Comments on: PMAGS tested in cold conditions http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/09/pmags-tested-in-cold-conditions/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:24:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: C Roberts http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/09/pmags-tested-in-cold-conditions/comment-page-1/#comment-67450 C Roberts Fri, 15 Jul 2011 08:43:05 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4127#comment-67450 I have been telling people about P-Mags cracking in Afghanistan and the Magpul fans will slam anyone for even mentioning it saying it was a fluke or how great Magpul's warrantee is. Doesn't do much good when you are in the mountains in enemy territory. I have been telling people about P-Mags cracking in Afghanistan and the Magpul fans will slam anyone for even mentioning it saying it was a fluke or how great Magpul’s warrantee is. Doesn’t do much good when you are in the mountains in enemy territory.

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]]> By: SleepyDave http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/09/pmags-tested-in-cold-conditions/comment-page-1/#comment-53835 SleepyDave Tue, 25 Jan 2011 19:07:23 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4127#comment-53835 You know, I think this is why I prefer old-school metal mags and magpulls made out of duct tape, paracord, and zipties. They're pretty much disposable, they're cheap to start off with, easy to repair, and if the magazine becomes failure prone or too damaged to function, I can always replace it with another one. Good on Magpul for becoming aware of this and doing something about it. I'm sure we're all familiar with marketing and R&D departments whose response to a statement of damage is "well, don't do whatever it is you did, stupid." You know, I think this is why I prefer old-school metal mags and magpulls made out of duct tape, paracord, and zipties. They’re pretty much disposable, they’re cheap to start off with, easy to repair, and if the magazine becomes failure prone or too damaged to function, I can always replace it with another one.

Good on Magpul for becoming aware of this and doing something about it. I’m sure we’re all familiar with marketing and R&D departments whose response to a statement of damage is “well, don’t do whatever it is you did, stupid.”

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]]> By: charles222 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/09/pmags-tested-in-cold-conditions/comment-page-1/#comment-53832 charles222 Tue, 25 Jan 2011 18:49:16 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4127#comment-53832 Yeah, TBH your weapon is probably going to be frozen shut at such temperatures anyway after exposure for an extended period of time-we spent a single night at about 13,000 feet AGL in Afghanistan on my first deployment and in the morning all of the weapons (M4, M249, M14, M240) had ice formed in them. Kinda pointless if your mags work in that weather at that point. Yeah, TBH your weapon is probably going to be frozen shut at such temperatures anyway after exposure for an extended period of time-we spent a single night at about 13,000 feet AGL in Afghanistan on my first deployment and in the morning all of the weapons (M4, M249, M14, M240) had ice formed in them.

Kinda pointless if your mags work in that weather at that point.

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]]> By: subase http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/09/pmags-tested-in-cold-conditions/comment-page-1/#comment-31899 subase Fri, 30 Apr 2010 11:31:42 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4127#comment-31899 To be honest I think it's not so much the polymer but the design of the magazine with exposed feed lips. I can't see any wonder material that would be able to sustain that type of specific shock on such a small but critical area under extremely cold conditions and not succumb to some type of deformation. To be honest I think it’s not so much the polymer but the design of the magazine with exposed feed lips. I can’t see any wonder material that would be able to sustain that type of specific shock on such a small but critical area under extremely cold conditions and not succumb to some type of deformation.

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]]> By: subase http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/09/pmags-tested-in-cold-conditions/comment-page-1/#comment-31898 subase Fri, 30 Apr 2010 11:26:46 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4127#comment-31898 Eh nothing is perfect, obviously Magpuls polymers are inferior to Russian and European polymers. That just means you use Magpuls in the desert and Aluminum mags in the cold. For military people though I would be more concerned with throwing away magazines in an intense firefight, than dropping them accidentally on their feed lips onto concrete in minus 30 weather. Still pretty lame AR magazines are susceptible to this though. Eh nothing is perfect, obviously Magpuls polymers are inferior to Russian and European polymers.

That just means you use Magpuls in the desert and Aluminum mags in the cold.

For military people though I would be more concerned with throwing away magazines in an intense firefight, than dropping them accidentally on their feed lips onto concrete in minus 30 weather.

Still pretty lame AR magazines are susceptible to this though.

