Comments on: 30 Remington AR: New cartridge for the AR-15 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/10/14/30-remington-ar-new-cartridge-for-the-ar-15/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:19:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Royce Hayes http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/10/14/30-remington-ar-new-cartridge-for-the-ar-15/comment-page-1/#comment-75771 Royce Hayes Sun, 30 Oct 2011 18:59:01 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2844#comment-75771 Duh, for what purpose? Where is an advantege over anything else already offered. I have a .308 Remington 700VS and a DPMS Sportical 7.62 NATO. Don't need any .308 wanna be's. Plus the ammo costs two to three times as much for the RAR, and I have all the reloading equipment for .308. Duh, for what purpose? Where is an advantege over anything else already offered. I have a .308 Remington 700VS and a DPMS Sportical 7.62 NATO. Don’t need any .308 wanna be’s. Plus the ammo costs two to three times as much for the RAR, and I have all the reloading equipment for .308.

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]]> By: JamesD http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/10/14/30-remington-ar-new-cartridge-for-the-ar-15/comment-page-1/#comment-67122 JamesD Tue, 12 Jul 2011 02:05:00 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2844#comment-67122 I think the biggest advantage of the 30AR (as well as similar cartridges) is the ability to have 2 uppers, 1 capable of hunting deer/antelope and the other in .223 for smaller game or target shooting. For someone that prefers the AR platform this could be very attractive. It's also lighter than an AR-10/R25 by several lbs. My R25 is several lbs heavier than a conventional hunting rifle. I've finally seen some magazine reviews of the R-15/30 ('GUNS MAGAZINE' and 'THE COMPLETE RIFLEMAN') and it appears to work well out to at least 300 yards. According to 'THE COMPLETE RIFLEMAN': A 125 grain bullet from a 30 AR drops about the same as a 150 grain bullet from a .308 at 300 yards. A 150 grain bullet from a 30 AR drops about twice as much as from a .308 at 300 yards. Velocity and energy were listed as the same for the two at muzzle and 300 yards. Those velocities don't sound right to me at all. Same muzzle and terminal stats but twice the drop? Um... something about defying the laws of physics comes to mind. The article mentions taking antelope at 280 & 285 yards so 300+ yards would certainly be possible. If there are any serious flaws to the 30AR it's probably price and availability. MidwayUSA is listing 30AR uppers so you can definitely add a new upper to an existing AR... but for $800. A similar (20" flattop full floated barrel) AR-15 is $550 or less and even DPMS 308 uppers with stainless barrels are $519. And after a quick check of my local Cabelas and some other places for the rifle or ammo, neither could be found. I think the biggest advantage of the 30AR (as well as similar cartridges) is the ability to have 2 uppers, 1 capable of hunting deer/antelope and the other in .223 for smaller game or target shooting. For someone that prefers the AR platform this could be very attractive. It’s also lighter than an AR-10/R25 by several lbs. My R25 is several lbs heavier than a conventional hunting rifle.

I’ve finally seen some magazine reviews of the R-15/30 (‘GUNS MAGAZINE’ and ‘THE COMPLETE RIFLEMAN’) and it appears to work well out to at least 300 yards.

According to ‘THE COMPLETE RIFLEMAN’:

A 125 grain bullet from a 30 AR drops about the same as a 150 grain bullet from a .308 at 300 yards.

A 150 grain bullet from a 30 AR drops about twice as much as from a .308 at 300 yards. Velocity and energy were listed as the same for the two at muzzle and 300 yards.

Those velocities don’t sound right to me at all. Same muzzle and terminal stats but twice the drop? Um… something about defying the laws of physics comes to mind.

The article mentions taking antelope at 280 & 285 yards so 300+ yards would certainly be possible.

If there are any serious flaws to the 30AR it’s probably price and availability. MidwayUSA is listing 30AR uppers so you can definitely add a new upper to an existing AR… but for $800. A similar (20″ flattop full floated barrel) AR-15 is $550 or less and even DPMS 308 uppers with stainless barrels are $519.
And after a quick check of my local Cabelas and some other places for the rifle or ammo, neither could be found.

