Remington Model 700 VTR
The new model 700 Varmint-Tactical Rifle (VTR) is chambered in .204 Ruger, .223 Remington, .22-250 Remington and .308 Win.
A fusion of our most advanced performance features in both tactical and varmint rifles, the new Model 700â„¢ Varmint-Tactical Rifle (VTRâ„¢) is a revolutionary system optimized for extended-range precision and mobility. Its triangular barrel contour is a product of years of rigorous research and development focused on reducing weight, enhancing rigidity and promoting rapid heat dissipation.
To decrease recoil and muzzle jump, this uniquely contoured 22″ barrel has an integral muzzle brake that’s machined-in during production. Along with the new barrel design, we brought together a host of other cutting-edge features on our super accurate Model 700 platform. The results are nothing short of astounding.
More here.
UPDATE
NONYA posted a great photo in the comments below
This is for Greg I did not buy the 204 for deer IDIOT, I bought it for groundhog hunting. This caliber is not recomended for deer. I traded the Remington for a Savage 204, I am getting .75 inch groups at 100 yards with 27.2 grains of 4064 and 39 grain Sierra Blitz bullets! Really great shooting gun.
I use Hornady 32 grain V-max factory ammo. It does very well in my gun. I actually haven’t tried any other ammo but decided this is good enough as I have done many half inch groups and have succeeded at 1 three shot one hole group.
To Tyler,
You bought a piece of crap. I bought one last year in 223 Rem. and I could get it to group with anything. I sold mine and bought a Savage. I recommend that you do the same.
I BEEN SHOOTING THE HORNADY AMMO IN 308 THE RED TIP. IT GREAT RIGHT ON AT 100 OR 200 I HAVE A REDFEAL SCOPE 6 TO 18 RANGEFINDER A LITTLE OVER KILL FOR PA HUNTING BUT NEVER HAD TO TAKE MORE THAN ONE SHOT.THIS GUN IS ONE OF REM BETTER GUNS I HAVE A LOT OF GUNS 7MM MAG 30.06 30.30 AND A LOT MORE I BEN HUNTING FOR 45 YEARS. THE 308 IS A GREAT FLAT SHOOTING GUN. YOU DON’T NEED 300 MAGS OR THESE BIG CAL GUNS. THIS NEW VTR GUN IS ON. I KNOW THERE IS GUYS OUT THERE THAT CANT GET A GROUP. NOT THE GUN ITS THE MAN BEHIND THE GUN. I HAVE THIS GUN FOR 3 HUNTING SEASONS. I GOT DEER FRON 150 YARDS TO 325 YARDS. ITS A GOOD DEER RIFLE AND BEAR. IF IT WAS NOT I WOULD BE THE FIRST TO SAY ITS JUNK. TO MAKE A GOOD CAKE YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE RIGHT MIX. AND WHAT I FOUND OUT HORNADY RED TIP AMMO AND THE REM VTR IS THE RIGHT MIX.BY THE WAY I GOT A 12 POINTER THIS YEAR 325 YARDS. THE SCOPE HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE SHOT. I DON’T USE THE OTHER GUNS ANY MORE. IF IT NOT BROKE DON’T FIX IT. THIS WILL BE THE GUN I WILL USE UNTIL MY DAYS OF HUNTING ARE OVER. WILL GOOD LUCK WHAT EVER YOU ARE USEING. I KNOW WHAT I WILL BE USEING. REM. VTR. 308. REDFEAL SCOPE. 165 HORNADY RED TIP AMMO
I own a Rem VTR in 308 shoots great, don’t know why some people are having problems
I bought a Rem. 700 VTR a couple months ago. I dont shoot it a lot but I really love the gun. The only thing I’ve done to it is put a Firefield 3-12×40 scope on it. I can consistently get .6 to .75 inch groups with it. That is shooting laying on the ground with a bipod. Wouldn’t trade it for anything.
If you’re looking for a rifle that goes from your vault into a case, to your vehicle and onto a bench for it’s role in your collection this is not your rifle.
This is a rifle that gets dirty. That gets rough handling and treatment.
This is a rifle that carries well and provides the extended range when needed.
When I get the opportunity I dust it off with compressed air, rinse the barrel with silicone spray, and swab it out.
The optics are the weakest part of my rifle.
