Comments on: Sako A7 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/31/sako-a7/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:00:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Hogan http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/31/sako-a7/comment-page-1/#comment-81852 Hogan Thu, 29 Dec 2011 01:19:54 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/31/sako-a7/#comment-81852 Sorry you are having problems. I have had an Sako A-7 now for about 2-2 1/2 yr. I purchased it on-line for $660.00. I installed Talley one peice lightweight mounts and a Leupold 4.5-14 scope on the gun. The caliber is 300WSM. Recoil was a bit more than I like and I put a Limbsaver recoil pad on the gun. I had to cut the stock off a small amount to get the LOP right for me. I read reports about the front sling swivel stud breaking out, so I mixed up some stock bedding compound and poured some of the compound around the stud boss on the inside of the stock. I consider the recoil pad and the bedding compound very, very minor. The rifle shoots like a laser beam. I have had Rems, Rugers, Wins and Brownings. (liked the Browning best till I got the A-7) Since I got the A-7 in 300WSM the only other rifle I am lookin for is another A-7 in 7mm-08. I realize everyone likes something different,but for me, give me the A-7 everytime Sorry you are having problems. I have had an Sako A-7 now for about 2-2 1/2 yr. I purchased it on-line for $660.00. I installed Talley one peice lightweight mounts and a Leupold 4.5-14 scope on the gun. The caliber is 300WSM. Recoil was a bit more than I like and I put a Limbsaver recoil pad on the gun. I had to cut the stock off a small amount to get the LOP right for me. I read reports about the front sling swivel stud breaking out, so I mixed up some stock bedding compound and poured some of the compound around the stud boss on the inside of the stock.
I consider the recoil pad and the bedding compound very, very minor.
The rifle shoots like a laser beam.
I have had Rems, Rugers, Wins and Brownings. (liked the Browning best till I got the A-7) Since I got the A-7 in 300WSM the only other rifle I am lookin for is another A-7 in 7mm-08.
I realize everyone likes something different,but for me, give me the A-7 everytime

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]]> By: Grant Holcombe http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/31/sako-a7/comment-page-1/#comment-81837 Grant Holcombe Wed, 28 Dec 2011 16:48:12 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/31/sako-a7/#comment-81837 I was at the range yesterday and fired three different Sako rifles. The Sako A7 300 win mag has a real problem with their cheap plastic magazine. I fired 30 rounds. Over 50% of the second rounds hung up in the magazine. There is limited clearance at the front of the clip. The recoil from the first round moves the shells forward and they then touch the front of the clip and hang up. I have reported this problem to Sako and it is a known defect. They sent me a new improved clip to "fix" the problem. The factory clip that came with the rifle had a problem with the shells "flying out" of the magazine. The new clip is the one I used yesterday. The ammo was loaded to factory specs - 3.34" and every round was exact length. The other rifles fired yesterday were a Sako A7 - 300 WSM - no problems, and a Sako 85 Finnlight - 300 WM and no problems. We fired 30 - 40 rounds from each rifle and the Sako A7 fires well, has good groupings at 200 meters, but the clip was a real drag! I was at the range yesterday and fired three different Sako rifles. The Sako A7 300 win mag has a real problem with their cheap plastic magazine. I fired 30 rounds. Over 50% of the second rounds hung up in the magazine. There is limited clearance at the front of the clip. The recoil from the first round moves the shells forward and they then touch the front of the clip and hang up. I have reported this problem to Sako and it is a known defect. They sent me a new improved clip to “fix” the problem. The factory clip that came with the rifle had a problem with the shells “flying out” of the magazine. The new clip is the one I used yesterday. The ammo was loaded to factory specs – 3.34″ and every round was exact length. The other rifles fired yesterday were a Sako A7 – 300 WSM – no problems, and a Sako 85 Finnlight – 300 WM and no problems. We fired 30 – 40 rounds from each rifle and the Sako A7 fires well, has good groupings at 200 meters, but the clip was a real drag!

