Comments on: Kel-Tec RFB 7.62mm bullpup rifle http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/ Firearms not Politics Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:29:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: joey clamato http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-3655 joey clamato Wed, 26 Nov 2008 07:01:05 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-3655 also, this is a .308. That's not typically a caliber you want to fire full auto or auto burst... also, this is a .308. That’s not typically a caliber you want to fire full auto or auto burst…

]]> By: joey clamato http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-3654 joey clamato Wed, 26 Nov 2008 06:57:12 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-3654 "i would imagine that any bump on the tube or debris would block the rounds, backing up the whole system and causing a long delay, since you wouldn’t know you had a jam for about 3 rounds, and then you would jam and have to deal with 3 stuck casings in the ejection tube." Well, any debris large enough to cause that kind of problem is probably going to screw with any weapon. There is a small ramp (spring loaded) in the tube that prevents spent brass from falling back into the ejection area of the receiver. The main threat will come from crappy brass that blows up and gets stuck in the chamber. Shoot cheap ammo at your own risk. I've seen video of the gun with the action/ejection area cut away in operation. If anything, the rifle is less prone to some types of ejection problems (such as stove piping) than a standard ejector that grabs the rim and flings the brass. The brass is pushed forward at the same time that a fresh round is chambered. If you have several casings in the tube and fire straight up it should work fine. As for brass being flung in front of the barrel, that won't happen either unless you were shooting down, conceivably, but that is a risk with any other rifle, too. Sure the p90 is neat-o, but you don't want to dip that thing in the mud and pray that its going to work. That is almost a Rube Goldberg solution and I wouldn't want to carry it in the field. “i would imagine that any bump on the tube or debris would block the rounds, backing up the whole system and causing a long delay, since you wouldn’t know you had a jam for about 3 rounds, and then you would jam and have to deal with 3 stuck casings in the ejection tube.”

Well, any debris large enough to cause that kind of problem is probably going to screw with any weapon. There is a small ramp (spring loaded) in the tube that prevents spent brass from falling back into the ejection area of the receiver.

The main threat will come from crappy brass that blows up and gets stuck in the chamber. Shoot cheap ammo at your own risk.

I’ve seen video of the gun with the action/ejection area cut away in operation. If anything, the rifle is less prone to some types of ejection problems (such as stove piping) than a standard ejector that grabs the rim and flings the brass. The brass is pushed forward at the same time that a fresh round is chambered. If you have several casings in the tube and fire straight up it should work fine. As for brass being flung in front of the barrel, that won’t happen either unless you were shooting down, conceivably, but that is a risk with any other rifle, too. Sure the p90 is neat-o, but you don’t want to dip that thing in the mud and pray that its going to work. That is almost a Rube Goldberg solution and I wouldn’t want to carry it in the field.

]]> By: Kevin Barriger http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-3513 Kevin Barriger Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:37:19 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-3513 If you will help I have a ? for you. Does Kel-Tec mannufacture a RFB model in .223? If so, please send details. If you will help I have a ? for you. Does Kel-Tec mannufacture a RFB model in .223? If so, please send details.

]]> By: nick http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-3219 nick Mon, 27 Oct 2008 01:15:20 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-3219 i don't know about that forward ejection, i am assuming this rifle is intended for military applications, and something like that looks like a jam waiting to happen. i would imagine that any bump on the tube or debris would block the rounds, backing up the whole system and causing a long delay, since you wouldn't know you had a jam for about 3 rounds, and then you would jam and have to deal with 3 stuck casings in the ejection tube. i don’t know about that forward ejection, i am assuming this rifle is intended for military applications, and something like that looks like a jam waiting to happen. i would imagine that any bump on the tube or debris would block the rounds, backing up the whole system and causing a long delay, since you wouldn’t know you had a jam for about 3 rounds, and then you would jam and have to deal with 3 stuck casings in the ejection tube.

]]> By: cmblake6 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-2573 cmblake6 Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:11:20 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-2573 Just wish the stupid thing didn't cost so flaming much. I'd absolutely LOVE to have one, but my bank account precludes that. Just wish the stupid thing didn’t cost so flaming much. I’d absolutely LOVE to have one, but my bank account precludes that.

]]> By: Bullet Boy http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-2569 Bullet Boy Thu, 07 Aug 2008 04:23:12 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-2569 On my gun wish list. Check out the feature article in Special Weapons August September 2008 issue. On my gun wish list. Check out the feature article in Special Weapons August September 2008 issue.

]]> By: cmblake6 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-2383 cmblake6 Tue, 15 Jul 2008 01:22:39 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-2383 Well, I've watched the video a number of times. Gun SEEMS to work just fine. If I had the money, I'd probably get one. I'd still like to see a bottom ejection, but that would be difficult. It's been tested, it obviously works, but I've just got this nagging whisper in the back of my head about working upwards for clearing stairwells and such. Can't help it. Well, I’ve watched the video a number of times. Gun SEEMS to work just fine. If I had the money, I’d probably get one. I’d still like to see a bottom ejection, but that would be difficult. It’s been tested, it obviously works, but I’ve just got this nagging whisper in the back of my head about working upwards for clearing stairwells and such. Can’t help it.

