Type 97 (Chinese semi-auto QBZ-97 bullpup) coming to Canada

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Those lucky Canadians will be able to purchase the Norinco Type 97 later this year.

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Type 97A. Click to expand.

The Type 97 is the civilian export version of the QBZ-97 rifle, which in turn is the export version of the 5.8x42mm QBZ-95. It is chambered in 5.56x45mm and takes STANAG magazines. Looking at the photo I think it has a 20″ barrel.

According to CanadaAmmo it will be available in December 2008 and will sell for $849.00.

UPDATE: A couple of photos from Dennis. Thanks Dennis

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  • Nick

    I’m saving for the tavor that’s out here…. It’s a bit pricy at 3k, but once you have it you’ll get over the sticker shock.

  • http://gearcult.com rob

    Cool story! we’re all anxiously awaiting this one in Canada.. they’re coming in pretty cheap too ~ $800. I added this story to http://gearcult.com

  • http://cmblake6.wordpress.com cmblake6

    OOOO! OOOO! I WANT ONE!!!!!!!

  • http://cmblake6.wordpress.com cmblake6

    Oh! That “Alex Bullpup”? Where can I get one of THOSE? Nice!!!! Linked above.

  • Dennis Beifus

    Does anyone question the quality of Norinco Type 97? My local gun store said they wouldn’t import Norinco of any type. Just want some opinionsoks to be too good a deal.

  • http://cmblake6.wordpress.com cmblake6

    Last I was aware, when the Navy SEALs, Marine Recon, and Army Special Forces carry AKs, they’re Chinese. Supposedly the receiver is 50% heavier(or was) so the Chinese make a more durable, longer lasting, tougher AK variant. May have changed, this was a number of years ago.

  • Dennis

    I am looking for any opinions that are recent, on the Norinco Type 97 bullpup rifle. The price is good but I wonder about the quality.

  • http://www.thefirearmblog.com Steve

    Dennis, as far as I know Canada is the first and possibly the only country that is receiving the Type 97. It is best to ask Canadian gunshops that are selling it what they think. I have not owned any Norinco rifles but I have heard they are ok, although sometimes the finish on them is not all that great.

  • http://cmblake6.wordpress.com cmblake6

    Again, I can’t help but think that they are just as good as they were back when you could buy Norinco here in the states before Slick Willies import ban. Now all we have to do is figure out how to get THESE stateside.

  • Name

    As much as I would like to pin the import ban on Slick Willie, George H.W. Bush gets the honor.

  • Dennis

    Don’t know how the Norinco Type 97 got into Canada but I am surprised being that we aren’t supposed to have firearms that look military in style. The rifle will have to be semi-auto and can’t hold more than 5 rounds so the mags, have to be pinned. Still a good deal.

  • Dennis

    It’s funny really but I first heard about the Type 97 from a friend at the range who is from Thialand. I was going to modify my Ruger Mini 14 to look more military but he said not to bother and to get the Type 97. Better firepower, looks cool and the barrel wont overheat. It will also accept more accesories.

  • http://cmblake6.wordpress.com cmblake6

    “As much as I would like to pin the import ban on Slick Willie, George H.W. Bush gets the honor.”
    Fine, you are correct. Bush 41 WAS responsible for said import ban. Slick Willie was responsible for the AWB. Both stupid. Both violations of the 2A. Regardless, I like that “Olde 97″! I want one!!!

  • Dennis

    Yippee!! My order was approved for my Type 97. They may be in stock in November even I hope. I can see myself shooting in the freezing weather. Oh, what the heck, I’m sure the 97 will heat up and keep me warm. Just have to get ahold of a couple more mags.

  • http://cmblake6.wordpress.com cmblake6

    How to get one here in the USA?

  • Dennis

    Well, for starters, you could ask your new President to have better trade relations with China. I know they’re Communist but actually, since I was over there last year, it seems they are more capitalist than we are. Man you can get anything over there. Great people too. The ironic part is that the Chinese are not allowed to own firearms of any type at all and yet they are exporting them to us. Governments are weird.

  • Rusty Shackelford

    I have several Norincos, a 45 – finish is not the best, but shoots great, and a SKS (7.62 X 39), i can pick the wings off a house fly at 100 yards. Based on my previous experience, I pre-ordered a Type 97. Because they accept the standard 5.56 NATO mag, they can accept the mags from a AR pistol, thus allowing us Canadians to go from a 5 pinned mag to a 10 round LAR mag.

  • http://cmblake6.wordpress.com cmblake6

    Would be a lovely acquisition, indeed.

  • recon985

    how about using a beta mag on one of these?

    and would it be legal for an american to go into canada,buy one of these rifles and come back home with it?

  • http://www.thefirearmblog.com Steve

    recon985, I would be surprised if a beta c-mag could fit without modifications to the rifle, magazine or both.

    No it would not be legal. You would still be importing a Chinese firearm.

  • forestguy

    Anyone know what accesories would be available for this rifle, or might becoming available later on? It’s nice as is, but has a lot of potential for modding.

    Also, does it take standard AR mags like the Tavor?

  • http://cmblake6.wordpress.com cmblake6

    forestguy, looking at the picture I’d say yes. Says takes STANAG magazines, and to my relatively well trained eye it sure enough looks like one. When do we get those in the States? Damnit!

  • Dennis Beifus

    Yes, the Norinco Type 97 rifle will take Stanag magazines they will also take any AR type magazine which is what I have.

  • forestguy

    Strange that it would be unrestricted, while any AR type rifle is. Would probably increase sales though, least until it gets added to to “list”.

    I had heard rumors that Norinco was to make a civilian, semi-auto version of the Tavor, maybe cheapter than the 3k version,, but I guess this is probably the rifle in question. Still pretty sweet though, for the difference in price i’d probably go with this.

  • Dennis Beifus

    I don’t think the Norinco Type 97 bullpup is meant to compete with the Tavor which is a very pricy rifle. I think the quality may not be as good as the Tavor but who knows. The Type 97 is a semi-auto and is therefore considered a sport rifle. The Chinese can crank out anything more cheaply than Europe or the U.S. Cheap labour, cheap materials and a huge military to supply. I think it’s a matter of economy of scale.

  • http://cmblake6.wordpress.com cmblake6

    I still want one. The other thing that tempts me as a concept is to create a bullpup sniper off of a Mauser 98. But what the heck. This is one of the neatest things I’ve seen in a while!

  • forestguy

    I heard it that it won’t be availabe until this spring, that they’ve pushed back the December release, any truth in this?

  • Dennis Beifus

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the order isn’t ready till spring but I am dissapointed if that’s true. The Chinese do things in their own time and deadlines don’t mean a lot to them. They’re not lazy but they just don’t have that kind of stress in thier lives. I was over there for a month with some Chinese friends and lived with their families so I know their psychology a bit. When I would get upset because something didn’t go my way and on time they would just sigh and say “that is the Chinese way” and I came to accept that philosophy. If the rifle isn’t shipped till spring, well I won’t have to freeze my hands. Still, I can hardly wait.

  • forestguy

    Here’s a video of it on Youtube
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42Cbs-a3gL4

    Heard rumors it may be unrestricted? Or only a longer barreled version would be unrestricted.

  • CanadianBeef

    Rumors are just that, This rifle is non-restricted (unrestricted lol) and yes it will be here very soon, before the end of January, the crate is on route via boat as of a few days ago, when they arrive it will take a couple weeks to get everything in order before they are shipped out. So no need to worry you will be shooting in no time.
    These are available in limited supply only, exclusive to Canada, so it’s a no go for all you Yanks unfortunately.
    I hope this cleared things up for everyone, Happy Shooting !

  • Dennis Beifus

    I was on the CanadaAmmo site and there is no indication of the Norinco Type97A rifles on route. They say they expect them in January. Perhaps you have them mixed up with the new shotguns they recieved. Where did you get your info? I hope it’s true. I am trying to find a decent reflex sight for the rifle but all the good ones are in the U.S. and they can’t ship tactical sights to Canada. Any opinions on the NcStar sights which we can purchase in Canada? I think the barrels on the Type97A will be a bit longer for the export version of the rifle. No bayonet lug though which is unfortunate since some good bipods attach to the lug.

  • CanadianBeef

    Hey Dennis,
    This info came from Chris (the owner of Canadaammo.com)
    as for you question on the sights, well depends how much you wanna spend.
    There is an importer in Barrie On, here is a link for the Eotech sights same as the U.S.
    https://shopquestar.com/shopping65/shopdisplayproducts.asp?Search=Yes&sppp=6
    or copy and paste that into your browser.
    or for something cheaper check out http://www.Fabsports.ca this guy has a lot of connections and can get you just about anything aftermarket for a firearm, he is located in Quebec, very trustworthy I have order from him before and plan on placing another order soon.
    Hope this helps. if you want anymore info or looking for something else, leave your email and I will get back to you, not really big on the blog thing lol

  • Dennis Beifus

    Thanks for the info. I will check out the links. I am glad you talked to Chris. Wow, we might have our rifles soon!! The more I read about them, the more confident I am that they are a good buy. I have been watching a few videos of our troops on Youtube and I recognize a few Eotech sights on their rifles. I am also interested in the Russian Cobra reflex sight. I can’t affort any of the ACOG sights so I will settle for a less expensive red dot.

  • http://cmblake6.wordpress.com cmblake6

    I still want to know how in the heck we’re going to get them down here in the US! Maybe co-ordinate a hunting trip for something in ND? Lose track of actual GPS and “Well, by golly, as long as I’m here”?

  • CanadianBeef

    Hey Dennis,

    Check out the site, they have finally put updated information for the Type-97, hopefully this will let people sleep at night lol…….. for us that pre-order you know what I mean.
    Nice it is also going to come with 2-5/30 round mags. good good, don’t forget guys that you can now legally buy a 10 round mag ! it has been a long time coming, you can thank the people at “Questar International” and the RCMP for making this possible.
    Happy Shooting, see ya on the field !

  • http://NoWayofCrossing CanGunz4U

    For the Americans, no need to worry about crossing the border with a Type-97, because without a proper Canadian PAL license, no gun store in Canada will sell you a firearm,
    There is one way tho, move to Canada, become a Canadian citizen, take all the necessary courses required, than apply for a PAL after taking the exam, wait 2 months for your license to come in the mail, BAM simple as that, now you can buy all the non-restricted firearms you want, oh ya if you want to move back to the U.S. your firearms stay in Canada.
    Thanks for reading.

  • Dennis Beifus

    The only way to obtain a Norinco 97A rifle is to order it over the net from Canada Ammo or Lever Arms. You wont see one in a gun store. The only way for shooters in the U.S. to get one is to have your state department allow imports of the rifle from China. While you’re at it, convince them to allow Canadians to import firearm accessories from the U.S. I don’t understand why Canadians can’t order scopes etc. from the U.S. and visa versa. What happened to free trade? We are neighbors and friends so why can’t we order stuff from each other. Go figure. By the way, don’t try to run the border as the Canadian border guards are now armed just like yours. Being Canadian, I doubt weather the border guards are allowed to have ammo though. :)

  • CanGunz4U

    LOL of coarse they have ammo, They have a 10/round mag in the gun as well they carry 2 extra mags that are also loaded…… come on Dennis it’s not that bad here lol. I have a close relative that works the Border in Windsor, we used to call him a flashlight cop…lol not anymore (they carry the Smith & Wesson M&P 40).
    So don’t get any ideas, there are a lot of disgruntle border cops….hahahha.
    just kidding Mike………ummmm no I’m not you are a prick…hehehehe see ya soon.

  • http://cmblake6.wordpress.com cmblake6

    Truly a shame we can’t get those here. *SIGH*

  • Dennis Beifus

    Please don’t get me wrong. I have the utmost respect for the border guards, especially these day with all the crazies out there. I worked for the government for 30 years and we belonged to the same union also. I support our troops and our border guards. Gee, a S&M 40 Lot’s of punch. Bring on the Type 97′s !!!

  • Dennis Beifus

    Thanks guy. I am awaiting the rifle as I have preordered. 2 mags. SWEET!!

  • Dennis Beifus

    Maybe Obama will have closer ties with China. The U.S. should be friends with them as I sure wouldn’t want them for an enemy. I know as I have been there. They have a humungous military with all the latest stuff. I used to listen to them practicing in the mountains near Janjakou near Mongolia. Saw a jet go over my building quite low. Looked like a version of the F-14. Anyway, trade with China is a good idea especially since they manufacture Norinco Type 97 rifles. The manufacturing facility wasn’t far from where I was staying but they don’t advertize that.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com Steve

      Dennis, he will **never** authorized the importing of arms from China. His supporters would crucify him.

  • http://cmblake6.wordpress.com cmblake6

    S^*t, he’ll do everything in his power to take away what we already have.

  • CanGunz4U

    Obama is the best thing that has ever happened to the United States.
    at least your not stuck with that slack-jaw mouth breather Bush, what a joke that guy is, and dumb as all hell.
    You guys should be happy to have someone like Obama, educated, life smart, and has the ability to analyze situations an come up with a rational solution.
    Not just daaaaaaarr duuhhhh derka derka uuhhh ummm ya Terrorists ya thats it kill em all….. what an ill minded uneducated blubbering fool. nuff said.
    GO OBAMA !!