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]]> By: JohnK http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/31/sako-a7/comment-page-1/#comment-75180 JohnK Mon, 24 Oct 2011 23:19:56 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/31/sako-a7/#comment-75180 I also have the Sako A7 .270 Win. I put Leupold rings on a picatinny rail and Nikon Monarch scope. I have had very excellent groups within the advertised MOA. I hand load with best results as follows: • Powders IMR 4831 (best groups 1/2") and RL19 (1" groups) per Nosler reloading book recommendations for powder charges • Nosler Accubond 140 gr bullets • C.O.L. 3.339” (distance from the lands can have significant impact on accuracy) Otherwise, if you’re not set up for reloading, I recommend one of the premium ammunitions with Accubond bullets (e.g. Winchester Supreme Accubond). It's very important that the rail and rings are torque evenly per specs with torque tool. If you’ve put a lot of ammo through your rifle, clean with a solvent made to remove excessive copper from inside the barrel. I think you’ll have success, if you persevere. I also have the Sako A7 .270 Win. I put Leupold rings on a picatinny rail and Nikon Monarch scope. I have had very excellent groups within the advertised MOA. I hand load with best results as follows:
• Powders IMR 4831 (best groups 1/2″) and RL19 (1″ groups) per Nosler reloading book recommendations for powder charges
• Nosler Accubond 140 gr bullets
• C.O.L. 3.339” (distance from the lands can have significant impact on accuracy)
Otherwise, if you’re not set up for reloading, I recommend one of the premium ammunitions with Accubond bullets (e.g. Winchester Supreme Accubond).
It’s very important that the rail and rings are torque evenly per specs with torque tool. If you’ve put a lot of ammo through your rifle, clean with a solvent made to remove excessive copper from inside the barrel.
I think you’ll have success, if you persevere.

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]]> By: JohnK http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/31/sako-a7/comment-page-1/#comment-75176 JohnK Mon, 24 Oct 2011 23:00:57 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/31/sako-a7/#comment-75176 I just received the following message from Beretta Support after just submitting the question/ticket with them online this past Sat. "A replacement magazine will be sent out, order# xxxxx ... the magazines have been fixed. Thank you for contacting Beretta Customer Support..." I take from this that Beretta/Sako acknowledge from prior customer contacts they've taken positive actions to resolve the problem with some A7 mags. I think this speaks well of their companies both quick response and taking steps to fix issues. I'm hopeful this will permanently resolve my Sako A7 mag issue. I just received the following message from Beretta Support after just submitting the question/ticket with them online this past Sat.

“A replacement magazine will be sent out, order# xxxxx … the magazines have been fixed.
Thank you for contacting Beretta Customer Support…”

I take from this that Beretta/Sako acknowledge from prior customer contacts they’ve taken positive actions to resolve the problem with some A7 mags.
I think this speaks well of their companies both quick response and taking steps to fix issues. I’m hopeful this will permanently resolve my Sako A7 mag issue.

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]]> By: Scott http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/31/sako-a7/comment-page-1/#comment-75006 Scott Sat, 22 Oct 2011 19:24:32 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/31/sako-a7/#comment-75006 John K I fixed mine myself took the mag apart and pinched the metal together and have had no problems at all John K
I fixed mine myself took the mag apart and pinched the metal together and have had no problems at all

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]]> By: JohnK http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/31/sako-a7/comment-page-1/#comment-74917 JohnK Fri, 21 Oct 2011 21:10:21 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/31/sako-a7/#comment-74917 I have this same problem as Scott on my A7 .300 WM. It can be upon either when locking the magazine in place, when chambering the first round or ejecting an empty, 1 or more of the cartridges in the mag prematurely pop. I contacted Sako/Beretta Support and described the issue. It seems the metal lip on the mag don't grip the .300 cartridges well enough to consistently hold them until the bolt grabs. I have an A7 .270 that operated just fine. So, don't know why .300 WM has the problem. Either I get it looked and fixed by Sako or gunsmith or I'll trade it. Tikka's with synthetic mag in any cal. never give me any trouble like this. I have this same problem as Scott on my A7 .300 WM. It can be upon either when locking the magazine in place, when chambering the first round or ejecting an empty, 1 or more of the cartridges in the mag prematurely pop. I contacted Sako/Beretta Support and described the issue. It seems the metal lip on the mag don’t grip the .300 cartridges well enough to consistently hold them until the bolt grabs. I have an A7 .270 that operated just fine. So, don’t know why .300 WM has the problem. Either I get it looked and fixed by Sako or gunsmith or I’ll trade it. Tikka’s with synthetic mag in any cal. never give me any trouble like this.