VitoM and Greg –
I purchased a 22-250 VTR / Leupold scope combo from a local store for my wife. I broke the barrrel in thru a shot/clean/shot routine out to 80 rounds. The gun was grouping 3 shots @ 1.5 inches at 100 yards. I removed the stock and adjusted the trigger, filed down the two molded blocks on the muzzle end of the stock, filled the stock voids with 2-part slow set epoxy, glass bedded the barrel and action, and installed a deresonator on the barrel to address some vibration issues. I never changed ammo from over the counter Hornady custom rounds. Last time I took the rifle to paper, I put 4 sequential shots under a penny at 100 yards on a 90 degree, 60% humidity day with a light 5 MPH breeze. I do not wait 5 minutes between shots but I do keep all paper targets with detail about the day, rounds, and distance. I shoot it as I would any other rifle and I treat it no different than any other rifle. After shooting the factory Hornady rounds, I did not feel the need to hand load.
To me, this rifle was money well spent for my wife and I as a utility rifle. It is now my first gun out for coyotes and deer. It is by no means a target rifle. The gun has never let me down and I never miss the opportunity to clean it in the field, on the range, and at the house. Accuracy was frusterating at first but was cleanly remedied with a little shop work at home.
To cooperjc; I’m an experienced shooter, and this piece of crap that I bought, that Remington calls a rifle, will not make anything more that one three shot group. then you have to let it cool off for twenty minutes before attempting to do it again. I really don’t care if Remington likes what I said or not. As for breaking in a barrel, it is still a theory. I have never broken in a barrel. I have read articles written by pros, and some say to break it in, (and they all have different ways to do it), and some say that it is not necessary.
To Greg, first off: learn the English language. You called me an idiot, but I passed grammar school English class. The word is YOU’RE, not YOUR. Also, never insult a person when you’re trying to make a point. It makes you look stupid. Insults are a tool of some one that doesn’t know what he is talking about. If one has knowledge on the subject on which he is speaking, then he doesn’t need to stoop down to insulting another person. If one is trying to cover up is ignorance, then he may need to stoop down to the level of insulting the one to which he is speaking.
Second: All Savage model 10 Law Enforcement rifles and model 12 Target Rifles will make Sub MOA groups all day long, right out of the box. I have made 5/8 inch and 3/8 inch groups and 4 bullets in one hole groups with mine, (I tried to make the five in one hole, but haven’t yet). I wish that I never sold it. But as soon as I sell this VTR, I’m buying another Savage. The Savage has a full length aluminum bedding and an adjustable trigger, and a barrel that sheds heat very well. The VTR has gimmicky barrel that you can fry eggs on, no bedding for the action or barrel, and the X Mark Pro trigger is not even as good as the X Mark trigger in my SPS. So in short, you can buy an out of the box gun and compete with it, just as long as it is not a Remington. If you buy a Remington, and you want to compete with it, you have to have some custom work done to it, ie: HS Precision stock or McMillan stock, or one of the others from other competition stock makers for a beginning. Of course there is the X40 Remington which already have all of these things done. Also, there are many different level of competition. I wasn’t planing on competing in one of the Nationals, just local stuff for fun.
Dear GREG
USMC rifle cost to make 296. In the hands of a marine 100 200 300 400 500 yards and further all day long. On your comment section which was to say the least hilarious get a clue you embarrassed yourself . I watched a Marine pick up a VTR and hole through hole within 2 minutes of picking up a gun he had never touched before in his life. My son, made me look like a fool but it goes to show ignorance at its best. I doubt very seriously Remington appreciates your comments and or lack of information. Don’t you have another website, blog, PLACE to post ignorant comments about something you know not one solid piece of information about. Scroll back and read my original post a few years ago, then ask yourself snipers handbook on HOW to BREAK in a rifle used for decades in our services and you think your two cents on opinion qualifies your input here. NOT
I am looking for answers about the 204 VTR I do not have the other calibers. Please do not send about the other calibers. Again, does anyone have a good load for the 204 Ruger for the Remington VTR everthing I try will not give a good grouping at 100 yards.
If you purchased a VTR for anything more than plinking, target shooting, deer, hog, predator or varmint hunting and expected more……well, your just an idiot. It is a factory production rifle. 1 inch groups at 100 yards is all your going to get. If you bought a vtr to compete against benchrest shooters that are shooting $3000-$5000 custom guns, then you are a bigger idiot. I think half the people that have posted on here do not know how to properly break in a rifle or clean a barrel after a range session. The half that don’t know how to properly break in a barrel will NEVER have a one hole shooter. It takes me atleast 2 hours some times more to clean my barrel after a 30 round range session.
I tried a lot of different factory ammo before I found my favorite one. You have to shoot different types of ammo with the same conditions. Clean barrel, and I mean CLEAN. Get all the fouling out. Test ammo with a clean barrel, and fouled barrel. Chart your rounds. Including the break in process I shot about 200 total rounds before I found the factory ammo and reload that shoots best in my rifle. You will also be able to see accuracy fluctuations. My rifle shoots extremely accurate between the 5th and 20th rounds. I know using Lake City brass, 165 gr sierra gameking SBT and 42 grains of IMR 4895 that my 6th round being a cold bore round is going to touch my 5th round at 100 yards. I have charted from 100-300 yards from round 1 to round 30 with cold warm and hot barrels. I have almost 900 rounds through my rifle with an excel spreadsheet that charts everything except when I shot at game.