  • CanGunz4U

    My fault off topic, don’t want this gun blog to turn political. please take it with a grain of rice and leave it at that, my bad.
    Type- 97 is gonna be the shit, I can’t wait to get mine, I’m gonna name her maybe like sugar-bomb or Hot-lips cause you’ll feel the burn when she reaches out and touches ya. (@200 yards bwwhahahaha).

  • Dennis Beifus

    I got a few photos of the Type 97 that they are using in China off a Chinese site. How do I post these here? Or can’t I? They are really detailed photos and would help everyone understand the gun better. Gads, I can hardly wait. Yes, I guess we shouldn’t make this a political forum. I apologize to the people concerned including the site administrator.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com Steve

      Dennis, all is forgiven ;) Upload the images to http://imageshack.us/ and post links to them in the comments.

  • Dennis Beifus

    I was just thinking about what fun it will be to rattle off 10 rounds rapid fire when the guy next to me is farting around with his 5 round mag. HeHe. I can’t imagine what fun it would be to fire 3 round bursts like on the Chinese military model. I also think that the Type 97A will be a little noisy which is even better. IMHO :)

  • http://cmblake6.wordpress.com cmblake6

    Still want one. Maybe, someday, *SIGH*

  • http://cmblake6.wordpress.com cmblake6

    Saw one working in the last episode of Stargate Atlantis, made me want it all the more.

  • http://cmblake6.wordpress.com cmblake6

    “CanGunz4Uon 15 Jan 2009 at 4:22 pm link comment
    My fault off topic, don’t want this gun blog to turn political. please take it with a grain of rice and leave it at that, my bad.”
    Thank you. This is not to do with the weapons system.

  • forestguy

    I’m planning on selling one of my pistols to get the funds to purchase one of these rifles. Wonder if there’s any risk that the supplies run out, that it’s a limited time offer type thing?

    Also, how much would you say a guy could get for a mint condition CZ model 85-B 9mm pistol? Sorry if thats a bit off topic.

  • http://cmblake6.wordpress.com cmblake6

    I’m thinking “nowhere near enough” would be a reasonable answer. Probably around $4-450. If it’s absolutely mint.

  • CanadianBeef

    Wait, hesitate = 2 late……lol been there to many times, if you think you really want something especially something that is unique that may not be around for a long time, just go for it. cause they won’t be around 4ever, and the way things are going, more than likely this will go restricted if not banned all together, it’s just a matter of time, unless you are one of the lucky people that already have one.
    with that said buy it or in 2010 when they are prohibited, you will be kicken yourself in the ass when the guy beside at the range is firing his and also gets to keep it as a non-restricted.
    LOL so go for it, and make us proud hahahha

  • forestguy

    cmblake6, you’re quite right, I never thought of getting 850 $ for it, just something to cover part of the expenses.

    And you make a good point Canadian Beef.. Im aiming to get one by the summer, if all goes well. Afterwards, if they do get banned for purchase, would you still be able to get like a replacement barrel or other parts for it, even if the ownership of the rifle itself is grandfathered?

  • Dennis Beifus

    Folks. Let’s get the rifles first and then consider wheather a change in status for the weapon comes about. I have a feeling that our government has it’s hands full right now and for some time to come because of the economic situation. I am glad I preordered last October just in case. They must have a boatload of Type 97′s coming. I hope!! I am still looking for a reflex site to mount on the picattiny rail, plus a good tactical light. Just my 2 cents worth.

  • CanadianBeef

    Dennis,

    http://www.fabsports.ca you can get a good reflex sight for under $100. That’s where I will be getting mine from, cause I don’t wanna spend a boat load on optics, I mainly always use the iron sights anyways. It’s just nice to have a decent reflex sight, also looks cool !

  • Dennis Beifus

    I agree CanadianBeef. The sight for me though would be for quick target aquisition. I am willing to spend about $200.00 for a sight. I think the reflex is a good choice IMHO. C-More has some sights that are reasonably priced. I would like the sight to be mounted lower than on the photo but then again I suppose I would loose the use of the iron sights. I was really hoping that CanadaAmmo would get in some more Cobra Russian sights. They are really combat hardened and they look mean. Gosh, the wheather is getting better here in southern Alberta. I am itching to get on the range.

  • Dennis Beifus

    Oh. And the strobe and laser are also a cool addition.

  • forestguy

    Here in rural New Brunswick, this rifle would definetely attract some WTF type looks, where everyone only has bolt action rifles.

  • Dennis Beifus

    Yeah, the WTF looks are great to get. I am hoping to get the add-on’s for the Type 97A as soon as I can afford them. I wonder if a bipod would be an asset for the rifle. I suppose the rifle is meant more for shooting at multiple targets and quick aquisition. I am going to ask the local shooting club (I am a member) for permission to have a special competition for the military type rifles such as the SKS, AR’s, and the various bullpup types. I think the calibers should be limited to a maximum of 7.62 (.308) and of course a minimum of 5.56 (.223) There are calibers in between also. I would have the competitors shoot from standing, kneeling, prone and from behind a wall at a number of targets. Maximum 5 rounds per mag. otherwise it gives the Type 97A owners an unfair advantage being that we can load a 10 rounder. Mag changes will have to be made quickly as I will specify 2 shots per target and there will be 5 targets. What do you guys think? Anyway I am still awaiting eagerly the arrival of the rifles. I hope the 97A is more accurate than my Mini 14.

  • CraigN

    Am I reading this right, I can pin a AR 15 mag (or any long gun) to 10 rounds now? I see the mags available but can they be used on a non-restricted gun? I tried to find a bulletin on this but found nothing.

  • Dennis Beifus

    No, you cannot pin an AR 15 mag. (more than 10 shots) or any rifle magazine to 10 rounds. If the magazine is designed to hold more than 10 rounds, it has to be pinned to 5 rounds. The magazines that have a 10 round capacity and are legal are the LAR-15 magazines for the AR pistol because they are a pistol magazine and pistol magazines can have 10 rounds. These pistol magazines are legal to use in the Norinco Type 97A rifle because they are pistol magazines and once the magazine is approved, it can be used in any firearm that it will fit. Sounds weird huh? Well go to the Questar site and get the Lar-15 magazines for your Type97 https://shopquestar.com/shopping65/shopexd.asp?id=84&bc=no
    This is the only magazine that is approved by the RCMP for use in the Type 97A as they are a pistol magazine. Yeah, unfortunately, the 20 and 30 round mags. have to be pinned to 5 rounds. They will look cool but fire only 5 rounds. By the way. The 10 round Lar-15 mags need to have a mag. pull relacement for the floor plate as they may be difficult to get out because of the deep mag. well on the rifle, so order the mag. pulls also.

  • CanadianBeef

    Man I can’t friggin wait, all I think about is getting my Type-97, sounds sad eh ? oh well it’s gonna be awesome, just the feel of handling a bullpup….legally hahhaha it’s gonna be sweet ! and the 10 round mags to top it off……..ooooohhhhhhhh yaaaaaaaaa, time to crank up the Barry White and listen to Deeper & Deeper when you clean that baby ! hahahhaa.
    I will post some pics here the day I get my Type-97 hopefully by the end of next week if all goes well, but we know it’s gonna be a bit longer than that :( oh well worth the wait %100.

  • Dennis Beifus

    I agree Canadianbeef. I am itching to get my hands on the rifle. Just remember, the legal mags. are the LAR-15 pistol mags. if you want a 10 round mag. and who wouldn’t. I wish the price was better for the .223 Cal. rounds. I think we will go through quite a few, at least I will. Guess I have to get serious about reloading.

  • forestguy

    “……..ooooohhhhhhhh yaaaaaaaaa, time to crank up the Barry White and listen to Deeper & Deeper when you clean that baby ! hahahhaa.”

    Thanks CanadianBeef, this makes me feel better about my casual interest in firearms, as opposed to whatever you’d call this heh

  • CanadianBeef

    LMAO….what can ya do………( just go deeper) hehehe.
    Yes the only downside to this is the damm price of .223 ammo. to bad it didn’t shoot the 7.62X39 I have cases of that stuff for my SKS and AK.
    I have never had to buy .223 and not looking forward to it hahahaha.
    I thought about doing reloads, but aaaaaaaaaaahh don’t really wanna invest in it or spend the time, not worth it for someone like me that only has one firearm that takes .223.
    I’ll probly buy 2 or 3 of the mags from Questar or don’t know maybe 5 to get the deal… always good to have, I do wanna pick up a Armalite 180B-2. also non-restricted and those mags would be great for it.
    Damm the Type-97 damm you and your stylish good looks, reliability, and the fact that I can throw you in my truck like a dirty old blanket and not have to worry about shit ! oh how I love you.
    It’s like a mail order bride, you’ve never saw here but you know your gonna love her.
    I think I’ve said enough. lol. someone else’s turn.

  • forestguy

    Agreed. I need this rifle, even though I don’t have the money for it. I’ll worry bout the money later.

  • P.Koschei

    Wow, can’t believe a conversation is still going on in this post. I take it everyone here is a member of Canadian Gun Nutz? If not, you should be! In any case the non-restricted Type 97′s arrived last week already, just waiting for customs clearance so they should be shipping out to buyers sometime next week or so. Also a nice bloke at CGN made a rail adapter accessory for the type 97 so you can mount optics while still retaining the use of the irons. Also it keeps the cheek weld from getting too high as it happens.

  • CanadianBeef

    Ya the people like us that pre-ordered from Canadaammo, the gun comes with a free picatinny rail for all you mounting needs. and this also allows you to use the iron sights.
    I don’t think it’s to late if anyone wants to pre-order to get the free rail, just place your order along with $1ΘΘ deposit and your good to go.
    ╒orest guy: worry about the money/repercussions later, lol I think that’s what a lot of us are doing, I just know it’s a must have, above all my basic needs as a human, food and rent can always be paid at a later time, I’m sure I will get over the hunger eventually…..lmao we all know these guns will be gone in a blink of an eye, never to be seen again !
    ßwwwhahahha until some of us post pictures of ours….. damm I can’t wait.
    sweeeeeeet dδggy. ╫╫E╙╙ ÿä…………… ♪ ² mÿ /)’s

  • Dennis Beifus

    The Canada Ammo site has no indication that the Type 97A is in or even on the way. Where did you find this out P.Koschei cause I’m slowly shitting my pants. Whew!!! I like the smell of burnt gunpowder better.

  • Dennis Beifus

    Is CGN, Canadian Gun Nutz? What is the cheek weld? I have never had a bullpup in my hand so I don’t know all the parts or how to properly handle it yet. I would guess that the piatinny rail would block out the iron sights though as it would mount on the carry handle. Excuse my ignorance please.

  • forestguy

    Well, after turning it over in my head for weeks and coming to the conclusion that this was probably a very limited time deal, I went ahead and ordered one, got the pre-order rate and the Picatiny scope mount as well. Had to increase my credit card limit to do it.

    Hope tax time is generous.

  • Urbaneddy

    I also just placed my order. I just got off the phone with Mark, and he said that they infact are still in customs and the only hold up is the paperwork from the Chinese side. Apparently, they will propbably wait until after the Chinese new year, which is actually today, January 26th. Hopefully it won’t be much longer. I fully agree that http://www.fabsports.ca is the best place for reflex sights. His prices are better than anywhere else in this country. I’ve owned other ARs, even norinco, and never ever had a problem with it. I’m from NB too, and yeah, this is bolt action central. I like bolt only if I’m distance shooting, but I’m way more of a fast pace plinker!!(no patience) Cheers

  • CanadianBeef

    THE TYPE-97 HAS ARRIVED !!!!!! yyyyeeee HHHHHHaaaaaaaa

  • Dennis Beifus

    Any opinions on NcStar reflex sights? I am considering mounting one on the Type 97A. I wonder if the sight would be too high up for comfort.

  • Dennis Beifus

    The Canada Ammo sit has confirmed the arrival of the Norinco Type 97A’s and have told their customers to expect a charge on their credit cards soon. Guess you can’t get better confirmation than that. Whoooopiiii. Happy shooting guys.

  • CanadianBeef

    I suggest we all post pictures of our rig when we get them, will be interesting to see all the different mods….and crazy shit we do to our guns.

  • Urbaneddy

    Sweet relief. Well, for those looking for inexpensive red dots or scopes, this company http://www.futong.com/index.html , has a 40% of optics which include AR scope rail and scope combos very reasonable. I’ve ordered about 6 different scopes from here and had no issues. Chinese scope on chinese rifle seems adequate enough. Cheers to all.

  • Dennis Beifus

    For everyones information. Join up with the Canadian Gun Nutz forums and look at the group called ” Red Rifles ” you will find all the information you can handle including photos and videos on the Norinco 97A’s. Lots of good advice and trivia and other information. There are detailed descriptions of how to strip the rifles and even improve on the actions if need be. Also, check out the Kalinka Optics Warehouse for sone really good Russian reflex and other sights. Don’t worry Steve, we will all be here too. The adventure begins.

  • forestguy

    So, where can someone find 10 round LAR mags for this at a decent price?

