Comments on: POF-USA P-308 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/ Firearms not Politics Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:38:33 +1300 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: AARON http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-18611 AARON Fri, 20 Nov 2009 03:44:04 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-18611 I too own a p-308 16" gun and guess what? I have problems as well. I have the same problems a lot of you seem to have the gun does not extract rounds (i have had to use cleaning rods to get them out and close the stock and slam it on the ground). I have shot, blackhills, magtech, federal match, nato ball, and a few others. I have put more than 250 rounds in the gun and i tell you this is the worst gun i have in the locker. After 18 months i finally got the gun. I will tell you that i am a gun retailer and i have had NOTHING but problems with POF. I will tell you that i know a few of you have had good success with chris but we have dumped POF as a retailer because of him. The would lose orders, tell us we did not place the order and at one point chris unloaded at my business parter! I have not been able to test the MOA because of all the cycle issue been trying to trouble shoot that. I am glad to read these posts. lets me know i am not alone on my problems. As far as orders go. We where told 2 months, then 2 months come and go and we call them they cannot find the order. 2 more months come and go and still no rifles. 10 months come and go and still no rifles. 14 months come and go, starting to get the pattern! 18 months! after we where told 2. My parter and i cancelled all our orders but two. we will not do business with them. BUT we wanted a rifle to T&E. I will say when we did get them the craftsman ship seemed good. BUT on closer examination there was rust on the piston assembly. i called them to get a new part and they wanted me to send the item back to them and i need prior permission, kind of an RA but no one was around to give it to me i was talking to some girl that answered the phone. I have noticed some wear on the charging handle. I have to say, i own a AI, Noveske, Les Baer, Wilson, Barrett, and quite a few more mil style guns and i have NEVER had such a bad experience my suggestion is BUY NOVESKE! we sell them (not placing an add here) and we have NEVER NEVER had a problem!!!! If you use POF bring a back up gun! I too own a p-308 16″ gun and guess what? I have problems as well. I have the same problems a lot of you seem to have the gun does not extract rounds (i have had to use cleaning rods to get them out and close the stock and slam it on the ground). I have shot, blackhills, magtech, federal match, nato ball, and a few others. I have put more than 250 rounds in the gun and i tell you this is the worst gun i have in the locker.

After 18 months i finally got the gun. I will tell you that i am a gun retailer and i have had NOTHING but problems with POF. I will tell you that i know a few of you have had good success with chris but we have dumped POF as a retailer because of him. The would lose orders, tell us we did not place the order and at one point chris unloaded at my business parter! I have not been able to test the MOA because of all the cycle issue been trying to trouble shoot that. I am glad to read these posts. lets me know i am not alone on my problems.

As far as orders go. We where told 2 months, then 2 months come and go and we call them they cannot find the order. 2 more months come and go and still no rifles. 10 months come and go and still no rifles. 14 months come and go, starting to get the pattern! 18 months! after we where told 2. My parter and i cancelled all our orders but two. we will not do business with them. BUT we wanted a rifle to T&E. I will say when we did get them the craftsman ship seemed good.

BUT on closer examination there was rust on the piston assembly. i called them to get a new part and they wanted me to send the item back to them and i need prior permission, kind of an RA but no one was around to give it to me i was talking to some girl that answered the phone.

I have noticed some wear on the charging handle.

I have to say, i own a AI, Noveske, Les Baer, Wilson, Barrett, and quite a few more mil style guns and i have NEVER had such a bad experience my suggestion is BUY NOVESKE! we sell them (not placing an add here) and we have NEVER NEVER had a problem!!!!

If you use POF bring a back up gun!

]]> By: Dan http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-18370 Dan Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:56:57 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-18370 P-308: A month later... After getting my P-308 back from Patriot, I have been to the range seven times. Every time I've been out since my initial trouble, the thing feeds like a hungry dog. Every shot is perfectly placed, and I've now run about 500 rounds of South African and German surplus 7.62x51 through it without a single misfeed. I take a lot of clients out shooting as a networking/client relationship building measure, and I have to say it's really impressed. Hats off to POF. They made it right. my $.02 P-308: A month later…

After getting my P-308 back from Patriot, I have been to the range seven times. Every time I’ve been out since my initial trouble, the thing feeds like a hungry dog. Every shot is perfectly placed, and I’ve now run about 500 rounds of South African and German surplus 7.62×51 through it without a single misfeed. I take a lot of clients out shooting as a networking/client relationship building measure, and I have to say it’s really impressed. Hats off to POF. They made it right.

my $.02

]]> By: Pof owner. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-18149 Pof owner. Sun, 15 Nov 2009 04:41:09 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-18149 I own 2 pof-308 rifles, and have had them at the range twice since owning them. I have had multiple jams and misfeeds double feeds etc, rounds getting stuck in chamber rounds not extracting without force, sometime they wont pick them up outta magazine even. I have gotten no more than 5 rounds in a row ever. Ive used Blackhills match 168, 175gr m118 m118lr fn 762 etc all with the same or worse results. The only group I have fired from the rifle was less than .5moa so its an accurate gun but it refuses to feed. I bought this as a shtf rifle and so far have been disappointed I hope pof makes this right. I own 2 pof-308 rifles, and have had them at the range twice since owning them. I have had multiple jams and misfeeds double feeds etc, rounds getting stuck in chamber rounds not extracting without force, sometime they wont pick them up outta magazine even. I have gotten no more than 5 rounds in a row ever. Ive used Blackhills match 168, 175gr m118 m118lr fn 762 etc all with the same or worse results. The only group I have fired from the rifle was less than .5moa so its an accurate gun but it refuses to feed. I bought this as a shtf rifle and so far have been disappointed I hope pof makes this right.

