How can you hate on HK? I would put the USP against any other handgun and choose HK anytime. I have started seeing the rifles for sale now and just what I thought anywhere from $3500 to $9000. Really, I have been waiting to buy the both of them since I heard about them 5 Years ago, but lets just say I would now rather buy 3 rock rivers compaired to 1 MR. Sad to say but true. I dont know how HK thinks this rifle is worth this much money. I understand the new tech. side of it but 3500 dollars. Here are the auctions if you are trying to find them. The first one is a dealer in Canada and the ones he has were made in germany. http://www.crafm.com/ http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=121412754 http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=120746986 How can you hate on HK? I would put the USP against any other handgun and choose HK anytime. I have started seeing the rifles for sale now and just what I thought anywhere from $3500 to $9000. Really, I have been waiting to buy the both of them since I heard about them 5 Years ago, but lets just say I would now rather buy 3 rock rivers compaired to 1 MR. Sad to say but true. I dont know how HK thinks this rifle is worth this much money. I understand the new tech. side of it but 3500 dollars. Here are the auctions if you are trying to find them. The first one is a dealer in Canada and the ones he has were made in germany.

http://www.crafm.com/
http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=121412754
http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=120746986

]]> By: Edward http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-5359 Edward Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:42:56 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-5359 <i>I am sure the MR556 accepts STANAG magazines, it would be complete idiocy otherwise.</i> Funny thing, the MR556 (if it can't take STANAG) goes against Larry Vicker's statement that "[t]he one major drawback to [using a better magazine] is that it would make the magazine non-interchangeable with other M16 style weapons and magazines on the market. Unfortunately that took a different magazine off the table for this project." (HKPro.com) I am sure the MR556 accepts STANAG magazines, it would be complete idiocy otherwise.

Funny thing, the MR556 (if it can’t take STANAG) goes against Larry Vicker’s statement that “[t]he one major drawback to [using a better magazine] is that it would make the magazine non-interchangeable with other M16 style weapons and magazines on the market. Unfortunately that took a different magazine off the table for this project.” (HKPro.com)

]]> By: bmwm3p http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-5216 bmwm3p Mon, 19 Jan 2009 21:56:52 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-5216 I can see the jealousy of HK haters is at an all time high. I don't want an M4 I could've bought a cheaply manufactured american made AR probably for half of what I will pay for the MR's. But I can afford a superior german engineering, no need to hate on my part. Thanks HK for releasing this incredible piece of hardware. I can see the jealousy of HK haters is at an all time high. I don’t want an M4 I could’ve bought a cheaply manufactured american made AR probably for half of what I will pay for the MR’s. But I can afford a superior german engineering, no need to hate on my part. Thanks HK for releasing this incredible piece of hardware.

]]> By: thebronze http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-5067 thebronze Sat, 17 Jan 2009 04:04:19 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-5067 HK can KMA and then FOAD! HK can KMA and then FOAD!

]]> By: jdun1911 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-4954 jdun1911 Thu, 15 Jan 2009 04:47:42 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-4954 Did you guys notice that he mention the magazine safety "feature", just like in the Browning Hi-Power? Did you guys notice that he mention the magazine safety “feature”, just like in the Browning Hi-Power?

]]> By: Sean Nack http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-4950 Sean Nack Thu, 15 Jan 2009 03:49:48 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-4950 i don't think i've gone from "yay!" to "boo!" so fast in my entire life. patriot ordnance makes something about as good, without the ridiculousness. i don’t think i’ve gone from “yay!” to “boo!” so fast in my entire life. patriot ordnance makes something about as good, without the ridiculousness.

]]> By: jdun1911 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-4943 jdun1911 Thu, 15 Jan 2009 01:32:43 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-4943 I won't be surprise if this is true. HK has a long and sorry past of selling gimped rifles to civilians. I won’t be surprise if this is true. HK has a long and sorry past of selling gimped rifles to civilians.

]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-4942 Steve Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:52:59 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-4942 jdun1911, that is pretty damn amazing! It is hard to believe. HK still hates us. jdun1911, that is pretty damn amazing! It is hard to believe. HK still hates us.

