Being Chinese myself, I know one of two things that ring true about the Chinese. They jump at any opportunity and distrust foreigners. And just like that you can try this weapon along with numerous other European/US/Russian weapons through a Chinese tour aimed at gun enthusiasts (no pun intended). But at the same time they refuse to let you take a used cartridge or two, touch anything without their permission first and watch you like a hawk.

Whether we like to admit it or not, we are indirectly contributing to an enlargement of their military and global influence by buying their weapons and many other goods. And I for certain do not want them to eclipse the US/EU, like many predict and start influencing the world for their benefit but to the detriment of others.

They view everything as an opportunity regardless of the implications. You need not look at further than Sudan, Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe, DPR Congo, Burma (Myanmar), North Korea and the list goes on. These countries are all provided the bulk of their weapons and training from China. Yet they are all in the news for reasons we prefer did not happen.

I hope no english fluent Norinco employees are reading this blog, they must be rubbing their hands with glee, right about now.

Hopefully I did not come across patronising or offensive. That was not my intention. I simply hope people consider the ethical implications of their choices. It is sometimes not brought to everyones attention. Even though the gun laws seem restrictive. I am appreciative to have been born in a “western” country and as such like paying my taxes each year, knowing that my government does care about what I think. Remember we may not have all of these luxaries in the future if China is able to take more from the ever shrinking global resource pile that we all share.

The rail system is already available for sale in Canada. anyone can buy it.
Thanks anyways.

The M4 Carbine by Norinco is a good gun, as are any newly produced Norinco guns (older ones had quality issues some say, such as the older sks). The only problem is the M4 of any type can not compete with the Type 97 at all, in terms of reliablity. I looked at some USA “stress test” stastics on the M4 and it failed horribly in dust with many stopages. What with its short barell Im sure the accuracy of a long bullpup style barell is much better. The type 97 is also not a copy but a primary production of Norinco, used by the Chinese military. It has great all cliamate reliablity and incorperates more modern technology then the older M16 platform rifles (M4).

Anyway the Norinco M4 may be a good M4 but the Type 97 is a superior choice, imo.

Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 3:40 PM
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>>yes, eventually. it is looking more like court, so could be 2-3
>>years, but who knows at this point.
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>>Chris
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>>At Monday 11:31 AM 17/08/2009, you wrote:
>>>Any word on the Type 97s?
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>>>Its not a matter of “if” but “when” right?
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>>>Shannon
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lets stay on topic, and maybe try to help figure out how to get or rifles released, as they are sitting with the RCMP collecting dust.

If they were prohibited, they would have been sent back long ago, we need to keep fighting to get our rifles, it sucks waiting, but will all be worth while when your firing off your T-97 !

Beyond the whole gun issue for a second, just take a look around at all the problems we have in the world right now. 1) China is the worlds new superpower, 2) USA owes itself to China, 3) Markets have crashed all over the world, and despite the quieting down of news coverage on this crisis, it is still very real, and things aren’t getting that much better. Just look at your investments for proof. They tried fixing the problem with more money that they didn’t have, a very classy and typical act by american politicians, closely followed by canadian politicians. 4) people the earth is getting hotter and hotter as the glaciers both north and south of us are melting more and more. Im not a 1970’s tree hugger but I am a damn smart person who knows a lot about the environment and the shit thats going on behind closed doors. The only thing that keeps this earth from drying out into a complete desert like mars, IS THE GLACIERS! The sun will literally fry us in no time without the glaciers. They don’t even have to melt completely for mayhem to begin, then what, dig caves and live underground? Try telling that to 7 billion people. 5) Peak oil ladies and gents, thats right for atleast a couple years now the amount of oil which we consume has surpassed the amount which we are finding and extracting from the earth. Yup, that means we’ve been on a downward spiral with oil supplies since around 2007. Pretty much 80 percent of our world runs off cheap and toxic oil. So as we can see, our entire system needs a revamp, way to many things are done backwards and irrationally. But you can’t just change a planet’s societal infrastructure overnight. This is something that takes decades, but MOST IMPORTANTLY PEOPLE, the government and many informed people know that such a project cannot be successful without a decreased population on the planet. The earths carrying capacity is way overdue and before the government puts any money and effort into remodeling society completely, they know they must decrease the population.

