Comments on: AKs mounted on Chineses artillery barrels http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/ Firearms not Politics Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:38:33 +1300 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Nick http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-11533 Nick Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:20:38 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-11533 Has anyone ever thought that they just felt like it? haha Has anyone ever thought that they just felt like it? haha

]]> By: P http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-6843 P Thu, 26 Feb 2009 04:55:09 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-6843 They are tracer firing AK's These are probably bare recruits who are learning gun laying in the very first stages. they are probably shooting at model airplanes or high wire strung targets which are drawn across the line of sight and the tracer allows the newb gunner to understand leading the target and provides a rough grading curve of the RO or Instructor. My grandfather was trained as a merchant gunner in WW2 and talked about shooting a bofors with a .30 cal mounted on the same trunnion that would be used for initial training. They shot at long segments of fabric towed behind out of date aircraft, and part of the reasoning was a .30 cal would do much less damage to the tow craft than a 40 millimeter when and it was when not if, the novice gun crew would miss. Also it was pennies a shot for .30 cal, verses dollars a shot for the 40 mm. granted the trajectory was not the same, but the concept was. They are tracer firing AK’s These are probably bare recruits who are learning gun laying in the very first stages. they are probably shooting at model airplanes or high wire strung targets which are drawn across the line of sight and the tracer allows the newb gunner to understand leading the target and provides a rough grading curve of the RO or Instructor.

My grandfather was trained as a merchant gunner in WW2 and talked about shooting a bofors with a .30 cal mounted on the same trunnion that would be used for initial training. They shot at long segments of fabric towed behind out of date aircraft, and part of the reasoning was a .30 cal would do much less damage to the tow craft than a 40 millimeter when and it was when not if, the novice gun crew would miss. Also it was pennies a shot for .30 cal, verses dollars a shot for the 40 mm. granted the trajectory was not the same, but the concept was.

]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-2808 Steve Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:15:43 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-2808 HA thomas, you are on a roll today! HA

thomas, you are on a roll today!

]]> By: thomas http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-2805 thomas Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:01:37 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-2805 Not tires, targets. AK's mounted there by government regulation. Not tires, targets.

AK’s mounted there by government regulation.

]]> By: capt.kevin.d gordon-smith http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-2777 capt.kevin.d gordon-smith Sun, 07 Sep 2008 11:28:01 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-2777 well i would guess,when they travel a the cannon is lowered and a wire is connected to the ak-47 to fire if needed because a bullet is cheaper than a cannon round! just my guess oh those white walls are xtra thick rubber,well i had a 1932 plymouth and the white walls were really thick and very hard to punture from the side....just another guess well i would guess,when they travel a the cannon is lowered and a wire is connected to the ak-47 to fire if
needed because a bullet is cheaper than a cannon round!
just my guess
oh those white walls are xtra thick rubber,well i had a 1932 plymouth and the white walls were really thick and
very hard to punture from the side….just another guess

]]> By: holy-terrorist http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-2582 holy-terrorist Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:00:22 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-2582 tient les ak47 aiment maitenant des mortier automatique tient les ak47 aiment maitenant des mortier automatique

]]> By: Boston http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-1497 Boston Tue, 19 Feb 2008 04:24:18 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-1497 AK-47 commercial... No, I think they can't be the actual sights since one is aligned differently compared to the other, instead it's more probable that they're trying to align their sights with with the actual shots by marking the shots using AKs and then adjusting the sights accordingly... make sense? AK-47 commercial…

No, I think they can’t be the actual sights since one is aligned differently compared to the other, instead it’s more probable that they’re trying to align their sights with with the actual shots by marking the shots using AKs and then adjusting the sights accordingly… make sense?

]]> By: Hizzoner http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-1495 Hizzoner Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:47:27 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-1495 You laugh now, but when the North Korean army humiliates all western armies, you will quake. You laugh now, but when the North Korean army humiliates all western armies, you will quake.

