Comments on: Bullpup M14: “M4 Size, M14 power”

By: Kevin

Kevin — Sat, 14 Jan 2012 10:17:28 +0000

1st picture (Courtesy: Different) of the new Gen IV SRSS

http://www.athenswater.com/images/Gen4SRSS.jpg

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By: Kevin

Kevin — Sat, 19 Nov 2011 12:05:46 +0000

Now on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pages/H2Os-Rogue-M14/187738927978269

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By: Kevin

Kevin — Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:39:52 +0000

If you decide to purchase a Rogue chassis stock from JTac’s web site, please mention H2O MAN.
Thanks!

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By: Kevin

Kevin — Wed, 16 Nov 2011 18:54:48 +0000

The Rogue chassis from JTac is fine as is… good to go right out of the box.

My Rogue modifications & upgrades reflect my personal wants, needs and quite a bit of experimentation.

I just can’t leave well enough alone and enjoy modifying, enhancing and upgrading what I have.

Once again – my modifications & upgrades are not necessary for the factory Rogue chassis to perform as advertised.

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By: Kevin

Kevin — Thu, 03 Nov 2011 21:39:28 +0000

My bullpup M14 conversion continues to evolve…

Configurations that I have tried:

I have used the my Mod 1 type SEI barreled action in this chassis, it has a light weight 18″ barrel.
I have used the my Mod 0 type SEI barreled action in this chassis, it has a sub MOA medium heavy weight 18″ barrel.
* The overall length of any 18.0″ barreled action equipped with a DC Vortex is 28.25″ in this chassis.
I have tried the Magpul AFG, Grip-pod, Tango down and Atlas bipods.
I tried TROY Micro folding battle sights… they are too short for this application.
The 29″ Blackhawk Homeland Security Discreet Case and 7.62mm hook &
loop 3 mag shingle that I purchased separately are perfect.

Optics:

I tried an XR308 from EOTech and a Leupold Mark 4 1.5-5x20mm MR/T with an offset MRDS.
* The offset MRDS is a total waste of time on this chassis, but it is awesome on my SAGE EBRs

Modifications/Changes:

My first modification:

In an effort to improve the feel and usefulness of the factory trigger
pad I used the outline of my M14HDW.US V2 EBR trigger shoe and a file to
reshape the original trigger pad.
I was somewhat successful, but it could be better.

* Soon after I informed the manufacturer that I had modified my trigger
pad they quickly found a reason to initiate product improvement #2 and
lowered the trigger pad… I don’t know if they have rounded off the
sharp bottom edge though because the manufacturer is dragging there feet
about sending me some new replacement trigger pads

* Also, I complied with an earlier request to distributors by the
manufacturer to swap out the rear brackets for new ones to solve some
fitment issues – mine fit fine, but I replaced it and the brackets on
stocks I have in inventory. This was product improvement #1 and it went
smoothly.

The next modifications:

After I addressed the trigger pad I focused my attention on mag changes.

I had a SADLAK tactical mag release installed.
IMHO, this is a must have item for all owners of this chassis…
reaching back and behind the mag body to release the mag is much easier
with the SADLAK part.
I also replaced the original pistol grip with a Magpul MIAD.
I have large hands and the grip change provides me with a bit more room to rock the mags in and out of the receiver.

More changes:

The CQB-16 barreled action that SEI built for me earlier this year is
now in my bullpup M14 chassis. It has a 16.25″ light weight barrel.
* The overall length of any 16.25″ barrel equipped with a DC Vortex or Comp is 27.75″ in this chassis.

Bullpup CQB-16 optics:

I am currently using the following mix of sighting kit.
Magpul MBUS – Gen II, LaRue Tactical LT608, Aimpoint CompC-2X 2MOA, EOTech FTS 3X magnifier – Gen II.
* The MBUS required some work with a file to fit… this was an easy modification.

Stay tuned, this compact blaster is growing on me fast and I have
completed additional modifications plus I’m currently working on more
modifications & upgrades for this chassis.

- H2O MAN

* I own several M14s with SAGE EBRs being my favorite and I understand
that it’s an odd niche that would ever consider converting an M14/M1A
into a bullpup.

Let me know if you fit into that odd niche, maybe I can help.

