Comments on: Smith & Wesson M&P15R: 5.45x39mm AR-15 announced http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/07/15/smith-wesson-mp15r-545x39mm-ar-15-announced/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:19:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Luke http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/07/15/smith-wesson-mp15r-545x39mm-ar-15-announced/comment-page-1/#comment-82587 Luke Mon, 09 Jan 2012 23:16:10 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2228#comment-82587 you can buy wolf ammo in 556 for the same price. its really not much cheaper. you can buy wolf ammo in 556 for the same price. its really not much cheaper.

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]]> By: steve from tampa http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/07/15/smith-wesson-mp15r-545x39mm-ar-15-announced/comment-page-1/#comment-59982 steve from tampa Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:01:23 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2228#comment-59982 Wow.................cannot believe the last comment. 5.45 x 39 ammo is way, way cheaper than any 223 out there. One can buy 750 rds of Wolf zinc plated case for under $270 shipped ! If one wants Russian military commercial ammo which is considered corrosive, then expect to pay under $200 shipped for almost 1,200 rds. Do not even think about shooting SS109 in your 223 as the cost for those rds have really jumped thru the roof. Try JG Sales in Prescott AZ and it takes only 30 seconds to look at their site and realize how much less the 5.45 ammo is. The advantage is wound characteristics. The advantage is the design of the round so that it begins to yaw after a very short penetration even with a 1/8 barrel twist. This is a very accurate round. It was designed to create as much damage as possible and the soviets used the 223 for years in their labs to perfect this new round. On paper it looks substandard to the 223. Now with the M4 223 having this ridiculous 1/7 twist with a short barrel, the stopping factor has went way down. The US military has countered this twist by pumping up the weight of the bullet itself which makes sense but still is not doing the job. Too many multiple hits are required to finish off an assailant. Even the older version of the M16 with its 1/12 twist and 55 gr bullet is a much better stopper in terms of first shot incapability. The 5.45 x 39 is the result of many years of hard work by our former (?) enemy. The Afghans in the first year of the war with the Russians were absolutely astonished by the range and the deadly effectiveness of this round. Wounds were so devastating that Soldier of Fortune Magazine (which my friend was editor) sent people over to capture one of these weapons and ammo to see why it was so great. Take a few minutes and actually look at the bullet design itself. Very easy to see what will happen when it hits any resistance. I have seen the after effects of an M16 (Vietnam 2 tours Army 70 - 72) and have to admit that our own little round is very good. The 5.45 just adds a little more to this smaller class of rd size. We continually use AR15 magazines to shoot this round and have had not ONE burp yet. I would dare say that you can use a BETA mag with no problems. Not totally guaranteeing it but I do not see why it would not work. These 5.45's work in Thermolds, 20 or 30 rd steel/aluminum mags, and all other AR magazines. I know that in the AK223 situation, those mags will also feed the 5.45 real reliably. Hope this all helps. Getting back to the price difference........................well, there is a big difference. If one wants to really clean their rifle after shooting the surplus Russian ammo, then there is no better way to go. Plenty of this ammo also. Unreal quantities. Flat shooting accurate rd and does not share the rainbow trajectory of the standard AK47 rd. Very easy to get hooked on. I just gave up on the 223 situation but still own my 223's. If you want to actually shoot and shoot.....................then this is the round for you. After seeing what this rd can do (still penetrate both sides of a steel VN era helmet) at 800 meters........................you will be sold on it. Wow……………..cannot believe the last comment. 5.45 x 39 ammo is way, way cheaper than any 223 out there. One can buy 750 rds of Wolf zinc plated case for under $270 shipped ! If one wants Russian military commercial ammo which is considered corrosive, then expect to pay under $200 shipped for almost 1,200 rds. Do not even think about shooting SS109 in your 223 as the cost for those rds have really jumped thru the roof. Try JG Sales in Prescott AZ and it takes only 30 seconds to look at their site and realize how much less the 5.45 ammo is.