The remington VTR is a cheap factory gimmicky gun. $700 bucks…..that is cheap for a decent rifle. It is still capable of being shot well, but it will never be capable of keeping up with a $3000-$5000 custom built rifle no matter who is shooting it. I bought my VTR for 4 reasons. 1. It was cheap 2. It looked cool and was well balanced 3. I can pass this .308 on to my son at a young age (very little recoil) 4. Remington 700 action is one of the most tried and true actions ever developed. At the end of the day, it is still a cheap factory production gun, and if you want it to be accurate, you have to take good care of it.
I guess you guys just don’t understand what I thought the gun was supposed to do. If I am bench shooting, I want to shoot a 5 round group, and then another one, and the another one, and so on. If I have to wait a half hour after the first three shots, then the gun is not what I wanted. My Savage, that I sold to buy this piece of crap, would never get hot, and shot after shot went where I wanted it to go, and the barrel never got too hot. So I appreciate all of the info that I have gotten from you guys. I now know that this is not the rifle that I wanted. I just wish that I had checked in to this site before I bought it. Butt I had no idea that the gun was incapable of shooting in a straight line beforehand. Anyway, it is on gunbroker, and I am going to buy a Savage Precision Carbine in 223 Rem.
Thank you every one for your help.
VitoM
Excuse my typo…
That first line in my last comment was supposed to be;
I have noticed on this blog that the VTR’s in 223 Rem. are hated, and the ones in 308 Win are loved.
Hi Bruce,
I have noticed on this blog that the VTR’s in are Rem. hated, and the ones in 308 Win are loved. There must be something to that. But I use H335 and Win 748 powders.
To the people that keep telling me about 55 gr. bullets, I bought a gun with a 1:9 twist because I wanted to shoot 60 – 70 gr. bullets. If the Rem VTR won’t let me, then there is something wrong. The whole idea of the faster twist is to shoot heavier bullets. I don’t like high velocity light weights. I like 2700 to 2900 fps with 60-70 gr. bullets. better for long range and hunting. I wanted a rifle that I could use for target and hunting.
Anyway, I have mine listed on GunBroker now. I’m getting rid of it, and my SPS in 308 Win. No more Remingtons for me. I like the Savages and Rugers much better.
Thank you for your inputs. this blog has helped me with my problem. I now know that it is the gun and not me.
Like Bruce and many others have stated, a bolt weapon and good optics should yield a swift kill with tha first round.
I didn’t hear about your break-in habits, most of my bolt guns of tha past have been used, so they were very well seasoned.
I am a mutt when it comes to my firearms, I have never been “married” to just one, I try to be proficiant with all that I own.
I shoot my .308′s more but have switched too .tha .223′s, my VTR has tha triangle and comped barrel, it is suppose to get hot faster, but cool at a faster rate, thats by design. I am still learning mine and can do a quarter group with cheap ball ammo, once you see what tha weapon is capable of, now you can improve on it and have a standard to compare too.
Wouldn’t it be great to have a one hole group right out of tha box? Like my R-25 (totally differet beast) with every weapon purchased?
My XCR is a one holer, but she likes to be fired from a nice platform, I have never taken my bench hunting with me….just sayin’
Safty first…..never return fire, shoot first…
Try Varget powder for the .223. I loaded a varity of 55 gr. Nosler ballistic tips with good results from most all powders. Varget gave me the best overall average velocity and accuracy. I used the Varget suggested load listed on the cannister and experimented from there. I am using the maximum suggested manufacturers load. My chronograph showed velocity @ 3290 fps with 100 yard groups under 1/2″ for 10 consectutive 5 shot groups. I let the barrel cool down about 20 to 30 minutes between rounds. My VTR in .223 has a 24″ barrel without the muzzle brake. It is topped with the Redfield Revolution 4 x 12 scope. The only adjustment I made to the gun was to lighten the trigger pull down as far as it would go. I measured it at 3-1/4 lbs. I also found out that the first few shots out of a clean barrel are not as accurate as the next 50+ after cleaning.
I had a 308 for 3 years now, and at the range Its still ok after 20 plus shots in quick time. I use win 748 and 2206, Remington mag primers and have not had a problem with exsses heat I think you have to ecept its going to heat up, But its the first shot that counts when hunting
I have read several of the comments on this site, and what I get from it is that the VTR is not a gun for sitting at a bench and trying to make five bullets in one hole. Matter of fact, it isn’t even as good as an SPS. I own mine exactly one month today. I only bought the scope eleven days ago. So I’ve only been shooting it eleven days, and now I have to sell it in order to buy a real rifle. I’m going to sell my SPS in 308 Win. also. I’ll never buy another Remington. I’m going back to Savage. Their rifles are better, and they are always striving to make them better. They have excellent customer service too. Remington is just out for the money. They are not in it to make good firearms. They have their reputation to fall back on, and unfortunately, I fell for their hype.