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]]> By: dollop of tennessee http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/10/14/30-remington-ar-new-cartridge-for-the-ar-15/comment-page-1/#comment-64895 dollop of tennessee Sun, 12 Jun 2011 07:25:30 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2844#comment-64895 I love this idea. A .30 caliber with some power behind it that fits the AR 15 size and weight platform. How could you go wrong with Remingtons latest offering? I don't think I could. Having just run the ballistics and trajectory of the 30 Remington AR in the latest 150 grain Core-Lokt on the computer, I think it will be absolutely perfect to use for deer, boar, and coyote hunting here in Tennessee out to the 250 yard mark if necessary. Semi-auto tested and proven platform, easy to carry, easy to maintain, easy optics mounting, powerful but not over-gunned, it has the hallmarks of a real winner. I am sold, and I am getting one. I love this idea.

A .30 caliber with some power behind it that fits the AR 15 size and weight platform. How could you go wrong with Remingtons latest offering? I don’t think I could.

Having just run the ballistics and trajectory of the 30 Remington AR in the latest 150 grain Core-Lokt on the computer, I think it will be absolutely perfect to use for deer, boar, and coyote hunting here in Tennessee out to the 250 yard mark if necessary.

Semi-auto tested and proven platform, easy to carry, easy to maintain, easy optics mounting, powerful but not over-gunned, it has the hallmarks of a real winner.

I am sold, and I am getting one.

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]]> By: Dad http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/10/14/30-remington-ar-new-cartridge-for-the-ar-15/comment-page-1/#comment-63712 Dad Thu, 26 May 2011 02:32:08 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2844#comment-63712 Interesting concept..........its been done before and what is the great advantage of the 30RAR over the 6.5 grendal or the 6.8spc. Now, I kinda like it, but I really wonder if someone could find a way to chamber the WSSM series in an AR-15 (or figure out a way to make the AR-10 styles a little lighter). Interesting concept……….its been done before and what is the great advantage of the 30RAR over the 6.5 grendal or the 6.8spc. Now, I kinda like it, but I really wonder if someone could find a way to chamber the WSSM series in an AR-15 (or figure out a way to make the AR-10 styles a little lighter).

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]]> By: Jared http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/10/14/30-remington-ar-new-cartridge-for-the-ar-15/comment-page-1/#comment-46416 Jared Sat, 06 Nov 2010 02:28:25 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2844#comment-46416 When are they going to start selling complete uppers?? I have been looking to get an AR for 3 reasons. Plinking, Deer Hunting, and Varmint hunting. Seems to me I could have it all with an AR in 223 for plinking and varmint hunting and an upper in 6.8 6.5Grendel or 30AR for deer hunting. I would probably be willing to spend $1000-$1500 on a AR-platform that would provide me the ability for all of these. Looks like I could get an Olympic Arms AR in 223 for fair price. I have no clue which upper I would want for deer though. My main concern is Ammo availability. 6.5 Grendel ammo is backed up for months 6.8 is not easy to find and I am not sure the 30AR will last. Not to mention I do not reload. I have seen that Olympic Arms upper for WSSM.25 and they seem like a possiblilty for deer hunting as well. 0-300 yards would be the longest shot I would ever shoot at a deer.but I would want the round to meet that standard. At the point I have no clue which Cartridge would be best for deer hunting and have the most ammo availability for years to come??? When are they going to start selling complete uppers?? I have been looking to get an AR for 3 reasons. Plinking, Deer Hunting, and Varmint hunting. Seems to me I could have it all with an AR in 223 for plinking and varmint hunting and an upper in 6.8 6.5Grendel or 30AR for deer hunting. I would probably be willing to spend $1000-$1500 on a AR-platform that would provide me the ability for all of these. Looks like I could get an Olympic Arms AR in 223 for fair price. I have no clue which upper I would want for deer though.
My main concern is Ammo availability. 6.5 Grendel ammo is backed up for months 6.8 is not easy to find and I am not sure the 30AR will last. Not to mention I do not reload. I have seen that Olympic Arms upper for WSSM.25 and they seem like a possiblilty for deer hunting as well. 0-300 yards would be the longest shot I would ever shoot at a deer.but I would want the round to meet that standard. At the point I have no clue which Cartridge would be best for deer hunting and have the most ammo availability for years to come???