]]> By: fred http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-17781 fred Sun, 08 Nov 2009 04:04:43 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-17781 i am loading two different 308 asavage 10 and a fn spr my problem is i am getting misfires in the fn i have been loading ammo for afew years have all the percision tools i load every thing from my 223 to my 50bmg all once fired brass has been fulllenth sized trimmed i used a rcbs mic to obtain seating depth on the savage loaded a box they shot fine in the savage but in the fn it seams the fireing pin does not hit the primer hard enough to fire the round could this be a seating depth problem.need help from sumone who knows what they are talking about.sorry typing aint my thing i am loading two different 308 asavage 10 and a fn spr my problem is i am getting misfires in the fn i have been loading ammo for afew years have all the percision tools i load every thing from my 223 to my 50bmg all once fired brass has been fulllenth sized trimmed i used a rcbs mic to obtain seating depth on the savage loaded a box they shot fine in the savage but in the fn it seams the fireing pin does not hit the primer hard enough to fire the round could this be a seating depth problem.need help from sumone who knows what they are talking about.sorry typing aint my thing

]]> By: Nicolas http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-17402 Nicolas Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:14:56 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-17402 I am considering purchasing a pof 308 16" barrell. With all the comments I am reading am a bit hesitant. I never heard back from Wade to find out if he solved his problem. You have to scrubbed the bore after each round for the first 20 rounds? Nicolas I am considering purchasing a pof 308 16″ barrell. With all the comments I am reading am a bit hesitant.
I never heard back from Wade to find out if he solved his problem.
You have to scrubbed the bore after each round for the first 20 rounds?

Nicolas

]]> By: Silas http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-16993 Silas Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:12:16 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-16993 Reading this thread has been very educational. My thanks to all who have contributed to date. I'm planning to purchase my first AR type rifle and I've more-or-less settled on the POF P-308. I'm left-handed and left eye dominant, so I really appreciate the ambidextrous controls, especially the bolt release. One thing I have not been able to track down (at least not yet) is any technical data that compares the 16" "RECON" barrel to the 20" "SPR" barrel. At what range does the 20" barrel make a practical difference? Silas Reading this thread has been very educational. My thanks to all who have contributed to date.

I’m planning to purchase my first AR type rifle and I’ve more-or-less settled on the POF P-308. I’m left-handed and left eye dominant, so I really appreciate the ambidextrous controls, especially the bolt release.

One thing I have not been able to track down (at least not yet) is any technical data that compares the 16″ “RECON” barrel to the 20″ “SPR” barrel. At what range does the 20″ barrel make a practical difference?

Silas

]]> By: Dan http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-15187 Dan Mon, 28 Sep 2009 23:59:34 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-15187 Kudos to POF for their Customer service. After receiving my rifle, POF had it on it's way back home in less then a week! Got it back in great condition, took it to the range, and WHOA!!! I LOVE MY POF 16"!!!!! With a Millet TRS-1 scope mounted, I was threading a needle at 600M. 5 shots = 1'5 inch diameter groups. Recoil is not at all what I'd expect from a .308. I was chomping at the bit after my first failed range trip, so I put about 280 rounds down range, and it ran them like butter. Dan is greatly pleased with this new development. Chris @ POF: If you're listening: Thank you for the great customer service! Dan S.(the "I should have sent it directly to you, but instead sent it to the shop I bought it at" guy) Kudos to POF for their Customer service. After receiving my rifle, POF had it on it’s way back home in less then a week! Got it back in great condition, took it to the range, and WHOA!!! I LOVE MY POF 16″!!!!! With a Millet TRS-1 scope mounted, I was threading a needle at 600M. 5 shots = 1′5 inch diameter groups. Recoil is not at all what I’d expect from a .308. I was chomping at the bit after my first failed range trip, so I put about 280 rounds down range, and it ran them like butter.

Dan is greatly pleased with this new development.

Chris @ POF: If you’re listening: Thank you for the great customer service!

Dan S.(the “I should have sent it directly to you, but instead sent it to the shop I bought it at” guy)

]]> By: John Brewer http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-15119 John Brewer Sat, 26 Sep 2009 21:39:28 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-15119 Bought a p308 16" barrel. Broke it in properly. After 80 rounds, started getting problems. The empty casing was getting caught by the bolt carrier in the ejection port. Would get thirty or forty rounds through it, then a failure to eject agin. Spoke with Chris at pof, sent back the upper, and anxiously awaiting it's return. Hoping to get the same reliability as I've had with my m1a and hk91. The pof is a lighter weight rifle. Is an issue when hiking distances in mountainess terrain. Bought a p308 16″ barrel. Broke it in properly. After 80 rounds, started getting problems. The empty casing was getting caught by the bolt carrier in the ejection port. Would get thirty or forty rounds through it, then a failure to eject agin. Spoke with Chris at pof, sent back the upper, and anxiously awaiting it’s return. Hoping to get the same reliability as I’ve had with my m1a and hk91. The pof is a lighter weight rifle. Is an issue when hiking distances in mountainess terrain.

]]> By: Dennis http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-13795 Dennis Sun, 30 Aug 2009 01:49:10 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-13795 My upper arrived yesterday (Friday). I went shooting today. What a difference, I was able to shoot 1 inch groups at 100 yds. NO feed issues at all. I hate that I had problems but am very impressed on the quick turn round and accuracy now that it is repaired. I would recommend the the P-308. Chris at POF was great to work with. Dennis My upper arrived yesterday (Friday). I went shooting today. What a difference, I was able to shoot 1 inch groups at 100 yds. NO feed issues at all. I hate that I had problems but am very impressed on the quick turn round and accuracy now that it is repaired. I would recommend the the P-308. Chris at POF was great to work with.

