Comments on: The Turkish HK416: Mehmetçik-1 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/07/the-turkish-hk416-mehmetcik-1/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:24:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Sean Dillinger http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/07/the-turkish-hk416-mehmetcik-1/comment-page-1/#comment-81057 Sean Dillinger Tue, 20 Dec 2011 11:05:01 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3115#comment-81057 I would not be surprised to see the HK416 as the new US ARMY M4 replacement . It's a awesome weapon and needs to be cleaned 60% less and is great in water, mud, sand and never heats up. ARMY SF and Seals are already using it more than anything else. Heck even bin laden met the biz end of the HK416. I would not be surprised to see the HK416 as the new US ARMY M4 replacement . It’s a awesome weapon and needs to be cleaned 60% less and is great in water, mud, sand and never heats up. ARMY SF and Seals are already using it more than anything else. Heck even bin laden met the biz end of the HK416.

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]]> By: Ilgar Ö. Değirmenci http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/07/the-turkish-hk416-mehmetcik-1/comment-page-1/#comment-53005 Ilgar Ö. Değirmenci Tue, 18 Jan 2011 15:25:37 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3115#comment-53005 Dear Armand Project is already cancelled by undersecretariat. MKEK was planning to produce rifles without licensing ... TR Govt. cancelled the project because on press release MKEK officer's said the rifle is %100 Turkish in terms of design , which is a lie ...Army and Secratary wanted something orginal but we still waiting for the second rifle design Dear Armand

Project is already cancelled by undersecretariat. MKEK was planning to produce rifles without licensing … TR Govt. cancelled the project because on press release MKEK officer’s said the rifle is %100 Turkish in terms of design , which is a lie …Army and Secratary wanted something orginal but we still waiting for the second rifle design

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]]> By: Armand Heydarian http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/07/the-turkish-hk416-mehmetcik-1/comment-page-1/#comment-52464 Armand Heydarian Mon, 10 Jan 2011 21:24:15 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3115#comment-52464 Are these unlicensed copies? Are these unlicensed copies?

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]]> By: Pkekyo http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/07/the-turkish-hk416-mehmetcik-1/comment-page-1/#comment-46188 Pkekyo Wed, 03 Nov 2010 17:53:50 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3115#comment-46188 Hi Just figured I'd let you know - the HK416N is the version developed for the Norwegian Armed Forces. Amongst other things it features a very distinct 16.5" barrel with a bayonet lug. Hi

Just figured I’d let you know – the HK416N is the version developed for the Norwegian Armed Forces.

Amongst other things it features a very distinct 16.5″ barrel with a bayonet lug.

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]]> By: furies http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/07/the-turkish-hk416-mehmetcik-1/comment-page-1/#comment-36680 furies Tue, 22 Jun 2010 22:59:46 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3115#comment-36680 The little town of Oberndorf on the Neckar has been making the finest firearms in the world for over 150 years - call it Mauser Werkes or Heckler Koch or what have you...these people know metallurgy - using alloys and temperature variance to create precision on a quantum level - though, like the japanese sword-smiths, they weren't initially sure why the greatness occurred - these days...they know. The HK marketing department isn't that big. It does not have to be. They simply organize testing of their products which sell themselves. A separate firm creates the licensed logo "shwag" that moves so promptly on ebay - SOP for any company with govt contracts anywhere in the world The German mastery of creating metal characteristics is also reflected in the car industry, where they have consistently churned out stiffer chassis' than any other country by more than ten years of product - tight handling and safe + forgiving. Just like their guns - they easily make average shooters/drivers into comparatively better than than the competition, right out of the box/off the lot - it's what their massive engineering R&D is dedicated to. Mercedes just crash tested their 60,000th car - for what they cost and how their built it seems a shame. But it is the safest car in the world. I agree...what's your family's life worth? The little town of Oberndorf on the Neckar has been making the finest firearms in the world for over 150 years – call it Mauser Werkes or Heckler Koch or what have you…these people know metallurgy – using alloys and temperature variance to create precision on a quantum level – though, like the japanese sword-smiths, they weren’t initially sure why the greatness occurred – these days…they know.