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]]> By: Jason http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/10/14/30-remington-ar-new-cartridge-for-the-ar-15/comment-page-1/#comment-42343 Jason Thu, 09 Sep 2010 16:31:46 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2844#comment-42343 I like it but don,t see it taking off. The ar-15 platform balances MUCH nicer than the -25 does and carries better... bUT with only two companies selling it and only one decent hunting load available (rem now lists a 150 grain) I just don't see it taking off. As with most things rem, they have great ideas but no market savvy. For a compact rifle the saum family is superior to the wsm, but was poorly executed. The 30 rem is seperior to the 30-30, but poorly packaged. The 6 mm is better than the 243, but Winchester better thought things out. B/c of RENs ongoing marketing issue, this too will fail I like it but don,t see it taking off. The ar-15 platform balances MUCH nicer than the -25 does and carries better… bUT with only two companies selling it and only one decent hunting load available (rem now lists a 150 grain) I just don’t see it taking off. As with most things rem, they have great ideas but no market savvy.

For a compact rifle the saum family is superior to the wsm, but was poorly executed. The 30 rem is seperior to the 30-30, but poorly packaged. The 6 mm is better than the 243, but Winchester better thought things out.

B/c of RENs ongoing marketing issue, this too will fail

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]]> By: Tim Frankenstein http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/10/14/30-remington-ar-new-cartridge-for-the-ar-15/comment-page-1/#comment-37768 Tim Frankenstein Tue, 06 Jul 2010 04:27:34 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2844#comment-37768 Well I see I am a little late to put my two cents in, but i'm going to anyway. Those that said you would rather just buy an ar-10/ .308 I could'nt agree more. What you might be missing is some people (me) live in a state that only allow ar -15 rifles. So the 30 ar should do well here in the republic of Cal. Well I see I am a little late to put my two cents in, but i’m going to anyway. Those that said you would rather just buy an ar-10/ .308 I could’nt agree more. What you might be missing is some people (me) live in a state that only allow ar -15 rifles. So the 30 ar should do well here in the republic of Cal.

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]]> By: charles hardwick http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/10/14/30-remington-ar-new-cartridge-for-the-ar-15/comment-page-1/#comment-35481 charles hardwick Thu, 03 Jun 2010 20:30:54 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2844#comment-35481 i would like to see a 30 remington ar built in a 700 remington bolt action. i would like to see a 30 remington ar built in a 700 remington bolt action.

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]]> By: Bill Pita http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/10/14/30-remington-ar-new-cartridge-for-the-ar-15/comment-page-1/#comment-30068 Bill Pita Sat, 03 Apr 2010 04:33:49 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2844#comment-30068 The 30RAR? I don't see it taking off. I am a fan of the Large chassis ARs. ( AR-10,SR-25, LR308,ect.) DPMS makes them in several big game type calibers; 243win, 260Rem, 308win, 6.5 Creedmor, and for our friend Thor, the 338 Federal. Also easily made would be a 7mm-08. Give me a large chassis rifle anytime. I just don't see the use of a 30cal AR15, a least not for hunting or target shooting. sincerely, Billy The 30RAR? I don’t see it taking off.
I am a fan of the Large chassis ARs. ( AR-10,SR-25, LR308,ect.)
DPMS makes them in several big game type calibers; 243win, 260Rem, 308win, 6.5 Creedmor, and for our friend Thor, the 338 Federal.
Also easily made would be a 7mm-08.
Give me a large chassis rifle anytime.
I just don’t see the use of a 30cal AR15, a least not for hunting or target shooting. sincerely, Billy