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]]> By: Stan http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/09/pmags-tested-in-cold-conditions/comment-page-1/#comment-4771 Stan Sat, 10 Jan 2009 21:46:10 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4127#comment-4771 I'm pretty sure if I were to drop a steel AK mag feedlips first onto the ground it'd be just fine, might damage the concrete though. I’m pretty sure if I were to drop a steel AK mag feedlips first onto the ground it’d be just fine, might damage the concrete though.

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]]> By: Jennersen http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/09/pmags-tested-in-cold-conditions/comment-page-1/#comment-4765 Jennersen Sat, 10 Jan 2009 19:59:29 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4127#comment-4765 Bakelite magazines take the cold. I believe they are thermoldplastics? I know they are not metal, but I do not know what plastic they are made out of specifically. I would not make a statement saying plastics cannot handle x, y, or z. MagPul PMAGs may not stand up to it to well, but then again a PMAG is not a Soviet/Russian Bakelite, which is one of the reasons some AK fans do not think MagPul will ever make AK-47/74 magazines. Bakelite magazines take the cold. I believe they are thermoldplastics? I know they are not metal, but I do not know what plastic they are made out of specifically. I would not make a statement saying plastics cannot handle x, y, or z. MagPul PMAGs may not stand up to it to well, but then again a PMAG is not a Soviet/Russian Bakelite, which is one of the reasons some AK fans do not think MagPul will ever make AK-47/74 magazines.

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/09/pmags-tested-in-cold-conditions/comment-page-1/#comment-4741 Steve Sat, 10 Jan 2009 02:08:10 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4127#comment-4741 yes they do understand neo-marketing. You cannot believe how backward some of PR firms for firearm manufactures are. I was recently told by one PR firm, after requesting some info, that because I was not a "writer" they would give me access to press releases. yes they do understand neo-marketing. You cannot believe how backward some of PR firms for firearm manufactures are. I was recently told by one PR firm, after requesting some info, that because I was not a “writer” they would give me access to press releases.

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]]> By: jdun1911 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/09/pmags-tested-in-cold-conditions/comment-page-1/#comment-4740 jdun1911 Sat, 10 Jan 2009 02:05:21 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=4127#comment-4740 You have to admit Magpul understand the internet and AR15.com. Their damage control team is second to none. They never mentioned how long it was store at -30F nor did the video show the height of the magazine being dropped. Until independent testers do their own tests take it as a grain of salt. It is always fun to see fanboys going their way to defended favorite product. It's also fun to see fanboys from another completing product declaring their favorite product is better. Don't get me wrong I own over 10 30 rounds magpul mag and 10 of their 20 rounds version. I have around 40 GI magazine (30 and 20 rounders) and 10 L5 lancer (30 rounds). I don't have a problem with Magpul's mags breaking up at those temperatures. It was expected because plastic become brittle in extreme cold and I treat all magazines as disposable items. What I have a problem is when people tries to hype a product that has known limitations. Remember that plastic start deteriorating at the get go. The more it is exposed to the environment (UV) the faster it will deteriorate. BTW don't think about buying those $50 HK mags. Save your money because at those prices you expected more from it. http://hkpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=91413&page=2 http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=17&t=401646 Here is another thread on Pmag and cold: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=17&t=416124 Lancer L5 testing: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=17&t=409288 Off topic: The Smoking Bank Robber. Look like it came out of a movie. http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=811123&page=1 You have to admit Magpul understand the internet and AR15.com. Their damage control team is second to none. They never mentioned how long it was store at -30F nor did the video show the height of the magazine being dropped. Until independent testers do their own tests take it as a grain of salt.

It is always fun to see fanboys going their way to defended favorite product. It’s also fun to see fanboys from another completing product declaring their favorite product is better.

Don’t get me wrong I own over 10 30 rounds magpul mag and 10 of their 20 rounds version. I have around 40 GI magazine (30 and 20 rounders) and 10 L5 lancer (30 rounds).

I don’t have a problem with Magpul’s mags breaking up at those temperatures. It was expected because plastic become brittle in extreme cold and I treat all magazines as disposable items. What I have a problem is when people tries to hype a product that has known limitations.

Remember that plastic start deteriorating at the get go. The more it is exposed to the environment (UV) the faster it will deteriorate.

BTW don’t think about buying those $50 HK mags. Save your money because at those prices you expected more from it.
http://hkpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=91413&page=2
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=17&t=401646

Here is another thread on Pmag and cold:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=17&t=416124

Lancer L5 testing:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=17&t=409288

Off topic: The Smoking Bank Robber. Look like it came out of a movie.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=811123&page=1

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