  • Mike Edwards

    For LAR mags, try questar. My local gunshop has them for $45 a piece. I have the black reflex NcStar sight, and its pretty nice, however the recommended sight from what I gather is the H136 from Fabsports(eotech look-a-like), but I believe that it is red dot only. I sort of like the choice of recticles that the reflex offers. Most of these sights sit around the same height, so it should be an issue. I put my credit card number for deposit on type 97 but it was never charged, anyone else have that happen?

  • forestguy

    Don’t worry Mike, I don’t think they’re charging the deposit at this point, it’ll be the full amount when it ships. That’s what CanadaAmmo told me.

  • urbaneddy

    LAR can be found at leverarms too. $34.99 or $27.99 if you buy 5 or more.

  • CanGunz4U

    Damm Custom’s hurry up and “Release the hounds” !

  • Dennis Beifus

    This waiting sure sucks but I guess the fellas at Canada Ammo must be up to their eyballs in rifles to set up and do the paperwork. The weather is improving and I can hardly wait to get out to the range with the 97A. Is anyone going to be firing the heavier 62 grain bullet? I hear they may be more accurate with the 1:7 twist. Opinions please on the NcStar reflex sights. Thanks.

  • forestguy

    Any update on the status of these over at Canada Ammo, anyone know?

  • Dennis Beifus

    Emailed Chris and he said they are still in customs.

  • CanadianBeef

    same thing I called today and Chris said they are still in customs :(

    Dennis as for the reflex sight I got mine last week, I have to say it is sweet, and works great, I had it on my SKS with the T6 stock, it’s awsome you can switch from dot to crossair to red and green. I also put it on my jacked up 10/22 and once again I was impressed, dead accurate, it works in all situations. I am probably gonna get another one, worth every penny, I would highly recommend it, besides Fab has the cheapest price on these in the entire country, so you can’t go wrong. when all is done I will have 3 of these 1 for the SKS, 1 for the 10/22 and 1 for the amazing Type-97 ooohhh yaaaaaaaaa, come on customs release those bad boys.
    as for the ammo I’m not sure I just bought some cheap stuff I think it was 55 grain, The cheapest stuff I found was Winchester @ $13/box = 20 rounds
    man thats enough I won’t be buying any expensive shit, I’m sure this will do fine specialy when I’m just shooting crap on the farm.
    LOL and I thought the surplus 7.62X39 @ $230 for a case of 1120 rounds was a lot, damm cheap compared to the .223, I don’t get it that .223 round is tiny compared to the 7.62X39, I just hope the Type-97 is as much fun to shoot as my AK.
    done I’ll let someone else have some input on this.

  • Dennis Beifus

    CanadianBeef, I am assuming you bought NcStar reflex sights. Thanks for the info. Like I said, I am also looking at Kobra reflex sights but they are twice the cost. I want something that will sit as low as possible on the handle of the 97A. I have a Bushnell Trophy red dot (tube type) on my Mini14 and I find that it is not very accurate at 100 yards. I suppose if a person spent $500.00 or so that the accuracy and dependablility would go up, but I haven’t got that kind of bread especially after buying the rifle. A person should learn how to shoot well with the iron sights first anyway. I think, with the 10 round mags. the temptation will be to rattle off bursts of shots anyway. I know I will have a tough time holding back the lead. I can hardly wait till everyone gets their 97A’s. This will be a great forum to discuss our experiences, post photos and talk about accesories. I think we are all going to have a very fun summer. Heck. I’ll start shooting when I get mine even if there are a few patches of snow!! Again I would like to thank Steve for this blog.

  • crazyshane

    well we r all eagerly waiting foer our toys to arrive there seems to be a gap in mey knowledge of the way you would mount any type of sigt to the little 97 free pictanny rail, mounts on … the flat top carry handle or could you just find a mount that fits in the rail ? i tried to get the best veiw i could of the reflex sight pictured above but, i cant really get that much detail. would somebody fill me in on what would be the best combo for this ?
    and or recommend an accessory list to get this thing decked out!
    and hey what the heck is wrong with canada customs , oh yeah they r gov employees doing as little as possible each and every day. any way could some one enlighten me a bit please. about the optics.

  • forestguy

    What would you guys mount on this rifle between the NcStar reflex sight, and that EOtech style sight (H-136) on Fabsports?

    The NcStar seems to have a slightly wider window, but the H-136 looks a bit more robust.

    Thoughts?

  • urbaneddy

    I’ve also got the NcStar reflex on my SKS and it holds up fine. However I do believe the H136 would be more sturdy because of the outer housing of the optic is better protected. I chose the reflex because of the recticle. I like the option of recticles, versus just plain red dot. So they’re still in customs? Man, it’s going to be a while……too bad. I’ve recently pressed 100 rounds of 62 grain,100 rds. of 69 grain, and 100 rds. of 55 grain to test in the type 97A, and I will post the results ASAP(I will need the rifle first).

  • Dennis Beifus

    I got a lead on a site that sells Chinese scopes that are supposed to be very good. The guys on Canadian Gun Nutz seemed to like them. Good prices. Built like a brick shithouse. Try 1337tactical.com Apparently the guy has a good reputation also.

  • Dennis Beifus

    I was wondering if any of you are familiar with one point slings and would it be a good addition to the Type 97A? Where does a sling attach anyway?

  • shane

    hey will ar scope mounts fit this type 97 top rail or is that just wishful thinking? can some one enlighten me on this subject please?have lookeed for and found little info on mounts.and or optics that would be most suitable. can somebody find that info? canadiangunnutz.com is hard to navigate with my comp[uter illiteracy:(

  • Dennis Beifus

    I am getting a bad case of information overload from Canadian Gun Nutz. All I know with regards to the scope mount is that a see-through mount is available again. I don’t know if AR type equipment will mount directly to the handle rail. I am hoping it will. There is so much discussion about the various parts of the rifle that I wish I were a gunsmith to understand all the stuff. These guys have gotten right into the guts of the rifle and are talking about all kinds of stuff. I just want a decent reflex scope that fits the picatinny rail. Anyone know how wide the rail is? Cripe, customs, let our rifles go!!!

  • urbaneddy

    I checked out that 1337tactical, and they have some really good stuff there. I believe that when you ordered the type 97, a scope rail was included. I Hope customs releases those rifles real soon, got to much .223 now!!

  • Dennis Beifus

    I have sent an email to Canada Ammo asking about the delay at customs so everyone else doesn’t have to write. I will let you know what they say. I also asked about the length and width of the picatinny rail they will be mounting on the 97A’s for our info. Glad you liked the site 1337tactical urbaneddy. I am finding more places to get goodies for our rifles. Thanks guys.

  • urbaneddy

    Dennis, did you get a reply yet? If I was in Vancouver I’d volunteer just to help them get the rifles out the door, that’s if they cleared customs yet! I’m moving to Edmonton in April, does anyone know of a gun club there?

  • Dennis Beifus

    Yes I got the reply that I figured I would get and I quote. ” How come our rifles are held up for so long in customs?

    You would have to ask them. They are a law un to themselves. Likely
    checking serials numbers and admissibility

    What width and length is the picatinny rail that will be mounted on
    the 97A’s.standard width, about 5 inches long.”

    I have asked them what the rail width is because iy makes a difference in what type of scope you can get. Anyone know what ” Standard width” means? This could take a while. Look up Edmonton Gun Clubs or ranges on the net. They probably have a few.

  • stormtrooper1015

    In my last conversation with the lads at Canada Ammo, they anticipate a release from customs is about a week away. I look forward to receiving the T97, and plan on kitting it with an “Asian” optic of some sort…

  • urbaneddy

    Dennis, I think standard width is picatinny or weaver. Any scope will fit on those. they only issue would be length of rail, but no one is putting a high powered 16″ long scope on these anyway. There are lots of AR scopes available that are short enough for this rail. I was going to go eotech, but they only work really good on flat top AR’s, not carry handles. I’ll be definetely stcking with one of those reflex sights. I have one my SKS and it works nice.
    [IMG]http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt335/urbaneddy/SKSD_tapcoT6_edition_001.jpg[/IMG]

  • Chao5

    I ordered one yesterday and am excited… Check out UltimateArms on Ebay for low cost optics and lasers… I ordered twice from them and had great experiences with them… their $50 green laser rocks!

  • Dennis Beifus

    Hey Chao5. What size of dot with the laser at 100 yards. I definitely will be mounting a reflex sight ( probably Russian ) on my 97A but I also want a laser and strobe light. Just looks mean and will help with targeting. I have become a bit nervous about the action in the 97A’s as some people on the Gun Nutz forum say that the tolerances aren’t very good and that could cause a lot of wear and then problems. One guy suggested good old gun grease on the bolt guides. I think that upon reciept of these rifles it would be a good idea to strip them down and examine them thoroughly. Polish certain action parts and put on a very fine layer of good quality AR grease. Just my two cents.

  • Sean

    Ok so Canada Ammo says it’s not restricted and Lever Arms says it is so obviously i ordered mine from Canada Ammo. What’s the deal here?

  • CHAO5

    Hi Dennis… I’m not sure at 100 yards… it’s sweet indoors though.. you can see the whole beam in any light(it’s better in the dark and with dust particles) and it comes with a rail mount and battery and pressure cords.

    Just google Green laser ultimatearms and look through the rest of their stuff too.. I live in Ontario and they ship out of New Jersey and combine shipping. You have to call them and give them a list of what you want because ebay will show some of the stuff as restricted for sale in Canada. It’s all legal to ship, but Ebay can be funny.

    Make out a good list before you call so that you can be clear on the phone. The only real problem is that there are so many cool things to get!

    I deal with them exclusively for accessories. Happy shopping!

    (Before people start to flame me, I know that the quality isn’t quite that of the really good stuff ie EOTech sights etc… but get whatever you want I don’t care. lol :)

  • Dennis Beifus

    No flames CHAO5, we all get what seems to be what we want and can use. Actually I overstated my requirements. Most people wouldn’t use a laser at more than 50 yards anyway, maybe even 30 yards. I certainly don’t expect my high intensity strobe to light up my target at 100 yards. These devices are meant for close in shooting. I do hope to be able to get a 1MOA dot on my reflex sight as that must be able to be used at 100 yards. I will check out the site you mentioned though. Sounds like the sort of place I can go nuts on without breaking the bank. I didn’t think they could ship stuff like that from the U.S. though but I’ll check it out. Oh, for Sean, I think that the difference between restricted and non-restricted would be the barrel length. I believe the 97A’s we are getting have a few more millimeters of barrel. As a matter of fact I am sure of that. Don’t worry. Still a very compact rifle, that’s why the bullpup design. I saw a Canadian soldier on You Tube firing a bullpup in Afghanistan in a wicked firefight, but I couldn’t make out the type. I think it could be the rifle of the future. Please, no flames.

  • urbaneddy

    SEAN,

    Dennis is right. I believe the barrel length of the 97a that lever has is 18″, which makes it restricted. The one from Canadaammo is 18.5″ which makes it non-restricted. Almost visually impossible to see the difference.

  • Dennis Beifus

    The difference in performance would be negligable between the Lever Arms Type97 and the Canada Ammo 97A. The price sure is better. I am looking into the bolt mechanism to see if anyone has had any real problems but I don’t think anyone has shot enough rounds for a decent evaluation. Like I said, a little gun grease goes a long way. Remember the rifling twist is 1:7 and that indicates that a heavier bullet may perform better. ( 62 grains ) and hits harder. One of the guys on CGN said that the 55 grain wouldn’t cause any problems though. I can hardly wait till we start getting opinions from the users on the 97A’s. There must be a hundred or more of us.I don’t personally think anyone is going to be dissatisfied. Gee, maybe we can all meet in some central location and have a shoot. Just an idea. Can you imagine the noise!! It would sound like a firefight in Afghanistan. Ah, the smell of burnt powder and all the shell casings bouncing around. Wonderful.

  • Dennis Beifus

    Out of curiousity I would like to know where all the Type 97A users are located. Could you all please let me know. Like I said, maybe we could have a special range shoot or maybe creat a group on Facebook just for us. I have an idea for that, that would make it challenging but safe for a competition shoot. I am in Medicine Hat Alberta. Home on the range so to speak. How about the rest of you? Speak up guys and I suppose ladies maybe.

  • urbaneddy

    I’m in Fredericton,NB now, but I’ll by in Edmonton by the end of April permenatly. I heard something about a zombie shoot with shotguns that might be happening near Edmonton, that sounds interesting.

  • Sean

    I’m near North Bay, Ontario. Facebook group or a Canadian GunNutz group would be great. I think the latter would be better.

  • Dennis Beifus

    Shit, we’re a ways apart. Oh well we can still talk. Ya, Sean, lots of info and chat on CGN.

  • urbaneddy

    yeah, I guess Edmonton to medicine hat is quite a drive from the looks of it. My type 97 was “processed”, that’s a good sign. Hopefully CBSA will release them on the 26th after the 30 day deadline is up. Outlaw double will be here mid next week, and the newest addition, 870 police for the coming of the undead, lol. I couldn’t imagine getting all of these at once(type97, outlaw, and 870). I’d have to wear safety glasses so I wouldn’t poke my eye out with the hard on!