Dennis

]]> By: jkaplan http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-13735 jkaplan Fri, 28 Aug 2009 22:15:55 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-13735 quality control indeed. really interesting to hear the same exact problems are happening all around. Now that they exchange out the "out of spec" bolt it works great. they did turn it around fast. quality control indeed. really interesting to hear the same exact problems are happening all around. Now that they exchange out the “out of spec” bolt it works great. they did turn it around fast.

]]> By: Dan http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-13730 Dan Fri, 28 Aug 2009 21:37:57 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-13730 It sounds like Patriot Ordnance Factory is having quality control problems. I've now spoken with five people with similar malfunctions. What's up with POF 2009? It sounds like Patriot Ordnance Factory is having quality control problems. I’ve now spoken with five people with similar malfunctions. What’s up with POF 2009?

]]> By: Dennis http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-13646 Dennis Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:59:47 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-13646 Received my long awaited P-308 with 20" barrel on 14-Aug. Took it to the range the next day. Put 5 rounds through it, it would chamber the first round with no problem but would not extract it after firing. The extractor would either cut the brass or dent it real bad, either way the casing was still in the barrel. I have sent it to POF for repair. I am trying to have positive thoughts... after a 51 week wait for the rifle I really want this to produce sub MOA. Dennis Received my long awaited P-308 with 20″ barrel on 14-Aug. Took it to the range the next day. Put 5 rounds through it, it would chamber the first round with no problem but would not extract it after firing. The extractor would either cut the brass or dent it real bad, either way the casing was still in the barrel. I have sent it to POF for repair. I am trying to have positive thoughts… after a 51 week wait for the rifle I really want this to produce sub MOA.

Dennis

]]> By: Gaidin43 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-13645 Gaidin43 Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:44:19 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-13645 Still waiting on my rifle, the rails and bolts are not completed yet. Chris has been updating me on the status, but still taking a long time. Hopefully, with this extra time they are putting into production they will have worked out all these issues people are experiencing. Even so, the system is still the next step in AR's and military rifles. Still waiting on my rifle, the rails and bolts are not completed yet. Chris has been updating me on the status, but still taking a long time. Hopefully, with this extra time they are putting into production they will have worked out all these issues people are experiencing. Even so, the system is still the next step in AR’s and military rifles.

]]> By: Dan http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-13618 Dan Wed, 26 Aug 2009 22:36:14 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-13618 I recently purchased a p-308 16" and had major problems with the weapon. Individually, rounds fired true, but after extraction, the rifle refused to chamber a second round. When I manually racked a round using the charging handle, sometimes a round would chamber, other times it would just mark up the round in the magazine. I ended up shipping it back to the store I bought it at for repair. I expected more from a well known, 'high-end' weaponsmith like pof-usa. I'll re-post when I get it back, but so far I'd say POF has some quality control issues. Dan I recently purchased a p-308 16″ and had major problems with the weapon. Individually, rounds fired true, but after extraction, the rifle refused to chamber a second round. When I manually racked a round using the charging handle, sometimes a round would chamber, other times it would just mark up the round in the magazine. I ended up shipping it back to the store I bought it at for repair. I expected more from a well known, ‘high-end’ weaponsmith like pof-usa. I’ll re-post when I get it back, but so far I’d say POF has some quality control issues.

Dan

]]> By: Richard http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-13370 Richard Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:58:30 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-13370 Waited 6 months for POF 20" through a dealer, then found one on Gunbroker. On initial cleaning I found severe fouling in the gas system and RUST on the gas piston. POF replaced the piston free in two days, but I thought it was CROS (corrosion resistant operating system)? Then at the range with 4 types of ammo (NATO 147gr, Win 147gr, Win 168gr Match, and Hor 168gr TAP) I got dismal accuarcy. Best group of 2.5 MOA w/ the TAP, worst of 6 MOA with the NATO 147gr. Had a friend with me who is a Highpower Match shooter and also had his HBAR AR with him. He had the same results with my rifle, and we both were able to get .75 MOA with his AR. After 70 rds I separated the upper and lower receivers and noticed silver metal flakes in the action. Appears the charging handle and bolt carrier where making contact somewhere during the firing cycle. I also found that several of the Hor TAP rds had punctured primers. Sent the upper back to POF yesterday. I'll give them one chance to fix it...if no joy I will go with the Rem 700P. Pretty disappointing to pay $2500 for a top-end rifle and then have quality control issues, but it seems a lot of other people have had the same experience. Waited 6 months for POF 20″ through a dealer, then found one on Gunbroker. On initial cleaning I found severe fouling in the gas system and RUST on the gas piston. POF replaced the piston free in two days, but I thought it was CROS (corrosion resistant operating system)? Then at the range with 4 types of ammo (NATO 147gr, Win 147gr, Win 168gr Match, and Hor 168gr TAP) I got dismal accuarcy. Best group of 2.5 MOA w/ the TAP, worst of 6 MOA with the NATO 147gr. Had a friend with me who is a Highpower Match shooter and also had his HBAR AR with him. He had the same results with my rifle, and we both were able to get .75 MOA with his AR. After 70 rds I separated the upper and lower receivers and noticed silver metal flakes in the action. Appears the charging handle and bolt carrier where making contact somewhere during the firing cycle. I also found that several of the Hor TAP rds had punctured primers. Sent the upper back to POF yesterday. I’ll give them one chance to fix it…if no joy I will go with the Rem 700P. Pretty disappointing to pay $2500 for a top-end rifle and then have quality control issues, but it seems a lot of other people have had the same experience.

