Comments on: Navy and Marines buy more M16s http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/06/navy-and-marines-buy-more-m16s/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:24:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Daniel E. Watters http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/06/navy-and-marines-buy-more-m16s/comment-page-1/#comment-14598 Daniel E. Watters Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:07:27 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/06/navy-and-marines-buy-more-m16s/#comment-14598 FWIW: Colt's FY08 contract awoke from its coma on Monday. TACOM placed a delivery order for 5,140 M16A4 in FMS configuration (carry handle and standard handguard) for $3,546,600. FWIW: Colt’s FY08 contract awoke from its coma on Monday. TACOM placed a delivery order for 5,140 M16A4 in FMS configuration (carry handle and standard handguard) for $3,546,600.

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]]> By: Daniel E. Watters http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/06/navy-and-marines-buy-more-m16s/comment-page-1/#comment-3185 Daniel E. Watters Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:57:57 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/06/navy-and-marines-buy-more-m16s/#comment-3185 To tell the truth, I don't know. That said, some FMS are probably paid for by US military aid funds. These fund packages often come with clauses which require a certain percentage to be spent on defense items from the US. I don't imagine that the FMS rifles for Iraq and Afghanistan are being paid for completely by those countries, nor are the FMS carbines for Lebanon. To tell the truth, I don’t know. That said, some FMS are probably paid for by US military aid funds. These fund packages often come with clauses which require a certain percentage to be spent on defense items from the US. I don’t imagine that the FMS rifles for Iraq and Afghanistan are being paid for completely by those countries, nor are the FMS carbines for Lebanon.

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/06/navy-and-marines-buy-more-m16s/comment-page-1/#comment-3177 Steve Fri, 24 Oct 2008 06:27:00 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/06/navy-and-marines-buy-more-m16s/#comment-3177 Daniel, thanks for the info. Does the govt try to make a profit or is it done as a favor for friendly nations? Daniel, thanks for the info. Does the govt try to make a profit or is it done as a favor for friendly nations?

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]]> By: Daniel E. Watters http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/06/navy-and-marines-buy-more-m16s/comment-page-1/#comment-3176 Daniel E. Watters Fri, 24 Oct 2008 04:16:56 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/06/navy-and-marines-buy-more-m16s/#comment-3176 In a FMS, a foreign government asks the US Government to act as the deal broker for a procurement. The foreigners pay the US, and the US government hammers out the contract or delivery order with the vendor of the desired items. In contrast would be a Direct Commercial Sale (DCS), where the foreign country's representatives directly contact the vendor and make their own contract arrangements and payments. The following .pdf document outlines the comparative merits of FMS and DCS: http://www.disam.dsca.mil/pubs/DR/15%20Chapter.pdf In a FMS, a foreign government asks the US Government to act as the deal broker for a procurement. The foreigners pay the US, and the US government hammers out the contract or delivery order with the vendor of the desired items. In contrast would be a Direct Commercial Sale (DCS), where the foreign country’s representatives directly contact the vendor and make their own contract arrangements and payments.

The following .pdf document outlines the comparative merits of FMS and DCS: http://www.disam.dsca.mil/pubs/DR/15%20Chapter.pdf

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/06/navy-and-marines-buy-more-m16s/comment-page-1/#comment-3172 Steve Fri, 24 Oct 2008 02:28:25 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/06/navy-and-marines-buy-more-m16s/#comment-3172 Daniel, what is a Foreign Military Sale? Daniel, what is a Foreign Military Sale?

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]]> By: Daniel E. Watters http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/06/navy-and-marines-buy-more-m16s/comment-page-1/#comment-3171 Daniel E. Watters Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:43:26 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/06/navy-and-marines-buy-more-m16s/#comment-3171 The Tank-automotive and Armament Command (TACOM) is the purchasing authority, not a manufacturer. All of the military's M16A3, M16A4, M4, and M4A1 are ordered through TACOM regardless of the service branch. They also handle orders for Foreign Military Sales (FMS) and other Defense Agencies. Even federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies are allowed to piggyback orders for these items. The Tank-automotive and Armament Command (TACOM) is the purchasing authority, not a manufacturer. All of the military’s M16A3, M16A4, M4, and M4A1 are ordered through TACOM regardless of the service branch. They also handle orders for Foreign Military Sales (FMS) and other Defense Agencies. Even federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies are allowed to piggyback orders for these items.