  • Sean

    Was reading some informative stuff about the diff between 5.56 and .223 .
    According to Wiki you can shoot a .223 cartridge in a 5.56 bore, but not a 5.56 cartridge in a .223 bore.(well it wasn’t reccomended anyway and could be dangerous, something to do with the size of the throat on the shell) You guys prob know all this but i’m just trying not to chew my fingers off waiting for my rifle.
    I know I ordered late and you would hope that there inventory is counted as they sell them so as not to sell more than they have, that’s my only worry. Boy I would be pissed!

  • urbaneddy

    Sean, no worries. You’ll get it. As long as your order doesn’t say “back ordered”. I doubt very much they’d sell one with out it accounted for. I here you though, getting pretty anxious.

  • Chao5

    I ordered a week ago and specifically asked him about stock for that reason.. he said there are plenty. I wouldn’t worry. Hurry up little rifles! :)

  • CanadianBeef

    hhmmm I to was wondering the real differance between 5.56 and .223 ?
    I bought a bunch of .223 in anticipation of getting the rifle soon.
    This ammo will work wont it ?
    BTW I am located in London Ontario, up for a shoot anytime :)

  • Sean

    Urban Eddie/Chaos5
    Thanks, that makes me feel better but still won’t feel complete untill the day when that sweet thang has come home. ;)

    Canadian Beef
    Yes it will work. T97A has a 5.56×45 bore so therefore .223 will work fine some say it may not be as accurate but i have no practical experiance just reading alot to kill time. Sign up to Canadian Gun Nutz all the info you need it’s been great i’ve learned alot so far!

  • Dennis Beifus

    Gee, I wonder exactly how may 97A rifles they are getting in. I had asked Chris about that question a while back and all he would say is ” quite a few ” I am assuming there are a hundred or more rifles sitting at customs which could explain some of the delay. The .223cal. round is just fine for the 97A rifles as they are chambered for that round. The 5.56 NATO round generates higher pressures when fired and may not be very good for the rifle and not very safe. I am going to look into the matter a bit more. It seems, us 97A owners are coast to coast, but it’s good to hear from people.

  • urbaneddy

    if the rifle is labelled “5.56mm” you can use both 5.56mm and .223. It’s when the rifle is labelled .223, that you shouldn’t run 5.56mm through it. There is a difference in the brass. So, hopefully the T97 is 5.56mm. But it doesn’t really matter, soon it will be really hard to obtain 5.56mm.

  • Dennis Beifus

    I sent and email to Chris asking about the chambering of the Type 97A. I am awaiting a reply. Urbaneddy is right about the chambering. He is also unfortunately right about the availability of the 5.56 rounds. Iraq and Afghanistan are just chewing those up like crazy. The factories that produce the rounds are working triple shifts just to keep up apparently. I just buy a few more boxes of .223 everytime I have some spare cash. Not very cost effective. It is better to buy a case lot if you can find a supplier. My friend in the states buys a thousand rounds at a time. I am not sure which to wish for as far as chambering. I am kind of leaning towards the .223cal. as they are always available for varmint hunting. IMHO.

  • urbaneddy

    Best way to get around “ammo shortage”, is to press it. 5.56mm/.223 ammo may go extinct or go up in price, but the brass, bullets, and powder will always be available. Plus, you get to choose. I’ll be feeding the T97 1:7 twist a steady diet of 64gr. SP with benchmark powder. Now it’s just a matter of optics……. I’m going Burris Fast Fire, check those out.

  • Dennis Beifus

    I agree with you as far as reloading, which I plan on getting into. I think that the 62 grain bullet should be just about perfect for the 97A with the rapid twist. I will check out the Burris scopes. It just burns me that I haven’t got the rifle in hand to have a good look at what can be mounted on it decently. Oh well, patience.

  • Chao5

    Reloading sounds like fun… is it expensive to get into? How do you start and where do you get all the stuff?

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com Steve

      Chao5, is works out much cheaper in the long fun. Get the book “The ABCs of Reloading”. I highly recommend it, although I have not started reloading myself.

  • Chao5

    http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/sh38-e.htm

    Here is what we need next.. the type 97 shotgun… It’s five down from the top… (I know I’m a loser… I’ve spent the last week learning every last little thing about the 97… I’m addicted. My 37mm Havoc launcher finally arrived and I should be paying it more attention!

  • urbaneddy

    I bought my Lee”anniversary” kit for $99 plus shipping and it came with everything except the dies. I use RCBS dies for .338 lapua magnum, .308, + .223(military calibers only for me). I taught myself, it’s quite obvious what to do after reading the instructions, very simple. Re-size the neck with resizing die(which also pushes out the old primer), clean the primer falsh hole, trim the case if necessary, put new primer in, add powder, change die to seating die, sit a bullet on and presto! .338 lapua was running me between $85-$100 box of 10! reloading this caliber was costing me about $2.10 per round($21 per 10 rds.) with premium supplies(powder,bullets). I highly suggest it if you planning on shooting alot. Chao5, that is a sweeeet shotty, but if it did land here(which I doubt) it would be restricted due to barrel length, it’s “scary design”, and the fact that it’s a combat semi-auto. BTW, anyone who owns a 37mm havoc is no loser in my books. Did you get the 12g insert for it? Dennis, Clobb on CGN just submitted a great thread of 4 or 5 different scopes to mount on the T97, very informative thread. Steve, I’m not trying to promote that site over this one. I love this site and I’ve been reading this one long before I knew CGN existed. The “rifle” topics are so interesting here. Cheers

  • Chao5

    I bounce back and forth between the sites too.. they’re both great! I got the adapter it will not take shells though.. they don’t fit.. only 12 gauge flares that are shorter. boo lol.. apart from the legality, I don’t think I’d want to feel that kinda recoil! :)

  • urbaneddy

    wanna talk recoil, anyone checked out that 2 bore, yikes!! that would would be like shooting a boyd’s anti tank rifle by the hip!! no thanks. BTW, what in the hell kind of dangerous game needs a 2 bore or 4 bore, dinosaurs? I should probably stay on topic, but that’s the craziest I’ve seen yet. Anyone got any new info from Canam? The 30 days have been up for almost a week now(true date of coming to the country was Jan.18th or so), hopefully he’ll do an update on the site. Chao5, too bad they don’t fit, the recoil wouldn’t be any worse than a normal 12g shot.

  • CHAO5

    There is a small update today from a guy on CGN… he said Canada Ammo said:

    ‘that allthough the Type 97 shipment did arrive Jan 26 ,Customs did not get them immediately. His best guess was sometime next week the 30 days will be up and they will be released.’

    Also I just found a new source for cheap accessories… I bought this scope for my sniper rifle and am going to transfer my old 4×30 scope to the Type 97.

    http://www.matchstickglobal.com/product_info.php?cPath=31_35&products_id=481

    On ebay the prices are a bit higher but they have free shipping… they go by the name northgoody.

  • Redsurge

    A local gun shop in BC is selling the type 97 bullpup as RESTRICTED rifles!!! But Canada Ammo is selling them as NON-RESTRICTED!!! The rifle can’t have two differing designations!!! Anyone know what’s going on???

  • urbaneddy

    Redsurge, the only difference between The non restricted and restricted is that the non restricted has a slightly longer barrel. It’s still the same rifle though. Chao5, they had to send a rifle to RCMP for testing(CBSA wasn’t convinced I guess), even though they were pre approved as non restricted, that’s the delay now, shouldn’t be long until we know the fate of our orders. Either coming to us, or going home.

  • Sean

    yes Redsurge read above there are 3 different type 97′s in Canada now the third are still in customs arrg!

  • Dennis Beifus

    What!!! A rifle sent to the RCMP for approval? Where did you get the info Urbaneddy? Cripe we don’t need more delays!! I thought all of this was a done deal.

  • Dennis Beifus

    I had emailed Chris and he wrote back ” Yes, they are already approved, so there will be no problem. It is customs downloading their responsibility. ” Great now we have a pissing contest between Customs and the RCMP!! Shit, I am pissed off.

  • Dennis Beifus

    Sorry Steve. No nastiness or vitriol. Just venting my frustration with the gun laws and the fact that customs doesn’t understand them either.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com Steve

      Dennis, no problem, it was not towards the author of the blog post or other commenters.

  • urbaneddy

    Dennis, page 113 under “canam” “$849 type97″on “the other forum”, will give the info you don’t want to hear. Again Steve I don’t represent other blogs or forums. It certainly is a piss off but it is fact that RCMP weren’t convinced that these fall under non-restricted(even though they were pre-approved). This test should already be over and an answer soon. Considering some have order in July 08, I understand the frustration. Cross your fingers everyone that they weren’t re-classed, or worse, rejected.

  • CanadianBeef

    WTF
    I am lost for words.
    I still hear the 18.5″ will be released under non-restricted, so for those that ordered from leverarms yours will be restricted, I believe Canadaammo are the only ones that got the 18.5″, all we can do is wait.

  • Dennis Beifus

    I just want the damn rifle. I just purchased a Docter replica scope on the net that will fit just nicely on the Type 97A as in it will not sit too high. I am not liking the stuf I am reading on CGN. All kinds of stories. I guess we just have to trust Canada Ammo. It’s the RCMP and beurocrats that worry me the most. I guess the gun looks to mean to them or something. The Type 97A is completely legal as far as I can tell from the gun laws.

  • urbaneddy

    Dennis, I wouldn’t to the speculation on that site. Truth of the matter is they can only hold them for so long before they legally have to release them. My worry is reclassification. I have my restricted, but I bought it based on the fact that I could hunt with it. I’ll be putting a burris sure fire on it, only once I know it’s coming in non-restricted.

  • urbaneddy

    For all those who ordered this rifle: We got an official update from Canam and the CBSA was probably concerned with the size of the order, that’s what the hold was, and he is not concerned with reclassification. They are “waiting for wheels to turn” as we speak(or read). The best news I’ve got all week.

  • Dennis Beifus

    Yeah man, I was getting tired of holding my breath. Turning blue over my red rifle.

  • Dennis Beifus

    Where does one attach another accessory rail to accept a strobe light and possibly a laser? I really don’t like clamping stuff to the barrel but it looks like that is the only plave to put a bipod perhaps. Anyone know what type of sling to use? Perhaps a one point type? I can hardly wait for my little scope from 1337tactical. 3.5 MOA dot. Hope the quality is O.K. Might order some other stuff from them.

  • CanadianBeef

    For us Type-97 guys, I am awaiting an update from an inside source and should know for sure on Monday or Tuesday at the latest. I am starting to loose sleep over this, not good.

  • CanadianBeef

    On another note, anyone see the Norinco M4 14.5″ barrel, I think LeverArms is selling them for $899 not a bad price, as the owner of a few Norinco firearms I have always been satisfied with the quality, the only difference I have ever noticed was the finish on Norinco products is never as good, as for function tho they are great.

  • ryan

    r they going to sell in the us i want one

  • ryan

    are they selling in the us i want one

  • urbaneddy

    ryan,

    sorry, not going to happen unfortunetly. When Clinton was in power, he banned all firearms coming from China. But come on, there are 10 guns just off the top off my mind that you can get there that we can’t get here. You guys can get the Tavor(if your looking for bullpup AR), AK47, Saiga, mossberg bullpup shotgun, spas12, Styer AUG, and semi automatic .50 bmg’s just to name a few. I think you’ll be alright without this one. Besides there has to be atleast one good thing we can get that you can’t, LOL.

  • Chao5

    lol +1 Urban Eddie! :) I don’t know what kind of response I’ll get to this, but our gun laws could be a lot worse. (lol or a lot better too. :)

  • CanadianBeef

    Ok for us that ordered from CanadaAmmo, we are good they are staying non-restricted, no chance of reclassification.
    as for the release date, customs says it should be by the end of the week.
    “should”, so I wasn’t really convinced when I heard that.
    I guess the main thing is we are going to get them and they will be non-restricted.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com Steve

      In Canada, what is the difference between a restricted and non-restricted gun?

  • urbaneddy

    Steve,

    Non restricted is a centerfire rifle with barrel length more than 18.5″. For shotguns, as long as overall length is over 26″ long, it’s non resrticed. Restricted is pistols, milspec ARs, some combat semi auto high capacity shotguns, and any centerfire with a barrel less than 18.5″. I could go on forever stating the small differences, but that is the jist of it. We also have prohibited. It’s for converted autos, rifles “classed” over the years as prohib, like AK and FnFal. Pistols with barrel length less than 4″ (or so, not exact?)anybody else want to add anything I might of left out?

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com Steve

      What does it mean you a shooter if they classify something as restricted instead of un-restricted? Do you need a special restricted license or something?

  • Chao5

    Canadian beef, where did you get that intel?

    Steve, it’s a higher class of licence you need to have and there are transport and storage restrictions on restricted firearms.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com Steve

      thanks for the explanation urbaneddy and Chao5

  • Chao5

    Anyone else watch 24 tonight and think they saw a type 97 on it? Maybe I’ve thought about it so much I’m hallucinating lol.

  • Dennis Beifus

    Restricted, non-restricted. Most people have a license for both if you shoot handguns which are always restricted. Better to have non-restricted so you can shoot out in the countryside and not be limited to the target club range. When I took my PAL, I wrote the tests for both classes. I just want my rifle……

  • CanadianBeef

    Chao5,
    This info came from a person that is directly involved with the CBSA and the processing of firearms.