I just read a comment from dsgraha, and it seems that He/She agrees with me whole heartedly. When I had me Savage, I could shoot all day long and never have to stop to let the barrel cool off because it never got hot. Matter of fact, it was the first two shots that were bad. After that, the barrel was just right for a day of clover leaf hole in paper. I don’t like light weight bullets, whizzing around at 4500 fps. I like 60-70 gr. bullets doing about 2700-2900 fps. So it is not that my loads are too hot. The gun just plain s%&ks. I bet Remington knows all about this, and will do nothing about it. Has anybody out there tried to contact them on this matter? I’m going to try. For anybody that has owned a Marlin, Mossberg, Savage, or Ruger, you probably know that you can get them on the phone and talk with them. The only problems that I have ever had with a Ruger or a Savage, is faulty magazines, and they replaced them with no questions asked.
My very last word on this subject; I WILL NEVER BUY ANOTHER REMINGTON FIREARM!!!
Jan Bedont,
That really doesn’t help me because the loads that I use are good. It is that I can only shoot three rounds. And that is what you are telling me. I want to be able to go to the range and compete all day long. I just should have kept my savage. Remington has become too big and don’t give a crap about us, only their money. I’m going to have to sell this piece of crap and buy another Savage.
VitoM
I tried 3 or four more loads different powder
& grains. 4064 works 26.2 grains works well, but after three shots the barrel gets hot and they jump all over the place.
I would like to know if s togieman has gotten any better results since he bought his VTR in 223 Rem. back in 10/2008. I did notice that he used 55 gr. ammo. The one in nine twist likes bullets of 60 -70 grains. But I am having trouble with all bullets from 53 to 80 grains. I did notice that this gun, unlike my former Savage FCP-K, dose not have enough room to seat the bullet high, so the heavier one stick down past the shoulders inside the case. The magazine has the room, but the lans are right up there, just past where the case ends. I think that this whole gun and design was just a sales gimmick on Remington’s part to make money. If I don’t get good results from it soon, I’m going to sell it and buy another Savage or Ruger. Savage Arms, Ruger, Mossberg, and Marlin will actually answer your emails and talk to you on the phone. I know because I have been on the phone with these manufacturers, and they are always willing to help and disovle a problem. I should never of sold my savage. Remington is a conglomerant, and they couldn’t give a damn about their customers.
I just bought a VTR in 223 Rem., and I am very disappointed. I sold my Savage FCP-K because it was too heavy and bulky. But it made sub MOA, (5/8″), groups continually from day one. I liked the way the VTR feels and balances, but the barrel gets very hot after just three rounds. So hot that I can’t touch it. I can make one three shot clover leaf, and that’s it. then I have to wait for the barrel to cool, (about twenty minutes). If I don’t wait for it to cool, the holes in the paper are all over the place. I have a Weaver Super Slam 4-20X50 EBX scope with Weaver steel Grand Slam mounts, and Burris Zee Rings. This is a very solid set up, but the gun likes to bend. I have shot Hornady 53 gr VMax Superformance, and Win. 55 gr FMJ, and Federal 55 gr SP factory ammo, and 55 gr Sierra HP, 63 gr Sierra Semi Points, Sierra 69 Match King BTHP, and the 80 gr Match King bullets with VV N540, H335, and Win 748 powders. I wish that I’d kept the Savage. This gun doesn’t shoot any better than my SPS in 308 Win. But that is a hunting gun, not a target gun, so I didn’t expect one inch groups from it. Does anybody know what may be wrong?
What works for me 32GN V-Max Win 748 31g under 1 inch at 100 mtrs
and in my 308 Hornady 168g 46g Ar2208 Match 1/2 repeatable or 165 Siarra HPBT same load, and 130 V-Max AR2208 48g but they shoot 2 inches lower than the heavyer bullet, but I have learnt to allow for it as I use leupold 4-14 VX3L varment rec which makes it easy
Bruce
Does anyone have a suggestions 0n bullets or powder for my Remington 204 VTR. I have tried 5 different loads and with no tight groups on any.
Including new shells.
I have a Reminton 204 VTR It does not shoot very well with new shells does anyone else have this problem?