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]]> By: Lee http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/31/sako-a7/comment-page-1/#comment-72515 Lee Wed, 28 Sep 2011 08:57:33 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/31/sako-a7/#comment-72515 I bought an A7 in .300 WM for a Elk hunt two and a half years ago. Mounted a new Leupold VX3 4.5-14x50 on it with Leupold QRW rings. Shooting off a bench with a Caldwell Lead Sled loaded w/50lb of shot, the best I was able to get this rifle to shoot was one 1.625" group using handloads, but even that was a one off. I tried five different factory loads, four of them "Premium" loads, and they all shot between 2.5" to 3.5" groups at best. Like Brian, I installed another Leupold scope that I own with the same results. I re-installed the bases and switched to Warne Maxima rings - same results. I asked two good shooters to have a go to see if they could do better - same results. I finally called Beretta, and after two calls and much time on the phone, I spoke with a technician named Tony and explained what I described above. He seemed on the ball, and asked me to send the rifle to their Accokeek, MD facility. I received my rifle back in about a month. It came back with paper work saying they inspected, cleaned, and mounted a 36X Weaver scope, laser bore sighted it, then shot a 5 shot group off a lead sled at 308 ft using Federal 300WBS ammo. A second page had range conditions, chronograph readings and a depiction of a vertical shot string on a .5" graph target they said measured .89". I have since tried to duplicate their test (minus the 36x scope) using Federal 300WBS (Blue Box 180 gr Speer Hot-Cor SP), and I still can't break under 2.5 " with this rifle. So I've spent a lot of time and money trying to get this rifle to shoot that promised 5 shot 1" group. I'm so disgusted with the money I wasted, I've pulled the scope, and packed it back in the shipping box where it's been for the last year and half unseen, but not out of mind . I ended up borrowing a rifle for my elk hunt. In hind sight I could have brought a Savage or a Vanguard for half the price and probably done better. I bought an A7 in .300 WM for a Elk hunt two and a half years ago. Mounted a new Leupold VX3 4.5-14×50 on it with Leupold QRW rings. Shooting off a bench with a Caldwell Lead Sled loaded w/50lb of shot, the best I was able to get this rifle to shoot was one 1.625″ group using handloads, but even that was a one off. I tried five different factory loads, four of them “Premium” loads, and they all shot between 2.5″ to 3.5″ groups at best. Like Brian, I installed another Leupold scope that I own with the same results. I re-installed the bases and switched to Warne Maxima rings – same results. I asked two good shooters to have a go to see if they could do better – same results. I finally called Beretta, and after two calls and much time on the phone, I spoke with a technician named Tony and explained what I described above. He seemed on the ball, and asked me to send the rifle to their Accokeek, MD facility. I received my rifle back in about a month. It came back with paper work saying they inspected, cleaned, and mounted a 36X Weaver scope, laser bore sighted it, then shot a 5 shot group off a lead sled at 308 ft using Federal 300WBS ammo. A second page had range conditions, chronograph readings and a depiction of a vertical shot string on a .5″ graph target they said measured .89″. I have since tried to duplicate their test (minus the 36x scope) using Federal 300WBS (Blue Box 180 gr Speer Hot-Cor SP), and I still can’t break under 2.5 ” with this rifle. So I’ve spent a lot of time and money trying to get this rifle to shoot that promised 5 shot 1″ group. I’m so disgusted with the money I wasted, I’ve pulled the scope, and packed it back in the shipping box where it’s been for the last year and half unseen, but not out of mind . I ended up borrowing a rifle for my elk hunt. In hind sight I could have brought a Savage or a Vanguard for half the price and probably done better.

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]]> By: JamesD http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/31/sako-a7/comment-page-1/#comment-72011 JamesD Thu, 22 Sep 2011 18:48:31 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/31/sako-a7/#comment-72011 I have a Sako A7 in .300 Win Mag. The groups at 100 yards are so close the holes usually touch with plain old 150 grain Remington EXPRESS CORE-LOKT rounds. I've had similar results with cheap Winchester ammo. I have a Sako A7 in .300 Win Mag. The groups at 100 yards are so close the holes usually touch with plain old 150 grain Remington EXPRESS CORE-LOKT rounds. I’ve had similar results with cheap Winchester ammo.

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]]> By: Mike B http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/31/sako-a7/comment-page-1/#comment-64366 Mike B Sun, 05 Jun 2011 22:20:02 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/31/sako-a7/#comment-64366 Anyone know of a dealer for a wood stock for the A7? Anyone know of a dealer for a wood stock for the A7?

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]]> By: Mark Baril http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/31/sako-a7/comment-page-1/#comment-61196 Mark Baril Mon, 25 Apr 2011 05:57:02 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/31/sako-a7/#comment-61196 I too just had my bipod break off the other day on my A7 300 WSM. Very disappointing to read that others are having a similar experience with such a 'Quality' rifle. Hopefully they will stand behind the product, but others don't see to be having that experience. Could result in another disappointment! Funny thing about this gun is that it won't group the expensive ammo, but groups the cheap stuff fine. At least it will save me some money on that end! Maybe I can find a better stalk! I too just had my bipod break off the other day on my A7 300 WSM. Very disappointing to read that others are having a similar experience with such a ‘Quality’ rifle. Hopefully they will stand behind the product, but others don’t see to be having that experience. Could result in another disappointment!
Funny thing about this gun is that it won’t group the expensive ammo, but groups the cheap stuff fine. At least it will save me some money on that end! Maybe I can find a better stalk!