The advantage is wound characteristics. The advantage is the design of the round so that it begins to yaw after a very short penetration even with a 1/8 barrel twist. This is a very accurate round. It was designed to create as much damage as possible and the soviets used the 223 for years in their labs to perfect this new round. On paper it looks substandard to the 223. Now with the M4 223 having this ridiculous 1/7 twist with a short barrel, the stopping factor has went way down. The US military has countered this twist by pumping up the weight of the bullet itself which makes sense but still is not doing the job. Too many multiple hits are required to finish off an assailant. Even the older version of the M16 with its 1/12 twist and 55 gr bullet is a much better stopper in terms of first shot incapability. The 5.45 x 39 is the result of many years of hard work by our former (?) enemy. The Afghans in the first year of the war with the Russians were absolutely astonished by the range and the deadly effectiveness of this round. Wounds were so devastating that Soldier of Fortune Magazine (which my friend was editor) sent people over to capture one of these weapons and ammo to see why it was so great. Take a few minutes and actually look at the bullet design itself. Very easy to see what will happen when it hits any resistance. I have seen the after effects of an M16 (Vietnam 2 tours Army 70 – 72) and have to admit that our own little round is very good. The 5.45 just adds a little more to this smaller class of rd size.

We continually use AR15 magazines to shoot this round and have had not ONE burp yet. I would dare say that you can use a BETA mag with no problems. Not totally guaranteeing it but I do not see why it would not work. These 5.45′s work in Thermolds, 20 or 30 rd steel/aluminum mags, and all other AR magazines. I know that in the AK223 situation, those mags will also feed the 5.45 real reliably. Hope this all helps. Getting back to the price difference……………………well, there is a big difference. If one wants to really clean their rifle after shooting the surplus Russian ammo, then there is no better way to go. Plenty of this ammo also. Unreal quantities. Flat shooting accurate rd and does not share the rainbow trajectory of the standard AK47 rd. Very easy to get hooked on. I just gave up on the 223 situation but still own my 223′s. If you want to actually shoot and shoot…………………then this is the round for you. After seeing what this rd can do (still penetrate both sides of a steel VN era helmet) at 800 meters……………………you will be sold on it.

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]]> By: Jack http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/07/15/smith-wesson-mp15r-545x39mm-ar-15-announced/comment-page-1/#comment-59889 Jack Sun, 10 Apr 2011 16:48:13 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2228#comment-59889 Obviously I must be missing something, how's shooting a 5.45x39mm any cheaper than shooting a standard 5.56? I just checked a few retails outlets on prices and it looks like there's NO price difference. 5.56 rounds are .16-.21 cents each on average and so is the 5.45, yet the 5.45 packs in less powder, thus less range and less power...that's an advantage? And what's so great about the S&W AR? Again, I must be missing something? The S&W M/P model doesn't have anything my home built AR's already have and I made them for less money. I could match S&W's weapon point for point and I still come up with more gun fro the money. Here's a tip for you AR shooters: Get yourself a decent chamber brush and then use it correctly. They sell for about $5 and if there's one consistent problem with the AR's it's keeping the chambers clean to prevent jams. AR chambers are tough to clean, so you need a specially designed chamber brush to kick loose the bits of residue and copper before they compact and you have a bigger problem. Do this one thing and you should have a trouble free weapon. Obviously I must be missing something, how’s shooting a 5.45x39mm any cheaper than shooting a standard 5.56? I just checked a few retails outlets on prices and it looks like there’s NO price difference. 5.56 rounds are .16-.21 cents each on average and so is the 5.45, yet the 5.45 packs in less powder, thus less range and less power…that’s an advantage?

And what’s so great about the S&W AR? Again, I must be missing something? The S&W M/P model doesn’t have anything my home built AR’s already have and I made them for less money. I could match S&W’s weapon point for point and I still come up with more gun fro the money.

Here’s a tip for you AR shooters: Get yourself a decent chamber brush and then use it correctly. They sell for about $5 and if there’s one consistent problem with the AR’s it’s keeping the chambers clean to prevent jams. AR chambers are tough to clean, so you need a specially designed chamber brush to kick loose the bits of residue and copper before they compact and you have a bigger problem. Do this one thing and you should have a trouble free weapon.

