Comments on: Polish “Neon” 5.56mm and 25mm / 40mm weapon http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/09/12/polish-neon-556mm-and-25mm-40mm-weapon/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:19:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: M! http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/09/12/polish-neon-556mm-and-25mm-40mm-weapon/comment-page-1/#comment-61765 M! Sun, 01 May 2011 14:32:06 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2596#comment-61765 @Tony I found a short note about this in a military magazine "Nowa Technika Wojskowa" (= New Military Technology) - in short, the weapon is aparently still in early development, will be ready in circa 10 years (!) due to low funding, so all specs are subject of change, including caliber. But it's very unlikely that ZW Dezamet (name of manufacturer is a single solid fact in this program), which is also manufacturer of vide array of amunition, including 40 mm NATO HV/LV grenades of various type, will be using old russian design which they never produced themselves. In 6 pages of article about new rifles, only few sentences were about this design. Sorry for crushing you hopes, last month it looked to me like something much more serious . On the bright side, sniper rifles and especialy MSBS, our new modular assualt rifle, looks promising and almost finished. They also look cool, much like SCAR family. It will be first 100% polish rifle design after 70 years and departure from using AK derivatives. You should also know that polish military is currently overstretched in Afganistan and on very low budget. Polish minister of defence is pacifist (yes!!! he almost admited it himself on TV) and military is full of coruption. For example creator and first commander of Special Forces left Army - he couldn't stand the atmosphere. Did you know that in aircraft crashes, all during minister Klich's reign, we lost more generals than during all WW2? Never in last 60 years Army was that weak... @Tony
I found a short note about this in a military magazine “Nowa Technika Wojskowa” (= New Military Technology) – in short, the weapon is aparently still in early development, will be ready in circa 10 years (!) due to low funding, so all specs are subject of change, including caliber. But it’s very unlikely that ZW Dezamet (name of manufacturer is a single solid fact in this program), which is also manufacturer of vide array of amunition, including 40 mm NATO HV/LV grenades of various type, will be using old russian design which they never produced themselves. In 6 pages of article about new rifles, only few sentences were about this design.
Sorry for crushing you hopes, last month it looked to me like something much more serious . On the bright side, sniper rifles and especialy MSBS, our new modular assualt rifle, looks promising and almost finished. They also look cool, much like SCAR family. It will be first 100% polish rifle design after 70 years and departure from using AK derivatives.

You should also know that polish military is currently overstretched in Afganistan and on very low budget. Polish minister of defence is pacifist (yes!!! he almost admited it himself on TV) and military is full of coruption. For example creator and first commander of Special Forces left Army – he couldn’t stand the atmosphere. Did you know that in aircraft crashes, all during minister Klich’s reign, we lost more generals than during all WW2? Never in last 60 years Army was that weak…

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]]> By: Tony Williams http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/09/12/polish-neon-556mm-and-25mm-40mm-weapon/comment-page-1/#comment-61204 Tony Williams Mon, 25 Apr 2011 10:27:36 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2596#comment-61204 @M! Will the SLEG-30 be based on 30x29B VOG-17 ammo, like the Czech RAG-30? I could see that being able to use cheap VOG-17 ammo as well as the fancy airburst stuff would be a good selling point - but recoil would be high. @M!

Will the SLEG-30 be based on 30x29B VOG-17 ammo, like the Czech RAG-30?

I could see that being able to use cheap VOG-17 ammo as well as the fancy airburst stuff would be a good selling point – but recoil would be high.

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]]> By: Steve (The Firearm Blog) http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/09/12/polish-neon-556mm-and-25mm-40mm-weapon/comment-page-1/#comment-58165 Steve (The Firearm Blog) Fri, 18 Mar 2011 06:14:25 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2596#comment-58165 M!, thanks for the link. M!, thanks for the link.

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]]> By: M! http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/09/12/polish-neon-556mm-and-25mm-40mm-weapon/comment-page-1/#comment-58108 M! Thu, 17 Mar 2011 08:26:53 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2596#comment-58108 There (http://www.altair.com.pl/start-5372) is a little bit about followup of that "Neon" design: ZW Dezamet abbandoned OICW design (after tests stated that it's too bulky ) and "are finishing first prototypes" of something veeeeery simmilar to XM-25 design, called SLEG-30, in 30 mm calibre and 500 m range. There is info that they are working on a "smart" 30 mm ammunition since 2008. On paper it looks way better than Korean weapon and, if fundings are available, is within capabilities. I believe that larger ammo (30 mm vs 25 mm) is more economical, since most cost is fuse. Sadly, that is almost all info about those weapons available online, most of the pictures are 3D models - manufacturer claims its because of secrecy. Interesting design is also MSBS-5,56 which IMO looks realy badass (like SCAR) and is currently tested in both designs: bullpup for personal defence and classic for other uses. Here is a grenade luncher for it: http://www.altair.com.pl/start-5408 All above are connected to landwariorish project called "Tytan", still in development. There (http://www.altair.com.pl/start-5372) is a little bit about followup of that “Neon” design: ZW Dezamet abbandoned OICW design (after tests stated that it’s too bulky ) and “are finishing first prototypes” of something veeeeery simmilar to XM-25 design, called SLEG-30, in 30 mm calibre and 500 m range. There is info that they are working on a “smart” 30 mm ammunition since 2008. On paper it looks way better than Korean weapon and, if fundings are available, is within capabilities. I believe that larger ammo (30 mm vs 25 mm) is more economical, since most cost is fuse.
Sadly, that is almost all info about those weapons available online, most of the pictures are 3D models – manufacturer claims its because of secrecy.

