Comments on: Shot gunning from a tank: M1028 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:24:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Flowtech Plastics http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/comment-page-1/#comment-69601 Flowtech Plastics Tue, 16 Aug 2011 05:22:43 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-69601 The shell holds 1100 10mm tungsten balls. They are apparently lethal up to 700m (765 yards). _____________ Lisa The shell holds 1100 10mm tungsten balls. They are apparently lethal up to 700m (765 yards).
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Lisa

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]]> By: MibZ http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/comment-page-1/#comment-62809 MibZ Sat, 14 May 2011 08:37:35 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-62809 When I saw a video of a 2 Gauge being fired and taking out a wall of clay pigeons I never thought I would see a bigger shotgun blast. I was wrong. That one took out the wall. When I saw a video of a 2 Gauge being fired and taking out a wall of clay pigeons I never thought I would see a bigger shotgun blast.

I was wrong.

That one took out the wall.

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]]> By: Evil Pundit http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/comment-page-1/#comment-43157 Evil Pundit Tue, 21 Sep 2010 05:45:56 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-43157 Your reading is correct, Chief. I know some Australian Centurion veterans at a nearby regimental museum, and they have talked about using this round. Your reading is correct, Chief. I know some Australian Centurion veterans at a nearby regimental museum, and they have talked about using this round.

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]]> By: chief http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/comment-page-1/#comment-43073 chief Mon, 20 Sep 2010 10:16:28 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-43073 I read somewhere that a similar round was used in vietnam by australian centurion tanks to clear thick vegitation like bamboo. I read somewhere that a similar round was used in vietnam by australian centurion tanks to clear thick vegitation like bamboo.

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]]> By: Al T. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/comment-page-1/#comment-37362 Al T. Wed, 30 Jun 2010 14:29:47 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-37362 Small quibble... "Two dummies survived" - uh, no, two dummies were left standing. They may have had holes from the round that are not visible in the picture. :) Small quibble… “Two dummies survived” – uh, no, two dummies were left standing. They may have had holes from the round that are not visible in the picture. :)

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]]> By: Lance http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/comment-page-1/#comment-15627 Lance Mon, 05 Oct 2009 19:51:08 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-15627 Not a surprise its the same as a 90mm Canister round used by US tanks in Korea in the 1950s. Not a surprise its the same as a 90mm Canister round used by US tanks in Korea in the 1950s.

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]]> By: Mu http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/comment-page-1/#comment-8430 Mu Mon, 06 Apr 2009 18:04:04 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-8430 The most interesting fact to me is that the aluminum "pusher", which shows in the movie, is slowed LESS than the high density balls. Shows how inefficient a shape a round ball is wind resistance wise. The most interesting fact to me is that the aluminum “pusher”, which shows in the movie, is slowed LESS than the high density balls. Shows how inefficient a shape a round ball is wind resistance wise.

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]]> By: orions_hammer http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/comment-page-1/#comment-7592 orions_hammer Thu, 19 Mar 2009 02:54:45 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-7592 My understanding is that this sort of large-scale supersonic slow motion can also be done with a carefully synchronized array of ordinary cameras--each camera in the row fires just a few dozen microseconds after the camera before it. Here's an example: http://www.digitalair.com/techniques/frozen_moment.html My understanding is that this sort of large-scale supersonic slow motion can also be done with a carefully synchronized array of ordinary cameras–each camera in the row fires just a few dozen microseconds after the camera before it. Here’s an example:
http://www.digitalair.com/techniques/frozen_moment.html

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]]> By: Nomen Nescio http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/comment-page-1/#comment-2761 Nomen Nescio Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:58:08 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-2761 i admit i don't know how the footage was filmed, but i can see how it <i>might</i> have been. you wouldn't need to track or pan the actual camera; use a rotating mirror instead to bounce the image into the camera lens. i admit i don’t know how the footage was filmed, but i can see how it might have been. you wouldn’t need to track or pan the actual camera; use a rotating mirror instead to bounce the image into the camera lens.

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]]> By: Nobody http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/comment-page-1/#comment-2330 Nobody Tue, 01 Jul 2008 12:50:05 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-2330 Found this link while conducting OPSEC on the net. Almost, almost! http://www.janes.com/extracts/extract/jah/jah_5345.html Found this link while conducting OPSEC on the net. Almost, almost!

http://www.janes.com/extracts/extract/jah/jah_5345.html

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/comment-page-1/#comment-1952 Steve Wed, 23 Apr 2008 20:42:58 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-1952 Thanks for the info, Frank Thanks for the info, Frank

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]]> By: Frank http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/comment-page-1/#comment-1950 Frank Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:49:31 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-1950 We had Beehive rounds for the 105mm and canister for the 152mm during Viet Nam. Both used flechettes (nails with fins). Beehive could be set to detonate at a range or at muzzle. The Cannister could only function at muzzle. Look up 'Beehive' and 'Cannister' on wikipedia for more details. We had Beehive rounds for the 105mm and canister for the 152mm during Viet Nam. Both used flechettes (nails with fins). Beehive could be set to detonate at a range or at muzzle. The Cannister could only function at muzzle. Look up ‘Beehive’ and ‘Cannister’ on wikipedia for more details.

