I hate myself for this, I know it’s just feeding the troll, but here it is.
If your shooting straight down (would have to, to actually hit brass) you might want to buy a fishing pole. Not to mention how loud that would be in a bob house.

As far as your empties hitting someone on the head, what would you do with an AR? put tape over the ejection port?
You could (just like with an AR) put a catch bag on so your brass never hits the ground. I’ve planned on that since I placed my order in March last year.

Three rounds in and your worried about them hearing the brass hit, do you know how LOUD this gun is?

The only real problem with this gun is, mine isn’t here yet
but thank you for not ordering one, more for us.

As for the bullet catching the brass, the chances of that happening are nill to impossible. The bullet will be far down range before the ejected round is shoved into the tube, forcing a shell to fall out of the tube.

As for dropping empties while maneuvering, just point the muzzle at the ground after the fire fight is over and clear the tube. The sound of the empties hitting the ground is hardly the loudest noise in the middle of a fire fight. Besides, this gun is pretty unlikely to be used for anything where you would have to be worried about this.

A far bigger problem is that you have to remove the magazine to view the chamber.

On a bullpup, bottom ejection would be best, but forward ejection at least lets you shoot weak side if you have to.

I was a little standoffish on forward eject too, until I started studying it further. I’m sure it has some drawbacks, but all ejection systems do. It has some benefits too. Like everything, it’s a compromise.

I think like any new system, it will take some getting used to and training. If surprise is critical, perhaps pointing the gun down for a moment to make sure there’s no brass in the chute, or something.

The forward eject doesn’t “launch” the brass forward, it slides out of the front via gravity or follow-on brass forcing it forward. The odds of a bullet hitting a spent case from forward ejection are about the same as a bullet hitting a spent case ricochetting off the ceiling.

If you are close enough for any of your empties to hit your enemy on the head, he’s either a complete idiot or you’ve already lost the surprise you think you had. If your foe can hear the empties go ching a ling a ling, I think he heard the shots they came from, again surpise lost.

I like the forward eject, I haven’t had any problems with it. It’s also nice not to have to worry about a piece of hot brass hitting me after bouncing off a post or wall or whatever when firing in an enclosed area. I’ve had it happen.

How about if you clearing a house or building or a hill and you point your rifle down and three empties hit your enemy in the head or go ching a ling a ling…..you just lost your surprise and got shot.

The trigger pull on mine is crisp, without being hard. I don’t have a gage, so I couldn’t tell you what it breaks at. It has a very short take-up, with no creep.

Is anyone aware of if I can obtain this in Canada?

Thanks

The bickering needs to end. No more discussion about reliability.

I forgot, you have such deep issues with the brand that logic no longer applies. Hang in there, keep slinging insults all you want. But where will you be when/if the positive reports start flowing in? Apologetic? Feel like a fool for previous comments? Nah, you’ll just fade away into the anonymity of the internet like so many flamers before you. Show some sense and wait till the reports start flowing in. Then if they’re negative, jump out with a giant “I TOLD YOU SO!”. All your doing now is setting yourself up to receive a bunch of them. I realize that you WANT the RFB to be junk, but isn’t it better to wait and see if it is before slinging mud?

Congratulations! and thanks for the mini review. We’ll be looking forward to your updates.

Malfunction on first round??? I guess we all have our own standards of “favorable”. I’m just glad I’m making my own weapon’s choices.

You can’t even get that right.

It was the 5th round & MAGAZINE related rather than the rifle…..

Your lack of ability to even get this right shows your irrational bias.

Car analogies have no bearing on this subject: The Kel-Tec RFB has received favourable reports from all & sundry, up to & including a comparison with current military firearms.
Tell me: Have you even SEEN the RFB for real, never mind handling or firing it?
At the beginning of October I’ll get some real time comparison in between the RFB, Steyr-Aug, FN F2000, L85A2 & TAR-21 & that’s just the bullpups. Now what they look like but how they handle & shoot.
When I get back to the UK afterwards, I might just let you know how they do – without any unsubstantiated & preconceived bias based on completely different products………

In the past I’ve seen similar issues with new firearms from Colt, DSA, FN, Kimber, CZ., etc……..

….a couple of drops of lube in the right place & some rounds down range to bed in the action & they’ve been fine, or have you never noticed that guns smooth out after initial use?