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/06/navy-and-marines-buy-more-m16s/comment-page-1/#comment-3170 Steve Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:18:05 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/06/navy-and-marines-buy-more-m16s/#comment-3170 Jcamelo, but they do supply Russia: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/10/04/ar-15m16-graveyard/ ;) Jcamelo, but they do supply Russia:

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/10/04/ar-15m16-graveyard/

;)

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]]> By: Jcamelo http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/06/navy-and-marines-buy-more-m16s/comment-page-1/#comment-3169 Jcamelo Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:09:44 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/06/navy-and-marines-buy-more-m16s/#comment-3169 The M16A4 is from TACOM which seems to be doing a lot better than Bushmaster right now seeing as Bushmaster does not supply anyone in the canadian or american military. The M16A4 is from TACOM which seems to be doing a lot better than Bushmaster right now seeing as Bushmaster does not supply anyone in the canadian or american military.

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/06/navy-and-marines-buy-more-m16s/comment-page-1/#comment-1718 Steve Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:10:40 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/06/navy-and-marines-buy-more-m16s/#comment-1718 haha, mistake in pricing. Is this a common practice? Thanks for the update haha, mistake in pricing. Is this a common practice?

Thanks for the update

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]]> By: Daniel E. Watters http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/06/navy-and-marines-buy-more-m16s/comment-page-1/#comment-1714 Daniel E. Watters Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:20:10 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/06/navy-and-marines-buy-more-m16s/#comment-1714 I was scouring through TACOM-RI to see if any contracts had been updated, and noticed new entries for W52H09-08-D-0122. The upshot is that Colt claimed a mistake in their pricing, and TACOM wouldn't budge on the quoted price. As a result, TACOM allowed Colt to back out of their delivery order of 20,000 M16A4 for the USMC. To keep the contract on life support, TACOM added a mere 154 M16A4 for FMS. The value of the contract dropped from $15,925,000 to $122,430. OUCH! I was scouring through TACOM-RI to see if any contracts had been updated, and noticed new entries for W52H09-08-D-0122. The upshot is that Colt claimed a mistake in their pricing, and TACOM wouldn’t budge on the quoted price. As a result, TACOM allowed Colt to back out of their delivery order of 20,000 M16A4 for the USMC. To keep the contract on life support, TACOM added a mere 154 M16A4 for FMS.

The value of the contract dropped from $15,925,000 to $122,430. OUCH!

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/06/navy-and-marines-buy-more-m16s/comment-page-1/#comment-1353 Steve Sat, 09 Feb 2008 00:30:30 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/06/navy-and-marines-buy-more-m16s/#comment-1353 Thanks for the info. Much appreciated! Thanks for the info. Much appreciated!

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]]> By: Daniel E. Watters http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/06/navy-and-marines-buy-more-m16s/comment-page-1/#comment-1351 Daniel E. Watters Sat, 09 Feb 2008 00:28:17 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/06/navy-and-marines-buy-more-m16s/#comment-1351 Bushmaster does not supply rifles for US military issue. However, TACOM has ordered from them in the past to fulfill Foreign Military Sales (FMS). Bushmaster does not supply rifles for US military issue. However, TACOM has ordered from them in the past to fulfill Foreign Military Sales (FMS).

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/06/navy-and-marines-buy-more-m16s/comment-page-1/#comment-1349 Steve Sat, 09 Feb 2008 00:14:30 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/06/navy-and-marines-buy-more-m16s/#comment-1349 Thanks for the update. To what extent, relative to colt and FN, has bushmaster supplied the US military? Thanks for the update.

To what extent, relative to colt and FN, has bushmaster supplied the US military?

