Comments on: Insurgents using Chinese armor-piercing bullets http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/20/insurgents-using-chinese-armor-piercing-bullets/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:19:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Tapers http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/20/insurgents-using-chinese-armor-piercing-bullets/comment-page-1/#comment-72233 Tapers Sun, 25 Sep 2011 02:20:02 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3300#comment-72233 Im trying to make some bullet shaped tapers. Armored piercing bullets though is something I haven't heard of yet. Im trying to make some bullet shaped tapers. Armored piercing bullets though is something I haven’t heard of yet.

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]]> By: Ear Piercing http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/20/insurgents-using-chinese-armor-piercing-bullets/comment-page-1/#comment-54379 Ear Piercing Mon, 31 Jan 2011 07:56:53 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3300#comment-54379 Thanks for your posting and the other comments here. This is great and I learn something from reading the blog and the comments. Thank you guys for sharing. Looking forward to another blog post of yours Sir. Thanks for your posting and the other comments here. This is great and I learn something from reading the blog and the comments. Thank you guys for sharing. Looking forward to another blog post of yours Sir.

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]]> By: Dave http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/20/insurgents-using-chinese-armor-piercing-bullets/comment-page-1/#comment-29237 Dave Wed, 24 Mar 2010 00:31:31 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3300#comment-29237 JDUN, You are incorrect when saying that only bullets with a tungsten core are AP rounds. Although rounds with a steel nose, like m855 green tip, and some steel core rounds like the 5.45mm 7N10 are not AP, generally, what makes a round an AP is a tungsten or hardened steel core. Examples of steel core AP ammo are .30-06 AP and 5.45mm 7N22. Most modern AP rounds use tungsten because tungsten is a better penetrator than steel. JDUN,

You are incorrect when saying that only bullets with a tungsten core are AP rounds. Although rounds with a steel nose, like m855 green tip, and some steel core rounds like the 5.45mm 7N10 are not AP, generally, what makes a round an AP is a tungsten or hardened steel core. Examples of steel core AP ammo are .30-06 AP and 5.45mm 7N22. Most modern AP rounds use tungsten because tungsten is a better penetrator than steel.

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/20/insurgents-using-chinese-armor-piercing-bullets/comment-page-1/#comment-28897 Steve Thu, 18 Mar 2010 23:58:51 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3300#comment-28897 Dave, thanks, yep I just posted that to show the different bullets Dave, thanks, yep I just posted that to show the different bullets

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]]> By: Dave http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/20/insurgents-using-chinese-armor-piercing-bullets/comment-page-1/#comment-28889 Dave Thu, 18 Mar 2010 23:03:11 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3300#comment-28889 Steve, For the bullets that you showed, only M995 is an AP bullet. M885 is not an AP round, its more like an enhanced penetration FMJ round. M855 has better penetration than lead core FMJs but most Lv3 body armor can stop them. Tungsten cored bullets like M995 and M993 can penetrate most Lv4 body armor. SLAP rounds would have even better penetration than M995 or M993. Steve,

For the bullets that you showed, only M995 is an AP bullet. M885 is not an AP round, its more like an enhanced penetration FMJ round. M855 has better penetration than lead core FMJs but most Lv3 body armor can stop them. Tungsten cored bullets like M995 and M993 can penetrate most Lv4 body armor. SLAP rounds would have even better penetration than M995 or M993.

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]]> By: sayed arabysalem http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/20/insurgents-using-chinese-armor-piercing-bullets/comment-page-1/#comment-17606 sayed arabysalem Wed, 04 Nov 2009 09:45:49 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3300#comment-17606 bullet fired 7.62 penetration steel range thickness in chart bullet fired 7.62 penetration steel range thickness in chart

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]]> By: sayed arabysalem http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/20/insurgents-using-chinese-armor-piercing-bullets/comment-page-1/#comment-17605 sayed arabysalem Wed, 04 Nov 2009 09:27:49 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3300#comment-17605 penetration bullet type 7.62/51in steel wall --find thicness rang to became final velosity zero penetration bullet type 7.62/51in steel wall –find thicness rang to became final velosity zero

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]]> By: Shaft http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/20/insurgents-using-chinese-armor-piercing-bullets/comment-page-1/#comment-16478 Shaft Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:58:51 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3300#comment-16478 "The current ESAPI that the US military are using is rated to protect at least one 30-06 API round. " It's actually M2AP, STEEL core 30-06, no incendiary component in it. “The current ESAPI that the US military are using is rated to protect at least one 30-06 API round. “

It’s actually M2AP, STEEL core 30-06, no incendiary component in it.