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]]> By: Nobody http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/comment-page-1/#comment-1888 Nobody Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:56:50 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-1888 Hey Steve, I'm not calling your ratio or equation; I'm calling the data used for the equation incorrect. The data that is widely available on the net and what is final production are not exactly the same. I can say that 10mm is not the actual size per tungsten ball. Additionally, the final production payload weight is different. The final snafu is what keeps our enemies and many times our allies as well, guessing. Did you know the parasitic weight of the aft body and the break away aluminum body is part of the payload weight? It is. The aft body can be clearly observed in the flight follower video. Further investigating on the web may produce another video taken from the muzzle angle. That video shows the break away panels, the dispersion of the payload, and the aft body. Take it however you like, but as a munitions technician, I commend you on a job well done with public release information. Hey Steve, I’m not calling your ratio or equation; I’m calling the data used for the equation incorrect. The data that is widely available on the net and what is final production are not exactly the same. I can say that 10mm is not the actual size per tungsten ball. Additionally, the final production payload weight is different. The final snafu is what keeps our enemies and many times our allies as well, guessing. Did you know the parasitic weight of the aft body and the break away aluminum body is part of the payload weight? It is. The aft body can be clearly observed in the flight follower video. Further investigating on the web may produce another video taken from the muzzle angle. That video shows the break away panels, the dispersion of the payload, and the aft body. Take it however you like, but as a munitions technician, I commend you on a job well done with public release information.

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/comment-page-1/#comment-1884 Steve Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:48:12 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-1884 Hi Nobody, are you able to tell us the correct weights? My weights were based on a commercially sold tungsten alloy. (Readers: Nobody hails from a .mil) Hi Nobody, are you able to tell us the correct weights?

My weights were based on a commercially sold tungsten alloy.

(Readers: Nobody hails from a .mil)

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]]> By: Nobody http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/comment-page-1/#comment-1883 Nobody Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:17:52 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-1883 I would like to say, not much. 1. The weight ratio to figure the weight of each ball is not correct. The final production payload weight is not the same as used in calaculations here. 2. Camera? Most of these around here are capable of flight following projectiles at twice the speed of the CAN. Spark graphs measure in the 10 to the -9 range, (1 nanosecond) flight followers can capture at the 10 to the -12 range (1 picosecond). Slowed to human eye capabilities, one can off hand see the pause betwen a hummingbirds wing beat. If one were to be on break or pre-setup that is. 3. Leave it to some powerpoint ranger to place the after shot under the word before, and before under after. Is good help still that hard to come by? I would like to say, not much.

1. The weight ratio to figure the weight of each ball is not correct. The final production payload weight is not the same as used in calaculations here.

2. Camera? Most of these around here are capable of flight following projectiles at twice the speed of the CAN. Spark graphs measure in the 10 to the -9 range, (1 nanosecond) flight followers can capture at the 10 to the -12 range (1 picosecond). Slowed to human eye capabilities, one can off hand see the pause betwen a hummingbirds wing beat. If one were to be on break or pre-setup that is.

3. Leave it to some powerpoint ranger to place the after shot under the word before, and before under after. Is good help still that hard to come by?

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/comment-page-1/#comment-1640 Steve Thu, 06 Mar 2008 02:26:55 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-1640 I remember reading something about the difficultly of recording shot patterns while they are in the air. Dave, if you figure this out please let us know! I remember reading something about the difficultly of recording shot patterns while they are in the air.

Dave, if you figure this out please let us know!

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]]> By: Dave http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/comment-page-1/#comment-1639 Dave Thu, 06 Mar 2008 02:21:57 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-1639 How did a camera possibly track the shot like that? I've spent 6 years in the professional audio/video broadcasting industry, and never heard of anything capable of tracking like that. It'd need a *super* fast servo, and the left to right tracking would have to be predefined, based on a few previous test shots. Anybody know what was used to film? Other option is a special camera, with a *very* wide aperature that filmed the whole thing... all you see is a cut, moving segment of one solid video. Don't know of anything capable of that either... last option is, CG hoax. How did a camera possibly track the shot like that? I’ve spent 6 years in the professional audio/video broadcasting industry, and never heard of anything capable of tracking like that. It’d need a *super* fast servo, and the left to right tracking would have to be predefined, based on a few previous test shots. Anybody know what was used to film? Other option is a special camera, with a *very* wide aperature that filmed the whole thing… all you see is a cut, moving segment of one solid video. Don’t know of anything capable of that either… last option is, CG hoax.

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]]> By: Evil Pundit http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/comment-page-1/#comment-1590 Evil Pundit Sat, 01 Mar 2008 09:42:02 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-1590 Also, I missed Roy's comment. Some old tankers I know told me that the British [url=http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product903.html]Centurion[/url] also had canister ammunition for its 105mm gun. Elsewhere, I've read that some battleships could fire grapeshot from their 14- to 16-inch main guns -- consisting of three- or four-inch balls, intended to discourage torpedo boats or destroyers. Unfortunately a quick Google search hasn't turned up any examples of these. Also, I missed Roy’s comment. Some old tankers I know told me that the British [url=http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product903.html]Centurion[/url] also had canister ammunition for its 105mm gun.

Elsewhere, I’ve read that some battleships could fire grapeshot from their 14- to 16-inch main guns — consisting of three- or four-inch balls, intended to discourage torpedo boats or destroyers. Unfortunately a quick Google search hasn’t turned up any examples of these.

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]]> By: Evil Pundit http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/comment-page-1/#comment-1589 Evil Pundit Sat, 01 Mar 2008 09:29:46 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-1589 I'm impressed by the grapeshot, but even more so by the way the high-speed camera can follow the cloud of balls all the way down the range. That's some impressive target chasing capability. I’m impressed by the grapeshot, but even more so by the way the high-speed camera can follow the cloud of balls all the way down the range. That’s some impressive target chasing capability.

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/comment-page-1/#comment-1588 Steve Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:38:14 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/29/shot-gunning-from-a-tank-m1028/#comment-1588 Roys, thanks for that info, I will hunt around for it. Haha, Steve, yes I did see that. I think it is a pretty useful feature! Roys, thanks for that info, I will hunt around for it.

Haha, Steve, yes I did see that. I think it is a pretty useful feature!

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