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]]> By: Thor Odinson http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/10/14/30-remington-ar-new-cartridge-for-the-ar-15/comment-page-1/#comment-23241 Thor Odinson Tue, 05 Jan 2010 10:02:46 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2844#comment-23241 Just stumbled across this cartridge and maybe everyone has had their say. Personally I have other action rifles that I use for hunting--even a muzzleloader. I thought of getting an AR to hunt with and considered it for defense as well. I thought that an AR upper limited the length of the cartridge to that of .223 and maybe that might work on varmits but I was thinking elk or bear (as well as home invaders hyped up on drugs). So for multiple applications I considered the AR but to date have either found it in wimp calibers (see game above) or to large of calibers (.458 SOCOM and family). I would like something in the old .350 magnum. I don't like the belt on the .350 so figured maybe the .358 which is just a necked up .308 or maybe I should see if the 35 Remington would work. As a reloader maybe I can squeeze a little more out of these. I need to start with what most refer to as an AR10 these days. RRA has the .308 in what appears to be an AR15. In Loveland, CO an outfit called IronRidgeArms is trying to keep up with development and orders received since Obama started his scary tactics. The AR-15 (or AR-16) first came out with .308 at the beginning of trials. Be neat to have an upper that would have some punch (I'm of the Elmer Keith school and as a cop never relied on anything less that .357 mag or .45 auto). Then change out the upper for varmits and go that way too. Somebody please develop and AR in .35--I don't care about selling a million of them. With Hornady soft tip bullets maybe I can put a .35 Rem in a Mod 94 Winchester (I see those .356 and other strengthened actiions with tubular mags) I used a Mod 71 for years but had to sell it to pay some bills. Now I'm back looking. Any ideas? Thor Just stumbled across this cartridge and maybe everyone has had their say. Personally I have other action rifles that I use for hunting–even a muzzleloader. I thought of getting an AR to hunt with and considered it for defense as well.
I thought that an AR upper limited the length of the cartridge to that of .223 and maybe that might work on varmits but I was thinking elk or bear (as well as home invaders hyped up on drugs).

So for multiple applications I considered the AR but to date have either found it in wimp calibers (see game above) or to large of calibers (.458 SOCOM and family).

I would like something in the old .350 magnum. I don’t like the belt on the .350 so figured maybe the .358 which is just a necked up .308 or maybe I should see if the 35 Remington would work. As a reloader maybe I can squeeze a little more out of these. I need to start with what most refer to as an AR10 these days. RRA has the .308 in what appears to be an AR15. In Loveland, CO an outfit called IronRidgeArms is trying to keep up with development and orders received since Obama started his scary tactics. The AR-15 (or AR-16) first came out with .308 at the beginning of trials. Be neat to have an upper that would have some punch (I’m of the Elmer Keith school and as a cop never relied on anything less that .357 mag or .45 auto). Then change out the upper for varmits and go that way too.
Somebody please develop and AR in .35–I don’t care about selling a million of them. With Hornady soft tip bullets maybe I can put a .35 Rem in a Mod 94 Winchester (I see those .356 and other strengthened actiions with tubular mags) I used a Mod 71 for years but had to sell it to pay some bills. Now I’m back looking. Any ideas? Thor

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/10/14/30-remington-ar-new-cartridge-for-the-ar-15/comment-page-1/#comment-17559 Steve Tue, 03 Nov 2009 08:34:27 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2844#comment-17559 Fellas, this blog post is for discussion about the .30 AR, not if a AR-15 should be used for hunting. Any future offtopic comments will be deleted. Fellas, this blog post is for discussion about the .30 AR, not if a AR-15 should be used for hunting. Any future offtopic comments will be deleted.

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]]> By: Dean http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/10/14/30-remington-ar-new-cartridge-for-the-ar-15/comment-page-1/#comment-17558 Dean Tue, 03 Nov 2009 08:23:10 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2844#comment-17558 Jim W, Try acting your age, instead of your shoe size. Jim W,

Try acting your age, instead of your shoe size.

