224,000 Rounds in 12 days


James Yeager wrote a fascinating article for SWAT Magazine and has cross posted it on the The Survival Podcast Forum.

So what happens to a bunch of ARs, AKs and various pistols when you subject them to 12 very intense days and nearly a quarter million rounds of ammunition? Everything! In a recent 12-day span we have 22 students in a Fighting Rifle course, a High Risk Civilian Contractor Shooting Package and a High Risk Civilian Contractor Medical Package. I decided to document the things that went wrong as we pushed men and machines through 12 very harsh days of training. This was no make-believe “Torture Test” it was actual sweat and ammunition combined to make “Training Torture”. If these classes aren’t the toughest in the world they are close.

I highly recommend reading it. Some of the malfunctions they had are bizarre. In one such malfunction an empty 7.62x39mm (or possibly 5.45mm) case got stuck *behind* the bolt of an AK!

Also make sure you read forum replies by James. I was interested to see that he offers all his classes to civilians:

I will NEVER teach a class that isn’t open to civilians. NEVER. I am a Life NRA member and a proud supporter of the 2nd Ammendment.

Read the article here.

A big thanks to Jay for emailing me the link.

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  • R.A.W.

    In one such malfunction an empty 7.62×39mm (or possibly 5.45mm) case got stuck *behind* the bolt of an AK!

    whoah…

    My mind is officially blown.

  • jdun1911

    Yeager sure run them hard in his class doesn’t he?

    Another proof that plastic will melt while shooting.

    God forbid if this happen in a arid environment like Iraq or Afghanistan with plastic receivers in a firefight. The rifle can function if the plastic handguard melted but not with a deformed plastic receiver.

  • TG13

    JDUN1911- it depends on the polymer that is used.. cheap parts are usually made of cheap materials..

    think.. what is the actual difference between “Made in USA” parts that were endorsed, and “cheap plastic” that was ridiculed?? the base materials..

    so, not all plastic will melt under this stress.. obviously, there were ARs in this test that did not melt..

    parts that are made of mineral, or glass reinforced Zytel Nylons..

    http://www2.dupont.com/Automotive/en_US/products_services/engineeringPlastics/zytelNylon.html

    the cheap plastic parts are made of other types of nylon that do not have the same heat/flame resistance as Zytel..

  • jdun1911

    I understand that some plastic have a better resistant to heat then other but in the end it will melt.

    Plastic are very poor choice of material to use when it comes to handling heat. Yet companies like FN keep insisting on using cheap plastic for their receivers instead of going to Aluminum or Steel.

    My cousin and I always get a laugh when gun companies overcharged for their plastic firearms. Molding plastic is cheaper then milling aluminum or steel. So I never understood why the cost saving isn’t pass to the consumers.

    Anyway, the AR that was used probably wasn’t capable of full auto or burst and it wasn’t a hot day/week by the looks of it.

  • dogon1013

    recievers do not get as hot as the barrel in most guns, since most guns do not send the hot gasses into the reciever (that’s why no-one makes a plastic AR direct-impingment upper). forends will melt, but recievers don’t get near as hot.

    Does anoyone have a link to this training class, or info on it like cost, and schedule? I couldn’t find anything in the article, except that it was in Camden Tennessee.

  • Komrad

    Isn’t this the same guy who had someone downrange during a beginner’s live fire exercise.