Comments on: Shot gunning from a tank: M1028 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/ Firearms not Politics Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:05:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Nomen Nescio http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-2761 Nomen Nescio Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:58:08 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-2761 i admit i don't know how the footage was filmed, but i can see how it <i>might</i> have been. you wouldn't need to track or pan the actual camera; use a rotating mirror instead to bounce the image into the camera lens. i admit i don’t know how the footage was filmed, but i can see how it might have been. you wouldn’t need to track or pan the actual camera; use a rotating mirror instead to bounce the image into the camera lens.

]]> By: Nobody http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-2330 Nobody Tue, 01 Jul 2008 12:50:05 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-2330 Found this link while conducting OPSEC on the net. Almost, almost! http://www.janes.com/extracts/extract/jah/jah_5345.html Found this link while conducting OPSEC on the net. Almost, almost!

http://www.janes.com/extracts/extract/jah/jah_5345.html

]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-1952 Steve Wed, 23 Apr 2008 20:42:58 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-1952 Thanks for the info, Frank Thanks for the info, Frank

]]> By: Frank http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-1950 Frank Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:49:31 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-1950 We had Beehive rounds for the 105mm and canister for the 152mm during Viet Nam. Both used flechettes (nails with fins). Beehive could be set to detonate at a range or at muzzle. The Cannister could only function at muzzle. Look up 'Beehive' and 'Cannister' on wikipedia for more details. We had Beehive rounds for the 105mm and canister for the 152mm during Viet Nam. Both used flechettes (nails with fins). Beehive could be set to detonate at a range or at muzzle. The Cannister could only function at muzzle. Look up ‘Beehive’ and ‘Cannister’ on wikipedia for more details.

]]> By: Nobody http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-1888 Nobody Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:56:50 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-1888 Hey Steve, I'm not calling your ratio or equation; I'm calling the data used for the equation incorrect. The data that is widely available on the net and what is final production are not exactly the same. I can say that 10mm is not the actual size per tungsten ball. Additionally, the final production payload weight is different. The final snafu is what keeps our enemies and many times our allies as well, guessing. Did you know the parasitic weight of the aft body and the break away aluminum body is part of the payload weight? It is. The aft body can be clearly observed in the flight follower video. Further investigating on the web may produce another video taken from the muzzle angle. That video shows the break away panels, the dispersion of the payload, and the aft body. Take it however you like, but as a munitions technician, I commend you on a job well done with public release information. Hey Steve, I’m not calling your ratio or equation; I’m calling the data used for the equation incorrect. The data that is widely available on the net and what is final production are not exactly the same. I can say that 10mm is not the actual size per tungsten ball. Additionally, the final production payload weight is different. The final snafu is what keeps our enemies and many times our allies as well, guessing. Did you know the parasitic weight of the aft body and the break away aluminum body is part of the payload weight? It is. The aft body can be clearly observed in the flight follower video. Further investigating on the web may produce another video taken from the muzzle angle. That video shows the break away panels, the dispersion of the payload, and the aft body. Take it however you like, but as a munitions technician, I commend you on a job well done with public release information.

]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-1884 Steve Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:48:12 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-1884 Hi Nobody, are you able to tell us the correct weights? My weights were based on a commercially sold tungsten alloy. (Readers: Nobody hails from a .mil) Hi Nobody, are you able to tell us the correct weights?

My weights were based on a commercially sold tungsten alloy.

(Readers: Nobody hails from a .mil)

]]> By: Nobody http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-1883 Nobody Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:17:52 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-1883 I would like to say, not much. 1. The weight ratio to figure the weight of each ball is not correct. The final production payload weight is not the same as used in calaculations here. 2. Camera? Most of these around here are capable of flight following projectiles at twice the speed of the CAN. Spark graphs measure in the 10 to the -9 range, (1 nanosecond) flight followers can capture at the 10 to the -12 range (1 picosecond). Slowed to human eye capabilities, one can off hand see the pause betwen a hummingbirds wing beat. If one were to be on break or pre-setup that is. 3. Leave it to some powerpoint ranger to place the after shot under the word before, and before under after. Is good help still that hard to come by? I would like to say, not much.

1. The weight ratio to figure the weight of each ball is not correct. The final production payload weight is not the same as used in calaculations here.