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]]> By: Jim W http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/10/14/30-remington-ar-new-cartridge-for-the-ar-15/comment-page-1/#comment-17521 Jim W Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:16:09 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2844#comment-17521 Dean is pretty obviously a fudd who doesn't like dem scurry black rifles. Ironic that he sees absolutely nothing wrong with 30-30 or the 30 Remington. These guys are the cancer that is killing the gun rights movement. Thank god they haven't succeeded in passing this mentality on to the next generation. I see this cartridge as occupying the same basic space as the 30 whisper and 6.8 SPC. Effective range versus deer or human size targets should be at least in the 400-500 yard range. 7.62x39 is good out to 200-300 yards and the 308 is good out to 600+, so I don't think 400 is a stretch at all. It should beat the pants off 5.56x45 for anything larger than groundhogs. Most deer hunters shoot at point blank range anyway (100 yards or under), so this is pretty much moot. My main gripe with this cartridge is that: -it fits single stack into 450 bushmaster mags. This pretty much kills it for any use other than deer hunting. -It isn't that much more powerful than 30 whisper or 6.8SPC to justify sacrificing 2/3rds of the magazine capacity. -The rifles that chamber it aren't that much lighter than an AR-10 to justify a specialty magazine and cartridge. And I'll bet the 30 RAR rifles weigh more than 6.8 SPC rifles. So basically this is just an expensive and oversized 6.8 SPC. Pass. Dean is pretty obviously a fudd who doesn’t like dem scurry black rifles. Ironic that he sees absolutely nothing wrong with 30-30 or the 30 Remington. These guys are the cancer that is killing the gun rights movement. Thank god they haven’t succeeded in passing this mentality on to the next generation.

I see this cartridge as occupying the same basic space as the 30 whisper and 6.8 SPC. Effective range versus deer or human size targets should be at least in the 400-500 yard range. 7.62×39 is good out to 200-300 yards and the 308 is good out to 600+, so I don’t think 400 is a stretch at all. It should beat the pants off 5.56×45 for anything larger than groundhogs. Most deer hunters shoot at point blank range anyway (100 yards or under), so this is pretty much moot.

My main gripe with this cartridge is that:
-it fits single stack into 450 bushmaster mags. This pretty much kills it for any use other than deer hunting.
-It isn’t that much more powerful than 30 whisper or 6.8SPC to justify sacrificing 2/3rds of the magazine capacity.
-The rifles that chamber it aren’t that much lighter than an AR-10 to justify a specialty magazine and cartridge. And I’ll bet the 30 RAR rifles weigh more than 6.8 SPC rifles.

So basically this is just an expensive and oversized 6.8 SPC. Pass.

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]]> By: Dean http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/10/14/30-remington-ar-new-cartridge-for-the-ar-15/comment-page-1/#comment-16510 Dean Sun, 18 Oct 2009 05:10:26 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2844#comment-16510 William Reich, Didn't that round begin a whole series of rounds known collectively as the "Bench Rest" or "BR" rounds, such as the 6.5mm BR or the 7mm BR? William Reich,

Didn’t that round begin a whole series of rounds known collectively as the “Bench Rest” or “BR” rounds, such as the 6.5mm BR or the 7mm BR?

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]]> By: William Reich http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/10/14/30-remington-ar-new-cartridge-for-the-ar-15/comment-page-1/#comment-16495 William Reich Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:12:34 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2844#comment-16495 The Remington 30 AR really isn't a new idea. In 1961 a cartridge developed by Frank C. Barnes known as the .308x1.5 inch. It is very similar to the Remington 30 AR cartridge. Weapons chambered for the 308x1.5 inch cartridge were submitted for testing by the U.S. Government, but nothing came out of the testing that we know of today except they were very accurate. More information on the 308x1.5 inch can be found in the book "Cartridges Of The World" and on the internet. Reloading dies are available from RCBS and other die manufactures. Chambering reamers are available also. This cartridge is almost 50 years old and there is life in it and its future. The Remington 30 AR really isn’t a new idea. In 1961 a cartridge developed by Frank C. Barnes known as the .308×1.5 inch. It is very similar to the Remington 30 AR cartridge. Weapons chambered for the 308×1.5 inch cartridge were submitted for testing by the U.S. Government, but nothing came out of the testing that we know of today except they were very accurate. More information on the 308×1.5 inch can be found in the book “Cartridges Of The World” and on the internet. Reloading dies are available from RCBS and other die manufactures. Chambering reamers are available also. This cartridge is almost 50 years old and there is life in it and its future.