]]> By: Tiger http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-2379 Tiger Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:44:01 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-2379 Hmmmmmm..... Santa I'd like this for Xmas! The pros of a lightweight bullpup, firing 7.62 NATO in a package the size of a M-4 is great. I've been considering buying a FN Fs-2000 rifle for a while now. It however is in 5.56mm and goes for $2000. If kel Tec can sell this for a bit less they have a winner. Hmmmmmm….. Santa I’d like this for Xmas! The pros of a lightweight bullpup, firing 7.62 NATO in a package the size of a M-4 is great. I’ve been considering buying a FN Fs-2000 rifle for a while now. It however is in 5.56mm and goes for $2000. If kel Tec can sell this for a bit less they have a winner.

]]> By: Atool http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-2346 Atool Thu, 03 Jul 2008 09:46:55 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-2346 Mmmm, methinks this gun has potential. There seem to quite a few design issues though none of which can't be solved. Personally i'd prefer a assault rifle to have less recoil, there has to be some way to use spent casing work against muzzle climb. this gun would make hell of a cool bull pup sniper style rifle. "THE GAMER GUN NUT" Mmmm, methinks this gun has potential. There seem to quite a few design issues though none of which can’t be solved. Personally i’d prefer a assault rifle to have less recoil, there has to be some way to use spent casing work against muzzle climb. this gun would make hell of a cool bull pup sniper style rifle. “THE GAMER GUN NUT”

]]> By: drew http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-2337 drew Wed, 02 Jul 2008 05:01:53 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-2337 dan, the rule has always been finger on the triger only when pointed in a safe direction. the gun is always pointed downrange in the video and when angled slightly up for reloading the finger was clearly off the triger and the bolt was locked back. quit being overly critical of peoples gun handeling. at no point in this video was anything unsafe done. i agree that guns should be handled very carefully, but being a nazi is unnecessary. dan, the rule has always been finger on the triger only when pointed in a safe direction. the gun is always pointed downrange in the video and when angled slightly up for reloading the finger was clearly off the triger and the bolt was locked back.

quit being overly critical of peoples gun handeling. at no point in this video was anything unsafe done. i agree that guns should be handled very carefully, but being a nazi is unnecessary.

]]> By: Pete http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-2228 Pete Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:09:17 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-2228 After you fire the last round in your mag and the bolt-hold-open device holds your bolt open, THERE IS STILL AN EMPTY ROUND SUSPENDED IN THE RECEIVER! It somehow seems untidy engineering. I just think forward ejection is not the final answer to th bullpup ejection problem Downward ejection is the answer, as in the FN P90. Of course the problem with downward ejection is you need the mag on top. And it sticks up right beside your face. FN solved the problem in the P90 by stacking the rounds horizontally and rotating them during feeding. Calico arms solved the problem with a helical (spiral) feed. Maybe the P90 solution could extended to bigger rounds, but you would need a perfectly cylindrical body on the case same as the 5.7 X 28. I wonder if a straight Bren-gun-type mag sticking up in the air on a bullpup might be acceptable, if it were positioned a bit further back. This would require a design with a very short bolt, even a telescoping bolt. Maybe the Robinson Arms M96 top-feed could be adapted. After you fire the last round in your mag and the bolt-hold-open device holds your bolt open, THERE IS STILL AN EMPTY ROUND SUSPENDED IN THE RECEIVER!
It somehow seems untidy engineering.
I just think forward ejection is not the final answer to th bullpup ejection problem Downward ejection is the answer, as in the FN P90.
Of course the problem with downward ejection is you need the mag on top. And it sticks up right beside your face. FN solved the problem in the P90 by stacking the rounds horizontally and rotating them during feeding. Calico arms solved the problem with a helical (spiral) feed.
Maybe the P90 solution could extended to bigger rounds, but you would need a perfectly cylindrical body on the case same as the 5.7 X 28.
I wonder if a straight Bren-gun-type mag sticking up in the air on a bullpup might be acceptable, if it were positioned a bit further back. This would require a design with a very short bolt, even a telescoping bolt.

Maybe the Robinson Arms M96 top-feed could be adapted.

]]> By: Dan http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-2159 Dan Wed, 28 May 2008 20:47:17 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-2159 Great, unsafe behavior propagated on the net. How nice. If anyone knows who those guys are tell them to keep their finger off the **** trigger when their sights are not on the target. No, hovering slightly off the trigger is not 'off the trigger'. Completely out of the trigger guard and pressed against something else is 'off the trigger'. For everyone else, before you start posting movies of yourself shooting guns on the net please learn how to shoot safely. Great, unsafe behavior propagated on the net. How nice.