]]> By: Shawn http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-12978 Shawn Fri, 07 Aug 2009 13:30:13 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-12978 Great post gaidin43 can't wait to get mine, already bought some federal gold match 168 bthp and some black hills 168 bthp cant wait to see how it shoots. Great post gaidin43 can’t wait to get mine, already bought some federal gold match 168 bthp and some black hills 168 bthp cant wait to see how it shoots.

]]> By: Gaidin43 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-12947 Gaidin43 Thu, 06 Aug 2009 12:56:23 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-12947 http://www.snipercentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13935 Good range report with pictures (100m, 200m, 500m) 16.5" 308 POF http://www.snipercentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13935

Good range report with pictures (100m, 200m, 500m) 16.5″ 308 POF

]]> By: Gaidin43 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-12946 Gaidin43 Thu, 06 Aug 2009 12:45:42 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-12946 I ordered my POF 308 16" back in November, 2008 and after having the order "misplaced" and a lot of follow up emails with Chris, it is coming in this week (August 2009). I have been nothing but impressed with the customer service they have given me to straighten this issue out. I will let you know how if fires when I get it to the range. Also, I have been around some groups in the military that are looking to make this their standard carry weapon, replacing the M-4's and variety of other weapons they carry now. The SR-25 is still on the top for other applications, but this one is being considered for Main Battle Rifle by the Marine Corps as well. I ordered my POF 308 16″ back in November, 2008 and after having the order “misplaced” and a lot of follow up emails with Chris, it is coming in this week (August 2009). I have been nothing but impressed with the customer service they have given me to straighten this issue out. I will let you know how if fires when I get it to the range.

Also, I have been around some groups in the military that are looking to make this their standard carry weapon, replacing the M-4’s and variety of other weapons they carry now. The SR-25 is still on the top for other applications, but this one is being considered for Main Battle Rifle by the Marine Corps as well.

]]> By: mrushing76 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-12587 mrushing76 Tue, 28 Jul 2009 05:37:23 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-12587 Update: My dealer/friend took it to the range with 4 different brands of ammo and both sizes (308 and 7.62) and only had one mishap of the round not getting picked up from the mag. Once I got it back I put 20 through it without a problem. Seems to be fine now. I think it maybe due to tight tolerances and just needs some rounds through it. I've also heard that eventhough it states no oil needed, many add a little oil. Update: My dealer/friend took it to the range with 4 different brands of ammo and both sizes (308 and 7.62) and only had one mishap of the round not getting picked up from the mag. Once I got it back I put 20 through it without a problem. Seems to be fine now. I think it maybe due to tight tolerances and just needs some rounds through it. I’ve also heard that eventhough it states no oil needed, many add a little oil.

]]> By: jkaplan http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-12586 jkaplan Tue, 28 Jul 2009 05:21:56 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-12586 pure zero interesting reading your post. i've been having the same problems. i have .308 with the 16" barrel. i got off of gunbroker auction sold by heritage firearms in texas as new. ive been to the range 3 times now. all a huge dissapointments. i sold my loaded M1A springfield to get this and have had nothing but problems. chris at pof was big help and said to ship upper to him. did that, got it back and still has the same problems. cant figure it out. im going to send whole gun back to them and hopefully figure out the problem. it keeps jamming. wont cycle at all. thought it was the magazine as CA can only have 10 rounders and have to use dpms clip. anyway will keep updated and keep ready posts here. pure zero interesting reading your post. i’ve been having the same problems. i have .308 with the 16″ barrel. i got off of gunbroker auction sold by heritage firearms in texas as new. ive been to the range 3 times now. all a huge dissapointments. i sold my loaded M1A springfield to get this and have had nothing but problems. chris at pof was big help and said to ship upper to him. did that, got it back and still has the same problems. cant figure it out. im going to send whole gun back to them and hopefully figure out the problem. it keeps jamming. wont cycle at all. thought it was the magazine as CA can only have 10 rounders and have to use dpms clip. anyway will keep updated and keep ready posts here.

]]> By: mrushing76 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-11745 mrushing76 Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:03:07 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-11745 My dealer friend took it to the range and tried several different ammos in 308 and 7.62 and only had one episode of a round not being picked up out of the mag. I'll get it back this week and try it again for myself. My dealer friend took it to the range and tried several different ammos in 308 and 7.62 and only had one episode of a round not being picked up out of the mag. I’ll get it back this week and try it again for myself.

]]> By: mrushing76 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-11684 mrushing76 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 03:46:50 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-11684 This sounds real familiar to me. I waited over 7 months for my 14.5" P308 to come and had serious problems. At first it wasn't loading the rounds out of the mag (first two rounds), then the it wouldn't eject the rounds leaving them stuck in the barrel. I had to use a fiberglass rods to drive the casings out. I wasn't shooting crap ammo (308 Win Fiocchi 150gr FMJ). I'm going to have my dealer send it back to get it fixed (I've got faith that POF will make things right). Now I read the comments above about the P308 being a 7.62 Nato and not a true 308 Win and needing to use ultra expensive match ammo to function properly...I have 2 problems with this. (1) bought 1500 rounds of ammo in 308 in anticipation of this rifle, because the rifle is advertised as a 308. (2) I read articles about this rifle and about how spectacular it was and that the military is very interested in it. If this is so, the military isn't going to be shooting match grade ammo. This rifle should be able to function with any surplus ammo. Out of all the AR's I own, I bought this to be the one rifle I grab with the "sh*t hits the fan" and I hope it get fixed and I can trust it to be reliable. This sounds real familiar to me. I waited over 7 months for my 14.5″ P308 to come and had serious problems. At first it wasn’t loading the rounds out of the mag (first two rounds), then the it wouldn’t eject the rounds leaving them stuck in the barrel. I had to use a fiberglass rods to drive the casings out. I wasn’t shooting crap ammo (308 Win Fiocchi 150gr FMJ). I’m going to have my dealer send it back to get it fixed (I’ve got faith that POF will make things right). Now I read the comments above about the P308 being a 7.62 Nato and not a true 308 Win and needing to use ultra expensive match ammo to function properly…I have 2 problems with this. (1) bought 1500 rounds of ammo in 308 in anticipation of this rifle, because the rifle is advertised as a 308. (2) I read articles about this rifle and about how spectacular it was and that the military is very interested in it. If this is so, the military isn’t going to be shooting match grade ammo. This rifle should be able to function with any surplus ammo. Out of all the AR’s I own, I bought this to be the one rifle I grab with the “sh*t hits the fan” and I hope it get fixed and I can trust it to be reliable.

