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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/18/sh-2-bore-blackpowder-express/#comment-6406</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 01:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam, very interesting. Do you know of any diagrams from back in the day showing these explosive rounds?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam, very interesting. Do you know of any diagrams from back in the day showing these explosive rounds?</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Mazzei</title>
		<link>http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/18/sh-2-bore-blackpowder-express/#comment-6405</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Mazzei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 01:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As if a massive two bore is not impressive enough, Samuel White Baker, in one of his several books about his explorations in Africa &quot;The Nile Tributaries of Abyssinia and The Sword Hunters of the Hamran Arabs&quot; also mentions that he some of the projectiles that he carried for this gun that were rather similar to &quot;grenades&quot;.  These projectiles contained, in addition, a bursting charge of black powder (with a cap at the front end) that would fire the black powder charge inside the projectile on entering the body of the target animal (usually an elephant). 

An additional interesting fact contained in this book is what may be the first mention (in print) of the &quot;Al-Quida&quot;.

This book also contains an interesting account of elephant hunting by The Hamran Arabs, who would pursue an elephant on hoseback, and then as the elephant began to slow, they would dismount (during the chase) and slash the achilles tendon of the elephants rear leg with a large sharp sword  (Elephant are unable to run, or even to walk, on three legs, so an elephant with one leg disabled is essentially &quot;pinned&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As if a massive two bore is not impressive enough, Samuel White Baker, in one of his several books about his explorations in Africa &#8220;The Nile Tributaries of Abyssinia and The Sword Hunters of the Hamran Arabs&#8221; also mentions that he some of the projectiles that he carried for this gun that were rather similar to &#8220;grenades&#8221;.  These projectiles contained, in addition, a bursting charge of black powder (with a cap at the front end) that would fire the black powder charge inside the projectile on entering the body of the target animal (usually an elephant). </p>
<p>An additional interesting fact contained in this book is what may be the first mention (in print) of the &#8220;Al-Quida&#8221;.</p>
<p>This book also contains an interesting account of elephant hunting by The Hamran Arabs, who would pursue an elephant on hoseback, and then as the elephant began to slow, they would dismount (during the chase) and slash the achilles tendon of the elephants rear leg with a large sharp sword  (Elephant are unable to run, or even to walk, on three legs, so an elephant with one leg disabled is essentially &#8220;pinned&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor Krueger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victor Krueger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 01:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to see comparison to 12ga 2.75&quot; shotgun, 40mm M79/M203 launcher grenade, and 40mm Mk. 19 launcher grenade.  I suspect that the Mk 19 40mm grenade cartridge would be less punishing to the shooter if someone made a rifle chambered for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to see comparison to 12ga 2.75&#8243; shotgun, 40mm M79/M203 launcher grenade, and 40mm Mk. 19 launcher grenade.  I suspect that the Mk 19 40mm grenade cartridge would be less punishing to the shooter if someone made a rifle chambered for it.</p>
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		<title>By: N.U.G.U.N.</title>
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		<dc:creator>N.U.G.U.N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should add a .357 Magnum and a .22 to that comparison photo. As I actually know how big those two rounds are.

:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should add a .357 Magnum and a .22 to that comparison photo. As I actually know how big those two rounds are.</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 06:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If i ever go hunting in Africa that is gonna be my choice gun.That will anhialate anything in its path.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If i ever go hunting in Africa that is gonna be my choice gun.That will anhialate anything in its path.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/18/sh-2-bore-blackpowder-express/#comment-2241</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/18/sh-2-bore-blackpowder-express/#comment-2240&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Giles Whittome&lt;/a&gt;:

Hi Giles, any chance you can email me some photos of the 2-bore to post on the blog. My email address is on the top of the left sidebar.