The HK marketing department isn’t that big. It does not have to be. They simply organize testing of their products which sell themselves. A separate firm creates the licensed logo “shwag” that moves so promptly on ebay – SOP for any company with govt contracts anywhere in the world

The German mastery of creating metal characteristics is also reflected in the car industry, where they have consistently churned out stiffer chassis’ than any other country by more than ten years of product – tight handling and safe + forgiving. Just like their guns – they easily make average shooters/drivers into comparatively better than than the competition, right out of the box/off the lot – it’s what their massive engineering R&D is dedicated to.

Mercedes just crash tested their 60,000th car – for what they cost and how their built it seems a shame. But it is the safest car in the world.

I agree…what’s your family’s life worth?

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]]> By: Someone http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/07/the-turkish-hk416-mehmetcik-1/comment-page-1/#comment-36332 Someone Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:32:37 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3115#comment-36332 Official Turkish Statement : http://www.ssm.gov.tr/anasayfa/hizli/duyurular/PressReleases/Documents/MPT_basin_aciklamasi.pdf i sended an email to ssm(Secretary of defence) about 416 and the response is : We dont have any intrest anymore. Here's orginal text in turkish : Müsteşarlığımızca "Mehmetçik-1 (HK416) tüfekleri ile ilgili proje” yürütülmemektedir.Türk Silahlı Kuvvetlerinin yakın muharebe görevlerinde, gece ve gündüz, her türlü arazi ve hava şartlarında etkin, süratli ve sıhhatli ateş gücü sağlayacak 7,62 mm çapındaki tüfek ihtiyacının yurt içi geliştirme yoluyla karşılanmasına ilişkin olarak yürüttüğümüz projenin adı Modern Piyade Tüfeği (MPT) Projesi'dir. MPT Projesi kapsamında Tasarım ve Geliştirme Dönemi Sözleşmesi 22 Ocak 2009 tarihinde Makina ve Kimya Endüstrisi (MKE) Kurumu ile imzalanmıştır. Hâlihazırda tasarım ve geliştirme faaliyetleri devam ettiğinden, tüfeğin ağırlığı ve uzunluğu da dahil olmak üzere, herhangi bir teknik bilgi verilememektedir. Tasarım ve geliştirme faaliyetlerinin 2011 yılında tamamlanması ve bilahare seri üretim sözleşmesinin imzalanması planlanmaktadır. I am so lazy so here's google's translated version Undersecretariat of Treasury "(soldier -1) (HK416) projects related to guns" are not maintained. Turkish Armed Forces in close combat, night and day, all kinds of terrain and weather conditions efficient, rapid and healthy firepower to 7.62 mm in diameter of the gun needs to develop domestic As we run towards the project through the name of modern infantry rifles (MPT) Project. MPT Project Design and Development Contract Period January 22, 2009 on Mechanical and Chemical Industry (TCI) was signed with the Agency. Currently, the design and development is ongoing, the rifle's weight and length, including any technical information is not available. For the same reason it is not possible to post a picture of guns. Design and development activities to be completed in 2011 and later production contract It is planned to be signed. Official Turkish Statement :

http://www.ssm.gov.tr/anasayfa/hizli/duyurular/PressReleases/Documents/MPT_basin_aciklamasi.pdf

i sended an email to ssm(Secretary of defence) about 416 and the response is : We dont have any intrest anymore.

Here’s orginal text in turkish :

Müsteşarlığımızca “Mehmetçik-1 (HK416) tüfekleri ile ilgili proje” yürütülmemektedir.Türk Silahlı Kuvvetlerinin yakın muharebe görevlerinde, gece ve gündüz, her türlü arazi ve hava şartlarında etkin, süratli ve sıhhatli ateş gücü sağlayacak 7,62 mm çapındaki tüfek ihtiyacının yurt içi geliştirme yoluyla karşılanmasına ilişkin olarak yürüttüğümüz projenin adı Modern Piyade Tüfeği (MPT) Projesi’dir. MPT Projesi kapsamında Tasarım ve Geliştirme Dönemi Sözleşmesi 22 Ocak 2009 tarihinde Makina ve Kimya Endüstrisi (MKE) Kurumu ile imzalanmıştır. Hâlihazırda tasarım ve
geliştirme faaliyetleri devam ettiğinden, tüfeğin ağırlığı ve uzunluğu da dahil olmak üzere, herhangi
bir teknik bilgi verilememektedir.