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]]> By: Dean http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/10/14/30-remington-ar-new-cartridge-for-the-ar-15/comment-page-1/#comment-14821 Dean Mon, 21 Sep 2009 05:07:23 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2844#comment-14821 AR15Medic, Based on the info given at the beginning of this article, I'd say someone is trying to bridge the gap between the 7.62x39 and the .308 Winchester. Effective range will then, most likely be around 200 yards. AR15Medic,

Based on the info given at the beginning of this article, I’d say someone is trying to bridge the gap between the 7.62×39 and the .308 Winchester.
Effective range will then, most likely be around 200 yards.

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]]> By: AR15medic http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/10/14/30-remington-ar-new-cartridge-for-the-ar-15/comment-page-1/#comment-14813 AR15medic Mon, 21 Sep 2009 00:06:41 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2844#comment-14813 Sounds like a good in between round. I happen to love the 300 rem SAUM for large game and 700-800 yards. What is the distance of the new caliber? Sounds like a good in between round. I happen to love the 300 rem SAUM for large game and 700-800 yards. What is the distance of the new caliber?

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]]> By: BOB http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/10/14/30-remington-ar-new-cartridge-for-the-ar-15/comment-page-1/#comment-12402 BOB Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:20:48 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2844#comment-12402 the Remington although based on a AR15 is not an assult weapon. In fact the AR15 is not even a assult rifle. refering to it as one simply shows a Fudd mentality. the notion that only true hunters use bolt actions is misplaced. most current bolt actions are a take offs of the mauser action that was its self a military assult weapon of the day. you guys who shot Browning BAR,s, that is designed off of one of the most deadly machine guns ever built. Remingtons attempt to put a sporting round in one of the most commonly used and sold platforms in the country is a good thing. every Military person in the last 40 years has been trained on it. In the event that we are ever involved in a serious war Its a good thing that our youth are already shooting and hunting with a simular platform ahead of time. the AR it likely the number one selling center fire rifel in the USA. thousands of guys hunt with AR,s in several differant caliburs. The 6.5grendal, 6.8SPC, 30 RAR, 450 bushmaster, 458 SOCOM, and the 50 Beowulf all are suited for any deer in the USA. most ARs i have shot that are used for hunting shot 1" groups or better some much better. The new remington has no whistles or bells there is no flash supressor, lasers, bayonet lugs ect. it comes in cammo with a small cap Mag. So it has a pistol grip?? big deal its a hell of a lot easier to hold onto while climping in rocks and steep terrain were you might need to put hand out to grab some thing. Its a attitude that no one should hunt with these that divides gun owners. the statement who wants to hunt with a sniper rifle could just as easly apply to all your scoped bolt actions. I hunt with Bolts, SA,s , Levers, Pumps, Single shots, even a AK pistol. Im a hunter and what gun I use is based on what im hunting and were. Not how I look walking out of the woods usualy sucessfull. its 2009 not 1909 Guns change get over it. pistol grips dont take away from the experiance. If you follow varmit hunting at all you would know that many guys are now shooting AR,s and other SA rifles. it allows you to keep the target aquired after a shot your able to relax and not be on your elbows continuasly. the accuracy of these varmit set ups is as good or better than many bolt actions. My last trip to SD I saw more AR,s than any other gun combined. the new reminton round is better than a 30-30 and is right in the 300 savage range of power. Id like to see a 145 Grain or bigger factory load persoanly. Im not sure that the round will go any were but i comend them for trying. personaly for the money I would go with there AR 10 based offering in 260 remington or 308 winchester. the Remington although based on a AR15 is not an assult weapon. In fact the AR15 is not even a assult rifle. refering to it as one simply shows a Fudd mentality. the notion that only true hunters use bolt actions is misplaced. most current bolt actions are a take offs of the mauser action that was its self a military assult weapon of the day. you guys who shot Browning BAR,s, that is designed off of one of the most deadly machine guns ever built. Remingtons attempt to put a sporting round in one of the most commonly used and sold platforms in the country is a good thing. every Military person in the last 40 years has been trained on it. In the event that we are ever involved in a serious war Its a good thing that our youth are already shooting and hunting with a simular platform ahead of time. the AR it likely the number one selling center fire rifel in the USA. thousands of guys hunt with AR,s in several differant caliburs. The 6.5grendal, 6.8SPC, 30 RAR, 450 bushmaster, 458 SOCOM, and the 50 Beowulf all are suited for any deer in the USA. most ARs i have shot that are used for hunting shot 1″ groups or better some much better. The new remington has no whistles or bells there is no flash supressor, lasers, bayonet lugs ect. it comes in cammo with a small cap Mag. So it has a pistol grip?? big deal its a hell of a lot easier to hold onto while climping in rocks and steep terrain were you might need to put hand out to grab some thing.