Something big is coming people, and the only way we can defend ourselves legitimately is with firearms and numbers. The government knows and has known for years that our 2 biggest cards against them is our free will to congregate and share a common interest with our fellow people, and our legal right to own and use firearms. We’re pretty close to a police state people, weather you see it or not. We all know what martial law is, and if not than read up on it yourself. It’s the governments sneaky way to disarm all it’s citizens by force of the military in a national crisis. Well turns out a national crisis isn’t to hard to imagine, especially considering the things i’ve just mentioned. This is just the tip of the iceberg, I could write on for hours about the things they’ve been putting in our food, water, the diseases which have been designed in laboratories and than magically appear in 3rd world countries (swine flu in mexico, aids pandemic in africa, do you really think the g7 nations care about those 3rd world people and what they can offer to them? Like common people wake up and smell the coffee. All I ask is that we be prepared. Have a survival kit made up, have lots of ammunition at bay, have your bolts and actions greased, keep lots of extra canned food, rice, and bulk multi vitamins around. Stop thinking inside the little box we were born into (especially americans, canadians, and the brits). Do you think people were ready for ww1, the holocaust, ww2, the de-colonization of africa/india, vietnam, jfk’s assassination and the list goes on. Only the people who weren’t ignorant saw these things coming, everyone else just lived their american dream and aided the bistander effect. Our own country is only 142 years old, some of our great grandparents were around when it began, just take a look at whats happened since then, we didn’t even have airplanes or cars a little over a hundred years ago, so stop thinking change takes a long time to happen, it can happen in a single explosion, a phone call, or the signing of a federal law enacating martial law aka an obvious police state, were already experiencing an unobvious one.

anyone have any recent updates or herd anything new ?

I am confident that we will get them, it’s just a matter of how long will it be before they are released.
They can’t store them forever !
Please release them and focus on something of importance. like maybe try to stop the smuggling of illegal firearms into Canada, and leave us target shooters / hunters alone. if we stop everything that looks different from coming into the country, oh man we would be in a whole world of trouble.
This Type-97 is new and different from the norm, we should be welcoming it with open arms !
Come on Canada get your priority’s straight.

I think it would only be fair to have someone that is involved with this situation to post on this sight in regards to the Type-97, and the reasons why they are still being held ?

Thanks.

Im eye-balling the “almost” ak 47 at Marstar now…… I will wait but not forever.

Any news anyone?

This will cost CA money if it costs them sales. Personally Id be suing the government for lost revenue if this is the case.

Sorry, but there is no way in hell that the BATF or ATF will ever allow a “Norinco” into your country for any reason you can think of. You can thank Clinton for that one(he banned all Chinese firearms). So you should go for the Kel-Tec RFB. It’s the same as the Type 97A except it’s American made, and it’s in .308(drool). Jesus, you can even AK47’s in Bullpups in the US. As I’ve said before, you guys(US) have always had it better than us with firearms, let us have this one!! (LOL)

Ever since I learned of this rifle, I’ve been doing as much research as I can on it…this is the only hot topic discussions I’ve found on the QBZ 97.

I live a bit down South of you guys, and as soon as ya’ll receive your Norinco Type-97A’s in; I’m placing an order with a broker, along with an ATF form 6, so that I may legally import one into the US.

This Weapon System for me is a toy that I really want.

…Zombies? LOL!

I don’t see how the BC provincial elections affects the RCMP. The RCMP is federal so those matters would have to be dealt with from Ottawa unless I’m mistaken.

1. BC government is in election. During this period, no big decision will be made and all big decisions will be left to new government. So I do not expect we can get any news in about a month if BC RCMP is under lead of BC government.

2. I am wondering how (BC) government is going to recover the lose sufferred by CanadaAmmo if T97A is declared as prohibited. Once the contract was signed between CanadaAmmo and Norinco, CanadaAmmo probably can not void it and probably can not simply ship it back to China to let Norinco burden the lose. Anyway, Chinese PLA is using 5.8mm caliber T97 and there is no way for PLA to equip themselves with 5.62 mm caliber (semi-auto firing mechinics, magazine slot on receiver and magazine lock system were all modified and different original version). On the other hand, BC cuts its budget significantly due to the downturn of economy, there is no way neither for government to take the lose, although it pre-approved this transaction.

3. Leverarms stopped selling T97 on Mar. 24. That is to say the sell was good until that date. However, I believe most of us here put our orders before that date. So I am wondering if it is fair for the government to restrict us from owning T97 that was purchased before the cut-off date. If I was not unhappy to see Leverarms always pursue unreasonable high profit margin (T97A @ $1160 vs $849, M14s @ $699 vs @ $399, 1911A1 @ $499 vs $329 etc.) I would have already got it. SxxKs!

4. I have been visiting this websit for a long time and it is my first time to put opinion here, although I am not sure if what I understand is right or not. Anyway, I should appreciate all you guys to share your information by this chance, including Dennis regarding M4.

Let’s see what will happen on T97A