I have the Remington 700 VTR in .308 for over a year, I am currently a police officer and deploy it for work purposes. I am using Federal 168 gr Match Kings and the weapon performs flawlessly. On a 50 meter zero I am key holing using a Leupold Mark 4 ER/T 8.5-25X50mm glass on it. So far I have taken it out to 400 meters and have had consistent groups of 1-7/8 to 2 inch. O really like this platform.
I just returned home from Iraq in Dec. Spent my free time over the last year eyeballing the VTR between missions. Once I got home went and bought it in .308cal. Paired it with a Zeiss 3.5X10 Z 6Plex and a Harris Bipod. Great looking rifle, and shoots even better. Have it shooting sub 1inch groups at 200yds. Killed a 200lb 9 point in Feb at 110yds using Winchester 150gr PowerMax. Deer went down like a ton of bricks. Love this rifle……Any suggestions on accessories? Also, what grain and type bullet are you getting the best performance out of?
does anyone have this in a .204… if so… what do you think??
Hello chaps, I have a VTR in .223 it shoots Fiocchi 55 gr PSP (23gr spherical powder, looks like TAC and bullet with canular) into less than an inch all morning and shoots cheep Remington 62 gr HP (with canular!!) over 25.2gr Varget/7.5 RemBR – into half inch all afternoon. I understand that some rifles are more trouble than others, so maybe those displeased got a bad one. I love my VTR I don’t care if it’s floated/bedded or not. I tighten everything up and I inserted a thick leather pad with silicone filler to apply some forend pressure right at the tip, and also I put a compressed oily leather tab in the recoil lug slot in the stock, and boy oh boy this things is solid and it is a joy to shoot. It’s been freezing cold recently and I recon when conditions get better I will be able to tighten those groups up a bit. Don’t be put off by negative comments, you never know when a guy just doesn’t “get it”. At the range this gun is out performing 90 percent of what other guys are shooting, I don’t see anyone shooting smaller groups that this unless they are sitting behind a system costing at least twice as much with 400+ dollar scopes. And actually most of the issues I have had with “problem” rifles has usually come down to scopes/rings. With good glass, the VTR shoots very straight.
-=tpr=-
There are a few ballistic graphing programs that I use:
Winchester: http://www.winchester.com/learning-center/Pages/Ballistics-Calculator.aspx
and Remington Shoot: http://www.remington.com/pages/news-and-resources/downloads/remington-shoot-software.aspx
I have owned and shot my VTR 308 for three years now. I for one love Remington 700′s but after dealing with this joke of a firearm I believe I will never purchase another over priced POS Remington again. This thing is the worst shooting rifle I have ever owned. Starting with the plastic ten cent joke of a stock on it. I do not care how much you glassbed this thing, it will not hold true. I do like the look of the stock, and the cool look of the barrel, but looks do not cut single hole paper. I am going to sink some more money in this thing and purchase a real stock in hopes it will perform to the standards Remington “claimed” it would out of the box. If that does not work then I will order a Shilien Barrell and true the action. But then it really is not a VTR any more is it? $900 fix er up er. Thats what it is.
If I was a lawyer I would sue Remington for false advertisement, as well as all the other gun magazinse that pucked Remingtons lies.
Truth is this thing looks cool, but falls way short of performing well. Remington should take this one off the market of cut the price down by 80 percent.
Have a .204 VTR and it’s my new favorite rifle! I have pretty much put the .223 aside. Starting to reach out there with it to see what it can really do, 600 yd is pushing it, but it is do-able. I’m shooting winchester 34 gr and having a hard time finding any print and go ballistic charts
I own a .243 VTR and like the look of the rifle. As far as accuracy I also own a 90s model 110 Savage 270 and the rifles are pretty close. Price for accuracy is still owned by Savage.
