Comments on: List of possible M4 replacements http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/25/list-of-possible-m4-replacements/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:24:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jim Dougherty http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/25/list-of-possible-m4-replacements/comment-page-1/#comment-54930 Jim Dougherty Tue, 08 Feb 2011 15:27:07 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3399#comment-54930 It will be decided by lobbyists who pay the most to the selected congressmen that are in charge of the budget and oversight. Forget about keeping our troops safe. Congress has already proven itself corrupted and incompetent. Just look at our debt. It will be decided by lobbyists who pay the most to the selected congressmen that are in charge of the budget and oversight.
Forget about keeping our troops safe. Congress has already proven itself corrupted and incompetent. Just look at our debt.

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]]> By: Destroyer http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/25/list-of-possible-m4-replacements/comment-page-1/#comment-26769 Destroyer Wed, 17 Feb 2010 02:51:44 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3399#comment-26769 wehrwolfe, you need to re-read the sand and dust test. the XM8 plummeted the HK 416. it could have easily been adopted for the NATO rail system, though the project was cancelled: the number one reason is because it was drastically different than the original OICW contract. wehrwolfe, you need to re-read the sand and dust test. the XM8 plummeted the HK 416. it could have easily been adopted for the NATO rail system, though the project was cancelled: the number one reason is because it was drastically different than the original OICW contract.

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]]> By: Wehrwolfe http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/25/list-of-possible-m4-replacements/comment-page-1/#comment-23498 Wehrwolfe Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:38:41 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3399#comment-23498 I'm pretty sure the 416 outperformed the XM8 back in 2007. I was deployed at the time of the testing, and read the article in The Marine Corps Times. The HK416 had the least amount of stoppages, and beat out the XM8 (made by the same manufacturer). I personally think this factor was considered when HK dropped the XM8. They already had a badass Stoner-influenced weapon with a piston op system and fully modular, also in current use with the U.S. Army's ODA-D (Delta Force). Add to the fact that its synthetic plastic melted under full auto and it didnt do anything differently as the SCAR model had. The propietary hardware is also a big problem in today's military. Marine Corps and Army keep a backup line of lower recievers, bolt carrier groups, back up iron sights, buffer springs, etc for low echelon armory repair. With the HK propietary hardware, you cant interchange and fix the problem if it breaks. So if your XM8 shits the bed in a firefight, well....I guess you could use it to club someone. In my opinion, the XM8 looks fucking gay. I'm glad it got cancelled. I have no beef at all with futuristic weapons, but it looked a bit too sci-fi for my tastes, something out of a trekkie's wet dream. I would be one of those Marines extremely reluctant to hold that piece of shit. Out of the candidates to replace the M16 and M4 weapon systems, my money is on Magpul/Bushmaster/Remington MPD's contender, the ACR. I firmly believe in the ACR weapon system and its capabilities. I think it exceeds all requirements for the US armed forces and has the modularity for any mission, with its ability to change barrel lengths and calibers with its low-echelon required barrel trunnion system. I'm a loyal customer to the Magpul Industry. I carry 14 rifle magazines on my rig and 10 of them are Magpul P-Mags. The other 4 are GI issued that I modified with Magpul anti-tilt followers. Magpul is the most innovative firearm accesory manufacturer in the country, hands down. Their polymer components are rugged and durable. I personally hope the new battle rifle will be the awesome ACR. If you dont agree, YouTube the ACR. I’m pretty sure the 416 outperformed the XM8 back in 2007. I was deployed at the time of the testing, and read the article in The Marine Corps Times. The HK416 had the least amount of stoppages, and beat out the XM8 (made by the same manufacturer). I personally think this factor was considered when HK dropped the XM8. They already had a badass Stoner-influenced weapon with a piston op system and fully modular, also in current use with the U.S. Army’s ODA-D (Delta Force). Add to the fact that its synthetic plastic melted under full auto and it didnt do anything differently as the SCAR model had. The propietary hardware is also a big problem in today’s military. Marine Corps and Army keep a backup line of lower recievers, bolt carrier groups, back up iron sights, buffer springs, etc for low echelon armory repair. With the HK propietary hardware, you cant interchange and fix the problem if it breaks. So if your XM8 shits the bed in a firefight, well….I guess you could use it to club someone.