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]]> By: WILDWILLY http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/07/15/smith-wesson-mp15r-545x39mm-ar-15-announced/comment-page-1/#comment-59837 WILDWILLY Sat, 09 Apr 2011 01:35:36 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2228#comment-59837 I just purchased an m&p 5.45 x 39 and want a beta mag anyone know if they are out there. I just purchased an m&p 5.45 x 39 and want a beta mag anyone know if they are out there.

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]]> By: Jack Lee http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/07/15/smith-wesson-mp15r-545x39mm-ar-15-announced/comment-page-1/#comment-40757 Jack Lee Tue, 17 Aug 2010 16:19:35 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2228#comment-40757 Hi, I just finished (17 Aug 2010) an article on my blog site about re-loading those infamous steel cases (mostly Russian .223). This is about my personal experience and about the do's and don'ts. I point out how you could save a ton of money using what other shooters are throwing away. I hope this won't be taken as spam, because it sure isn't! I don't get paid one nickle to write (that should be obvious when you read my article) so, this is just something I thought would be helpful to shooters trying to save a buck or two on reloads, and after all isn't that one of the reasons to reload? Okay...here's my link to the article titled, (shooting sports) Reloading Steel Ammo Cases http://www.norcalblogs.com/post_scripts/ If anything goes wrong with the above link you can always google the title and add my name, Jack Lee, and you will get the link. Hi, I just finished (17 Aug 2010) an article on my blog site about re-loading those infamous steel cases (mostly Russian .223). This is about my personal experience and about the do’s and don’ts. I point out how you could save a ton of money using what other shooters are throwing away.

I hope this won’t be taken as spam, because it sure isn’t! I don’t get paid one nickle to write (that should be obvious when you read my article) so, this is just something I thought would be helpful to shooters trying to save a buck or two on reloads, and after all isn’t that one of the reasons to reload?

Okay…here’s my link to the article titled, (shooting sports) Reloading Steel Ammo Cases

http://www.norcalblogs.com/post_scripts/

If anything goes wrong with the above link you can always google the title and add my name, Jack Lee, and you will get the link.

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]]> By: steve from tampa http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/07/15/smith-wesson-mp15r-545x39mm-ar-15-announced/comment-page-1/#comment-39939 steve from tampa Wed, 04 Aug 2010 17:08:36 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2228#comment-39939 Just a comment on the Russian special forces choosing the 7.62 round in favor of the 5.45 round. The main reason for this is simply a distance-to-target choice. The 30 caliber AK round is definitely a puncher at short distances but does its rainbow arc thing after 150 yds or so. Most of these special forces and police do the urban/building fighting thing and this will make sense on why they went back to that round. But not all did it. Checking on what agencies use what and who uses what, the split is about even with the 7.62 going to the real close up dirty work people. Most would readily agree that if shooting for precision and over 200 yds the 5.45 would certainly be the way to go. The yaw of the bullet when entering human flesh is much better than the 7.62 and if you read the ballistics of this round even at 600 yds, you will be amazed at its performance. So bottom line is this................close up stopper is the AK47 and a few football lengths away the AK74 is the way to go. Either way its still not pretty to see the results. Keep in mind too, that the Russian govt is loaded with surplus and new 7.62 ammo and some convincing at the local level did this choice. Still the Spetznaz and two other presidential guard units still use the 5.45. The more I shoot this round the more I like it. The low cost sure helps. Wolf has a zinc plated round that has never ever burped or failed once. I did have doubts about the Wolf brand but I honestly cannot find any thing to knock it with. I own several AK74's and their accuracy is outstandng. They are all tack drivers at 25 and 50 yds in an indoor range.While I would be the first to admit that in a dire emergency I would grab my 223 AR or maybe the DSA tactical but grabbing the AR in 5.45 with 750 rounds or so would not be a bad choice either. Anyways, for this period in time where ammo prices are still high, the 5.45 is still a real great choice in every category. Just a comment on the Russian special forces choosing the 7.62 round in favor of the 5.45 round. The main reason for this is simply a distance-to-target choice. The 30 caliber AK round is definitely a puncher at short distances but does its rainbow arc thing after 150 yds or so. Most of these special forces and police do the urban/building fighting thing and this will make sense on why they went back to that round. But not all did it. Checking on what agencies use what and who uses what, the split is about even with the 7.62 going to the real close up dirty work people. Most would readily agree that if shooting for precision and over 200 yds the 5.45 would certainly be the way to go. The yaw of the bullet when entering human flesh is much better than the 7.62 and if you read the ballistics of this round even at 600 yds, you will be amazed at its performance. So bottom line is this…………….close up stopper is the AK47 and a few football lengths away the AK74 is the way to go. Either way its still not pretty to see the results. Keep in mind too, that the Russian govt is loaded with surplus and new 7.62 ammo and some convincing at the local level did this choice. Still the Spetznaz and two other presidential guard units still use the 5.45.
The more I shoot this round the more I like it. The low cost sure helps. Wolf has a zinc plated round that has never ever burped or failed once. I did have doubts about the Wolf brand but I honestly cannot find any thing to knock it with. I own several AK74′s and their accuracy is outstandng. They are all tack drivers at 25 and 50 yds in an indoor range.While I would be the first to admit that in a dire emergency I would grab my 223 AR or maybe the DSA tactical but grabbing the AR in 5.45 with 750 rounds or so would not be a bad choice either. Anyways, for this period in time where ammo prices are still high, the 5.45 is still a real great choice in every category.