Its a attitude that no one should hunt with these that divides gun owners. the statement who wants to hunt with a sniper rifle could just as easly apply to all your scoped bolt actions. I hunt with Bolts, SA,s , Levers, Pumps, Single shots, even a AK pistol. Im a hunter and what gun I use is based on what im hunting and were. Not how I look walking out of the woods usualy sucessfull. its 2009 not 1909 Guns change get over it. pistol grips dont take away from the experiance.

If you follow varmit hunting at all you would know that many guys are now shooting AR,s and other SA rifles. it allows you to keep the target aquired after a shot your able to relax and not be on your elbows continuasly. the accuracy of these varmit set ups is as good or better than many bolt actions. My last trip to SD I saw more AR,s than any other gun combined.

the new reminton round is better than a 30-30 and is right in the 300 savage range of power. Id like to see a 145 Grain or bigger factory load persoanly. Im not sure that the round will go any were but i comend them for trying. personaly for the money I would go with there AR 10 based offering in 260 remington or 308 winchester.

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]]> By: crimson30 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/10/14/30-remington-ar-new-cartridge-for-the-ar-15/comment-page-1/#comment-10990 crimson30 Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:50:18 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2844#comment-10990 260 RAR would be nice... 260 RAR would be nice…

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]]> By: Dean http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/10/14/30-remington-ar-new-cartridge-for-the-ar-15/comment-page-1/#comment-8977 Dean Sun, 26 Apr 2009 03:53:43 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2844#comment-8977 Jason, Back in the 1970's, a number of prominent gun writers decided to combine their acquired knowledge and do some research into which caliber was the best for all-around hunting and the conclusion was that 7mm was the winner. In the weights one normally encouters using 7mm ammo, it was shown that (overall) the 7mm caliber yielded the highest ballistic coefficient for the most sectional density. As the caliber got larger, ballistic coefficent was lost, although sectional density increased. As the caliber got smaller, they noticed the opposite to be true. I guess the Spanish had it right all along. ...and again, I ask - who wants to go hunting with an assault rifle? Jason,

Back in the 1970′s, a number of prominent gun writers decided to combine their acquired knowledge and do some research into which caliber was the best for all-around hunting and the conclusion was that 7mm was the winner.
In the weights one normally encouters using 7mm ammo, it was shown that (overall) the 7mm caliber yielded the highest ballistic coefficient for the most sectional density.
As the caliber got larger, ballistic coefficent was lost, although sectional density increased.
As the caliber got smaller, they noticed the opposite to be true.
I guess the Spanish had it right all along.

…and again, I ask – who wants to go hunting with an assault rifle?

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