AUTHOR STEVEN. ON THE PLASTIC STOCK ITS VERY DURABLE FOR COLD WEATHER. IN PENNSYLVANIA IT ALSO IS COLD 10-15 BELOW ZERO. IT WILL NOT CRACK OR SHATTER. I HAD IT UP IN CANADA 22 TO 25 BELOW NO PROBLEM I EVEN FELL WITH THE GUN ON THE STOCK ON A ROCK JUST A NICK NO CRACK THE STOCK DIDNOT SHATTER. THE STOCK WAS TESTED FOR HIGH TEMP AND SUB ZERO. THE AR15 AND M16 STOCKS ARE MADE FROM THE SAME COMPOSIT. DONT WORRIE ABOUT THE STOCK IT WILL HOLD UP LONG AFTER YOUR GONE. BELIEVE ME YOU MADE NO MASTAKE WITH THIS GUN.AFTER I GOT MY 308 VTR AND THE OTHER GUYS IN THE HUNTING CLUB HAD A GOOD LOOK AND SHOT IT 5 OF THE 10 HAVE THE VTR NOW. AND ARE VERY HAPPY WITH IT. DONT BABY IT YOU WON’T BREAK IT ITS MADE FOR THE WOODS. GOOD LUCK COOKIE
Hey, no problem COOKIE. Thanks for providing some more insight on the gun. I didn’t realize it was tested for 3 years prior to release. That in itself speaks volumes about the R&D Remington invested into this weapon. Some reviews I have read were pretty skeptical of some of Remingtons claims for this weapon, calling the barrel shape and muzzle break, “gimics”, also calling the plastic stock “cheap” and a way to “cut costs”. But I think the fact they tested it for 3 years pretty much scuttles that theory. Lets face it Remington wouldn’t waste 3 years testing out “gimics”, 3 hours maybe. As for the plastic stock, I really have no problem with it. I don’t think it will ever pose an issue that any other stock wouldn’t, whether it were made of wood, or synthetics. Only concern with the plastic stock I have is with the cold weather won’t the plastic expand/contract? The mercury hit -34C this morning here so I’m afraid winter is here to stay for the duration. Anybody have experience with this weapons performance in sub zero temperatures? I would love to hear what you have to say and any tip/tricks you may have.
SORRY ABOUT THE COMMENT IT WAS NOT INTENDED TO BE DERECTED AT YOU.THE CAL YOU CHOOSED IS A VERY GOOD VARMINT ROUND.THE ONLY REASON I”M SAYING ABOUT THE VTR IS BEAUSE THE GUN IS THE MOST ACC YOU CAN BUY. I HAVE AROUND 35 HUNTING RIFLES I SHOOT ALOT.BELIEVE ME IF THIS WAS A PICE OF JUNK I WOULD BE THE FIRST TO LET EVERYONE KNOW. WHEN IT COMES TO GUNS I FOUND OUT FROM CUSTOM GUN MAKERS HOW TO BUY THE GUN FOR THE GAME YOU HUNT. KEEP THE LOWEST MOUNTS YOU CAN GET. NO SEE THROUGH MOUNTS STEEL ONLY. THE BARREL ON THIS GUN MAKES A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE ITS A LONG RANGE GUN EVEN THE 223. WHEN I SAID THE 223 DOES NOT DO THE JOB THATS IN WARFAIR IN DONT HAVE THE HITTING POWER TO STOP ON COMEING. BUT HUNTING IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. THE VTR YOU GOT FOR WHAT YOUR HUNTING FOR IS THE BEST.REM TESTED THIS GUN FOR 3 YEARS. AS YOU USE IT MORE YOU WILL SEE YOU HAVE THE BEST MADE GUN ON THE MARKET. AGIN SORRY BUT THE COMMENT WAS NOT DERECTED AT YOU.
Cookie… it’s apparent you didn’t even read the posts. I said the Browning was my first choice, but I DIDN’T buy the Browning, I bought the 700 VTR. I got the VTR with a nice Bushnell scope for $900CAN, versus the Browning @ $1650CAN with no scope. Both guns felt very good, I just prefferred the feel of the Browning to the VTR. Remington being known for it’s “out of the box” accuracy was another good selling point for the 700 VTR, along with it’s aggressive looks. Unfortunately since they don’t allow you to fire guns in the store, I had to make a decision based on bang for buck. I chose the VTR.
Now when you say the military is switching “back to .308 CAL because the .223 CAL does’nt cut it”. Are you saying that from a the perspective of you being in the military? If so great, I have many friends and family in the armed forces and it I hold them in the highest respects. Although at the same time who cares what the military or someone like SWAT chooses to shoot “people” with? Are you shooting people or wild game? My gun was bought to clean the coyotes off our farm and our neighbors, .223 are not legal to shoot anything larger. The .308 is a great calibre but a little of an over kill for a deer
Honestly though I appreciate the hype you put behind the VTR, while our guns CAL isn’t the same your high opinion of this gun and other opinions like yours, helps solidify I made the right decision. If anything you’ve made me more anxious to shoot my VTR. But please next time, read the post before going off on someone about buying a Browning.