]]> By: jdun1911 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-4941 jdun1911 Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:49:18 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-4941 Someone just posted on AR15.com saying that the MR556 does not take PMAG and Diemaco magazine. The HK magazine feed lips are different then STANAG. If this is true, HK hate you --------------------------- "So how comes that the Sabre Defence and Oberland Arms AR15 available here have standard lower receiver and "the law" only affects HK? I had a closer look at the MR223 at a local dealer here last week. It doesn't take Diemaco and PMAGs (don't fit the mag well) and I'm not so sure about USGI mags (I didn't have one with me that day) as the magazine lips on the HK mag look different. The MR223 has a magazine safety (because you suck in gun handling) With that price tag I buy another Sabre Defence in a heartbeat instead." and ""German export regulations" . I don't believe that bullshit for one second. They are planning on building it in the U.S. !!! They can easily call it a different name, or other slight differences to differentiate it from any govt. contract model. It's pure B.S. on HK's part. They KNOW that since only the upper is different, NOBODY (other than hard-core fanboys) will want to buy an HK lower. So they are deliberately designing it so you cannot just buy the upper. " http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=815091&page=2 HK. Because you suck. And we hate you. http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2007/10/09/hk-because-you-suck-and-we-hate-you/ Someone just posted on AR15.com saying that the MR556 does not take PMAG and Diemaco magazine. The HK magazine feed lips are different then STANAG. If this is true, HK hate you

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“So how comes that the Sabre Defence and Oberland Arms AR15 available here have standard lower receiver and “the law” only affects HK?

I had a closer look at the MR223 at a local dealer here last week. It doesn’t take Diemaco and PMAGs (don’t fit the mag well) and I’m not so sure about USGI mags (I didn’t have one with me that day) as the magazine lips on the HK mag look different. The MR223 has a magazine safety (because you suck in gun handling) With that price tag I buy another Sabre Defence in a heartbeat instead.”

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“”German export regulations” .

I don’t believe that bullshit for one second.

They are planning on building it in the U.S. !!!

They can easily call it a different name, or other slight differences to differentiate it from any govt. contract model. It’s pure B.S. on HK’s part. They KNOW that since only the upper is different, NOBODY (other than hard-core fanboys) will want to buy an HK lower. So they are deliberately designing it so you cannot just buy the upper. “

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=815091&page=2

HK. Because you suck. And we hate you.
http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2007/10/09/hk-because-you-suck-and-we-hate-you/

]]> By: jdun1911 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-4939 jdun1911 Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:30:26 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-4939 From what I understand it will be around $3500. The HK417 will use proprietary magazine. Their G3 magazine will not work with the HK417. Rumors has it it will be around $75-$100 each. Given most AR10 magazine are over $30, it fair to said that the rumors is probably true. Incompatibility is bad. Finding spare overpriced parts will be a nightmare. I'm wondering myself if HK limited to 10 rounders like they do with their other rifles. Because I find it no reason other being cheap to not include a 30 round GI magazine. Hell I think the 10 rounders are currently more expensive because of their rarity, lack of manufactures making them. From what I understand it will be around $3500.

The HK417 will use proprietary magazine. Their G3 magazine will not work with the HK417. Rumors has it it will be around $75-$100 each. Given most AR10 magazine are over $30, it fair to said that the rumors is probably true.

Incompatibility is bad. Finding spare overpriced parts will be a nightmare.

I’m wondering myself if HK limited to 10 rounders like they do with their other rifles. Because I find it no reason other being cheap to not include a 30 round GI magazine. Hell I think the 10 rounders are currently more expensive because of their rarity, lack of manufactures making them.

]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-4934 Steve Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:30:44 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-4934 I am sure the MR556 accepts STANAG magazines, it would be complete idiocy otherwise. I am sure the MR556 accepts STANAG magazines, it would be complete idiocy otherwise.

]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-4933 Steve Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:29:37 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-4933 I don't think the incompatibility is a bad thing. Its not an AR-15 so if ARs are named on the AWB 2.0 it won't be banned (unless it is banned for other reasons like an evil pistol grip or flash hider) I don’t think the incompatibility is a bad thing. Its not an AR-15 so if ARs are named on the AWB 2.0 it won’t be banned (unless it is banned for other reasons like an evil pistol grip or flash hider)

]]> By: Jennersen http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-4932 Jennersen Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:26:52 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-4932 I thought the SLR only took a proprietary HK mag? If they are doing the same again they can go eat crow. If the MR556 accepts STANAG magazines then perhaps it might be worth it. Then again I am not impressed with gas piston AR styled systems. I thought the SLR only took a proprietary HK mag? If they are doing the same again they can go eat crow. If the MR556 accepts STANAG magazines then perhaps it might be worth it. Then again I am not impressed with gas piston AR styled systems.