  • CanadianBeef

    Keep in mind once they have fully cleared it will still take Canada Ammo a few weeks to process all the firearms, I know it sucks, we are looking at a minimum of at least a month before we can expect any shipment.

  • urbaneddy

    CannadianBeef,

    Good to get an update though. But Damn, I’ll be in Edmonton by the time they start to ship. I might have to change my PAL address just to receive it, LOL. Steve, no one person can explain the full out craziness of our gun laws, there’s just so many little differences. For example, AK’s used to be non-restricted here a while back, then all of a sudden, they went straight pass restricted and into prohibited, and why? They look scary. Another good one(my favorite), we used to be able to hunt varmint with our AR’s because they made excellent shots, but they were sent to restricted because they are military? because of the receiver is milspec? I have tons of other .223′s, whats the difference in how it’s shot? anyway Chao5, I believe you probably saw the french FAMAS, the americans are banned from chinese firearms, including celebritys.

  • Sean

    Canadian Beef
    That’s good news to hear! If your on CGN it’s full of crazyness on what’s going on. I hope your source is good, being my first rifle purchase you can imagine how anxious i am. My Grandad’s old .22 will have to hold me off till then.

  • CanadianBeef

    Leverarms has there Type-97′s in stock and ready to ship but they are restricted, they say they are still waiting on the non-restricted, there Norinco M4 is also in stock and ready to ship.

  • Dennis Beifus

    I’ll wait for the unrestricted one from Canada Ammo. A half inch of barrel makes the difference. I think the non restricted Type 97A would be a riot when hunting coyotes. I wonder if they can be used on wild pigs which we have in Alberta. I suppose if you use 62 grain ballistic point bullets it would be O.K. I don’t think we can use them on deer in this country as far as I know as the bullet is too small. I am mostly looking forward to going to the range and annoying the people around me with rapid fire. Not very nice of me but fun all the same. Gee. I gotta get my Lee reloading setup. Anyone know how far the 97A throws the brass out? Don’t want to piss off the guy to the right of me by burying him in hot brass. I know my Mini14 really throws the brass a long way, like about 6 feet. Gotta order some more LAR15 magazines also.

    P.S. I was on the craziest forum today. Guys talking about killing attacking Zombies. Oh well. Each to their own as long as it’s fun and safe. You never can tell when the Zombies will come after you. Hee Hee

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com Steve

      Hi Canadians, I am the guy who runs this blog, I was wondering if you get surplus or commercial Chinese ammo in 7.62x39mm, 5.56mm NATO and 7.62mm NATO? If you do what does it cost?

      I want to compare it to the prices in the US where Chinese ammo cannot be imported.

  • CanadianBeef

    We do not have Chinese ammo in Canada, as for surplus there is a lot of the Russian 7.62 X 39, but you don’t really see any 5.56 surplus, only boxed stuff anywhere from $11. to $25 for a box of 20.
    As for the Russian 7.62 X 39 it’s $200 + tax for a case of 1120 rounds.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com Steve

      CanadianBeef, thanks for the info.

  • Dennis Beifus

    Scary stuff on CGN. FRT’s may be pulled on a few firearms including the Norinco Type97. Maybe bullshit, maybe not. I have just paid for my 97 and I want my rifle.

  • Sean

    I want to believe…but it’s getting hard. When this is all over i’ll tell you about the dream i had that night after i ordered one.

  • Dennis Beifus

    Sean. You ordered what? A Norinco Type 97A? I am strongly regretting it.

  • urbaneddy

    Guys, don’t give up yet. You’ll regret when you cancel and you go to the range and see everybody loving them, and now they’re sold out. We’ve all waited so long, DON’T DO IT. I almost did it and I’m glad I didn’t. The more support we give this company, the more cool stuff he will bring in at good prices. No one really has any FACTS, so lets relax and dream of putting tons down range. I got tons of tracers and can’t wait to shoot at dusk. SEAN, humour us with your dream, I love a good story. DENNIS, never thought I’d hear you say that.

  • Dennis Beifus

    Thanks urbaneddy. You are right. Just a fit of depression I guess from CGN. Sorry guys. I also love a good story and would like to hear about that dream. Yea. Pumping that lead downrange is my dream. Guess a couple more LAR15 mags would be in order. Where are you urbaneddy? I thought tracer rounds were illegal in Canada. I’d love to have some but I know our range said no tracers allowed. Fire hazard or something. Have the LAR15 mags gone up in price? They are nearly $40.00 a pop on at least two sites I’ve looked at. Anyone know where to get genuine 5.56 x 45 ammo for a good price?

  • Dennis Beifus

    I recieved my little Docter style reflex scope from 1337tactical. What a neat little scope and it will sit low and snug on the Type97 carry handle with the picatinny rail. Clear as a bell and built very tough. Can hardly wait to try it out. 3.5 MOA dot.

  • Dennis Beifus

    I belong to the NFA and I sent them a note. I didn’t know they were aware of the situation with the Type 97′s. These guys have lawyers and political clout. Here is their reply.

    Hello Dennis,

    Thanks for your question. We are aware of the situation and investigating it further. Meetings are scheduled and we are waiting for the Minister’s office to get back to us concerning this issue. We’ve been monitoring the situation since January and will continue to do so until the matter is resolved to our satisfaction. We are aware of the large number of rumors that have been going around. There is no reason to panic at the present time and as soon as we have solid facts to report we will do so.

    Sincerely,

    Sean Penney
    Vice-President, Communications
    Canada’s National Firearms Association

  • urbaneddy

    Dennis,

    Great to here you got some good back up for us. I’m near CFB Gagetown, NB. Tracers are not illegal to own, I have 300 7.62X39mm blue tracers right now too. Most ranges won’t allow them but during hunting season, anything goes. However, I am aware of all my surroundings while using them and making sure it is on a very wet day to prevent any chance of a fire. the 5.56 ones are red and look awesome just before the sun goes down.That scope sounds pretty sweet, I might pick up one of those if they’re still available. I got my Burris surefire not to long ago and it is so perfect for the 97(very small and short). I’ll probably be in Edmonton when they finally let them go…………..damn it.

  • Sean

    Still havn’t lost faith but it is getting tough. My order is still quewed on the t 97 and I ordered about a month ago. The website dosn’t say there sold out so I hope i don’t get a email saying “thanks for coming out but sorry about your luck” That’s been my biggest concern. That there so busy dealing with this that there selling guns they don’t have. If its the case there are going to be alot of pissed customers. This is my first online rifle purchase and it hasn’t been a very positive one so far. I know these guys are super busy and I havn’t even bugged them once. Also read some posts about some disapointed customers from Can Am. I’m really hoping things go well cause they have a bunch of other stuff i would like to purchase as well. As for the dream I had…so far it’s come true but of course I woke up before it was over.

  • Dennis Beifus

    Sean. They are probably waiting just like us. I ordered my Type 97A in October 01, 2008 so how do you think I feel? I guess Chris and the staff are off on another junket soon to the middle east and elswhaere. I am trying to remain positive but I know it’s difficult. The weather is starting to slowly warm up and I am getting a bit antsy about doing some shooting. Well, I still have my other stuff to shoot. The only thing that bothers me is the fact that I have paid for the rifle already. I would think that Canada Ammo ordered enough rifles to have some extras in stock. I estimate they brought over about 1200 rifles and that actually could be part of the problem that’s going on. I think the guys at customs pooped their drawers when they opened the container. Hang in there.

  • CraigN

    I thought some questions might be in order, maybe give us something to read while we are in wait mode…
    - Is Chris from Canada Ammo on this site?
    - What is “FRT pulling” as it relates to these guns?
    - If the guns are classified as prohib for whatever reason do they get sent back to China? Is Canada Ammo on the hook? That would make being in this type of business incredibly difficult.
    - If the Tavor is NR why would the Norinco be anything but NR?
    - Interesting that the CNFA is following the shipment. I’m curious what impact they may have on accelerating the clearance of the guns. My impression is that someone, somewhere has some veto like power to put certain guns on a list with no recourse to allow for removal from the list.
    - I waited almost a year to get my AI rifle so waiting is not a huge issue, expectations are the issue. If the 97s show up by the fall I’m happy.
    - This gun is on the edge in so many ways, overall length, potential for mag capacity, concealability, scary look(?), in some ways it makes sense that there should be some due diligence, I’ve seen way too many legal gun owners acting like they are in a video game simply because they got their hands on some interesting gun.
    - realistically I don’t know if this is a “varmit gun” in fairness to the animal a .223 from a short light barrel at any distance might not create a significant wound, especially in a pig. There are dozens of better varmit guns around.
    - Tracers are fun but certainly up the ante on danger potential. Other than the fire potential the round tends to bounce more than a ball round.
    - if you have not been to the Norinco site you should – they make some amazing stuff.

  • urbaneddy

    There is no way he sold that many rifles that quickly. I believe his system has stock counting and will not sell unless it is available and the site will say “sold out” under that product. I’ve got passed the excited point and now on to the “gets here when it does I guess”. I’ll only give up if it gets re-classified. They’ve been here a while as restricted, so if anything, that’s what will happen. “scary looking” or not, it’s FRT was approved. Might as well start prohibiting scary looking steak knives. No doubt, after opening the container AND all the crazy shootings in that area, that CBSA was concerned, and we should be grateful we have people dedicated to looking out for our national security, but it’s been reviewed long enough. If they are listening: “PLEASE LET OUR RIFLES GO”

  • CanadianBeef

    Reclassification will not happen, The hold up is not the product, it is this size of the product order that is causing the delay issue.
    these Type-97 are extreamly close to the size and all around specs of the Tavor, and they had no problem with these being non-restricted, keep in mind the order size for the Tavor’s was less than a quarter the size of the Type-97 order.
    Hold in there they will come.

  • stormtrooper1015

    I wonder why the size of the order bothered CBSA this time, but with previous orders, it wasn’t an issue… I’ll base that on the belief that Canada Ammo has brought in several other shipping containers full of firearms. I bet you can pack a poop load of $99 pistols into a shipping container ;-)

    With respect to re-classification, the only substantive difference between the ones currently sold by Lever’s (the longer barrel version) is length (and who says size doesn’t matter). And it’s being sold, appropriately so as restricted. If there were something else wrong with the gun – action – operation – converted receivers, etc, they would have been prohibited from entering the country years ago – this wasn’t the case.

    Hopefully it sorts itself out soon, and we’ll see delivery begin in short order. In the interim, I’ll use the Tavor to dispatch varmints to a higher plain of existence… And with respect to the .223 being a good varmint caliber, I’ve had no complaints from any of the Yotes or Squeeks over the years…

  • Dennis Beifus

    Thanks for keeping up the thread guys. We have to maintain a positive attiitude here. I tend to agree with the theory that the size of the shipment could have caused problems, but you know, even 1200 rfles spread out across Canada is a drop in the bucket. Most people will probably never see one on a range. I also agree that if the Tavor’s can make it to market then why not the Type 97′s? The culprits here are not the people at Canada Ammo but the customs and RCMP and whoever is backing them up. My theory is, they can’t hold them up forever. Pretty soon it will be shit or get off the pot.

  • CraigN

    223 is a fine calibre for varmits, that is what I use but in a longer heavy barrel as it is faster and more accurate so I’m not at all arguing, just not sure this would be the first gun I would pull out for a 500y shot on a small moving target if you know what I mean.
    I was curious, do we know how the Norinco rifles shoot at 100 yards? I have a couple of their pistols and they are somewhere in the middle as far as accuracy goes, rather impressive really, do we know what the twist on these are?? The rail attached to the barrel on the second picture looks really great.

  • Dennis Beifus

    The barrel twist is 1:7 In theory the heavier bullet would work better for this amount of twist. Somewhere about 62 grains. The .223cal. works fine supposedly in the Type 97A. I think as far as varmint hunting is concerned, it would be a better choice to use a longer barrel than 18.5″ I still think it would be fun to take the 97A out after coyotes. Heck, with a 10 round magazine, just keep pulling the trigger until you hit what you want. O.K. That’s not the way to hunt but the 97A is meant to push out lots of lead in a short time. I will see what kind of groupings you can get at 100 yards but I wouldn’t suppose it would be too tight.

  • Sean

    Order Processed today! Yippee! now the real waiting begins.

  • stormtrooper1015

    I concur… definitely not a “Long” range varmint gun… 100-200m should be more than adequate to get the job done, depending on the optics. With respect to barrel length, we’re consistently hitting 6″ steel plates with Diemaco 11″ barrels at 200 meters. The 18.7″ Norinco should be at least capable of that… Rumor also has it the trigger is nicer than the Tavor (which I find a little mushy). If I can get 2-3 minutes out of it, I’ll be more than happy.

    Might be worth bringing out for this fall’s deer hunting… load up something in the 62-75 grain range with 1300-1400lbs of punch… Hmmmm….

  • Dennis Beifus

    Anyone know where I can purchase the 62 grain bullets I mentioned. I mean the whole cartridge not just the bullets for a reasonable price? I actually have some 45 grain cartridges. I don’t think they would be very accurate as they go like a bat out of hell. ( 3500fps ) Too fast. I know the 55 grains are O.K. and will work. It would be wonderful to find a supplier that sells the actual 5.56 x 45 military rounds. Perfect fit and more oomf.