If anyone knows who those guys are tell them to keep their finger off the **** trigger when their sights are not on the target. No, hovering slightly off the trigger is not ‘off the trigger’. Completely out of the trigger guard and pressed against something else is ‘off the trigger’.

For everyone else, before you start posting movies of yourself shooting guns on the net please learn how to shoot safely.

]]> By: cmblake6 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-2000 cmblake6 Sat, 26 Apr 2008 12:59:57 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-2000 The forward eject MAY have some uses/benefits, but other than making the rifle ambidextrous I can't see it. Firing level or downhill, fine. Uphill or clearing stairwells, etc, can you say potential for jamming is just too high? The forward eject MAY have some uses/benefits, but other than making the rifle ambidextrous I can’t see it. Firing level or downhill, fine. Uphill or clearing stairwells, etc, can you say potential for jamming is just too high?

]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-1999 Steve Sat, 26 Apr 2008 08:11:28 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-1999 I don't know. They could easily direct the brass to fly out at a slight angle. I don’t know. They could easily direct the brass to fly out at a slight angle.

]]> By: Rman http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-1998 Rman Sat, 26 Apr 2008 08:06:03 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-1998 I shot a lot of weapons in the military and would choose maybe a handful to take into a hot situation. Thats the point of having an "assault" rifle right? I own several and they're either an Ak style or AR style because they are simple to use, always work, and are comfortable. I would really need to fire it myself. It seemed like those guys in the video were having trouble keeping it steady. Now if it were 5.56 id take a closer look. Also, does anyone think that the casings might fall in front of the barrel during operation? I shot a lot of weapons in the military and would choose maybe a handful to take into a hot situation. Thats the point of having an “assault” rifle right? I own several and they’re either an Ak style or AR style because they are simple to use, always work, and are comfortable. I would really need to fire it myself. It seemed like those guys in the video were having trouble keeping it steady. Now if it were 5.56 id take a closer look. Also, does anyone think that the casings might fall in front of the barrel during operation?

]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-1474 Steve Sat, 16 Feb 2008 22:36:13 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-1474 Yes, I also wondered about that forward ejection. Yes, I also wondered about that forward ejection.

]]> By: R3unbreakable http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-1473 R3unbreakable Sat, 16 Feb 2008 22:18:50 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-1473 the forward ejection system looks like it could jam if the gun used burst or auto, and the recoil looks high. i mean, thats never going to be fielded methinks the forward ejection system looks like it could jam if the gun used burst or auto, and the recoil looks high. i mean, thats never going to be fielded methinks

]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-1377 Steve Sun, 10 Feb 2008 03:46:53 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-1377 Hi James, thanks for the info. Even if it is pricey, it is very cool! Hi James, thanks for the info. Even if it is pricey, it is very cool!

]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-1376 Steve Sun, 10 Feb 2008 03:43:02 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-1376 Thank scmblake6! That was a typo. I wrote most of that post late at night :) Please feel free to correct my mistakes. Thank scmblake6! That was a typo. I wrote most of that post late at night :) Please feel free to correct my mistakes.

]]> By: cmblake6 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-1374 cmblake6 Sun, 10 Feb 2008 03:04:44 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-1374 BTW, 7.62x51. The x53 was the Belgian/Argentine equivalent. I'm a retired military weapons instructor, in case you want my credentials. Not slamming you, just want to catch you before you look bad. Just trying to help. BTW, 7.62×51. The x53 was the Belgian/Argentine equivalent. I’m a retired military weapons instructor, in case you want my credentials. Not slamming you, just want to catch you before you look bad. Just trying to help.

]]> By: Peter http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-1370 Peter Sat, 09 Feb 2008 23:38:01 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-1370 Yeah, that's too bad about the delay. I totally want one of these critters! Yeah, that’s too bad about the delay. I totally want one of these critters!

]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-1367 Steve Sat, 09 Feb 2008 22:17:12 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-1367 dogon1013on, thanks for the info, I have updated the article. Thats a pity :( dogon1013on, thanks for the info, I have updated the article. Thats a pity :(

]]> By: dogon1013 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-1365 dogon1013 Sat, 09 Feb 2008 22:08:07 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-1365 Sorry, But the official word is that the release is being pushed back to 4th quarter this year. (from 2008 SHOT show info). Sorry,

But the official word is that the release is being pushed back to 4th quarter this year. (from 2008 SHOT show info).

]]> By: James R. Rummel http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-1361 James R. Rummel Sat, 09 Feb 2008 12:13:55 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/#comment-1361 I heard they were going to retail these for a couple of grand. Might as well get an AR for that. James I heard they were going to retail these for a couple of grand.

Might as well get an AR for that.

James

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