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]]> By: jim johnson http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/31/sako-a7/comment-page-1/#comment-59871 jim johnson Sun, 10 Apr 2011 02:48:15 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/31/sako-a7/#comment-59871 I bought the A7 300 win mag sts and took it out to sight it in I used a stand up bipod and the sling broke right of the stock I contacted beretta and got the responce the rifle stock is not made for a bipod. who hunts long range with out one. I will only coast the same amount as if i went a bought a new rifle. ( get it right Bretta and fix your bad product stock whay have a 1/2 in shoting if it is only good at the range )????? I bought the A7 300 win mag sts and took it out to sight it in I used a stand up bipod and the sling broke right of the stock I contacted beretta and got the responce the rifle stock is not made for a bipod. who hunts long range with out one. I will only coast the same amount as if i went a bought a new rifle. ( get it right Bretta and fix your bad product stock whay have a 1/2 in shoting if it is only good at the range )?????

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]]> By: herb http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/31/sako-a7/comment-page-1/#comment-48004 herb Sat, 27 Nov 2010 15:12:47 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/31/sako-a7/#comment-48004 I had the same problem as Scott, it took the Gun back to Shop where it was purchase, 8 -10 tries to get a clip that would hold the shells in the A-7 300 mag. Tried the new gun before Moose hunting by just using a single shell at a time, This is a new gun out of the Box, lucky that I had my old Remington with me moose hunting as this one almost went swimming. Beware. I had the same problem as Scott, it took the Gun back to Shop where it was purchase, 8 -10 tries to get a clip that would hold the shells in the A-7 300 mag. Tried the new gun before Moose hunting by just using a single shell at a time, This is a new gun out of the Box, lucky that I had my old Remington with me moose hunting as this one almost went swimming.

Beware.

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]]> By: Scott http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/31/sako-a7/comment-page-1/#comment-46901 Scott Sun, 14 Nov 2010 02:48:23 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/31/sako-a7/#comment-46901 Have a Sako A7 in 300 Winmag. Great groups but the mag kicks out the ammo all the time. Got a new mag and still does it.Any one have any tips? Have a Sako A7 in 300 Winmag. Great groups but the mag kicks out the ammo all the time. Got a new mag and still does it.Any one have any tips?

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]]> By: Brian http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/31/sako-a7/comment-page-1/#comment-46599 Brian Tue, 09 Nov 2010 16:14:29 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/31/sako-a7/#comment-46599 This is the worst gun I have ever owned i have savage, ruger, browning, howa, winchester, and remington, I own 31 rifles in 18 different calibers and this shoots worse than any. When I bought it I put a Leupold vx3 on it and was shooting federal premium. It shot a 4.5 inch group out of a lead sled and a bench. I also shot remington, winchester, and hornady out of the gun with same results. Tried another scope and other people shooting it with same results. I guess my main problem with it was when I called beretta and they told me they could not do much for me they would take the gun back and shoot but it would take up to 8 weeks for me to get it back and deer season just started and they acted like it was something I did. Before you buy one just try to call Beretta and see how long it takes to actully talk to someone on the phone it took me 34 minutes of pushing buttons just to talk to a person whom didn't seem to care about my problem I also went through 200 dollars of ammunition trying to find a bullet it liked now I got 6 boxes of half full ammo that are all different. This is the worst gun I have ever owned i have savage, ruger, browning, howa, winchester, and remington, I own 31 rifles in 18 different calibers and this shoots worse than any. When I bought it I put a Leupold vx3 on it and was shooting federal premium. It shot a 4.5 inch group out of a lead sled and a bench. I also shot remington, winchester, and hornady out of the gun with same results. Tried another scope and other people shooting it with same results. I guess my main problem with it was when I called beretta and they told me they could not do much for me they would take the gun back and shoot but it would take up to 8 weeks for me to get it back and deer season just started and they acted like it was something I did. Before you buy one just try to call Beretta and see how long it takes to actully talk to someone on the phone it took me 34 minutes of pushing buttons just to talk to a person whom didn’t seem to care about my problem I also went through 200 dollars of ammunition trying to find a bullet it liked now I got 6 boxes of half full ammo that are all different.