Give credit where it’s due & by ALL accounts it’s owed to Kel-Tec for the RFB

You can’t give up can you?
ALL the reports I’ve seen on the RFB have been favourable – from those who’ve actually used one.
So why should your uninformed & subjective bias against Kel-Tec mean anything?

Oh, it doesn’t.

Good luck with that Kel-Tec.

If a model is offered where the overall length is legal and the accuracy is MOA or better then 1 rifle may be the only thing you need.

Especially if you keep the package to an overall small form factor and you carrry (or install) a pair of backup irons.

It will be at least a year till yo will be able to find one of these and see it in a gun rack ready for you to take a look at it.

Before then it is all order+pray it is right for you.

As a survival style firearm it may have no equal for all that it can do if it performs as well as reports are saying it is.

I would like to have one to test in a real world mountain run and see how it would act in that capacity.

Thanks for the link. That’s an informative thread. I especially appreciated the info on the RFB’s accuracy and trigger. Every bullpup I have fired or handled had a horrid trigger. Looks like the RFB will not only be more accurate than I had thought, but have a sweet trigger too! This is turning out more and more to be exactly what I was looking for in a rifle.

Now if only gun show sales would pick up, so I can afford the 24 inch model when it comes out!

Great Q & A with Matt from Kel-Tec R&D

Just about anything you could ask is answered!

Although I do not want to derail the conversation at all, the MKIII is the pistol I am picking up and I am going the extra step to teflon coat it.

“Big Gun/Little Pistol” and “Big Pistol/Little Gun” is the mantra I follow.

The way I figure it, if I have to fight something big enough that .22 does not cut it I want to power and range of a rifle.

Ammo is fairly compatible in size/weight to large hand guns in the greater scheme of things.

This is where the RFB fits in really well. It is compact and lightweight. Easily stored and carried and if needed it will perform as a battle rifle or to take game that is too big for the .22.

I am in Northern CA and my options for bugouts is slimmer than most. If I take off in any direction I am going to find good spots every 10 miles but a lot of nothing inbetween.

For the RFB it would end up in the pack 99% of the time until I find a base I like and want to hold it.

Then it would stay out and with me most of the time.

I have thought of the matching pistol to rifle combination however there are drawbacks to this solution which mainly come from the rifle selections. I have yet to see a really good ’survival’ style .357 rifle.

The thought was to get one and take it through the ringer for survival and then match it to a pistol.

Issues being that .357 is not a good small game round, definately not good for birds, decent all around for medium to large game and ok on larger than that.

As per the article, the odds of you needing and using the larger gun is slim compared to snares, .22’s, traps, fishing, etc.

The larger gun should be compact and ready to go and your secondary weapon should be lighter and used more often.

.22 is the choice for this.

For the larger gun you have tons of choices but for this left hander the RFB in .308 is just about written for me compared to almost everything else out there.

Granted, I could do just fine with my .30-30, my shotgun, my pointed stick with a mean face written on it, etc.

You do not need the RFB to survive in any stectch of the imagination.

If you are in that niche like me though it is very appealing and even if you are not you have to admit that it does some things that other firearms simply can’t.

I have a 9mm bullpup so I have an idea of how well they handle. It’s my favorite plinker. While I admire the shortness of the 18 inch model, you couldn’t give me a short barrelled anything. I don’t ride around in Humvs and tanks.

I wish 223 fit my requirements better. There are definately a lot of nice guns to choose from. The lighter weight, reduced recoil and ability to carry more ammo is a strong incentive. But I have guns in both calibers and I feel the .308 meets my needs better.

Right now my biggest question is accuracy of the RFB. I don’t expect it to be a target rifle, but I hope it will be accurate enough to use at long range. Especially considering that it’ll be dependant on optical sights for the most part.

Note to Jida: Before you commit to packing that much weight around, please read this article about backpacking with guns. It’s written by someone with a lot of experience at it and is very thought provoking. It changed my mind on several things.

http://www.tacticalgearreview.com/wordpress/2006/07/the-backpack-survivalist-by-mike-rostov-2

My appologies to the mods if posting links is forbidden. You’ll get no complaints from me if you need to delete the link or entire post. Thanks.