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]]> By: gh http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/07/15/smith-wesson-mp15r-545x39mm-ar-15-announced/comment-page-1/#comment-39880 gh Tue, 03 Aug 2010 20:19:27 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2228#comment-39880 Hey Mark S. Ive shot hundreds of rounds of the Wolf 60gr hp, no probs whatsoever. It also eats the 70gr fmj, and the 60gr fmj like candy. I love this rifle, just wish I could shoot it more. I am very thorough about cleaning, maybe you need a chamber brush to get some of that laquer off, just my 2 cents. Hey Mark S.

Ive shot hundreds of rounds of the Wolf 60gr hp, no probs whatsoever. It also eats the 70gr fmj, and the 60gr fmj like candy. I love this rifle, just wish I could shoot it more.
I am very thorough about cleaning, maybe you need a chamber brush to get some of that laquer off, just my 2 cents.

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]]> By: Mark S. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/07/15/smith-wesson-mp15r-545x39mm-ar-15-announced/comment-page-1/#comment-39868 Mark S. Tue, 03 Aug 2010 18:51:25 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2228#comment-39868 I bought my M&P15R about a year ago. I have been pretty happy with it so far. Ive shot several brands of ammo thru it. Wolf 60 gr. FMJ were great. 60 grain Silver bears were pretty good but they didnt cycle thru my mags very good. I recently bought 500 rounds of Wolf 60 grain HP. Ive tried to shoot these a couple times. I have actually fired 4 rounds of it. Every time the case has stuck in the chamber and ive had to beat it out. Im not sure whats different about em. The cases arent lacquered like the military surplus stuff but the other Wolf FMJ rounds werent either and they functioned fine. I bought 150 rounds of the military surplus yesterday, gonna try it on Thursday. Any ideas as to why those Wolf HPs are sticking? I bought my M&P15R about a year ago. I have been pretty happy with it so far. Ive shot several brands of ammo thru it. Wolf 60 gr. FMJ were great. 60 grain Silver bears were pretty good but they didnt cycle thru my mags very good. I recently bought 500 rounds of Wolf 60 grain HP. Ive tried to shoot these a couple times. I have actually fired 4 rounds of it. Every time the case has stuck in the chamber and ive had to beat it out. Im not sure whats different about em. The cases arent lacquered like the military surplus stuff but the other Wolf FMJ rounds werent either and they functioned fine. I bought 150 rounds of the military surplus yesterday, gonna try it on Thursday. Any ideas as to why those Wolf HPs are sticking?