  • urbaneddy

    Canam has the PMC ammo back in stock. I got lots of Lapua in 69gn, but never actually seen factory 64 anywhere. American Eagle might have it in 62gn. I loaded 300 rounds of 64gn SP winchesters to test. The Type97 is definetly not what I’ll be hunting varmint with(I’ll stick to my Tikka tactical .223), but I’ll take it out back packing through the fields incase any issues arise. After all, they’re saying because of the rail size, that a scope will not fit well, plus the damn thing sits so high(carry handle). I’ll stick with Burris’ fast fire.

  • CraigN

    Wolverine has some 63 & 64 g not cheap though compared to 45g

  • Dennis Beifus

    I saw some good groupings on CGN with a Type 97 at 75 yards using a 4 MOA red dot. Apparently the 62 grain or higher will increase the accuracy somewhat. I agree with urbaneddy as far as the scope goes. The lower the better. My little Docter reflex sight will be O.K. I hope. Similar to the Burris.

  • urbaneddy

    Today I wrote a letter my local MP and to the safety minister in the house of commons in regards to this unconstitional hold of our goods. There is no reason why they are holding them for so long with no communication to the dealer. I advise that everybody does the same. We can’t go through this everytime something fun comes to our market. OK, a lot showed up at the port, they did there inspection and testing………. No where is the results? If we let them do this without expressing how we feel about it, they’ll keep doing it over and over. I will wait for the Type97 until the bitter(or sweet) end.

  • Dennis Beifus

    I am with you urbaneddy. Can you supply addresses as to where to send the mail. I am sick of having my rights trampled on. They could at least let us know one way or the other what the decision is on the Type 97′s I have money tied up here like a lot of others I am sure. The RCMP should pay for the VISA interest. I just want my rifle and I will go peacefully into the sunset after coyotes. This is turning out to be a political mess.

  • urbaneddy

    http://www2.parl.gc.ca/Parlinfo/Compilations/HouseOfCommons/MemberByPostalCode.aspx?Menu=HOC

    Look through this site, and has all the info you need. your letter needs to be vague but informative. Ask them to also support bill C301. Keep it calm and sophistacated that way you’ll get the message across in a civilized manner.

  • CraigN

    What surprises me is if RCMP or whoever are getting these shipments and holding them for 2 months or longer, there must be a massive facility somewhere that is getting bigger and bigger everyday of the week. Since those are government that means you and I are paying for storage facilities.

  • Dennis Beifus

    I just sent off letters to my MP and to the CFC regarding the Type 97A. I await results. Hang in there guys. This rifle can’t stay in limbo forever. lol

  • Dennis Beifus

    Just had a reply from CFC/RCMP and they said they needed more info from me personally. I sent everything I had so they can hopefully answer my questions regarding the status of the Type 97A. I have tried to be as diplomatic as possible and hope to get some kind of results.

  • Sean

    The shipment is large. I wonder if they have to check every rifle? whoa that would take awhile. Looked at a mini 30 today just in case. But i’m hanging in till the end aswell!

  • stormtrooper1015

    I think it’s a combination of agencies desperately trying to find a way to disallow the T97′s entry into Canada… CBSA probably looked through everything they had, and found nothing to stop the import… Eureka!… Let the Mounties have at it… so off goes a sample to the inspection lab for some tinkering and fine tooth combing… Now keeping in mind that the RCMP had already inspected and approved the T97 in it’s restricted form (shorter barrel). And there exists a current FRT for the non-restricted longer barrel version… So two things can happen… the RCMP “discovered” something that would re-classify the gun, which would mean that they made errors in 3 earlier inspections and assessments (Compact 97 / restricted and non-restricted barrel lengths). Or, they have nothing, and are bouncing it back to CBSA to look for another void to stuff them in… Hopefully when the two Federal Agencies are done ping-ponging the matter into each others courts, the shipment will be released… Fingers crossed…

  • Dennis Beifus

    I truly believe that the RCMP have nothing and are trying desperatly to find something. I think that when they realized that the 10 round LAR15 mag was legal to use in the T97′s they may have had pause to think about it. Of course there is nothing they can do but stall and hope everyone asks for their money back. That will be a snowy day in hell at least for me. I had a dream last night about being at the range and just rattling through a 10 round clip as fast as I could squeeze them off. The look on the other shooters faces was WTF. I have made sure I have a printed letter to carry with me regarding the legality of the LAR15 magazines just in case there is a duddly-do-right ready to question me. Yes it has happened before with my Mini14 in which I had a 30 round mag ( pinned to 5 ) but the guy next to me was sure I fired more than 5 shots. Can hardly wait to get even with the fellow. I’ll make sure I take the bench on his left side so he is covered in brass. Naw, I am more polite than that:) Most of the time. Hate do gooders. Live and let live.

  • Dennis Beifus

    I should have more detailed information next week from my sources and the people I wrote letters to. I am trying to remain positive and I don’t think the RCMP has any options open to them considering that bullpup rifles are already out there. I reminded my MP that it would take an order in council to stop the Type 97A’s and that the new lawmakers are not the RCMP. An order in council would take too much time from the governments schedule as the economy is in trouble. Just a thought.

    Sell more guns = more taxes for the government IMHO

  • Throttle_monkey1

    Guys, the RCMP can and will reclassify at will. They did it with marstars vz58s, which were held and reclassed from restricted to prohib.

    The same thing could happen with our 97s. These scumbag beaurocrats could do it, and then all canada ammo or marstar can do is appeal it, costing time and money. I am absolutely disgusted at the bs pulled by the rcmp.

    When the police start making laws, you live in a police state. I have written my mp and peter van loan as well.

  • urbaneddy

    As Sh*tty as that sounds, I believe you are right. But I would still recommend those who ordered to hold on to there orders until will know for FACT what is going to happen. I believe Canam is sitting down with them soon to discuss this matter. I’m glad to see that people are expressing there rights on paper and voicing the situation properly, otherwise, we may see the samething happen over and over.

  • Dennis Beifus

    I am starting to get really depressed over the wait for my rifle. So many rumours and crap flying around. Any words of hope out there people. Shit, I just want to shoot and have some fun. I am tired of writing letters and not getting a response. It’s hard to remain positive. Canada Ammo says to hang in there. Fine for them to say, but they have my money already.

  • urbaneddy

    Well, it seems that Leverarms’ T97 were reclassified as prohibs according to someone who called CFC. Now whether or not this guy is stiring the pot, we do not know for sure, but it has been known to happen. I personally will not judge or compromise my order based on one persons info. What we do know now for sure, is that the T97′s have been removed from the Leverarms website which is not a good sign. My guess, is that perhaps some components from the ones leverarms had could possible fit some fullauto receiver parts, but hopefully this is not the case for Canam. Looks like we should start praying after all. I am still staying to the end though.

  • CanadianBeef

    RCMP did not reclassify the VZ58, Marstar still sells them as restricted, they were never prohibs, there next shipment in June will also be restricted.
    sorry someone gave you bad info.

  • Dennis Beifus

    So people. Looks like we are royally and truly F**ked. They are classifying some restricted rifles ( so far the shorter 97′s ) to prohibited. Does this mean that I shouldn’t be looking at ” any ” rifle that is restricted even though I have a restricted license? I don’t know if I should shit myself or ask for a refund or what. So what’s next. A door to door search for ” illegal ” arms? Guess they’ve got use and the firearms dealers where they want us.

  • CHAO5

    It’s not over yet…. The T97A could be a completely different firearm. If anything we are going to be in a good place with C301. Write your MP and ask for details / declare your support.

  • CanadianBeef

    I still think we have a good chance of getting what we paid for ” a Type-97A non-restricted”
    Keep in mind that all those people that bought the Tavor as a non-restricted still own it as a non-restricted……. I think we will be in good shape…..
    CFA seems to be more picky when it comes to restricted rifles, and these are not so keep your chin up and all will be well !

  • remi

    I’m really torn at this point. I’d be using that money to get a Norinco M4, but I’d prefer a T-97 in non-restricted. I have my restricted PAL, but a non-restricted is way more convenient for sure.

    I know I can’t be the only one worried about their $ 900. If it does come through, what stops them from reclassifying them in a year and we’re left with 12.5 paperweights or full confiscation.

    If it doesn’t come through, when do see our money back?

  • CanadianBeef

    on another note, Marstar will also be selling the Type-97A as a non-restricted, this will probably happen late summer.
    another reason to believe we will be in good shape with our current orders.

  • Dennis Beifus

    I sent a letter to Mr. Van Loan regarding the hassle with the Type 97A’s.

  • urbaneddy

    We need to spread the word more and push the letters to there door step. There is no need for this Bullsh!t. RCMP have way over stepped there boudaries here. I’ve seen lots of different templates that look great and should be sent off right away before Canam’s meeting. Having your refund done now only shows that you don’t really care about the situation enough. Keep your orders queued until the end. We have the right to own Type97A rifles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Dennis Beifus

    Hear. Hear. urbaneddy. Well said. We DO have the right to own and use the Type97A. By the way, Van Coat is the minister in charge of public safety. Thanks for the pep talk urbaneddy!!!!

  • CHAO5

    Looks like some ppl are bailing.. I’m sticking it out.

  • CanadianBeef

    We have waited this long why bail now ? I can’t see it being that much longer, they are having a lot of pressure put on them cause of these rifles. lets hope things get moving within the next few weeks.
    If you are thinking about packing it in, please stick it out if not you will regret it.

  • urbaneddy

    This topic is starting to quiet down. Just as long as we stay loud with our Government………… That’s what matters right now. I’m a little nervous about the line up for refunds though. That’s not good for Canam during this fight. If anything, they should just order something else he has to offer to give him the business. Lets face it, he goes down, who else is willing to bring in these types of toys. KEEP THOSE LETTERS, FAXES, AND EMAILS ROLLING!!!

  • CraigN

    It seems that this is like a bit of a “gun buyer support group”. Does anyone know what Canadaammo is currently being told, or does Chris have any comment?

  • CanadianBeef

    I’m not sure what they have herd, but the site now says arrival date: spring 2009, so it is looking good by the sounds of it.

  • urbaneddy

    Chris has been quiet about this . He doesn’t want to say something, and then have it changed because people will hold him to his word. I would do the same thing. Once he knows something for sure, he will post it, until then, just keep calling and writing the letters. The people demanding money back will be very disappointed when they arrive, but are sold out. All we know right now is that these rifles are still under review and any previous Type97′s(restricted version) that are already here cannot be transfered until the review is finished. I’ve got way to much ammo pressed and accessories purchased to just give up on this rifle.

  • Dennis Beifus

    Just making up another letter to send to Van Loat. Never got a reply from the last one. Sick of these guys!!

  • Chao5

    …well any updates? :)

  • Dennis Beifus

    Not much being said about the 97A. I assume it is prohibited or the RCMP will sit on it till the year 3000. I just said screw it and got myself an M4 which I ordered and recieved in 4 days flat. I recommend this rifle to anyone who still wants a black rifle. It is, however restricted, but at least I have it. No hassles no problems. A great rifle.

  • CanadianBeef

    Well, It’s looking good for the Type-97, I finally got threw to somebody at the RCMP, well they didn’t tell me it was cleared, but he pretty much said if they didn’t want them in Canada they would have already been gone. without saying to much it sounds like we are going to get are rifles, as for when I couldn’t get any sort of date out of him.
    hope this helps, I know it sucks I have prepaid for 2 of them myself and have a few friends that are in the same boat, we made a pact to stick it out till it gets resolved, which will be soon hopefully.

  • Pracman

    Long time reader first time caller. Hopefully great news CBeef. I just checked when I sent my order – July 08. I’m sticking with these guys – they do a great job and I’ve bought a lot of fun things off them. Keep the support going. Final stretch now maybe ?

  • T97

    Hi Dennis, can u tell where u ordered the m4 rifle? thanks

  • Dennis Beifus

    I ordered my M4 through Frontier Arms. I noted that you are T97. How goes the battle to get the T97A. Just curious. I think that if we are going to start talking about the M4 then we should find the appropriate part of this blog to do so as this is meant for T97 people. I sincerely hope they get their rifles. Just because I jumped ship doesn’t mean everyone should follow.

  • urbaneddy

    well Dennis, I bailed too. I got an AR180B so all my mags and rounds don’t got to waste. Did you get your refund yet? I’m still waiting for a cheque. I’m going to cash it and put it back on my card to buy something else from him after this sh!t storm clears. I’ll wait to see what he gets in the next while. I still hope the guys and gals hanging in there get there T97′s soon though.

  • Dennis Beifus

    Hello urbaneddy. Surprised to see you jumped ship. ( was wondering what that splash was beside me ) I still want a T97A but the chances look too slim. If you used VISA or a charge card of some type, they will credit back to your card directly so don’t wait for a cheque. I was refunded in about one and a half weeks. Don’t expect your $100.00 back though as they can hold onto that till the rifles are either sent back to China or declared officially prohibited ( in which case they might as well send them back ) I asked Steve if there was a forum here for black rifles or more specifically the AR’s and their clones. What did you pay for the AR180B ?
    I am just loving my M4. Shoots very well, no problems or hassles. It is restricted though. Is yours? My LAR15 mags. work beautifully in it. I just recieved my goodies from Marstar. Bipod, handle rail, forend rail and a strobe/laser. Talk to you again.

