NASA’s hybrid air/gun powder gun

The latest Popular Mechanics (Jan 2009) has an article about the 12 foot long vertical gun NASA has at the Ames Research Center. The gun is used to simulate impacts from meteor and space debris.

What is very interesting is that it utilizes a hybrid air gun / gun powder system. It uses a gunpowder charge to accelerate a piston which compresses hydrogen gas to 100,000 psi (maximum pressure of a .338 Lapua Magnum is 60,916 psi). This propels a saboted projectile at 26,400 fps!

The piston system if very common. All spring air guns use it, even the simple springer airsoft guns use a simple piston system. The difference is they use a spring to propel the piston which compresses air.

Here is my attempt at explaining my understanding of how the NASA gun works:

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Excuse my drawing skills. Click to expand

UPDATE: A diagram by NASA of a Light Gas Gun (thanks to R.A.W and Billl):

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I got it more or less correct icon smile NASAs hybrid air/gun powder gun photo

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  1. R.A.W.wrote on December 17th, 2008 at 5:01 pm Link To Comment | Reply To Comment

    It’s called a light gas gun:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_gas_gun

    It works more or less like you’ve got drawn, although as Billl mentions, there usually is a diaphragm to prevent hydrogen leaking prematurely; a valve wouldn’t be fast enough, and hydrogen tends to leak through all but the very best-constructed of valves anyhow.

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  2. Billllwrote on December 17th, 2008 at 2:37 pm Link To Comment | Reply To Comment

    The ones they have in Tennesee have a diaphragm between the big piston and the sabot, and the piston has a point on it to rupture the diaphragm when it gets all the way forward. The sabot can be anything that will support the weight of the device to be launched.It helps if you design the sabot and experiment in such a way as to prevent the experiment from sinking into the sabot, and failing to separate when launched.

    In Tenn. they were simulating things re-entering the atmosphere at 20+K Mph. The chamber they fired this into was pumped down to a near vacuum, and they took pictures of your experiment as it went by the small windows.

    The debris damage to the inside of the tunnel was fascinating to behold.

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  3. jdun1911wrote on December 17th, 2008 at 1:26 pm Link To Comment | Reply To Comment

    How small is the projectile and what is it made out off? It’s not lead because at that speed it will disintegrate once out of the barrel.

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    • Steveresponded to jdun1911 on December 17th, 2008 at 1:31 pm Link To Comment | Reply To Comment

      they don’t say. I wondered about that myself. It is saboted so there is no reason it could not be steel or iron.

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  1. R.A.W.wrote on December 17th, 2008 at 5:01 pm Link To Comment | Reply To Comment

    It’s called a light gas gun:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_gas_gun

    It works more or less like you’ve got drawn, although as Billl mentions, there usually is a diaphragm to prevent hydrogen leaking prematurely; a valve wouldn’t be fast enough, and hydrogen tends to leak through all but the very best-constructed of valves anyhow.

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  2. Billllwrote on December 17th, 2008 at 2:37 pm Link To Comment | Reply To Comment

    The ones they have in Tennesee have a diaphragm between the big piston and the sabot, and the piston has a point on it to rupture the diaphragm when it gets all the way forward. The sabot can be anything that will support the weight of the device to be launched.It helps if you design the sabot and experiment in such a way as to prevent the experiment from sinking into the sabot, and failing to separate when launched.

    In Tenn. they were simulating things re-entering the atmosphere at 20+K Mph. The chamber they fired this into was pumped down to a near vacuum, and they took pictures of your experiment as it went by the small windows.

    The debris damage to the inside of the tunnel was fascinating to behold.

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  3. jdun1911wrote on December 17th, 2008 at 1:26 pm Link To Comment | Reply To Comment

    How small is the projectile and what is it made out off? It’s not lead because at that speed it will disintegrate once out of the barrel.

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    • Steveresponded to jdun1911 on December 17th, 2008 at 1:31 pm Link To Comment | Reply To Comment

      they don’t say. I wondered about that myself. It is saboted so there is no reason it could not be steel or iron.

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