1) Good cartridge which has one of the best versatility ranges of any ammo readily available.
2) Interchangable ammo type with a matching bolt gun.
3) Light, compact and out of the way if needed.
4) Left or right hand shooting for clearing corners, great option for left handers.
5) KelTec has a lifetime warranty on all of their firearms and will fix it now or years from now if needed.
6) Avid close community who know the guns better than KelTec in some cases.

Cons:

1) Strong kick which will cause minute of flinch accuracy problems for smaller people.
2) All classic training done for current firearms does not apply to this configuration and can cause some discomfort on safety.
3) Looks and cartridge can confuse people on its purpose and can lead to a let down if purposed incorrectly.

When you start looking at a semi auto in the U.S. you start around $1,000 and then work your way down to the $500’s and up to the $2,000.

If you are fine with 223 then you have many options and configurations to cover a wide array of conditions. You are limiting yourself balistically with this choice but everything else is far more open.

In 308 you have few options for left handed folks, few options for lighter weight, few options for semi auto and few options in carbines.

The thought appears to be that if you are going to go 308 then you are using that round for an expected list of things (long range, game hunting, etc.).

In my case this rifle fits a niche that I cannot currently fill. I am looking at a 3 gun set outside of my hunting gear.

A long range sub MOA rifle, a matching semi auto rifle and a 22 pistol.

The long range rifle is meant for everything outside of self defense. The semi is meant to help in carrying 1 kind of ammo and for self defense in general. The .22 is for ‘quantity’ ammo carrying and as a primary small game getter with low noise output.

If I were to pack all 3 (me being strong and used to larger weights) the long range rifle would be slung, the semi would be packed and the .22 would be in a holster.

To date, I could not match a rifle to the semi, keep the size and weight reasonable and have them in a caliber that was common and versatile.

308 is the right caliber in my opinion. I have no desire to get into a protracted firefight with anyone. I would not carry more than 100 rounds in 308 since it is only to,

1) Shoot big game.
2) Shoot 2 legged game.

Since this would be rare for me in most cases both rifles would be used sparingly. This is also for basic trips and not for ’survival mode’ where you start putting your goods underground and wearing tin foil helmets.

The .22 allows for me to carry 1000 rounds without much worry, most likely 500 at the most. This is the main ’survival’ item and would be used to harvest most game if needed.

With all this written down, and sorry for the length, my goal is maybe the same as some and different than others.

The RFB fills a void which there is currently not a viable option without giving up something else or adding something I do not need.

If for example you pointed at specific components and concerns like Ray did about being able to view into the chamber, I wouldn’t be typing this.

Less one reason, I don’t understand why you have posted here.
You’ve posted negative remarks on a product you have never seen and apparently not read a review on (private owners have, find it yourself).
Gone off topic to recommend products that are not similar, less being a firearm.
You start to sound reasonable then toss in a mock/jab, which leads me to the reason of your posting, even if you don’t believe it.

Your a troll.

I apologize to the others for being the first to feed him. It happens, we get lead in and got defensive over his contempt.

I suggest bfree you find a thread you can be constructive in and not a thorn.
There is no point in responding to bfree as he is not contributing to the topic, just let it go, it’s him, not us.

- don’t make me pull the Internet over -

Good luck with your “Kel-Tec” and make sure you post honest reviews for all fo us to see. I’m anxious to hear the range reviews after giving the weapon a good work out.

My 12 year old thinks it looks “really cool”.

Quite frankly, you haven’t scratched the surface when it comes to compact weapons that are available with an SBR stamp. The SCAR is apparently a good gun, but there are also many other good guns that don’t cost nearly as much, and have much more real world testing. In all reality, you are basing your praise of the SCAR on about as much real world testing as has been seen by the RFB that you speak so bad of.
Also, while I am sure that the FS-2000 is a good gun, I don’t like the ergonomics, so it doesn’t matter how good of a gun it is, I’m not buying it.

“I think the draw to the SBR is the supercial asthetics and a lot of people are ignoring the quality factor of the components and metallurgy.”
Are they ignoring them, or are they just not there? So far, all it seems that you are basing these claims on is that your buddy had a few jambs in a pistol built by keltec, and most of their stuff doesn’t cost enough.
Oh, and by the way, the RFB is not an SBR, that’s one of the main advantages of it.