In my opinion, the XM8 looks fucking gay. I’m glad it got cancelled. I have no beef at all with futuristic weapons, but it looked a bit too sci-fi for my tastes, something out of a trekkie’s wet dream. I would be one of those Marines extremely reluctant to hold that piece of shit.

Out of the candidates to replace the M16 and M4 weapon systems, my money is on Magpul/Bushmaster/Remington MPD’s contender, the ACR. I firmly believe in the ACR weapon system and its capabilities. I think it exceeds all requirements for the US armed forces and has the modularity for any mission, with its ability to change barrel lengths and calibers with its low-echelon required barrel trunnion system. I’m a loyal customer to the Magpul Industry. I carry 14 rifle magazines on my rig and 10 of them are Magpul P-Mags. The other 4 are GI issued that I modified with Magpul anti-tilt followers. Magpul is the most innovative firearm accesory manufacturer in the country, hands down. Their polymer components are rugged and durable. I personally hope the new battle rifle will be the awesome ACR. If you dont agree, YouTube the ACR.

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]]> By: Robert http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/25/list-of-possible-m4-replacements/comment-page-1/#comment-20390 Robert Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:29:46 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3399#comment-20390 Any suggestion from experts out there: Which are the top 5 or 10 brands of AR-15 to buy for military/ LE use? Mil-spec only. I'm trying to decide which to consider to buy before we can't get them anymore due to tighter gun laws. Any suggestion from experts out there: Which are the top 5 or 10 brands of AR-15 to buy for military/ LE use? Mil-spec only. I’m trying to decide which to consider to buy before we can’t get them anymore due to tighter gun laws.

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]]> By: john danimath http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/25/list-of-possible-m4-replacements/comment-page-1/#comment-3677 john danimath Fri, 28 Nov 2008 04:01:31 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3399#comment-3677 I did not know that the Knight's SR15 is piston. I thought it was direct impingement. I did not know that the Knight’s SR15 is piston. I thought it was direct impingement.

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]]> By: Daniel E. Watters http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/25/list-of-possible-m4-replacements/comment-page-1/#comment-3664 Daniel E. Watters Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:45:55 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3399#comment-3664 Mind you, this was just a "show and tell" session, not a formal submission for testing. The US Army hasn't even written the formal requirements yet for any M4 carbine replacement. Mind you, this was just a “show and tell” session, not a formal submission for testing. The US Army hasn’t even written the formal requirements yet for any M4 carbine replacement.

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]]> By: jdun http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/25/list-of-possible-m4-replacements/comment-page-1/#comment-3660 jdun Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:36:59 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3399#comment-3660 The XM-8 melt under full auto. There were other problems like HK proprietary hardware. Its either the HK way or the highway and the US military didn't like that. The Scar program came out of it so US Special Force won't be force to use the POS. The XM-8 melt under full auto. There were other problems like HK proprietary hardware. Its either the HK way or the highway and the US military didn’t like that.

The Scar program came out of it so US Special Force won’t be force to use the POS.

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]]> By: 22lr http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/25/list-of-possible-m4-replacements/comment-page-1/#comment-3652 22lr Wed, 26 Nov 2008 01:46:33 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3399#comment-3652 Sig would be nice, but id bet money against it, they are to expensive for the brass. Sig would be nice, but id bet money against it, they are to expensive for the brass.

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]]> By: AndyB http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/25/list-of-possible-m4-replacements/comment-page-1/#comment-3647 AndyB Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:42:21 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3399#comment-3647 So the XM-8 is entirely out of the running? My understanding is that development is essentially complete and the weapon system was cancelled due to programmatic reasons, nothing technical. It also outperformed the competition in the sand/dust test earlier this year. So the XM-8 is entirely out of the running? My understanding is that development is essentially complete and the weapon system was cancelled due to programmatic reasons, nothing technical. It also outperformed the competition in the sand/dust test earlier this year.

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