Best Regards,

Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/18/sh-2-bore-blackpowder-express/#comment-2240" rel="nofollow"> Giles Whittome</a>:</p>
<p>Hi Giles, any chance you can email me some photos of the 2-bore to post on the blog. My email address is on the top of the left sidebar.</p>
<p>Best Regards,</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Giles Whittome</title>
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		<dc:creator>Giles Whittome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 09:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, there is a currently-made 2-bore rifle, which I have made for the Royal Armouries as an exhibition piece.  It fires 3,500-grain slugs with twenty or twenty-four drams of powder, and can be seen in action on the website of the Shooting Times magazine in England. Cartridges are one hundred dollars each, and the price of the rifle will be governed mainly by the features desired, but will be measured in the tens of thousands of dollars.    Using the famous Taylor Knockout values, which give a much better indication of killing power than just kinetic energy, the.600 gives 161, but the 2-bore gives over 700, so it is effectively like firing four .600s simultaneously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, there is a currently-made 2-bore rifle, which I have made for the Royal Armouries as an exhibition piece.  It fires 3,500-grain slugs with twenty or twenty-four drams of powder, and can be seen in action on the website of the Shooting Times magazine in England. Cartridges are one hundred dollars each, and the price of the rifle will be governed mainly by the features desired, but will be measured in the tens of thousands of dollars.    Using the famous Taylor Knockout values, which give a much better indication of killing power than just kinetic energy, the.600 gives 161, but the 2-bore gives over 700, so it is effectively like firing four .600s simultaneously.</p>
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		<title>By: Cost of big bore ammunition &#124; The Firearm Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cost of big bore ammunition &#124; The Firearm Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Macifej</title>
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		<dc:creator>Macifej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 05:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sir Samuel Baker&#039;s rifle &quot;Baby&quot; was technically closer to a 3 bore. It was rifle #1526 made at Holland &amp; Holland, London in 1869 London.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir Samuel Baker&#8217;s rifle &#8220;Baby&#8221; was technically closer to a 3 bore. It was rifle #1526 made at Holland &amp; Holland, London in 1869 London.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay.Mac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay.Mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great stuff. That guy obviously viewed shooting as a contact sport!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff. That guy obviously viewed shooting as a contact sport!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay, great find! Wow, that is one big rifle! I did not find any information on people making the 2 bore. I guess that any made now are fully custom jobs.

The english explorer Sir Samuel Baker was keen on the 2 bore:

&lt;blockquote&gt; &quot;but as I rushed toward him with a shout, he turned toward the jungle, and I immediately fired a steady shot at the shoulder with the &quot;Baby.&quot; As usual, the &lt;strong&gt;fearful recoil of the rifle, with a half-pound shell and twelve drams of powder, nearly threw me backward&lt;/strong&gt;; but I saw the mark upon the elephant&#039;s shoulder, in an excellent line, although rather high.&quot;  

  &quot;My second rifle was beautifully handed, and I made a quick right and left at the temples of two fine elephants, dropping them both stone dead. At this moment the &quot;Baby&quot; was pushed into my hand by Hadji Ali just in time to take the shoulder of the last of the herd, who had already charged headlong after his comrades and was disappearing in the jungle. Bang! went the &quot;Baby;&quot; round I spun like a weathercock, &lt;strong&gt;with the blood pouring from my nose, as the recoil had driven the sharp top of the hammer deep into the bridge. My &quot;Baby&quot; not only screamed, but kicked viciously&lt;/strong&gt;. However, I knew that the elephant must be bagged, as the &lt;strong&gt;half-pound shell had been aimed directly behind the shoulder&lt;/strong&gt;.&quot; 

 &quot;I was within fifteen paces of them, and so compactly were they packed that with all their immense strength they could not at once force so extensive a front through the tough and powerful branches of the dense kittar. For about half a minute they were absolutely checked, and they bored forward with all their might in their determination to open a road through the matted thorns. The elastic boughs, bent from their position, sprang back with dangerous force, and would have fractured the skull of any one who came within their sweep. A very large elephant was on the left flank, and for an instant he turned obliquely to the left. I quickly seized the opportunity and fired the &quot;Baby,&quot; with an explosive shell, aimed far back in the flank, trusting that it would penetrate beneath the opposite shoulder. The recoil of the &quot;Baby,&quot; loaded with ten drams of the strongest powder and a half-pound shell, spun me round like a top. &lt;strong&gt;It was difficult to say which was staggered the more severely, the elephant or myself&lt;/strong&gt;.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I love that last line &quot;&lt;strong&gt;It was difficult to say which was staggered the more severely, the elephant or myself&lt;/strong&gt;.&quot; :D