]]> By: Shawn http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-11574 Shawn Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:13:23 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-11574 just ordered a p308 in feb and im hoping all the problems are worked out buy the time i get it. ron p ur thread is really the only thing keeping me from canceling my order i havent been having good luck with customer service, (problems getting ahold of people) i hope the product is worth the wait ive been doin quite a bit of digging on pof and have found quite a mix of experiences, i hope mine goes well i will have to post when i recieve mine. just ordered a p308 in feb and im hoping all the problems are worked out buy the time i get it. ron p ur thread is really the only thing keeping me from canceling my order i havent been having good luck with customer service, (problems getting ahold of people) i hope the product is worth the wait ive been doin quite a bit of digging on pof and have found quite a mix of experiences, i hope mine goes well i will have to post when i recieve mine.

]]> By: MARK http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-10879 MARK Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:41:59 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-10879 You all seem to know your stuff. I spent a lot of bucks on my POF-USA P415 and have had problems every time out with the hex nut backing out of the piston tube. Chris@POF has stood behind the product and sent me a new upper, however first time out, this one has the same problem. Its not like you can just snug up the hex nut. To get to it you have to remove the rail system. Is anyone else having this problem? You all seem to know your stuff. I spent a lot of bucks on my POF-USA P415 and have had problems every time out with the hex nut backing out of the piston tube. Chris@POF has stood behind the product and sent me a new upper, however first time out, this one has the same problem. Its not like you can just snug up the hex nut. To get to it you have to remove the rail system. Is anyone else having this problem?

]]> By: Ron Paquette http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-9333 Ron Paquette Fri, 08 May 2009 01:29:44 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-9333 Well after writing the comment about my less than satisfactory experience with my 16" POF I called Chris at POF and he said that they stand behind their Rifles and to send it in and they would make it right. So I boxed it up and sent it back with a letter explaining what ammo I used and how I used the bore snake in between rounds. I also said in the letter that I was really wanting a 20" at the time that I bought my rifle and hat if he wanted to change out the 16 for a 20 that I would be willing to pay any fee that he thought would be appropriate. So 10 days later I got a email telling me that my rifle with a new 20" upper was on the way, no charge. The happy ending is that I now shoot 3/8" groups with federal gold match 168gr ammo. Its a great rifle and I now feel that it was worth the money. I am really impressed with the service I got from POF and Chris. Oh BTW I ve been shooting 100 yards. Well after writing the comment about my less than satisfactory experience with my 16″ POF I called Chris at POF and he said that they stand behind their Rifles and to send it in and they would make it right. So I boxed it up and sent it back with a letter explaining what ammo I used and how I used the bore snake in between rounds. I also said in the letter that I was really wanting a 20″ at the time that I bought my rifle and hat if he wanted to change out the 16 for a 20 that I would be willing to pay any fee that he thought would be appropriate. So 10 days later I got a email telling me that my rifle with a new 20″ upper was on the way, no charge. The happy ending is that I now shoot 3/8″ groups with federal gold match 168gr ammo. Its a great rifle and I now feel that it was worth the money. I am really impressed with the service I got from POF and Chris. Oh BTW I ve been shooting 100 yards.

]]> By: Pure Zero http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-9294 Pure Zero Thu, 07 May 2009 02:22:25 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-9294 All great points, Wade. The physics of what's going on inside chamber and barrel when modern day ammo is fired is almost mind boggling. One must really know what they are about, do their homework, and work up hand loads - load development - carefully and methodically. If I could afford it I would be very content to use only factory match grade ammo. BTW Wade, have you heard anything from POF on your P308? How about rotortuner and Ron P.? Any new developments with your POF rifles? You guys are the ones who inspired me to tell "my story" here. All great points, Wade. The physics of what’s going on inside chamber and barrel when modern day ammo is fired is almost mind boggling. One must really know what they are about, do their homework, and work up hand loads – load development – carefully and methodically. If I could afford it I would be very content to use only factory match grade ammo.

BTW Wade, have you heard anything from POF on your P308? How about rotortuner and Ron P.? Any new developments with your POF rifles? You guys are the ones who inspired me to tell “my story” here.