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]]> By: Lance http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/20/insurgents-using-chinese-armor-piercing-bullets/comment-page-1/#comment-12083 Lance Wed, 15 Jul 2009 06:23:06 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3300#comment-12083 So why do we do business and buy military contracts with these Commies that arm tthe scum that kill our men?? So why do we do business and buy military contracts with these Commies that arm tthe scum that kill our men??

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]]> By: Pete http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/20/insurgents-using-chinese-armor-piercing-bullets/comment-page-1/#comment-4127 Pete Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:00:44 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3300#comment-4127 blah, silly reporting to uninformed worry wort do-gooders. Any of us can buy AP rounds on the white market here in the US, never mind the black market. Like jdun1911 says, they aren't exactly high tech. Insurgents using DU rounds would be something to worry about. Steel core penetrators are flat out common. Tungsten core 7.62x39 shouldn't be a prob for ESAPI plates if it even exists. Tungsten core 7.62x54R or .308 might be, but insurgent snipers are more likely to just go for head and armpit shots at <100yds like the Baghdad snipers. Nobody is surprised by Chinese copying US arms or munitions, they have been doing it for decades. Nice Pics jdun, I guess you could reuse the penetrator, you'd have to rejacket it obviously though - PITA blah, silly reporting to uninformed worry wort do-gooders. Any of us can buy AP rounds on the white market here in the US, never mind the black market. Like jdun1911 says, they aren’t exactly high tech. Insurgents using DU rounds would be something to worry about. Steel core penetrators are flat out common. Tungsten core 7.62×39 shouldn’t be a prob for ESAPI plates if it even exists. Tungsten core 7.62x54R or .308 might be, but insurgent snipers are more likely to just go for head and armpit shots at <100yds like the Baghdad snipers.
Nobody is surprised by Chinese copying US arms or munitions, they have been doing it for decades.
Nice Pics jdun, I guess you could reuse the penetrator, you’d have to rejacket it obviously though – PITA

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/20/insurgents-using-chinese-armor-piercing-bullets/comment-page-1/#comment-3541 Steve Thu, 20 Nov 2008 03:45:25 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3300#comment-3541 jdun1911, great photos! Thanks for posting them. jdun1911, great photos! Thanks for posting them.

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]]> By: jdun1911 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/20/insurgents-using-chinese-armor-piercing-bullets/comment-page-1/#comment-3539 jdun1911 Thu, 20 Nov 2008 03:15:18 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3300#comment-3539 Tungsten core bullet aren't new. They been around pre WWI or earlier. Every major countries have them in their stockpile. So for the life in me I don't understand what they mean by copy. Tungsten core bullet aren’t new. They been around pre WWI or earlier. Every major countries have them in their stockpile. So for the life in me I don’t understand what they mean by copy.

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]]> By: jdun1911 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/20/insurgents-using-chinese-armor-piercing-bullets/comment-page-1/#comment-3538 jdun1911 Thu, 20 Nov 2008 02:55:30 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3300#comment-3538 Here are the pictures. The AP round either penetrated or embed inside the steel platel without any deformity. Some of these pictures are over 10 years old. I did not take any of these pictures it was posted on gun boards over the years. http://rpginn.com/xgalleryx/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=37287&g2_serialNumber=1 http://rpginn.com/xgalleryx/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=37289&g2_serialNumber=1 http://rpginn.com/xgalleryx/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=37291&g2_serialNumber=1 http://rpginn.com/xgalleryx/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=37293&g2_serialNumber=1 http://rpginn.com/xgalleryx/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=37297&g2_serialNumber=1 http://rpginn.com/xgalleryx/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=37299&g2_serialNumber=1 This one I remember. The plate is M2 steel and the bullet is .50 cal. http://rpginn.com/xgalleryx/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=37295&g2_serialNumber=1 Here are the pictures. The AP round either penetrated or embed inside the steel platel without any deformity. Some of these pictures are over 10 years old. I did not take any of these pictures it was posted on gun boards over the years.