(h/t &lt;a href=&quot;http://forums.sjgames.com/showpost.php?s=3ccad8ee9b863d1125bce41af364c665&amp;p=218167&amp;postcount=12&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sam&lt;/a&gt;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay, great find! Wow, that is one big rifle! I did not find any information on people making the 2 bore. I guess that any made now are fully custom jobs.</p>
<p>The english explorer Sir Samuel Baker was keen on the 2 bore:</p>
<blockquote><p> &#8220;but as I rushed toward him with a shout, he turned toward the jungle, and I immediately fired a steady shot at the shoulder with the &#8220;Baby.&#8221; As usual, the <strong>fearful recoil of the rifle, with a half-pound shell and twelve drams of powder, nearly threw me backward</strong>; but I saw the mark upon the elephant&#8217;s shoulder, in an excellent line, although rather high.&#8221;  </p>
<p>  &#8220;My second rifle was beautifully handed, and I made a quick right and left at the temples of two fine elephants, dropping them both stone dead. At this moment the &#8220;Baby&#8221; was pushed into my hand by Hadji Ali just in time to take the shoulder of the last of the herd, who had already charged headlong after his comrades and was disappearing in the jungle. Bang! went the &#8220;Baby;&#8221; round I spun like a weathercock, <strong>with the blood pouring from my nose, as the recoil had driven the sharp top of the hammer deep into the bridge. My &#8220;Baby&#8221; not only screamed, but kicked viciously</strong>. However, I knew that the elephant must be bagged, as the <strong>half-pound shell had been aimed directly behind the shoulder</strong>.&#8221; </p>
<p> &#8220;I was within fifteen paces of them, and so compactly were they packed that with all their immense strength they could not at once force so extensive a front through the tough and powerful branches of the dense kittar. For about half a minute they were absolutely checked, and they bored forward with all their might in their determination to open a road through the matted thorns. The elastic boughs, bent from their position, sprang back with dangerous force, and would have fractured the skull of any one who came within their sweep. A very large elephant was on the left flank, and for an instant he turned obliquely to the left. I quickly seized the opportunity and fired the &#8220;Baby,&#8221; with an explosive shell, aimed far back in the flank, trusting that it would penetrate beneath the opposite shoulder. The recoil of the &#8220;Baby,&#8221; loaded with ten drams of the strongest powder and a half-pound shell, spun me round like a top. <strong>It was difficult to say which was staggered the more severely, the elephant or myself</strong>.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I love that last line &#8220;<strong>It was difficult to say which was staggered the more severely, the elephant or myself</strong>.&#8221; <img src='http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>(h/t <a href="http://forums.sjgames.com/showpost.php?s=3ccad8ee9b863d1125bce41af364c665&#038;p=218167&#038;postcount=12" rel="nofollow">sam</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: Jay.Mac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay.Mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome pictures. Do you happen to know if anyone manufactures a 2-bore rifle?

I found a photo of a 2-bore, luckily along with normal scale rifles-

http://crypticsubterranean.blogspot.com/2008/02/2-bore.html

Forget the videos of the guys shooting the .577 Tyrannosaur, I want to see the 2-bore in action!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome pictures. Do you happen to know if anyone manufactures a 2-bore rifle?</p>
<p>I found a photo of a 2-bore, luckily along with normal scale rifles-</p>
<p><a href="http://crypticsubterranean.blogspot.com/2008/02/2-bore.html" rel="nofollow">http://crypticsubterranean.blogspot.com/2008/02/2-bore.html</a></p>
<p>Forget the videos of the guys shooting the .577 Tyrannosaur, I want to see the 2-bore in action!</p>
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