I HAVE THE 308 VTR THIS IS THE 2 SEASON I USE IT I HERE THESE PRO ASSHOLES TALKING ABOUT THAT IT DOES NOT HAVE THE ACC OF A BROWNING I BEEN HUNTING FOR 42 YEARS FOR BIG GAME.AND HAVE MORE GUNS THEN ALL THEM PUT TOGETHER AND THERE FULL OF SHIT THIS GUN IS THE BEST HUNTING GUN AND CAL 308 THAT IS ON THE MARKET TODAY.IF THEY CAN NOT HIT OR GROUP ITS BECAUSE THEY CANT SHOOT. THE ARMY IS GOING BACK TO A 308 CAL BECAUSE THE 223 DOES NOT DO THE JOB.THE 308 IS THE BEST FLAT SHOOTING ROUND THEY EVER CAME OUT WITH.AND THIS RIFLE IS THE BEST OF THE BEST OTHER WISE I WOULD GET RID OF IT. REM IS THE MOST ACC RIFLE OUT OF THE BOX YOU CAN BUY FOR THE MONEY. I HAD BROWNING AND WEATHERB JUST THE NAME ALL I KNOW I HIT WHAT I SHOOTING AT. WITH THIS VTR ITS A GREAT GUN TO OWN.ALL I KNOW IS THIS YEAR I WILL BE IN THE WOODS WITH A REM 308 VTR REM. BY THE WAY I GOT A 12 POINTER LAST YEAR THE VTR 350 YARDS I AIMED AT THE HEART AND THATS WERE IT WENT RIGHT THROUGH THE HEART. WELL THAT SOLD ME. GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR BROWNING.
STEVE R, what was the exact Hogue stock you replaced your VTR with? and where did you order it from?
After shooting 500 rounds through my .308 VTR over a 1 year time frame I have run into an accuracy issue. My recipe which was shooting dime sized groups at 100 yds has now spread to 2-3 inches even in indoor bench rest shooting conditions. That is unsatisfactory. I am now going to experiment with the stock which is something I am unaccustomed to doing. I would like to start by replacing the stock and going from there. Can you please give me any information on the stock that can assist me.
Hey cooperjc its a firearms forum… not a Remington forum (hence the name thefirearmblog) its a Remington thread, and your two cents isn’t worth the copper to make them. Last time I checked Browning makes “firearms” do they not?
Now to go and make remarks about my girlfriend over the internet, I must congratulate you on successfully making everyone that reads this board realize just how large of a douche you actually are. Maybe you should come talk to me in person and say something smart about my GF. I always get a rush from beating the p*ss out of folks with attitudes such as yours (internet/wannabe tough guys). Despite what your boyfriend tells you a weenis in your rectum isn’t a good alternative to having no spine.
As for the VTR, can’t wait to shoot it, and can’t wait for Xmas. I’d offer my thoughts but apparently owning a Remington 700 VTR doesn’t qualify me to comment on it.
I think I can speak for all on this forum, it is about owning, firing, tweaking, and responding to Remington VTR weapons, not posting (GF) comments about browning, comparisons and or your Christmas wishes. This forum started out being valid “GOOD” from hunters and avid sportsman related to the Remington VTR rifle and its accolades. My two cents
Join a browning forum PLEASE. I sure this audience would prefer to hear from your GF
Haven’t had the oppurtunity to fire one yet, but I loved the feel and the balance of this gun when I held it in the store. My GF is getting me a .223 version of the 700 VTR for Christmas this year! Although it was my second pick behind the Browning Eclipse M-1000 A-bolt Stainless (22-250), and for alot less money. Even so I have to say its hands down the best xmas gift I’ll have gotten since I was a kid.
Unfortunately there is a downside to this whole equation. My GF was stern about the fact I have to wait until Christmas before I can use it… I know what your thinking, isn’t there some law against that? Turns out there isn’t, I was just as shocked to find out as I’m sure you are right now. I decided though i will buy the Browning next year in a .270.
I had the same problem. Instead of putting the tip of the stock on the sand bag I moved the bag back until it was near the trigger guard and the groups closed up to about 1/4 inch.
I pondered which rifle to buy for several months, and had it narrowed down to two rifles; the Remington Model 700 VTR and the Ruger Hawkeye Tactical, both in .223 Remington. I went the econo route and bought the VTR saving a couple hundred skins. I topped it with a Nikon Buckmasters 6-18X40 SF and the store boresighted the rifle for me. About 70 rounds later, my groups are still 2.5 inches center-to-center at 100 yards. This really sucks. I have used three types/manufacturers of ammo including Remington’s own hollowpoints. I have checked everything for tightness and cannot find anything wrong with anything. I have shot from a bipod (on a concrete bench), a sandbag rest, and by holding the rifle tightly, resting my elbow on the benchtop. The results were all the same. Ugly. Perhaps I have a factory lemon, but at any rate I am stuck with a rifle that has a 50% chance of hitting a p-dog at 100 yards, and that’s before any of my own bad habits come into play. In the past I have owned two Ruger No.1 Varmints, one in .204, and the other in .223, and they both shot sub-MOA right out-of-the-box with cheap Tasco scopes. I’ll never buy another Remington. Too bad accuracy isn’t gauranteed.
I have a VTR in 223. Got it in the spring. Shot groups that strung vertically until it, or me warmed up. But there were too many wild shots. Took it prairie doging in SD, shot pretty good, blasted a lot of those critters. Missed a lot too. Probably near 800 rounds through it when I returned.