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]]> By: steve from tampa http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/07/15/smith-wesson-mp15r-545x39mm-ar-15-announced/comment-page-1/#comment-28487 steve from tampa Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:55:52 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2228#comment-28487 Just a quick comment................the surplus ammo offered (in the tins or Russian packaging) is corrosive but not like the old days of really corrosive ammo. If you clean your rifle after shooting or clean it the next day you will be OK. Very inexpensive to shoot using that ammo. Wolf does make a zinc cased cartridge and it is absolutely top shelve in terms of quality and accuracy. Stock up on this or the Russian ammo while you can. I trust all of this ammo. In regards to the comment by 'bronze' at the top suggesting that the Smith AR is a POS, I can not help but wonder what caused this crazy comment(?) At every gun show and at every dealer, the Smith continues to be the best quality AR out there in every respect. I am not a Smith advocate as for years I thought (and still do) that the Model 29 44 mag was not as strong as the Ruger Redhawk or a couple of other models. The Smith AR does not take a back seat to any manufacturer in any area and I would challenge anyone to come up with a much better AR. Bushmaster, Colt, Rock River, Olympic (SGW) are all strong and Smith is right there with them or ahead of them. Thanks Just a quick comment…………….the surplus ammo offered (in the tins or Russian packaging) is corrosive but not like the old days of really corrosive ammo. If you clean your rifle after shooting or clean it the next day you will be OK. Very inexpensive to shoot using that ammo. Wolf does make a zinc cased cartridge and it is absolutely top shelve in terms of quality and accuracy. Stock up on this or the Russian ammo while you can. I trust all of this ammo.
In regards to the comment by ‘bronze’ at the top suggesting that the Smith AR is a POS, I can not help but wonder what caused this crazy comment(?) At every gun show and at every dealer, the Smith continues to be the best quality AR out there in every respect. I am not a Smith advocate as for years I thought (and still do) that the Model 29 44 mag was not as strong as the Ruger Redhawk or a couple of other models. The Smith AR does not take a back seat to any manufacturer in any area and I would challenge anyone to come up with a much better AR. Bushmaster, Colt, Rock River, Olympic (SGW) are all strong and Smith is right there with them or ahead of them. Thanks

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]]> By: Destroyer http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/07/15/smith-wesson-mp15r-545x39mm-ar-15-announced/comment-page-1/#comment-28452 Destroyer Thu, 11 Mar 2010 06:23:18 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2228#comment-28452 i prefer the PMC or prvi partizan...or fiocchi i prefer the PMC or prvi partizan…or fiocchi

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]]> By: Les http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/07/15/smith-wesson-mp15r-545x39mm-ar-15-announced/comment-page-1/#comment-26745 Les Tue, 16 Feb 2010 23:08:29 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2228#comment-26745 Hi Steve........I have had a S&W 5.45x39 for the last year or so. I have been shooting the WOLF ammo with great success. I have had very little jams, probably no more than any other gun. Here's what I was told by a gun dealer in Houston about dirty ammo. He said taht the Wolf was a dirtier ammo than Remington or Winchester, but that it was very easy to clean. V/S the Remington ammo, that is much cleaner burning, but much harder to clean. He said the Remington ammo has a tendenancy to bake onto your parts, and that sometimes you almost have to chip the residue off with a tool. I have had no trouble using Gun Scrubber to clean up after shooting Wolf. So I'm sticking with the Wolf. Hi Steve……..I have had a S&W 5.45×39 for the last year or so. I have been shooting the WOLF ammo with great success. I have had very little jams, probably no more than any other gun.

Here’s what I was told by a gun dealer in Houston about dirty ammo. He said taht the Wolf was a dirtier ammo than Remington or Winchester, but that it was very easy to clean. V/S the Remington ammo, that is much cleaner burning, but much harder to clean. He said the Remington ammo has a tendenancy to bake onto your parts, and that sometimes you almost have to chip the residue off with a tool. I have had no trouble using Gun Scrubber to clean up after shooting Wolf. So I’m sticking with the Wolf.

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]]> By: jeff http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/07/15/smith-wesson-mp15r-545x39mm-ar-15-announced/comment-page-1/#comment-26735 jeff Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:50:41 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2228#comment-26735 Love mine... had it now a year.. I've shot it two, three time last summer... little less recoil.(I Think) and it faster and more deadly( my understanding) No jams.. used a beta mag... Love it, so much, I think I'll buy one more.... Love mine… had it now a year.. I’ve shot it two, three time last summer… little less recoil.(I Think) and it faster and more deadly( my understanding) No jams.. used a beta mag… Love it, so much, I think I’ll buy one more….