  • urbaneddy

    Dennis,

    Yeah, I just have a bad feeling the RCMP are going to hold on far longer than I’m willing to wait(obviously). We’ll see what happens. My AR180B-2 is non-restricted and I just put a beautiful Bushnell T-dot on it and it looks great. I got it for $1340 shipped to my door. I’ve got one of the orginal Norinco CQ311 carry handle models and it works flawlessly, typical AR performance.If Steve allows pics from photo bucket, I’ll post some pics. I haven’t given up the 97A, just do see why I should have it paid for when there may not be an official decision for a while. Once I’m settled here in Edmonton, I’ll switch my RPAL to here and pick up one of those M4′s. What’s your review on China’s first carbine AR to Canada? Cheers

  • http://www.thefirearmblog.com Steve

    gentleman, I have written a blog post about the Norinco M4:

    http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/04/15/chinese-cq-m4-being-sold-in-canada/

    urbaneddy, I can post photos if you email them to me. Email address is on the Contact page.

  • Ink

    I thought canadianbeef said it looks good for t97? anyway, it seem like many countries switching to bullpup design. i handled shorter rifles and submachin guns. Ahh, they are sweet. Big diffrence from regular full length military rifles. Are they your first rifles, guys? i already have CZ 58 and russian SKS, so i feel in no rush to give up on t97. cheeres.

  • Dennis Beifus

    I am not sure how many countries are switching to a bullpup type design. I have seen on the net that there are a number of countries, usually within the Chinese sphere of influence, that have adopted the bullpup, in particular, the QBZ95 (T97 to us ) No, these would not be our first rifles. Hang in there. Perhaps they will be released some time.

  • CanadianBeef

    I am gonna hang in till the end, but in the mean time I bought a Ruger Mini 14, I picked up a used one for $600, damm good deal. and just waiting for my TMCS stock. I wanted something in semi .223 non-restricted so the MINI 14 works great, have a look on the net there is a Troy Modular chassis system that converts your Mini 14 into a battlefield gun… they look sweet all done up, it accepts all the AR stuff like grip buttstock , etc……… when its all put together it looks very sweet and even better that it’s non-restricted, looks like a futuristic AR… I have a picture of one, here are some links..a few different pics……..

    http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/1475/mini14troy.jpg

    http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/4435/trysm14min.jpg

    http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/875/trysm14min01.jpg

    have a look, the Troy Modular Chassis System goes for $500 U.S.
    Fabsports is gonna be getting them I think he’s selling for $600 can.
    so for just over a grand you can have a sweet assault rifle non-restricted.
    The Chassis is made from Aircraft aluminum, so well worth every penny

  • Ink

    It looks like Magup masada rifle, which is touted to be a truly all around rifle and higly cutomizable rifle that came out in years.

  • Ink

    but i still want a bullpup :)

  • T97

    Hi Guys,

    1. BC government is in election. During this period, no big decision will be made and all big decisions will be left to new government. So I do not expect we can get any news in about a month if BC RCMP is under lead of BC government.

    2. I am wondering how (BC) government is going to recover the lose sufferred by CanadaAmmo if T97A is declared as prohibited. Once the contract was signed between CanadaAmmo and Norinco, CanadaAmmo probably can not void it and probably can not simply ship it back to China to let Norinco burden the lose. Anyway, Chinese PLA is using 5.8mm caliber T97 and there is no way for PLA to equip themselves with 5.62 mm caliber (semi-auto firing mechinics, magazine slot on receiver and magazine lock system were all modified and different original version). On the other hand, BC cuts its budget significantly due to the downturn of economy, there is no way neither for government to take the lose, although it pre-approved this transaction.

    3. Leverarms stopped selling T97 on Mar. 24. That is to say the sell was good until that date. However, I believe most of us here put our orders before that date. So I am wondering if it is fair for the government to restrict us from owning T97 that was purchased before the cut-off date. If I was not unhappy to see Leverarms always pursue unreasonable high profit margin (T97A @ $1160 vs $849, M14s @ $699 vs @ $399, 1911A1 @ $499 vs $329 etc.) I would have already got it. SxxKs!

    4. I have been visiting this websit for a long time and it is my first time to put opinion here, although I am not sure if what I understand is right or not. Anyway, I should appreciate all you guys to share your information by this chance, including Dennis regarding M4.

    Let’s see what will happen on T97A

  • T97

    I made a typo–T97A is 5.56mm. sorry1

  • http://cmblake6.wordpress.com cmblake6

    You mentioned the Tavor. OMG, how much will that cost?!?! I want one of these 97s, just because it would be weird and unusual. A Tavor would be one hellacious proven battle rifle!

  • Phil

    @ T97,

    I don’t see how the BC provincial elections affects the RCMP. The RCMP is federal so those matters would have to be dealt with from Ottawa unless I’m mistaken.

  • Jolly

    It took me a good half hour to read through all of you guy’s comments.

    Ever since I learned of this rifle, I’ve been doing as much research as I can on it…this is the only hot topic discussions I’ve found on the QBZ 97.

    I live a bit down South of you guys, and as soon as ya’ll receive your Norinco Type-97A’s in; I’m placing an order with a broker, along with an ATF form 6, so that I may legally import one into the US.

    This Weapon System for me is a toy that I really want. :)

    …Zombies? LOL!

  • urbaneddy

    Jolly,

    Sorry, but there is no way in hell that the BATF or ATF will ever allow a “Norinco” into your country for any reason you can think of. You can thank Clinton for that one(he banned all Chinese firearms). So you should go for the Kel-Tec RFB. It’s the same as the Type 97A except it’s American made, and it’s in .308(drool). Jesus, you can even AK47′s in Bullpups in the US. As I’ve said before, you guys(US) have always had it better than us with firearms, let us have this one!! (LOL)

  • http://cmblake6.wordpress.com cmblake6

    urbaneddy, no. That thing is too cool for only y’all to have. I saw it on Stargate Atlantis, in use, and I thought “We must overturn all the silly restrictions on our 2A since 1934″. You too! You are a separate nation, on this continent. You deserve the same freedoms we supposedly enjoy. I mean, after all, you guys get the 97 and we don’t?!?! I’m totally cool with you having the KT, I just want a 97!

  • urbaneddy

    cmblake6, *IF* these rifles make it to our market, I’ll trade you even for a keltec. I could only dream to get the cool stuff you guys can get like a semi auto .50 BMG rifle or a classIII license. The USA has the best weapons manufacturers in the world, but here in Canuckistan, we are very limited to what we can own. Yeah US rifles cost a lot more, but you pay for what you get,but I own a lot of Norinco products and the only difference I find is the exterior finish is usually terrible. Anyway, I wish I could call Clinton and see if I can’t change his mind about Chinese firearms!! You’d think with being neighbors for so long, that our gov could learn something from yours.

  • http://cmblake6.wordpress.com cmblake6

    Like I said, you guys should be as free as us, and we should revoke every gun law passed since the communist infiltrators started hitting in the ’30s. I’d be totally cool with you guys having all the stuff we have, and both of us having more than we do. :)

  • http://cmblake6.wordpress.com cmblake6

    And, trade me even? You looked at the price tags? 2 for 1, by Humphrey!

  • urbaneddy

    OK,OK, you’re right. I’ll throw in…..um…….2 boxes of 5.56mm, a bottle of fresh maple syrop, a touque, and a case of beer. And I agree, there should be no restrictions on any firarms ever made for us, the only thing that should hold us back is the $. Cheers

  • http://cmblake6.wordpress.com cmblake6

    Cheers!

  • Ink

    speaking about communist infiltrators, you know how it goes: first it is restriction on some firearms, then it is the restriction on acquisition of the new ones, then it is confiscation, and finally it is the mark of the beast if you want to get some food. Mind you they will tell you that it is all for your own safty! Communist..hmm..or do i detect budding horns and faint smell of sulfur?!

  • Ink

    Yesterday night i have learned from a regional representitive for Canadian Shooting Sports Assoc. that there is a big push to prohibit even more models and makes.

  • Ink

    check this out, i guess it is an old news, but still….it feels like it was a dry run for a larger scale operation, because why would they bother the people that wanted to stay. give them warning that if they are in trouble the help will not come and let them stay, but no they needed to be forced!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4

  • urbaneddy

    Ink, this is why we have to push our Gov’t even more. The more they prohibit, the more people want them. This is a very bad idea for the gov’t. I seriously believe that there is more unregistered in Canada than registered, so you take away Joe Normals rifles and every other legal law abiding citizens rights, and all the illegal guns are still out there. It’s not like criminals buy off the street and then register them right? So what the hell do they think will happen. God damn Liberals need to get there heads out of their asses.

  • Ink

    McLean’s magazine several issues back had a very interesting article on most dangerous cities in Canada. They did not discuss guns per se, but the pictures attending the articles were very telling. the photos were of the police showing off the fire arms taken away from criminals and the fir arms on display were all prohibited!!! prohibited meaning they can not cross Canadian border under any circumstances!!! so how did criminals got them?! not by passing a safety course and getting PAL! The police desks were full of Kalashnikovs, , silences, uzi type smg with threaded barrels for screwing on the before mention silences, extended magazines (like really really extended – like 50 cm long), short barrel pistols – you name it. But of course the average reader has no clue that all of these are prohibited. So if legally owned guns are taken away, you end up with all the scum armed to the teeth and not with neutered guns were are allowed, but with the real stuff. Anyway… you and I know that but the general public can and WILL be easily misled into passing the laws which will leave the nation at the mercy of murderess, rapists, tyrants, their henchmen and all sorts of evil people who are not happy living normal life, but happy only when other people are crying. I like to read history, and time after time the same thing happen: the government go bad sooner or later, and when they do, the armed criminals are not the problem, but the control of the masses (read control of you and me) is the problem, and guess who gets the job of controlling masses done for tyrants, armed criminals. It is difficult to judge from one anti gun law, but if you look back at the laws that Canadian government introduces over the years, it becomes painfully clear that the goal is not safety, but draining the general public of the fire arms. Sometimes their “safety” laws make no sense whatsoever, unless you approach it with the goal of disarming general public en mass. Why in Switzerland every male MUST have a full auto rifle under his bed, but here government is afraid you and me having a neutered Chinese bullpup!? It is not safety, that is for sure.

  • CHAO5

    So… any new news?

  • bps24

    I gave an email to Chris at canada ammo asking about the release date, they said “They can hold them as long as they like. We do not have an ETA, they are not returning our calls. They are trying to stall.” They have tried to find out a release date, but the agency involved is supposedly not answer their calls. I’m frustrated, so I contacted the OFAH (my member organization) and now they are going to get involved. When I find out more I post again.

  • Shannon

    I ordered a type 97 from Canadaammo and have been told not to pay (TD bank money transfer) just yet. Are these guns classified non-restricted again? They were NR, then prohibited, then unclassified. Im not sure what they are classified now, and if we will ever get to buy them.

    Im eye-balling the “almost” ak 47 at Marstar now…… I will wait but not forever.

    Any news anyone?

    This will cost CA money if it costs them sales. Personally Id be suing the government for lost revenue if this is the case.

  • http://cmblake6.wordpress.com cmblake6

    Ink says:
    “It is difficult to judge from one anti gun law, but if you look back at the laws that Canadian government introduces over the years, it becomes painfully clear that the goal is not safety, but draining the general public of the fire arms. Sometimes their “safety” laws make no sense whatsoever, unless you approach it with the goal of disarming general public en mass. Why in Switzerland every male MUST have a full auto rifle under his bed, but here government is afraid you and me having a neutered Chinese bullpup!? It is not safety, that is for sure.”
    And you’re right. A man or woman with a gun is a citizen, without you are a serf.

  • CanadianBeef

    Man this waiting is really starting to blow bad !

    anyone have any recent updates or herd anything new ?

    I am confident that we will get them, it’s just a matter of how long will it be before they are released.
    They can’t store them forever !
    Please release them and focus on something of importance. like maybe try to stop the smuggling of illegal firearms into Canada, and leave us target shooters / hunters alone. if we stop everything that looks different from coming into the country, oh man we would be in a whole world of trouble.
    This Type-97 is new and different from the norm, we should be welcoming it with open arms !
    Come on Canada get your priority’s straight.

    I think it would only be fair to have someone that is involved with this situation to post on this sight in regards to the Type-97, and the reasons why they are still being held ?

    Thanks.

  • ZENOS

    I sent an e-mail to Van Loan , when do you think he will answer me back haha

  • canada

    Unfortunately the governments scheme is much bigger than just de-arming criminals. Look at the gun laws in Britain, Australia and the continuous pressure our own government is exerting on us. We’re trained people with legal classification to own and operate firearms and people who’ve never even shot an airrifle before who use little push and pull issues like gun registration to slide their way into federal power. They’re planning for a future much different than today, and it’s ignorant of us not to see this.