]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-1488 Steve Sun, 17 Feb 2008 22:45:49 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-1488 stencil, that is a great theory. They could be AKs from the Korean war. I know that the Chinese Type 56 had not come into service during the war but the Soviets were providing planes and even pilots so I would not be surprised if they gave the Chinese a few of their new AK-47 rifles to try out. stencil, that is a great theory. They could be AKs from the Korean war. I know that the Chinese Type 56 had not come into service during the war but the Soviets were providing planes and even pilots so I would not be surprised if they gave the Chinese a few of their new AK-47 rifles to try out.

]]> By: stencil http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-1487 stencil Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:07:01 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-1487 Magic. What you're seeing here is classic sympathetic magic, something that in a watered-down way leads to having team and unit mascots. The rifles probably came via Afghanistan, and will be certified to have been involved in the shootdown of Russian aircraft, just as saints' relics carry certification papers. These are Chinese: they learn nothing and they forget nothing. Just my guess, but I've got *faith* in it. . Magic. What you’re seeing here is classic sympathetic magic, something that in a watered-down way leads to having team and unit mascots. The rifles probably came via Afghanistan, and will be certified to have been involved in the shootdown of Russian aircraft, just as saints’ relics carry certification papers. These are Chinese: they learn nothing and they forget nothing.
Just my guess, but I’ve got *faith* in it.

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]]> By: djroot2 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-1467 djroot2 Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:40:38 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-1467 I assume they lower the barrel on them when they travel. Maybe some poor sod has to sit on it and cover the rear when they re-locate. I assume they lower the barrel on them when they travel. Maybe some poor sod has to sit on it and cover the rear when they re-locate.

]]> By: Hoffa509 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-1466 Hoffa509 Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:48:50 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-1466 The marines use a parallel mounted 9mm rifle to sight in one of their shoulder fired rockets. In the Army, we have an AT-4 simulator that fires a 9mm tracer round that is ballisticly similar to the AT-4. I seriously doubt you can find a 7.62x39 that is balisticly similar to those artillery pieces. Although, firing that AK with a magazine full of tracers might give some training value for tracking a target. On another note, our Air Defense Artillery branch got rid of all the artillery pieces a LONG time ago. They even got rid of the Vulcan, which was great in the ground defense role if nothing else. You have to love those tactical white walls though! The marines use a parallel mounted 9mm rifle to sight in one of their shoulder fired rockets. In the Army, we have an AT-4 simulator that fires a 9mm tracer round that is ballisticly similar to the AT-4. I seriously doubt you can find a 7.62×39 that is balisticly similar to those artillery pieces. Although, firing that AK with a magazine full of tracers might give some training value for tracking a target.
On another note, our Air Defense Artillery branch got rid of all the artillery pieces a LONG time ago. They even got rid of the Vulcan, which was great in the ground defense role if nothing else. You have to love those tactical white walls though!

]]> By: Evan http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-1463 Evan Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:25:47 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-1463 Maybe it's a prank they do to the new guys Maybe it’s a prank they do to the new guys

]]> By: John http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-1462 John Thu, 14 Feb 2008 21:23:55 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-1462 I think the A K adds to that NASCAR look their going after with those white walls it also high lights the olive drab I think the A K adds to that NASCAR look their going after with those white walls it also high lights the olive drab

]]> By: Stormin http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-1461 Stormin Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:15:54 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-1461 Actually, they look more like RPKs to me. Perhaps they are some jury-rigged attempt at a spotting system like the spotting rifle on a recoilless rifle system. Those whitewalls sure are tactical! :) Actually, they look more like RPKs to me. Perhaps they are some jury-rigged attempt at a spotting system like the spotting rifle on a recoilless rifle system. Those whitewalls sure are tactical! :)

]]> By: spacegoat http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-1456 spacegoat Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:22:21 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-1456 Being cash and resource-strapped the country is, the most logical (though everything coming out of NK seems to be illogical) explanation is to save ammo. Being cash and resource-strapped the country is, the most logical (though everything coming out of NK seems to be illogical) explanation is to save ammo.