]]> By: Maxpwr http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-4928 Maxpwr Wed, 14 Jan 2009 21:38:13 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-4928 More firearms developed just in time to get banned. Given HK's record on delivering civilian versions of their firearms, they probably won't miss much if they do get banned. More firearms developed just in time to get banned. Given HK’s record on delivering civilian versions of their firearms, they probably won’t miss much if they do get banned.

]]> By: EzGoingKev http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-4926 EzGoingKev Wed, 14 Jan 2009 21:01:54 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-4926 Also, I would guess they are shipping them with 10 round magazines so they will be compliant in as many states as possible. Also, I would guess they are shipping them with 10 round magazines so they will be compliant in as many states as possible.

]]> By: EzGoingKev http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-4924 EzGoingKev Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:53:19 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-4924 Any way to find out what MSRP is going to be? I want an M4 type rifle and have been waiting for this particular rifle but I am not going to wait if this is going to be a $3500 deal. Any way to find out what MSRP is going to be?

I want an M4 type rifle and have been waiting for this particular rifle but I am not going to wait if this is going to be a $3500 deal.

]]> By: jdun1911 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-4922 jdun1911 Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:43:34 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-4922 "To conform to German export regulations, certain design changes made in the MR556 prevents the rifle’s upper receiver from being used on other AR-style firearms." What a waste and I bet all the parts are proprietary. “To conform to German export regulations, certain design changes made in the MR556 prevents the rifle’s upper receiver from being used on other AR-style firearms.”

What a waste and I bet all the parts are proprietary.

]]> By: Vote For David http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-4918 Vote For David Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:54:16 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-4918 A civilian who buys an HK rifle is like a civilian who smokes. Both are minor acts of self-hatred for temporary perceived benefits. You still suck, and we still hate you, but we deign to allow your lower-class non-agency money to come to us. And no, we won't make you an AR upper to go with your own lower. Because you suck, and we hate you. Still. A civilian who buys an HK rifle is like a civilian who smokes. Both are minor acts of self-hatred for temporary perceived benefits.

You still suck, and we still hate you, but we deign to allow your lower-class non-agency money to come to us. And no, we won’t make you an AR upper to go with your own lower. Because you suck, and we hate you. Still.

]]> By: sig556reviews.com http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-4917 sig556reviews.com Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:46:52 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-4917 <strong>H&K MR556 and MR762: Civilian HK416 and HK417 - via thefirearmblog.com...</strong> Thefirearmblog.com has a post up about a couple of new items in the HK lineup (the H&K MR556 and MR762).  They also point out that they’re shipping with 10rd magazines.  Sound’s like another manufacturer that’s hedging their bet... H&K MR556 and MR762: Civilian HK416 and HK417 – via thefirearmblog.com…

Thefirearmblog.com has a post up about a couple of new items in the HK lineup (the H&K MR556 and MR762).  They also point out that they’re shipping with 10rd magazines.  Sound’s like another manufacturer that’s hedging their bet…

]]> By: .308 Lover http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-4913 .308 Lover Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:58:09 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-4913 Any idea what kind of magazines the 417, excuse me, MR762 will be using? Are they the SR mags or a proprietary HK mag? I know they used G3 mags for the prototypes, but obviously they're not using them here... Any idea what kind of magazines the 417, excuse me, MR762 will be using? Are they the SR mags or a proprietary HK mag? I know they used G3 mags for the prototypes, but obviously they’re not using them here…

]]> By: jdun1911 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/hk-mr556-and-mr762-civilian-hk416-and-hk417/#comment-4910 jdun1911 Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:48:56 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4292#comment-4910 That thing is freaking heavy. HK is too cheap to give the buyers 30 mag rounds. That thing is freaking heavy. HK is too cheap to give the buyers 30 mag rounds.

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