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By: Kevin

Kevin — Tue, 13 Sep 2011 21:11:25 +0000

Rogue accuracy:

I’m not comfortable firing from a bench and that’s probably why one round is pulled way off to the right.

http://www.athenswater.com/images/Rogue-Group.JPG

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By: Kevin

Kevin — Thu, 25 Aug 2011 21:29:33 +0000

Featured on Soldier Systems

http://soldiersystems.net/2011/08/25/rogue-m14-bullpup-stock/

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By: Kevin

Kevin — Tue, 16 Aug 2011 12:16:54 +0000

Kel-Tec RFB… I’m not really interested in a rifle that nobody makes new mags for.

Brand new CMI/USGI M14 mags are available from many sources.

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By: John Gregory

John Gregory — Thu, 11 Aug 2011 23:26:23 +0000

Then there’s the Kel-Tec RFB in .308 Winchester. A bullpup that spits the empties out the nose, which with its ambi controls makes it equally good for us lefties and you righties. Suppressed and using subsonic frangible ammo, this might be home defense heaven.
Just sayin’…

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By: Kevin

Kevin — Sun, 31 Jul 2011 22:26:23 +0000

Rogue M14 Bullpup video ~ Suppressed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UioP2EtnYds&feature=player_embedded

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By: Kevin

Kevin — Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:09:17 +0000

My bullpup chassis will be hand delivered this Sunday… it’s not an SRSS, it’s much better.

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By: Kevin

Kevin — Sun, 26 Jun 2011 13:29:51 +0000

I plan to install one of my 18.0″ MK14 actions or possibly my 16.25″ CQB action in a new and improved SRSS when they become available later this year. I’m looking forward to trying it out and comparing it to my SAGE EBRs.

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By: charles222

charles222 — Fri, 17 Dec 2010 05:40:35 +0000

And Mr. Conway: Feel free to ask the thousands of dead insurgents from Fallujah how well their AK-47s protected them against Marines and soldiers with M16s and M4s.

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By: charles222

charles222 — Fri, 17 Dec 2010 05:39:00 +0000

Just to point out-you can shorten a 7.62mm weapons’ barrel all the way to 16 inches and not run into significant loss of velocity.

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By: Donald C.A Watson

Donald C.A Watson — Sat, 14 Aug 2010 07:52:07 +0000

This is a very interesting article with some very serious comments.

Just so people know TCI-Technical Consultants International Ltd is still producing the M89-SR but is planning to move the manufacturing to Europe next year.

Donald C.A Watson,
Diretor.

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By: Tony Williams

Tony Williams — Mon, 02 Aug 2010 15:14:28 +0000

If you want to read an analysis of the pros and cons of bullpups and some ideas about how their weaknesses can be addressed, it’s here: http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/bullpups.htm

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By: Dave

Dave — Thu, 29 Jul 2010 19:02:02 +0000

JDUN1911,

Both the SAR-21 and Tavor have designs that prevent injuries in case of a chamber explosion. SAR-21 has an overpressure vent and kevlar cheek plate.

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By: Don greene

Don greene — Mon, 05 Apr 2010 02:17:39 +0000

The word infidel mean you do not believe in Christ Jesus. not the other way around. but look it up to make sure. The knights of the crusader were not known as infidals

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By: Michael Conway

Michael Conway — Fri, 26 Feb 2010 05:24:43 +0000

The power of the M-14 demands it be in service, but the length of it and the weight is what got it replaced in Nam. I think that a GOOD bullpup is the best key to it’s servival.No one wants to face an AK with a M-16 , you need a much robust round to stand your ground {take Beruit}

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By: Kenneth Hall

Kenneth Hall — Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:34:09 +0000

I love the concept but it still is short in other areas. Pardon the pun.
If any stock system isn’t designed to make the action more accuracy by controlling barrel warping, whipping and rotation.
It must also maintain consistency in the relation ship between the barrel and optic so shot placement is consistent from cold to Hot bore and in Cold and Hot environments.
Absorb Recoil, Harmonics, and create a delay in the felt recoil so you are not moved off target while the bullet is traveling down the barrel.
Allow the placement of rails, studs, sling swivels, fore grips or forward trigger for bull pump style or back for traditional style. Come in multiple colors and camo patterns.
Custom built for those who want with matching painted and nitride Mag’s, any AR buttstock or grip.

Now you’ve got a short version of a SUB MOA shooting M1A with standard GI barrel that you can switch back to traditional adjustable length.
Your AR can’t even do that!

That is the VIRON GEN 5 STOCK FOR THE M1A/M14/SCOUT/SOCOM.

Mini14 version coming soon.

A shorter stock that’s not short on what you really need!

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