Tasarım ve geliştirme faaliyetlerinin 2011 yılında tamamlanması ve bilahare seri üretim sözleşmesinin imzalanması planlanmaktadır.

I am so lazy so here’s google’s translated version

Undersecretariat of Treasury “(soldier -1) (HK416) projects related to guns” are not maintained.

Turkish

Armed Forces in close combat, night and day, all kinds of terrain and weather conditions

efficient, rapid and healthy firepower to 7.62 mm in diameter of the gun needs to develop domestic

As we run towards the project through the name of modern infantry rifles (MPT)

Project. MPT Project Design and Development Contract Period January 22, 2009

on Mechanical and Chemical Industry (TCI) was signed with the Agency. Currently, the design and

development is ongoing, the rifle’s weight and length, including any

technical information is not available. For the same reason it is not possible to post a picture of guns.

Design and development activities to be completed in 2011 and later production contract

It is planned to be signed.

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]]> By: S.O.C. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/07/the-turkish-hk416-mehmetcik-1/comment-page-1/#comment-36133 S.O.C. Fri, 11 Jun 2010 17:00:28 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3115#comment-36133 m.d I know about those solutions, but when I transfered to another department of the military I got new weapons. Like the Diemaco C8 SFW. We are also getting the new MP7 and Im looking forward to trying it out.. the best soluting with the freezing problem will be to change the bolt. the entire thing to the one that are in C8 since that dosnt freeze what ever u try but there is a problem with it. the C8 bolt gets warm when ur fire it on family mode. the problem there can be that the chamber can explode. But I heard that the HK416 had another problem. In 2nd Battalion (Norwegian Infentry Division) one HK went suddenly on family mode. I just heard that happen ones.. It was something with the changer ther broke and it suddenly went on family and puked out all the ammo.. luckly he pointed it on the boards other wise that could be ugly m.d
I know about those solutions, but when I transfered to another department of the military I got new weapons. Like the Diemaco C8 SFW. We are also getting the new MP7 and Im looking forward to trying it out..

the best soluting with the freezing problem will be to change the bolt. the entire thing to the one that are in C8 since that dosnt freeze what ever u try but there is a problem with it. the C8 bolt gets warm when ur fire it on family mode. the problem there can be that the chamber can explode. But I heard that the HK416 had another problem. In 2nd Battalion (Norwegian Infentry Division) one HK went suddenly on family mode. I just heard that happen ones.. It was something with the changer ther broke and it suddenly went on family and puked out all the ammo.. luckly he pointed it on the boards other wise that could be ugly

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/07/the-turkish-hk416-mehmetcik-1/comment-page-1/#comment-36026 Steve Thu, 10 Jun 2010 19:03:14 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3115#comment-36026 Someone, really? do you have a link to information about them dropping the rifle? Someone, really? do you have a link to information about them dropping the rifle?

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]]> By: Someone http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/07/the-turkish-hk416-mehmetcik-1/comment-page-1/#comment-35997 Someone Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:06:22 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3115#comment-35997 this project is dead as... dead by 2009. this project is dead as… dead by 2009.

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]]> By: m.d http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/07/the-turkish-hk416-mehmetcik-1/comment-page-1/#comment-35269 m.d Sun, 30 May 2010 22:39:46 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3115#comment-35269 S.O.C, what you say about the hk freezing in the cold is true. i have experienced it myself. But the problem isnt the gun itself. The problem occurs when snow gets in between the boltassembly(Norwegian: sluttstykke) and the upper reciever, and then, when you take your rifle in to a heated tent/vehicle/buliding, the snow melts---> water. go out in the cold again and after a while the water on the bolt assembly freezes stuck to the receiver. Solution: Remove the rear lock pin(the one that holds the upper and lower receiver togheter), open the gun, remove bolt assembly, whipe off water, insert bolt assembly, close the gun, insert rear pin again, load your weapon and you're ready to go. Whole procedure takes about 20 seconds. Another solution: Keep the bolt in the rear position until you're ready to engage targets, hit the forward release, and just like that, you're ready to fire. Third solution(maybe not the best one): If traveling on foot/ski's without vehicles, keep the weapons right outside the tent instead of bringing them inside. Result: snow doesen't melt = no water = no freezing stuck between the bolt assembly and receiver. Fourth solution: Be patient, the norwegian military is developing a new oil that supposedly removes that problem. Other than the freezing problem, I have had zero problems with my hk416. It's a superb weapon, and I'd take it over any DI rifle out there. S.O.C, what you say about the hk freezing in the cold is true. i have experienced it myself. But the problem isnt the gun itself. The problem occurs when snow gets in between the boltassembly(Norwegian: sluttstykke) and the upper reciever, and then, when you take your rifle in to a heated tent/vehicle/buliding, the snow melts—> water. go out in the cold again and after a while the water on the bolt assembly freezes stuck to the receiver.