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]]> By: steve from tampa http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/07/15/smith-wesson-mp15r-545x39mm-ar-15-announced/comment-page-1/#comment-26695 steve from tampa Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:14:55 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2228#comment-26695 WOLF ammo is not all that bad. Many have shot thousands of rounds of it with zero problems. It is true that years ago WOLF was considered a dirtier ammo than regular REMMINGTON or WINCHESTER, ect. Times have changes. Steel case ammo had to be the choice of many since the brass ammo got real scarce awhile back. The Smith AR's seem to work real good with steel case but all the manufacturers say 'no' to using it. So what do we do? Well.........WOLF maes a zinc cases round in 223 and in 5.45 and it is a clean round, accurate round, and is no filthier than the above mentioned US made ammo. Real nice stuff and JG Sales can deliver you 750 rounds of it for right around $200 shipped. This seems to be the answer for now. I agree that using brass cased ammo is probably the way to go but wow..........the cost and availability. I shoot a 5.45 AK which will eat the steel cased stuff like candy and also the Smith 5.45 AR's have had no burps either. Bottom line? IF you can get brass ammo, then do it. If not................using steel cased ammo in a new Smith AR will not hurt it a bit. By the way, I am a VN vet who was one of those who used the full auto switch more than the average soldier and I never had an extractor problem or really any problem. We would not clean our rifles purposely and one XM177 went two tours with no cleaning whatsoever and was passed to another 'cool and trusted GI' who kept it hidden in the rafters of the laundry shed and God knows how many rounds were fired afterwards. Only problem I ever had with an AR was a buffer detent getting wore down at a range here in Tampa. I own a Bushmaster, a Colt, a Rock River, and a Smith AR. The Smith is the best with Rock River right up there as far as color/fit and finish/working reliability goes. Thats my opinion only. Thanks WOLF ammo is not all that bad. Many have shot thousands of rounds of it with zero problems. It is true that years ago WOLF was considered a dirtier ammo than regular REMMINGTON or WINCHESTER, ect. Times have changes. Steel case ammo had to be the choice of many since the brass ammo got real scarce awhile back. The Smith AR’s seem to work real good with steel case but all the manufacturers say ‘no’ to using it. So what do we do? Well………WOLF maes a zinc cases round in 223 and in 5.45 and it is a clean round, accurate round, and is no filthier than the above mentioned US made ammo. Real nice stuff and JG Sales can deliver you 750 rounds of it for right around $200 shipped. This seems to be the answer for now. I agree that using brass cased ammo is probably the way to go but wow……….the cost and availability. I shoot a 5.45 AK which will eat the steel cased stuff like candy and also the Smith 5.45 AR’s have had no burps either. Bottom line? IF you can get brass ammo, then do it. If not…………….using steel cased ammo in a new Smith AR will not hurt it a bit. By the way, I am a VN vet who was one of those who used the full auto switch more than the average soldier and I never had an extractor problem or really any problem. We would not clean our rifles purposely and one XM177 went two tours with no cleaning whatsoever and was passed to another ‘cool and trusted GI’ who kept it hidden in the rafters of the laundry shed and God knows how many rounds were fired afterwards. Only problem I ever had with an AR was a buffer detent getting wore down at a range here in Tampa. I own a Bushmaster, a Colt, a Rock River, and a Smith AR. The Smith is the best with Rock River right up there as far as color/fit and finish/working reliability goes. Thats my opinion only. Thanks