2. Camera? Most of these around here are capable of flight following projectiles at twice the speed of the CAN. Spark graphs measure in the 10 to the -9 range, (1 nanosecond) flight followers can capture at the 10 to the -12 range (1 picosecond). Slowed to human eye capabilities, one can off hand see the pause betwen a hummingbirds wing beat. If one were to be on break or pre-setup that is.

3. Leave it to some powerpoint ranger to place the after shot under the word before, and before under after. Is good help still that hard to come by?

]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-1640 Steve Thu, 06 Mar 2008 02:26:55 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-1640 I remember reading something about the difficultly of recording shot patterns while they are in the air. Dave, if you figure this out please let us know! I remember reading something about the difficultly of recording shot patterns while they are in the air.

Dave, if you figure this out please let us know!

]]> By: Dave http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-1639 Dave Thu, 06 Mar 2008 02:21:57 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-1639 How did a camera possibly track the shot like that? I've spent 6 years in the professional audio/video broadcasting industry, and never heard of anything capable of tracking like that. It'd need a *super* fast servo, and the left to right tracking would have to be predefined, based on a few previous test shots. Anybody know what was used to film? Other option is a special camera, with a *very* wide aperature that filmed the whole thing... all you see is a cut, moving segment of one solid video. Don't know of anything capable of that either... last option is, CG hoax. How did a camera possibly track the shot like that? I’ve spent 6 years in the professional audio/video broadcasting industry, and never heard of anything capable of tracking like that. It’d need a *super* fast servo, and the left to right tracking would have to be predefined, based on a few previous test shots. Anybody know what was used to film? Other option is a special camera, with a *very* wide aperature that filmed the whole thing… all you see is a cut, moving segment of one solid video. Don’t know of anything capable of that either… last option is, CG hoax.

]]> By: Evil Pundit http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-1590 Evil Pundit Sat, 01 Mar 2008 09:42:02 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-1590 Also, I missed Roy's comment. Some old tankers I know told me that the British [url=http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product903.html]Centurion[/url] also had canister ammunition for its 105mm gun. Elsewhere, I've read that some battleships could fire grapeshot from their 14- to 16-inch main guns -- consisting of three- or four-inch balls, intended to discourage torpedo boats or destroyers. Unfortunately a quick Google search hasn't turned up any examples of these. Also, I missed Roy’s comment. Some old tankers I know told me that the British [url=http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product903.html]Centurion[/url] also had canister ammunition for its 105mm gun.

Elsewhere, I’ve read that some battleships could fire grapeshot from their 14- to 16-inch main guns — consisting of three- or four-inch balls, intended to discourage torpedo boats or destroyers. Unfortunately a quick Google search hasn’t turned up any examples of these.

]]> By: Evil Pundit http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-1589 Evil Pundit Sat, 01 Mar 2008 09:29:46 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-1589 I'm impressed by the grapeshot, but even more so by the way the high-speed camera can follow the cloud of balls all the way down the range. That's some impressive target chasing capability. I’m impressed by the grapeshot, but even more so by the way the high-speed camera can follow the cloud of balls all the way down the range. That’s some impressive target chasing capability.

]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-1588 Steve Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:38:14 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-1588 Roys, thanks for that info, I will hunt around for it. Haha, Steve, yes I did see that. I think it is a pretty useful feature! Roys, thanks for that info, I will hunt around for it.

Haha, Steve, yes I did see that. I think it is a pretty useful feature!

]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-1587 Steve Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:26:57 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-1587 Did you see the concertina wire test in the PDF? It looks like the shell has the opposite effect, as it restores damaged wire to a functional state. Did you see the concertina wire test in the PDF? It looks like the shell has the opposite effect, as it restores damaged wire to a functional state.

]]> By: Roys http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-1581 Roys Fri, 29 Feb 2008 02:37:03 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-1581 I read about shotgun/canister rounds for the British <a href="http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product586.html" rel="nofollow">Saladin</a> armoured car a while back. Read somewhere that they were extremely useful for jungle warfare and counter-ambush work but can't remember the exact source of this info. I read about shotgun/canister rounds for the British Saladin armoured car a while back. Read somewhere that they were extremely useful for jungle warfare and counter-ambush work but can’t remember the exact source of this info.

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