Solution: Remove the rear lock pin(the one that holds the upper and lower receiver togheter), open the gun, remove bolt assembly, whipe off water, insert bolt assembly, close the gun, insert rear pin again, load your weapon and you’re ready to go.
Whole procedure takes about 20 seconds.

Another solution:

Keep the bolt in the rear position until you’re ready to engage targets, hit the forward release, and just like that, you’re ready to fire.

Third solution(maybe not the best one):
If traveling on foot/ski’s without vehicles, keep the weapons right outside the tent instead of bringing them inside. Result: snow doesen’t melt = no water = no freezing stuck between the bolt assembly and receiver.

Fourth solution:
Be patient, the norwegian military is developing a new oil that supposedly removes that problem.

Other than the freezing problem, I have had zero problems with my hk416.
It’s a superb weapon, and I’d take it over any DI rifle out there.

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]]> By: S.O.C. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/07/the-turkish-hk416-mehmetcik-1/comment-page-1/#comment-33593 S.O.C. Thu, 13 May 2010 18:39:32 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3115#comment-33593 hey Nalle the N stands for Norway. Btw in a battle between Diemaco C8 and HK 416, the C8 would own HK in CQB, Precission, accuracy, speed, endurance and also frost. yeah the HK dosnt stand the cold, the bolt freezes and u have to warm it up to use it again. no Im not kidding, used that bad excuse for a gun over a year and thank god I got the uppertunity to change it to Diemaco C8 hey Nalle the N stands for Norway.

Btw in a battle between Diemaco C8 and HK 416, the C8 would own HK in CQB, Precission, accuracy, speed, endurance and also frost. yeah the HK dosnt stand the cold, the bolt freezes and u have to warm it up to use it again. no Im not kidding, used that bad excuse for a gun over a year and thank god I got the uppertunity to change it to Diemaco C8

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]]> By: snmp http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/07/the-turkish-hk416-mehmetcik-1/comment-page-1/#comment-32828 snmp Thu, 06 May 2010 22:39:35 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3115#comment-32828 French MAS38, MAS40, MAS44 MAS49 & MAS 49/56 have DI without problem In Indochina, Algeria, and African small war . The Same for The AR10 (Build by Dutch) in Angloa & Mozambique War . French MAS38, MAS40, MAS44 MAS49 & MAS 49/56 have DI without problem In Indochina, Algeria, and African small war .

The Same for The AR10 (Build by Dutch) in Angloa & Mozambique War .

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]]> By: tippin http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/07/the-turkish-hk416-mehmetcik-1/comment-page-1/#comment-32522 tippin Tue, 04 May 2010 13:51:24 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3115#comment-32522 AK's jam just like anything else you know. No weapon is perfect. DI and M16/AR16 get a bad rap, they're perfectly good rifles. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo5WhVvtYak&feature=PlayList&p=575A6DF4568728A3&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=75 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8SSQ_wIG4o&feature=watch_response_rev http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5CQOvdYW6c AK’s jam just like anything else you know. No weapon is perfect. DI and M16/AR16 get a bad rap, they’re perfectly good rifles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo5WhVvtYak&feature=PlayList&p=575A6DF4568728A3&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=75

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8SSQ_wIG4o&feature=watch_response_rev

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5CQOvdYW6c

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]]> By: sully http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/07/the-turkish-hk416-mehmetcik-1/comment-page-1/#comment-29417 sully Fri, 26 Mar 2010 03:28:42 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3115#comment-29417 Judging by all the frustration on this forum with European and American produced weapon systems, I think Id opt for an AK variant any day with modern accessories, I think its a matter of time before Western armies get to that, like theyve done with the RPG. Judging by all the frustration on this forum with European and American produced weapon systems, I think Id opt for an AK variant any day with modern accessories, I think its a matter of time before Western armies get to that, like theyve done with the RPG.