]]> By: Wade http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-9280 Wade Wed, 06 May 2009 21:07:26 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-9280 PUREZERO, Ditty what dstewert said. Though reloading is not a black art, there is a considerable amount of science to it. If it's done carelessly or without proper knowledge, the results can be frustrating or tragic. I've seen reloaded rounds with primers poking out too far that made them slam fire as soon as the bolt seated. Very dangerous. I've seen improper lubrication used that turned entire batches into duds, and I know a fellow who loaded rounds way too hot and turned his nice new weapon into a hand grenade. Fortunately he didn't get hurt. When it's done right, reloaded ammo can be customized for a particular weapon, often allowing it to hit harder and/or achieve better accuracty. For a weapon like the P308 I think I'd skick with high quality factory (match grade) ammo unless you have some time on your hands and want to save some money. If so, do yourself a favo and take the time to learn how to do it right and also research and carry out proper "load development." If you comb the forums you might just luck out and find someone who could tell you the ideal formual for your rilfe. PUREZERO, Ditty what dstewert said. Though reloading is not a black art, there is a considerable amount of science to it. If it’s done carelessly or without proper knowledge, the results can be frustrating or tragic. I’ve seen reloaded rounds with primers poking out too far that made them slam fire as soon as the bolt seated. Very dangerous. I’ve seen improper lubrication used that turned entire batches into duds, and I know a fellow who loaded rounds way too hot and turned his nice new weapon into a hand grenade. Fortunately he didn’t get hurt. When it’s done right, reloaded ammo can be customized for a particular weapon, often allowing it to hit harder and/or achieve better accuracty. For a weapon like the P308 I think I’d skick with high quality factory (match grade) ammo unless you have some time on your hands and want to save some money. If so, do yourself a favo and take the time to learn how to do it right and also research and carry out proper “load development.” If you comb the forums you might just luck out and find someone who could tell you the ideal formual for your rilfe.

]]> By: Pure Zero http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-9253 Pure Zero Wed, 06 May 2009 05:57:26 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-9253 Thanks response-guy - I appreciate your input. I didn't use any solvent at all. Gun was brand new. I agree with your recommendation on lube, and that's pretty much what I do with my (non-POF) AR-15. It runs flawlessly. The interesting thing about the POF uppers is they have a "Silicone Nickel" plating treatment and their claim is you can run their gas piston systems with no lube at all. Well, I will admit that the thought of that freaked me out a bit, so I did apply a very light gun oil to the bolt and carrier before I headed for the range. The chrome plated bolt and carrier in this gun are ultra smooth in movement. "Like silk" is a good description. My problem is with chambering and extraction. Rounds seem to strip off the magazine just fine so I think the bolt must be moving back freely. dstewart - I have had good luck with quality reloads in my AR-15. No reason why they would not work in AR-10 types. The key is making sure you are using reloads built to the proper specifications. There are a lot of variables. Most serious target shooters use nothing but reloads. Thanks response-guy – I appreciate your input. I didn’t use any solvent at all. Gun was brand new. I agree with your recommendation on lube, and that’s pretty much what I do with my (non-POF) AR-15. It runs flawlessly. The interesting thing about the POF uppers is they have a “Silicone Nickel” plating treatment and their claim is you can run their gas piston systems with no lube at all. Well, I will admit that the thought of that freaked me out a bit, so I did apply a very light gun oil to the bolt and carrier before I headed for the range. The chrome plated bolt and carrier in this gun are ultra smooth in movement. “Like silk” is a good description. My problem is with chambering and extraction. Rounds seem to strip off the magazine just fine so I think the bolt must be moving back freely.

dstewart – I have had good luck with quality reloads in my AR-15. No reason why they would not work in AR-10 types. The key is making sure you are using reloads built to the proper specifications. There are a lot of variables. Most serious target shooters use nothing but reloads.

]]> By: dstewart http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-9235 dstewart Tue, 05 May 2009 20:17:57 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-9235 Most of you seem to know quite a bit more about this rifle than I do. A very generic question from the novice; Do you think reloaded ammo will cycle through cleanly? Not just for the POF but others of the AR-10 type. Most of you seem to know quite a bit more about this rifle than I do. A very generic question from the novice; Do you think reloaded ammo will cycle through cleanly? Not just for the POF but others of the AR-10 type.

]]> By: response-guy http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-9213 response-guy Tue, 05 May 2009 12:33:30 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-9213 pure zero, while it could be a headspace issue, the more common cause is a "dry" bolt. Is it possible that you cleaned it and got bore solvent in the action? If so, completely lube moving parts with a high quality metal sealer. Tetra grease is a good example. You don't want gobs of grease. Grease it, buff it, grease it again, and buff it again. This seals the pores in the metal. The bolt should then ride like silk, and have sufficient movement to retract fully, and pick up the next cartridge. pure zero, while it could be a headspace issue, the more common cause is a “dry” bolt. Is it possible that you cleaned it and got bore solvent in the action? If so, completely lube moving parts with a high quality metal sealer. Tetra grease is a good example. You don’t want gobs of grease. Grease it, buff it, grease it again, and buff it again. This seals the pores in the metal. The bolt should then ride like silk, and have sufficient movement to retract fully, and pick up the next cartridge.

]]> By: Pure Zero http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-9153 Pure Zero Sun, 03 May 2009 18:23:53 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-9153 Hey guys, I recently spent huge bucks on a POF P-308 and had a very disappointing experience the 1st time out. I had major feed and extraction problems. Tried 5 different kinds of ammo and got similar results. Many would either not seat in the camber completely, causing the bolt to fail to go completely into battery (forward assist was no help), or if fully seated and fired, some cases would not extract. Had to force the extraction by hooking the charging handle on the shooting bench edge and bumping the butt stock with my hip! Those rounds, and the few that did eject automatically, had quite visible "ripping" marks from the extractor on the case rim. Also noticed a somewhat triangular shaped burnish mark left about 1/2 way up the side of the brass cases that had been chambered. Never got to check accuracy as I was too busy trying to figure out the malfunctioning problem. You think I have a improperly sized chamber? A headspace problem maybe? Hey guys, I recently spent huge bucks on a POF P-308 and had a very disappointing experience the 1st time out. I had major feed and extraction problems. Tried 5 different kinds of ammo and got similar results. Many would either not seat in the camber completely, causing the bolt to fail to go completely into battery (forward assist was no help), or if fully seated and fired, some cases would not extract. Had to force the extraction by hooking the charging handle on the shooting bench edge and bumping the butt stock with my hip! Those rounds, and the few that did eject automatically, had quite visible “ripping” marks from the extractor on the case rim. Also noticed a somewhat triangular shaped burnish mark left about 1/2 way up the side of the brass cases that had been chambered. Never got to check accuracy as I was too busy trying to figure out the malfunctioning problem. You think I have a improperly sized chamber? A headspace problem maybe?