http://rpginn.com/xgalleryx/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=37287&g2_serialNumber=1
http://rpginn.com/xgalleryx/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=37289&g2_serialNumber=1
http://rpginn.com/xgalleryx/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=37291&g2_serialNumber=1
http://rpginn.com/xgalleryx/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=37293&g2_serialNumber=1
http://rpginn.com/xgalleryx/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=37297&g2_serialNumber=1
http://rpginn.com/xgalleryx/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=37299&g2_serialNumber=1

This one I remember. The plate is M2 steel and the bullet is .50 cal.
http://rpginn.com/xgalleryx/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=37295&g2_serialNumber=1

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]]> By: jdun http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/20/insurgents-using-chinese-armor-piercing-bullets/comment-page-1/#comment-3532 jdun Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:36:31 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3300#comment-3532 Pinnacle Armor is a piece of crap. It weighted more and offer less protection then the standard IBA that our troops are using. The CEO is being investigated for fraud. The US Army spend over $1,00,000 trying to defend themselves that their testing of pinnacle armor was flawed. As far as I know, the US military has cut all ties to Pinnacle Armor. The current ESAPI that the US military are using is rated to protect at least one 30-06 API round. Tungsten core is what make a small arms bullet AP. Steel, lead, and aluminum core are not AP. Tungsten are use because they have the highest melting point and tensile strength. In other worlds, when the tungsten bullet hit a hard object like steel it doesn't deform. It keep its shape. In fact you can reuse tungsten bullet if you want too. I have a few pictures where .50 cal AP embedded it self in hard still and the bullet is in prefect shape (no deformity). I'll try to post the pictures once I get home, if I can find them that is. Any ammo company or anybody can make AP with the right machine. It's not like its high tech or anything that require deep knowledge of ballistic. AP bullets use a different material at its core. So the reporter as usual has no idea what he/she is talking about. Pinnacle Armor is a piece of crap. It weighted more and offer less protection then the standard IBA that our troops are using. The CEO is being investigated for fraud. The US Army spend over $1,00,000 trying to defend themselves that their testing of pinnacle armor was flawed. As far as I know, the US military has cut all ties to Pinnacle Armor.

The current ESAPI that the US military are using is rated to protect at least one 30-06 API round.

Tungsten core is what make a small arms bullet AP. Steel, lead, and aluminum core are not AP. Tungsten are use because they have the highest melting point and tensile strength. In other worlds, when the tungsten bullet hit a hard object like steel it doesn’t deform. It keep its shape. In fact you can reuse tungsten bullet if you want too. I have a few pictures where .50 cal AP embedded it self in hard still and the bullet is in prefect shape (no deformity). I’ll try to post the pictures once I get home, if I can find them that is.

Any ammo company or anybody can make AP with the right machine. It’s not like its high tech or anything that require deep knowledge of ballistic. AP bullets use a different material at its core. So the reporter as usual has no idea what he/she is talking about.

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/20/insurgents-using-chinese-armor-piercing-bullets/comment-page-1/#comment-3527 Steve Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:47:54 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3300#comment-3527 Shane, thanks for the link. Shane, thanks for the link.

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]]> By: Shane http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/20/insurgents-using-chinese-armor-piercing-bullets/comment-page-1/#comment-3523 Shane Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:21:51 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3300#comment-3523 Pinnacle armor has a ballistic chart which puts M948 and M993 under Level V: http://www.pinnaclearmor.com/body-armor/ballistic-chart.php Pinnacle armor has a ballistic chart which puts M948 and M993 under Level V:
http://www.pinnaclearmor.com/body-armor/ballistic-chart.php

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