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]]> By: Aaron C http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/31/sako-a7/comment-page-1/#comment-25604 Aaron C Fri, 05 Feb 2010 02:56:54 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/31/sako-a7/#comment-25604 Does anyone know if there is an after market stock that you can drop the A7 into? I have a 7-08 and would love to use it for long range shooting. I think the stock it comes with is ok, just would prefer a slightly heavier more adjustable stock (I'm a rightie that shoots backwards). I was considering having a longer barrel placed too. Just for giggles I guess. Thanks for any help. Does anyone know if there is an after market stock that you can drop the A7 into? I have a 7-08 and would love to use it for long range shooting. I think the stock it comes with is ok, just would prefer a slightly heavier more adjustable stock (I’m a rightie that shoots backwards). I was considering having a longer barrel placed too. Just for giggles I guess. Thanks for any help.

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]]> By: Larry Adams http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/31/sako-a7/comment-page-1/#comment-24994 Larry Adams Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:08:31 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/31/sako-a7/#comment-24994 Need answer on the bolt cocking action. My A7 has a VERY stiff cocking action. After bolt is cocked the action if very smooth. However, pulling the trigger the recocking effort is VERY stiff again. This is every time I recock. Why??? I am use to a smooth. easy, little to no stiffness action. I never owned a bolt action rifle with this much hard stiff cocking action. Are A7 bolts matched to the rifle???? Need answer on the bolt cocking action. My A7 has a VERY stiff cocking action. After bolt is cocked the action if very smooth. However, pulling the trigger the recocking effort is VERY stiff again. This is every time I recock. Why???

I am use to a smooth. easy, little to no stiffness action. I never owned a bolt action rifle with this much hard stiff cocking action.

Are A7 bolts matched to the rifle????

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]]> By: Kel 124 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/31/sako-a7/comment-page-1/#comment-22353 Kel 124 Wed, 23 Dec 2009 01:50:52 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/31/sako-a7/#comment-22353 Still needing adult supervision to unload a rifle without a safety on I see Hogan. You must get very confused with 70s and 700s and any Sako older than an 85. Look, I think there must be a course you can do to defeat your fear of unloading rifles. Still needing adult supervision to unload a rifle without a safety on I see Hogan.

You must get very confused with 70s and 700s and any Sako older than an 85.
Look, I think there must be a course you can do to defeat your fear of unloading rifles.

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]]> By: Hogan http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/31/sako-a7/comment-page-1/#comment-22079 Hogan Sat, 19 Dec 2009 19:59:03 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/31/sako-a7/#comment-22079 You can remove a loaded round from the barrel without putting the safety in the fire position. Not so on a Tika. Duh Bill You can remove a loaded round from the barrel without putting the safety in the fire position.
Not so on a Tika. Duh Bill

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]]> By: Hogan http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/31/sako-a7/comment-page-1/#comment-22077 Hogan Sat, 19 Dec 2009 19:55:45 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/31/sako-a7/#comment-22077 With me its all about performance and I love a stainless steel action and composite stock. I love the A7 With me its all about performance and I love a stainless steel action and composite stock.

I love the A7

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]]> By: Kel123 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/31/sako-a7/comment-page-1/#comment-21496 Kel123 Mon, 14 Dec 2009 07:06:17 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/31/sako-a7/#comment-21496 Ron If you are still around, I feel maybe I short changed you a little bit. The big disadvantage with detachable magazine rifles is the very standard maximum cartridge lengths that can be accommodated. You don't get much improvement on this unfortunate manufacturing dogma even with floorplate rifles that could give lots more seat out ability but they generally don't. Alas, most of your bullet tips will be battered by recoil before they are fired and the overall length as quoted in the reloading manuals is what you get. An old Kimber was an exception. Longer chamber throats with adequate magazine well clearances are not hard.....but hardly any manufacturer thinks this vital variable is important. Straying from the standard gets the liability lawyers frothing at the mouth. Ron
If you are still around, I feel maybe I short changed you a little bit.

The big disadvantage with detachable magazine rifles is the very standard maximum cartridge lengths that can be accommodated.
You don’t get much improvement on this unfortunate manufacturing dogma even with floorplate rifles that could give lots more seat out ability but they generally don’t.
Alas, most of your bullet tips will be battered by recoil before they are fired and the overall length as quoted in the reloading manuals is what you get.
An old Kimber was an exception.

Longer chamber throats with adequate magazine well clearances are not hard…..but hardly any manufacturer thinks this vital variable is important.

Straying from the standard gets the liability lawyers frothing at the mouth.

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