]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-1451 Steve Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:54:09 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-1451 A while back I blogged about an RPG 'rocket' that was in fact a 7.62x39mm rifle. It could be fitted in a RPG launcher and fired. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2007/08/31/strange-guns-czech-live-fire-762x39mm-training-rocket/ This works fine for close range for learning to aim, as I am sure it worked on tanks. But I don't see how this would work for conventional artillery. For AA Artillery they could fill very big balloons that either have a controlled assent or are attached to the ground with a cable and practice aiming and popping them with tracers. Does anyone know if this is done by any other country? A while back I blogged about an RPG ‘rocket’ that was in fact a 7.62×39mm rifle. It could be fitted in a RPG launcher and fired.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2007/08/31/strange-guns-czech-live-fire-762×39mm-training-rocket/

This works fine for close range for learning to aim, as I am sure it worked on tanks. But I don’t see how this would work for conventional artillery.

For AA Artillery they could fill very big balloons that either have a controlled assent or are attached to the ground with a cable and practice aiming and popping them with tracers.

Does anyone know if this is done by any other country?

]]> By: jim ryder http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-1443 jim ryder Wed, 13 Feb 2008 11:30:45 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-1443 Military used to use a similar training device on its tanks in the 1980's, mounting a M16 on the gun tube of a tank. Expect these are for training as well. Military used to use a similar training device on its tanks in the 1980’s, mounting a M16 on the gun tube of a tank. Expect these are for training as well.

]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-1442 Steve Wed, 13 Feb 2008 10:52:12 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-1442 MarkJ, you are right, a lot of their guns are not functional. If you read the article I linked to above your will see the sheer amount of AA emplacements. They have a ridiculous amount of obsolete equipment. At least the civil war soldiers tried to fake guns. The Norks have even just painted planes on runways, the faint outlines can still be seen on Google Earth: http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/4352/nkfakemigs4ym6.jpg MarkJ, you are right, a lot of their guns are not functional. If you read the article I linked to above your will see the sheer amount of AA emplacements. They have a ridiculous amount of obsolete equipment.

At least the civil war soldiers tried to fake guns. The Norks have even just painted planes on runways, the faint outlines can still be seen on Google Earth:

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/4352/nkfakemigs4ym6.jpg

]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-1441 Steve Wed, 13 Feb 2008 10:44:34 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-1441 Those tires are the output of NKs new state of the art tire factory. It uses technology stolen from the US auto industry during the Korean war! Those tires are the output of NKs new state of the art tire factory. It uses technology stolen from the US auto industry during the Korean war!

]]> By: MarkJ http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-1431 MarkJ Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:00:57 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-1431 Maybe the Norks are just showing off the modern equivalent of Civil War "Quaker Guns." The artillery pieces don't really work, but, AK's notwithstanding, they look really, REALLY scary. I suspect technical competence and quality of maintenance in the Nork armed forces is little short of abysmal. Maybe the Norks are just showing off the modern equivalent of Civil War “Quaker Guns.” The artillery pieces don’t really work, but, AK’s notwithstanding, they look really, REALLY scary. I suspect technical competence and quality of maintenance in the Nork armed forces is little short of abysmal.

]]> By: Murdoc Online http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-1424 Murdoc Online Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:00:11 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-1424 <strong>DPRK AK AAA...</strong> Sometimes those crazy North Koreans make you say "WTF, mate?" AK-47s mounted on anti-aircraft artillery tubes....... DPRK AK AAA…

Sometimes those crazy North Koreans make you say “WTF, mate?” AK-47s mounted on anti-aircraft artillery tubes…….

]]> By: Kurt http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-1423 Kurt Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:30:39 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-1423 Boys, those aren't just any old whitewalls. Those are GANGSTER whitewalls. Come to think of it, that makes sense. Boys, those aren’t just any old whitewalls. Those are GANGSTER whitewalls. Come to think of it, that makes sense.

]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-1420 Steve Tue, 12 Feb 2008 02:28:49 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-1420 Great minds think alike :D Great minds think alike :D

]]> By: homebru http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-1417 homebru Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:56:59 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-1417 Perhaps trying to keep us from noticing the white sidewall tires. Perhaps trying to keep us from noticing the white sidewall tires.

]]> By: USCitizen http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-1415 USCitizen Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:19:08 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/11/aks-mounted-on-nk-artillery-barrels/#comment-1415 Umm, to draw attention away from those hideous whitewall tires? Umm, to draw attention away from those hideous whitewall tires?

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