]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-7407 Steve Sun, 15 Mar 2009 04:13:54 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-7407 Ron, at what range did you get the 2" group? Ron, at what range did you get the 2″ group?

]]> By: Ron Paquette http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-7406 Ron Paquette Sun, 15 Mar 2009 04:13:09 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-7406 I just got back from the range for the second time with my 16" 308 POF and had the same results. I shot one group of just under 2" once, everything else was hit or miss. It wasn't consistent at all. I shot better groups with my 16" para tactical FAL that day with a 80 dollar Chinese scope. I am disappointed with this rifle to say the least. I don't know what to do. I just got back from the range for the second time with my 16″ 308 POF and had the same results. I shot one group of just under 2″ once, everything else was hit or miss. It wasn’t consistent at all. I shot better groups with my 16″ para tactical FAL that day with a 80 dollar Chinese scope. I am disappointed with this rifle to say the least. I don’t know what to do.

]]> By: rotortuner http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-6984 rotortuner Mon, 02 Mar 2009 03:35:05 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-6984 I bought a P308 last November and just got around to shooting it in the last couple weeks. I put a leupold mark 4 4-16 on it. good rings, harris bipod etc. I was pretty impressed with the workmanship on the rifle. I did the clean one fire one break in procedure for the first 20 rounds. I didn't even look at the groups since i wasn't using match grade ammo. Then i picked up some of the blackhills 168 match and some of the federal gold match and headed out. Needless to say I got it somewhat zeroed and then tried for groups. I would get about 2 shots sub moa then one would fly 3 or 4 inches out. tried different ammo same story. Then i shot a friend rem 700 that is a .25 moa gun and i shot around .3-.4 or so. I let my friend try the pof and he had the same issue, one or two good shots then a flyer that would be inches out. I came home tonight and was looking it all over and noticed that the gas black was touch the inside of the rail. I thought it was odd when my scope needed a 25 moa right adjustment when I moved it onto the this rifle! So then i come on here and read the above post by wade. same issue as what i found and seams like this is probably my culprate as well. I was really starting to get frustrated, since i spent about $80 on ammo and the gun was very expensive. needless to say, tomorrow POF is getting a call. Hopefully they can gut it straightened out and it will return a sub moa gun. I bought a P308 last November and just got around to shooting it in the last couple weeks. I put a leupold mark 4 4-16 on it. good rings, harris bipod etc. I was pretty impressed with the workmanship on the rifle. I did the clean one fire one break in procedure for the first 20 rounds. I didn’t even look at the groups since i wasn’t using match grade ammo. Then i picked up some of the blackhills 168 match and some of the federal gold match and headed out. Needless to say I got it somewhat zeroed and then tried for groups. I would get about 2 shots sub moa then one would fly 3 or 4 inches out. tried different ammo same story. Then i shot a friend rem 700 that is a .25 moa gun and i shot around .3-.4 or so. I let my friend try the pof and he had the same issue, one or two good shots then a flyer that would be inches out. I came home tonight and was looking it all over and noticed that the gas black was touch the inside of the rail. I thought it was odd when my scope needed a 25 moa right adjustment when I moved it onto the this rifle! So then i come on here and read the above post by wade. same issue as what i found and seams like this is probably my culprate as well. I was really starting to get frustrated, since i spent about $80 on ammo and the gun was very expensive. needless to say, tomorrow POF is getting a call. Hopefully they can gut it straightened out and it will return a sub moa gun.

]]> By: Wade http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-6979 Wade Mon, 02 Mar 2009 02:18:05 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-6979 Will do Steve. Just another thing to do when I'd rather be shooting it. I'm hoping that with the mad rush to keep up with the crazy demand going on right now that I don't get left in the dust. We'll see if POF's customer service is as good as their reputation for quality. Will do Steve. Just another thing to do when I’d rather be shooting it. I’m hoping that with the mad rush to keep up with the crazy demand going on right now that I don’t get left in the dust. We’ll see if POF’s customer service is as good as their reputation for quality.