Interesting design is also MSBS-5,56 which IMO looks realy badass (like SCAR) and is currently tested in both designs: bullpup for personal defence and classic for other uses. Here is a grenade luncher for it: http://www.altair.com.pl/start-5408

All above are connected to landwariorish project called “Tytan”, still in development.

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]]> By: MibZ http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/09/12/polish-neon-556mm-and-25mm-40mm-weapon/comment-page-1/#comment-58010 MibZ Wed, 16 Mar 2011 06:51:04 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2596#comment-58010 Interesting. Once again bulky, unwieldy, and impractical. I'd love to have it in a pinch, but the complexity of the weapon likely means by the time that pinch comes it will see mechanical problems and need repairs... I doubt any of these projects will be successful within the next 20 years. Interesting. Once again bulky, unwieldy, and impractical. I’d love to have it in a pinch, but the complexity of the weapon likely means by the time that pinch comes it will see mechanical problems and need repairs…

I doubt any of these projects will be successful within the next 20 years.

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]]> By: Some Guy http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/09/12/polish-neon-556mm-and-25mm-40mm-weapon/comment-page-1/#comment-57994 Some Guy Wed, 16 Mar 2011 02:05:49 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2596#comment-57994 Hopefully, one of these will succeed and do a good job. Cause the potential is there. Hopefully, one of these will succeed and do a good job.

Cause the potential is there.

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]]> By: woodfiend http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/09/12/polish-neon-556mm-and-25mm-40mm-weapon/comment-page-1/#comment-9340 woodfiend Fri, 08 May 2009 02:11:11 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2596#comment-9340 Hmmmmm.........another waste of money. Hmmmmm………another waste of money.

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/09/12/polish-neon-556mm-and-25mm-40mm-weapon/comment-page-1/#comment-3205 Steve Sat, 25 Oct 2008 11:27:01 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2596#comment-3205 Wosiu, thanks for the info Wosiu, thanks for the info

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]]> By: Wosiu http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/09/12/polish-neon-556mm-and-25mm-40mm-weapon/comment-page-1/#comment-3204 Wosiu Sat, 25 Oct 2008 10:24:10 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2596#comment-3204 Jcamelo comment is total bullshit. Neon in Polish is the same as in English: neon light, neon bulb, neon lamp etc. Yes, there are now in Poland project of combined grenade launcher /assault rifle system under code name "Neon". The assault rifle part will be based on Mini-Beryl shortened assault rifle. Grenade launcher part will be most probably based on previous Polish handheld automatic grenade launcher projects llike Pallad M - very few know, that Poland is worldwide leader in projects of handheld automatic grenadle launchers cal. 40 mm, there were prototypes as sonn as 80`: http://www.militech.sownet.pl/plxxi/xxi_pall.html Grenade launcher is examined in optional calibres: 23 mm, 25 mm and 40 mm (low and medium velocity) but there are no intention to change caliber in the same weapon. Programmed air-bursting ammunition in cal. 40 mm is in final stage of development. Jcamelo comment is total bullshit. Neon in Polish is the same as in English: neon light, neon bulb, neon lamp etc.

Yes, there are now in Poland project of combined grenade launcher /assault rifle system under code name “Neon”. The assault rifle part will be based on Mini-Beryl shortened assault rifle. Grenade launcher part will be most probably based on previous Polish handheld automatic grenade launcher projects llike Pallad M – very few know, that Poland is worldwide leader in projects of handheld automatic grenadle launchers cal. 40 mm, there were prototypes as sonn as 80`:
http://www.militech.sownet.pl/plxxi/xxi_pall.html

Grenade launcher is examined in optional calibres: 23 mm, 25 mm and 40 mm (low and medium velocity) but there are no intention to change caliber in the same weapon. Programmed air-bursting ammunition in cal. 40 mm is in final stage of development.

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]]> By: Jcamelo http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/09/12/polish-neon-556mm-and-25mm-40mm-weapon/comment-page-1/#comment-3167 Jcamelo Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:48:05 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2596#comment-3167 "Polish Neon" is actually translated to "no man" as in "no mans gun". (I was jk) “Polish Neon” is actually translated to “no man” as in “no mans gun”.

(I was jk)

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]]> By: Roys http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/09/12/polish-neon-556mm-and-25mm-40mm-weapon/comment-page-1/#comment-2825 Roys Sat, 13 Sep 2008 12:29:26 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2596#comment-2825 There's some info of the Swedish and Singaporean projects from this PDF at <a href="http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2004arms/session3/arvidsson.pdf" rel="nofollow">dtic.mil</A>. There’s some info of the Swedish and Singaporean projects from this PDF at dtic.mil.

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]]> By: jdun1911 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/09/12/polish-neon-556mm-and-25mm-40mm-weapon/comment-page-1/#comment-2824 jdun1911 Sat, 13 Sep 2008 04:36:24 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2596#comment-2824 OICW = money sink. OICW = money sink.

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