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]]> By: Daniel E. Watters http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/06/navy-and-marines-buy-more-m16s/comment-page-1/#comment-1348 Daniel E. Watters Sat, 09 Feb 2008 00:09:17 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/06/navy-and-marines-buy-more-m16s/#comment-1348 Oops, it looks like Bushmaster's award for USN M16A3 was canceled on January 30. Oops, it looks like Bushmaster’s award for USN M16A3 was canceled on January 30.

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/06/navy-and-marines-buy-more-m16s/comment-page-1/#comment-1258 Steve Sun, 03 Feb 2008 01:11:48 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/06/navy-and-marines-buy-more-m16s/#comment-1258 Very interesting, thanks. Very interesting, thanks.

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]]> By: Daniel E. Watters http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/06/navy-and-marines-buy-more-m16s/comment-page-1/#comment-1256 Daniel E. Watters Sun, 03 Feb 2008 00:28:56 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/06/navy-and-marines-buy-more-m16s/#comment-1256 While attempting to look up the particulars on the recent TACOM awards to FN and Colt for US Navy M16A3 and USMC M16A4, I found a third contract award from the same solicitation. Bushmaster got it: W52H09-08-D-0120. Details of the delivery order follow: SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION 1. Delivery Order 0001 obligates a quantity of 5,631 M16A3 Rifle, NSN 1005-01-357-5112, PN 12012000 in accordance with the terms and conditions of the basic contract W52H09-08-D-0120. As this order is in excess of the guaranteed minimum quantity of 5,630 each, the Government is under no further obligation to place any additional orders. 2. The award is processed against Ordering Period 1 (Award through 31 December 2008) and the following CLINS are awarded: Clin 0008AA - First Article Test for $20.000.00. Clin 0008AB - 5,631 M16A3 Rifle, 5.56mm, NSN 1005-01-357-5112 at unit price of $715.00 each for a total of $4,026,165. 3. This delivery order is awarded FOB Origin. 4. Accelerated deliveries are acceptable at no cost to the Government and only at the express permission of the Contracting Officer. 5. Total value of Delivery Order 0001 is $4,046,165. Delivery is to NSWC-Crane. This does not appear to be a FMS order given that the latter are typically billed by TACOM to the US Army, not the US Navy. In addition, no FMS Country Code was listed. Of course, the acid test is whether Bushmaster's rifle will pass the First Article Test. Previous TACOM orders for Bushmaster were for commercial rifles and carbines; note the lack of a proper NSN on the previous orders for FMS clients. While attempting to look up the particulars on the recent TACOM awards to FN and Colt for US Navy M16A3 and USMC M16A4, I found a third contract award from the same solicitation. Bushmaster got it: W52H09-08-D-0120. Details of the delivery order follow:

SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION
1. Delivery Order 0001 obligates a quantity of 5,631 M16A3 Rifle, NSN 1005-01-357-5112, PN 12012000 in accordance with the terms and conditions of the basic contract W52H09-08-D-0120. As this order is in excess of the guaranteed minimum quantity of 5,630 each, the Government is under no further obligation to place any additional orders.

2. The award is processed against Ordering Period 1 (Award through 31 December 2008) and the following CLINS are awarded:

Clin 0008AA – First Article Test for $20.000.00.
Clin 0008AB – 5,631 M16A3 Rifle, 5.56mm, NSN 1005-01-357-5112 at unit price of $715.00 each for a total of $4,026,165.

3. This delivery order is awarded FOB Origin.

4. Accelerated deliveries are acceptable at no cost to the Government and only at the express permission of the Contracting Officer.

5. Total value of Delivery Order 0001 is $4,046,165.

Delivery is to NSWC-Crane. This does not appear to be a FMS order given that the latter are typically billed by TACOM to the US Army, not the US Navy. In addition, no FMS Country Code was listed.

Of course, the acid test is whether Bushmaster’s rifle will pass the First Article Test. Previous TACOM orders for Bushmaster were for commercial rifles and carbines; note the lack of a proper NSN on the previous orders for FMS clients.

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