    Beyond the whole gun issue for a second, just take a look around at all the problems we have in the world right now. 1) China is the worlds new superpower, 2) USA owes itself to China, 3) Markets have crashed all over the world, and despite the quieting down of news coverage on this crisis, it is still very real, and things aren’t getting that much better. Just look at your investments for proof. They tried fixing the problem with more money that they didn’t have, a very classy and typical act by american politicians, closely followed by canadian politicians. 4) people the earth is getting hotter and hotter as the glaciers both north and south of us are melting more and more. Im not a 1970′s tree hugger but I am a damn smart person who knows a lot about the environment and the shit thats going on behind closed doors. The only thing that keeps this earth from drying out into a complete desert like mars, IS THE GLACIERS! The sun will literally fry us in no time without the glaciers. They don’t even have to melt completely for mayhem to begin, then what, dig caves and live underground? Try telling that to 7 billion people. 5) Peak oil ladies and gents, thats right for atleast a couple years now the amount of oil which we consume has surpassed the amount which we are finding and extracting from the earth. Yup, that means we’ve been on a downward spiral with oil supplies since around 2007. Pretty much 80 percent of our world runs off cheap and toxic oil. So as we can see, our entire system needs a revamp, way to many things are done backwards and irrationally. But you can’t just change a planet’s societal infrastructure overnight. This is something that takes decades, but MOST IMPORTANTLY PEOPLE, the government and many informed people know that such a project cannot be successful without a decreased population on the planet. The earths carrying capacity is way overdue and before the government puts any money and effort into remodeling society completely, they know they must decrease the population.

    Something big is coming people, and the only way we can defend ourselves legitimately is with firearms and numbers. The government knows and has known for years that our 2 biggest cards against them is our free will to congregate and share a common interest with our fellow people, and our legal right to own and use firearms. We’re pretty close to a police state people, weather you see it or not. We all know what martial law is, and if not than read up on it yourself. It’s the governments sneaky way to disarm all it’s citizens by force of the military in a national crisis. Well turns out a national crisis isn’t to hard to imagine, especially considering the things i’ve just mentioned. This is just the tip of the iceberg, I could write on for hours about the things they’ve been putting in our food, water, the diseases which have been designed in laboratories and than magically appear in 3rd world countries (swine flu in mexico, aids pandemic in africa, do you really think the g7 nations care about those 3rd world people and what they can offer to them? Like common people wake up and smell the coffee. All I ask is that we be prepared. Have a survival kit made up, have lots of ammunition at bay, have your bolts and actions greased, keep lots of extra canned food, rice, and bulk multi vitamins around. Stop thinking inside the little box we were born into (especially americans, canadians, and the brits). Do you think people were ready for ww1, the holocaust, ww2, the de-colonization of africa/india, vietnam, jfk’s assassination and the list goes on. Only the people who weren’t ignorant saw these things coming, everyone else just lived their american dream and aided the bistander effect. Our own country is only 142 years old, some of our great grandparents were around when it began, just take a look at whats happened since then, we didn’t even have airplanes or cars a little over a hundred years ago, so stop thinking change takes a long time to happen, it can happen in a single explosion, a phone call, or the signing of a federal law enacating martial law aka an obvious police state, were already experiencing an unobvious one.

  • canada

    St. Augustine- An unjust law is not a law at all.
    Rationality determines right and wrong actions, not a government influenced by uncountable factors

  • ZENOS

    CHECK REX 84-FEMA it is closer than You think

  • CanadianBeef

    Sorry, but I am not sure where the Type-97 falls into play here ?

    lets stay on topic, and maybe try to help figure out how to get or rifles released, as they are sitting with the RCMP collecting dust.

    If they were prohibited, they would have been sent back long ago, we need to keep fighting to get our rifles, it sucks waiting, but will all be worth while when your firing off your T-97 !

  • CanadianReich

    Chris from Canada Ammo says it may be a few YEARS waiting for the type 97…..im in for the long haul. Im paitent! :)

    Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 3:40 PM
    >Subject: Re: checking in
    >
    >
    >>yes, eventually. it is looking more like court, so could be 2-3
    >>years, but who knows at this point.
    >>
    >>Chris
    >>
    >>At Monday 11:31 AM 17/08/2009, you wrote:
    >>>Any word on the Type 97s?
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>Its not a matter of “if” but “when” right?
    >>>
    >>>Shannon
    >>>

  • CanadianReich

    Oh, regarding the M4 carbine vs the Norinco Type 97……I did a tone of reseach into both of these a few months back…hell, alot of guns. I am taking up competitive shooting and just hobby shooting in general.

    The M4 Carbine by Norinco is a good gun, as are any newly produced Norinco guns (older ones had quality issues some say, such as the older sks). The only problem is the M4 of any type can not compete with the Type 97 at all, in terms of reliablity. I looked at some USA “stress test” stastics on the M4 and it failed horribly in dust with many stopages. What with its short barell Im sure the accuracy of a long bullpup style barell is much better. The type 97 is also not a copy but a primary production of Norinco, used by the Chinese military. It has great all cliamate reliablity and incorperates more modern technology then the older M16 platform rifles (M4).

    Anyway the Norinco M4 may be a good M4 but the Type 97 is a superior choice, imo.

  • Wingman chiu

    Are you guys gonna be interested in type 97/97B picatiny tactical rail system if I can get it?

  • CanadianBeef

    Wingman,

    The rail system is already available for sale in Canada. anyone can buy it.
    Thanks anyways.

  • Wingman chiu

    ok, thanks for the info, one more question, do I need a licence to import picatinny system into Canada?

  • http://cmblake6.wordpress.com cmblake6

    I want one. That simple. I’ve got all sorts of nifty stuff, but I want one of those.
    Mind you, with Hussein in DC, what are my chances? Bah!

  • CanadianBeef

    I don’t believe so.

  • ZENOS

    I just got back from Tenn. going in a gun store there makes you see just how screwed we are up here almost makes me want to move there.

  • Tommy

    I paid the full amount for one Type97 in February of this year. I like to ask other buyers to work together to get our rifles released by the RCMP. Should we form a coalition to help ourselves? Please post your comments here.

  • Jim

    It is interesting to see the magazine well differences between the 97 and 95 versions of the rifle. You would think there would be more fundamental differences there. Makes you wonder what

    Being Chinese myself, I know one of two things that ring true about the Chinese. They jump at any opportunity and distrust foreigners. And just like that you can try this weapon along with numerous other European/US/Russian weapons through a Chinese tour aimed at gun enthusiasts (no pun intended). But at the same time they refuse to let you take a used cartridge or two, touch anything without their permission first and watch you like a hawk.

    Whether we like to admit it or not, we are indirectly contributing to an enlargement of their military and global influence by buying their weapons and many other goods. And I for certain do not want them to eclipse the US/EU, like many predict and start influencing the world for their benefit but to the detriment of others.

    They view everything as an opportunity regardless of the implications. You need not look at further than Sudan, Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe, DPR Congo, Burma (Myanmar), North Korea and the list goes on. These countries are all provided the bulk of their weapons and training from China. Yet they are all in the news for reasons we prefer did not happen.

    I hope no english fluent Norinco employees are reading this blog, they must be rubbing their hands with glee, right about now.

    Hopefully I did not come across patronising or offensive. That was not my intention. I simply hope people consider the ethical implications of their choices. It is sometimes not brought to everyones attention. Even though the gun laws seem restrictive. I am appreciative to have been born in a “western” country and as such like paying my taxes each year, knowing that my government does care about what I think. Remember we may not have all of these luxaries in the future if China is able to take more from the ever shrinking global resource pile that we all share.

  • ink

    American govn’t should have considered “the ethical implications of their choice” when it betrayed american people and moved 2/3 of all industry out of US.

  • zenos

    Have any of you been in touch with your MPs , it seems that the RCMP has been telling them that the QBZ is full auto and that there is a court case so they cannot comment further . Pretty bad when the cops lie to our Government .

  • zenos

    have any of you been in touch with your MPs. Seems that the RCMP is telling them that the QBZ is a full auto and that there is a court case so they cannot comment further. Bad when the Cops lie to the Government

  • Phil

    What’s going on with the Type-97? I heard it’s classification is “under-review”. God, this country sucks!

  • ZENOS

    WERE THE POLICE LIE TO THE GOVERNMENT YOU HAVE A POLICE STATE AND WE HAVE NO RIGHTS

  • CanadianBeef

    It’s ” B S ” They had no problem with the Tavor ! WTF is the deal, Leave us alone and give us our friggin guns.

  • zenos

    the Tavor and the Sig are big bucks they don’t need to mes with them just the one that the common person can buy. they think they make the laws they do not !!!!!

  • CanadianBeef

    Wow we can now purchase the PS90 (P90) and the FN FS2000 both of these are bullpups, wow so now there are 3 different bullpups we can buy but yet they still have a problem with the T-97, makes you wonder ?

  • zenos

    check out the robinson arms xcr $ 2350.00 non – restricted for a while at least

  • Eric

    Too bad the left side of my face would jam the ejection port or I’d pick up one of these.

  • CanadianBeef

    IMPORTANT T-97 UPDATE:

    Approximately 3 years ago, the RCMP issued a FRT number to allow the Norinco T-97 rifles to be imported and sold in Canada. Three years later, these same bureaucrats, have decided to PROHIBIT WITHOUT COMPENSATION these same firearms. To me this is “theft”, and theft is illegal for you or I, but apparently the government can get away with it.

    They are revoking the firearms certificates of the T-97′s and giving the owners 30 days to either surrender the firearms or to sell them to a movie company (to make evil baby-killing movies). These legitimate firearms owners have well over $1000 invested in these firearms. This is the same as if the government dipped their fingers into your wallet and stole $1000+ dollars from it. If you or I did this to someone, we would be arrested on the spot.

    These firearms were purchased with monies that income taxes were paid on, as well as GST, PST or HST as the case may be.

    The T-97 fiasco is only the tip of the iceberg, it WILL NOT end there. What will be next on their agenda? The Mini-14? The M-14, the M-1, SKS, CZ858???

  • Darn Right

    Darn right

    They will systematically divide us, taking one gun at a time, one class of gun at a time, until we end up with no firearms all.

  • CanadianReich

    Canada Shooting Sports email:

    Norinco Type 97 Re-Classification and Confiscation

    We are frustrated and disappointed with the latest decision of the RCMP to alter the classification of Norinco Type 97 from non restricted to prohibited. The stated reason for the RCMP’s reclassification was that this model was “too easily converted to full auto” .

    We having been working on this file for over a year and our attempts to resolve this issue have included numerous meetings with the Minister’s office some of which at our request included the importers who are caught in the middle of this bureaucratic nightmare.

    The CSSA continues to explore all avenues in our attempts to reverse this reclassification, but we have to remember this was an RCMP decision and history has shown they are non responsive to any criticism of their actions, however we all report to someone and in the case of the RCMP that is :

    Hon. Vic Toews
    Minister of Public Safety
    House of Commons

    Ottawa, Canada K1A 0A6

    FAX: 613-954-5186

  • CanadianBeef

    Still I do not understand there point, with the proper tools and enough knowledge any semi-auto firearm can be converted to fully auto, regardless of brand or style, does this mean that ever person that owns firearms also converts them to full auto ? I highly doubt it !

    How about a knife ? extremely easy to conceal, does not make a sound when used, equally as deadly, maybe we should ban all knifes in Canada, everything from a hunting knife to a butter knife must go ! well we are at it how about a screw driver HHmmmmm…… screw it lets ban anything and everything that could possibly be used as a weapon !

    right right ….. this will solve everything…… soon I will start a petition to be passed to the RCMP. it will be titled ” Ban Everything “

    • Jared

      Imagine that: we have the same problem in the United States. HA! It seems Europe has already been stripped of their weapons. Because us commoners have NO IDEA how to use them properly, right? The governments of all countries make me sick.

  • CanadianBeef

    Bullpups are evil because they can easily be concealed in a “40 gun case, trench coat and you could even put one in a large wooden box……man these things are bad !

  • End.Of.The.Line.T.97

    SEIZURE ALERT:

    For the first time in 15 years, the RCMP and Canadian firearms Program are moving to seize firearms from lawfully registered owners.

    They have offered no explanation as to why. They have only indicated that the Norinco Type 97 and High Standard Model 10B are now prohibited firearms.

    They have instructed the owners to turn them in for destruction to their local police, or try to sell them to a movie armourer, or other business licensed to use prohibited firearms.

    see Canadiangunnutz.com for more details

    We ask that you contact your MP and Public Safety minister Vic Toews to express your opinion on these seizures.

  • Steve

    I know this is an older blog but for those who have received their rifle I was wondering what the ability to utilize attachments is like

  • clubhopper

    i’m happy to report as of december 2012 the type-97 in a redesigned form are back…

  • T97 Owner

    Now that the long gun registry is gone, buying a non restricted T97 isnt such a scary idea. Not that the re-designed model is in jeopardy at the moment thanks to a new, semi only action, but even if the anti’s get it on their radar, its not registered so the law doesnt know I have it and therefore, cant technically “come after it”. Before the LGR was gone even non restricted guns were listed so if they decided to make a non restricted into prohibited they knew you had it. Now they dont. I feel better about my purchase.

    • http://cmblake6.wordpress.com cmblake6

      Sure do wish I could get one down here in the US. *SIGH*

  • http://www.huntinggearguy.com/ Adriel

    Well, they’re here! Kind of like a Glock, ugly but simple and reliable. I’ve got a ton of pictures up at http://www.huntinggearguy.com/rifle-reviews/norinco-type-97-review/