]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-6828 Steve Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:59:26 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-6828 Wade, that is some bad luck :( Have you shipped it back yet? Please let us know how it functions with the replacement/repaired upper Wade, that is some bad luck :( Have you shipped it back yet? Please let us know how it functions with the replacement/repaired upper

]]> By: Wade http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-6827 Wade Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:10:32 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-6827 Here's a POF P308 range report of sorts: I purchased my brand new P308 SPR with 20in. barrel, about a year ago but due to travel and work could not get a chance to shoot it until last summer. Grrr. While waiting I mounted a new Horus Vision 5-20x scope on ARMS throw lever rings and stocked up on match grade .308 from Black Hills, Federal Gold, and Winchester. All were high-end match loads with 168 grain match bullets with the exception of one 175 grain match load. After getting the set-up zeroed I settled down for some careful accuracy testing. I was quite disappointed as the rifle would not be consistent. The best I could do was one or two slightly sub 2 inch groups while most were larger and some went as wide as 6 inches! Now I can definitely shoot MOA with a rifle and ammo that are up to it, and I was definitely taking my time and feeling comfortable during the two range sessions I spent with the gun I should also note that I was following good break-n procedure and cleaning the bore often. During zeroing I carefully scrubbed the bore between each shot fired. And afterwards I did so between each test group. There is one important caveat here and that is that I knew the rifle to have a flaw when I shot it. Before I had a chance to shot the weapon, while I was fondling it one day I noticed that the piston gas block mounted on the barrel right where it emerges from the rail system appeared to rotated maybe five degrees clockwise when looking down the business end of the bore. Now, the way this rifle comes from the factory there is very little clearance between the outside surfaces of the gas block and the inside surfaces of the rail system that surrounds it. Far too little as far as I can see. On my rifle the combination of the tight fit and the misalignment causes the gas block to actually TOUCH the inside of the Predator handguard/rail system. I verified this by attempting to slide a piece of paper between them. No-go. This point of contact no doubt compromises the free-floating of the barrel, and at the worst possible point. My guess is that this probably had much to do with the lack of consistent accuracy that I experienced. I've contacted Chris at POF and he invited me ship the upper back to them to hopefully have it corrected. I'm disappointed, to say the least. A year's wait, all that money spent on a high-end rifle, and it shoots like an old SKS! I hope to have better things to say about it when I get it back and have a chance to re-test it. Stay tuned. Anyone else have any P308 experiences to share, especially with a 20 inch barrel? I could use some encouragement but we want to hear it all, good or bad. Here’s a POF P308 range report of sorts: I purchased my brand new P308 SPR with 20in. barrel, about a year ago but due to travel and work could not get a chance to shoot it until last summer. Grrr. While waiting I mounted a new Horus Vision 5-20x scope on ARMS throw lever rings and stocked up on match grade .308 from Black Hills, Federal Gold, and Winchester. All were high-end match loads with 168 grain match bullets with the exception of one 175 grain match load. After getting the set-up zeroed I settled down for some careful accuracy testing. I was quite disappointed as the rifle would not be consistent. The best I could do was one or two slightly sub 2 inch groups while most were larger and some went as wide as 6 inches! Now I can definitely shoot MOA with a rifle and ammo that are up to it, and I was definitely taking my time and feeling comfortable during the two range sessions I spent with the gun I should also note that I was following good break-n procedure and cleaning the bore often. During zeroing I carefully scrubbed the bore between each shot fired. And afterwards I did so between each test group. There is one important caveat here and that is that I knew the rifle to have a flaw when I shot it. Before I had a chance to shot the weapon, while I was fondling it one day I noticed that the piston gas block mounted on the barrel right where it emerges from the rail system appeared to rotated maybe five degrees clockwise when looking down the business end of the bore. Now, the way this rifle comes from the factory there is very little clearance between the outside surfaces of the gas block and the inside surfaces of the rail system that surrounds it. Far too little as far as I can see. On my rifle the combination of the tight fit and the misalignment causes the gas block to actually TOUCH the inside of the Predator handguard/rail system. I verified this by attempting to slide a piece of paper between them. No-go. This point of contact no doubt compromises the free-floating of the barrel, and at the worst possible point. My guess is that this probably had much to do with the lack of consistent accuracy that I experienced. I’ve contacted Chris at POF and he invited me ship the upper back to them to hopefully have it corrected. I’m disappointed, to say the least. A year’s wait, all that money spent on a high-end rifle, and it shoots like an old SKS! I hope to have better things to say about it when I get it back and have a chance to re-test it. Stay tuned. Anyone else have any P308 experiences to share, especially with a 20 inch barrel? I could use some encouragement but we want to hear it all, good or bad.

]]> By: Bryan http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-6255 Bryan Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:49:22 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-6255 There was a great review done by Defense Review. They stated that with the 16-inch barrel they were able to achieve sub-half minute-of-angle groups out of the box with no break in. Here is the article. http://www.pof-usa.com/articles/GW_POF-USA_P308_%5B1%5D.pdf There was a great review done by Defense Review. They stated that with the 16-inch barrel they were able to achieve sub-half minute-of-angle groups out of the box with no break in. Here is the article.

http://www.pof-usa.com/articles/GW_POF-USA_P308_%5B1%5D.pdf

]]> By: response-guy http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-5523 response-guy Sat, 24 Jan 2009 01:34:26 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-5523 I'm impressed with this rifle's reliabilty ratings, but wonder why I can't find MOA specs. Is anyone able to comment od accuracy? I’m impressed with this rifle’s reliabilty ratings, but wonder why I can’t find MOA specs.

Is anyone able to comment od accuracy?

]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-3405 Steve Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:50:03 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-3405 There is a difference between the rounds (pressure), but generally you can fit .308 rounds in a 7.62x51 chamber. If they say it can handle .308 then I am sure it can. There is a difference between the rounds (pressure), but generally you can fit .308 rounds in a 7.62×51 chamber. If they say it can handle .308 then I am sure it can.

]]> By: Dennis http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-3403 Dennis Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:12:23 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/21/pof-usa-p-308/#comment-3403 What ammo have you fired in the P-308? I spoke to POF and they tell me the P-308 has NATO reamers. Based on my calculations it will not fire .308, yet POF, over the phone, says it will. What is reality? What ammo have you fired in the P-308? I spoke to POF and they tell me the P-308 has NATO reamers. Based on my calculations it will not fire .308, yet POF, over the phone, says it will.

What is reality?

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