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]]> By: Henry Bowman http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/07/the-turkish-hk416-mehmetcik-1/comment-page-1/#comment-13924 Henry Bowman Wed, 02 Sep 2009 17:44:03 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3115#comment-13924 What's with that grip at the front? From what detail is available in that photo, it looks like it's actually a full-size SA pistol in some sort of clamp/shroud. What’s with that grip at the front? From what detail is available in that photo, it looks like it’s actually a full-size SA pistol in some sort of clamp/shroud.

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]]> By: Nalle http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/07/the-turkish-hk416-mehmetcik-1/comment-page-1/#comment-13366 Nalle Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:33:14 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3115#comment-13366 The HK416N is used by Norwegian Army The HK416N is used by Norwegian Army

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]]> By: JJ http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/07/the-turkish-hk416-mehmetcik-1/comment-page-1/#comment-12280 JJ Sat, 18 Jul 2009 17:20:25 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3115#comment-12280 http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...03289/#updates From the looks from the link above, M-4 is inferior...period. Having to squirt oil every 2-700 rounds seems...inferior. No matter how accurate a gun is, if it doesn't go bang, its a tomato stake. Personally, reliability is the most important factor for me when purchasing a rifle. http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2003/jul/20/soldiers_of_ambushed/ Don't remember if you guys remember this, about the supply convoy getting ambushed in iraq and m-16's jamming. You know, if their job isn't primarily being behind the trigger, but stuck in a truck convoy for two days...they didn't have time to clean their weapons and subsequently their guns jammed. http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/…03289/#updates

From the looks from the link above, M-4 is inferior…period.

Having to squirt oil every 2-700 rounds seems…inferior. No matter how accurate a gun is, if it doesn’t go bang, its a tomato stake. Personally, reliability is the most important factor for me when purchasing a rifle.

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2003/jul/20/soldiers_of_ambushed/

Don’t remember if you guys remember this, about the supply convoy getting ambushed in iraq and m-16′s jamming. You know, if their job isn’t primarily being behind the trigger, but stuck in a truck convoy for two days…they didn’t have time to clean their weapons and subsequently their guns jammed.

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]]> By: subby http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/07/the-turkish-hk416-mehmetcik-1/comment-page-1/#comment-10759 subby Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:32:15 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3115#comment-10759 The other main advantage so far at least has been the m16's weight. If the rfb design proves reliable, and its .223 incarnation proves to just as light as the m4 then it would be a superior replacement for the current us military rifle. The other main advantage so far at least has been the m16′s weight.

If the rfb design proves reliable, and its .223 incarnation proves to just as light as the m4 then it would be a superior replacement for the current us military rifle.

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]]> By: igorfazlyev http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/07/the-turkish-hk416-mehmetcik-1/comment-page-1/#comment-10756 igorfazlyev Fri, 12 Jun 2009 06:44:40 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3115#comment-10756 The DI system needs more cleaning and lubing than the gas piston system to operate properly, otherwise it does jam more often, it's a fact and if you have a stoppage in the middle of a firefight it can be lethal. Minute advantages in accuracy are not that important if your rifle simply won't fire at the crucial moment. The DI system needs more cleaning and lubing than the gas piston system to operate properly, otherwise it does jam more often, it’s a fact and if you have a stoppage in the middle of a firefight it can be lethal. Minute advantages in accuracy are not that important if your rifle simply won’t fire at the crucial moment.

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]]> By: XxleoxX http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/07/the-turkish-hk416-mehmetcik-1/comment-page-1/#comment-10725 XxleoxX Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:07:57 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=3115#comment-10725 what scope is on that HK416? the one with the "important turkish guy" what scope is on that HK416? the one with the “important turkish guy”

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