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]]> By: Destroyer http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/07/15/smith-wesson-mp15r-545x39mm-ar-15-announced/comment-page-1/#comment-26665 Destroyer Tue, 16 Feb 2010 07:39:25 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2228#comment-26665 interesting idea. The 5.45 round is superior in many aspects to the 5.56 in terms of terminal wound effects, though the fact is that many elite units (FSB, OMON, Al'fa) operating in Grozny are reverting back to the older, 7.62x39mm AK because of the shortcomings of the 5.45 similarly experienced by US troops with their 5.56mm. Note: the AR15 platform was not designed to shoot steel casings (such as that used in warsaw pact ammunition and Wolf) because of the small size of the extractor (contrast this to the AK74, which, like all AKs, have a meaty extractor designed to fire poor quality ammunition) that will break down due to the hardened steel, eventually causing failures to extract. I know many folks that shoot Wolf through their AR15's, though i cringe at the thought (and im sure they spend more time cleaning the damned thing than shooting it). interesting idea. The 5.45 round is superior in many aspects to the 5.56 in terms of terminal wound effects, though the fact is that many elite units (FSB, OMON, Al’fa) operating in Grozny are reverting back to the older, 7.62x39mm AK because of the shortcomings of the 5.45 similarly experienced by US troops with their 5.56mm.

Note: the AR15 platform was not designed to shoot steel casings (such as that used in warsaw pact ammunition and Wolf) because of the small size of the extractor (contrast this to the AK74, which, like all AKs, have a meaty extractor designed to fire poor quality ammunition) that will break down due to the hardened steel, eventually causing failures to extract. I know many folks that shoot Wolf through their AR15′s, though i cringe at the thought (and im sure they spend more time cleaning the damned thing than shooting it).

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]]> By: jeff http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/07/15/smith-wesson-mp15r-545x39mm-ar-15-announced/comment-page-1/#comment-21802 jeff Thu, 17 Dec 2009 01:24:54 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2228#comment-21802 Hey Chris, Can not help you. I bought the whole smith and wesson package, its fits nicely. and it shoots very smooth... The round,as you know is faster and the re-coil seems less...and the ammo's cheaper.. I love it...keep trying, somebody will help you... Hey Chris, Can not help you. I bought the whole smith and wesson package, its fits nicely. and it shoots very smooth… The round,as you know is faster and the re-coil seems less…and the ammo’s cheaper.. I love it…keep trying, somebody will help you…

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/07/15/smith-wesson-mp15r-545x39mm-ar-15-announced/comment-page-1/#comment-21782 Steve Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:20:13 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2228#comment-21782 cris, go to ar15.com forum and ask there. They will be able to tell you. cris, go to ar15.com forum and ask there. They will be able to tell you.

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]]> By: cris http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/07/15/smith-wesson-mp15r-545x39mm-ar-15-announced/comment-page-1/#comment-21764 cris Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:22:10 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2228#comment-21764 Hey steve, recently purchased a S&W lower but fits loose with a colt upper , can u advise thanks cris Hey steve, recently purchased a S&W lower but fits loose with a colt upper , can u advise thanks
cris

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]]> By: Adrian http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/07/15/smith-wesson-mp15r-545x39mm-ar-15-announced/comment-page-1/#comment-17133 Adrian Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:08:21 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2228#comment-17133 have had mine for a while, and love it! the only problem that i have had was some silver bear hp ammo that would not chamber right. i went back to the fmj never skipped a beat! shot a pig with it dropped her like a bad habit! have had mine for a while, and love it! the only problem that i have had was some silver bear hp ammo that would not chamber right. i went back to the fmj never skipped a beat! shot a pig with it dropped her like a bad habit!

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]]> By: David http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/07/15/smith-wesson-mp15r-545x39mm-ar-15-announced/comment-page-1/#comment-12641 David Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:49:57 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2228#comment-12641 Smith and Wesson 5.45 upper. Purchased a few receivers with the intent of putting a couple of AR15 together in maybe 223 or some other round. But I just ordered my first S&W in the 5.45 round, just had to have one and now I want to purchase a couple more uppers in that round. Where can I buy them? Smith and Wesson 5.45 upper. Purchased a few receivers with the intent of putting a couple of AR15 together in maybe 223 or some other round. But I just ordered my first S&W in the 5.45 round, just had to have one and now I want to purchase a couple more uppers in that round. Where can I buy them?

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]]> By: Lance http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/07/15/smith-wesson-mp15r-545x39mm-ar-15-announced/comment-page-1/#comment-12409 Lance Wed, 22 Jul 2009 20:22:19 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=2228#comment-12409 It be easier to buy a AK-74 and shoot 5.45 ammo. It be easier to buy a AK-74 and shoot 5.45 ammo.

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