Floated the barrel. Helped a lot. After floating the barrel it shot tight groups and did not stack the shots up vertically like before. I found the Remington stock to be too flimsy for my liking, which I thought, was causing me to have too many flyers.
I put a Houge over molded pillar mount stock on it. Groups tightened up, I can call the shots now. Took it back to South Dakota, killed the prairie dogs I missed the first time. It just shoots great now.
I was so impressed with the improvement I put a Houge stock on my SPS.
Too sum it up, I tested it both ways and floating the barrel helped a lot.
Clean barrel or fouled barrel produce the same results. This morning I fired four rounds from a cold fouled barrel that had maybe six rounds thru it since last cleaning. First shot was one inch low and the next three shots were all touching but one inch higher than the first shot.
Have you tried free floating the barrell? I do not believe your accuracy will be comprimised by trying this. My VTR has (2) pressure points in the fore arm of the stock the I sanded with sand paper and a wooden dowl until I could put a $1 bill through the area freely. My VTR in .223 shoots sub 1/2″ groups all day. Question: You did not state whether or not you were shooting after cleaning the barrel. Sometimes a fouling shot may help. Good luck!
I have a VTR in .243 Win. Five shot groups at 100 yds. are about one inch. The last 4 shots are 1/4 to 3/8 of an inch apart but the first shot from a cold barrel is always about 3/4 of an inch high and to the right. Is there any way to eliminate that first “flier”?
I have had my VTR in .223 for about a month now. I have found several loads with Hornaday 50 and 60 grain V Max bullets and Benchmark powder that will put 5 shots under an inch at 100 yards as well as one load with Sierra 55 grain spitzers that will do the same. My 50 grain Vmax load put 5 shots in 2 1/2 inches at 300 yards today in mild wind. All I have done to this rifle is adjust the trigger to what I felt was as light as was safe. No trigger pull gauge so I don’t know what it is.
I have read quite a few complains about this gun in other places but I am very happy with mine.
Thanx Bruce, thanx Ron, Ya’ll just reinforced my belief that we need to see what tha weapon is capable of before we try to fix what is not broken.
I’m up to three hundred rounds of Ga.Arms match .308, two and three touching with an occational called flyer.
I’m still werkin on tha .223, all I am shooting is Mil ball until I get tha bugs out of it, tha 5 lb trigger isn’t helping…
Thanx
Ya’ll be safe
I now have fired over 500 rounds through my .223 VTR and am extremely pleased with its accuracy. After only 2 shots to zero @ 100 yards, all rounds were fired without changing adjustments on the Redfield 4×12 Revolution scope. All 500 rounds fell within a 2″ group reguardless of ammo fired. The most accurated loads were 24.0 grains of 3031 with a 55 gr. Nosler balistic tip. The same bullet with 25.0 grains of Varget produced identical accuracy at 0.35″ for 5 shot groups. The IMR 3031 produced velocity around 2950 fps with a standard bariation of around 14fps. The varget produced 3250 with a S.D. of 18 fps. One group of 40 rounds of PMC 55 grain FMJ was fired with some amazing results. The group was the largest at around 1″ but the velocity was astounding. The highest velocity was 3590 and the lowest was 3522 fps. This ammo was produced in Korea and purchased over the counter from Cabelas 5 years ago. I need to mention that my VTR has a true 24″ barrel without the mussle brake. I also did not file the tabs from the stock to free float the barrel. The rifle is stock except for adjusting the trijjer down to 3 lbs of pull. The factoy setting was 4.3 lbs.
My 308 VTR is 18 months old now, and I still love it, it regually shoots groups under an inch 100 meters my loadings are Hornady 165 Gr SST 41 Gr win 748 and remington mag primers.
I’ve found this to be the most consistant load for the VTR I have not altered the stock it’s same as out of the box.
Steel plates at 1000 yrs are 12″x12″. Whats up with this board? Does everyone feel the need to take a dig at someone here? I will excuse myself to another board.
<—– Brainiac as so defined . welp i fully floated the barrells in all three of my vtr's and every single one showed improvment the best improvement was noticed on the heavier hotter loads . guess that might be some chunks in someone's pudding but my .02
Nothin’ like seeing a good hit through tha scope , right Mr. Dirty1 ? So tha Question remains, has anyone fired 100 rounds from a stock VTR and then fired 100 rounds through tha same weapon after free-floating tha stock, or a glass-bedding it, too see what, if any improvement was achieved ?
I agree that I’m not a great shot, but I am capable of hitting what I aim at.
Tha points at tha end of tha stock are mearly resting points, my guess.
Steel plates at 1000yrds, must have been tha size of a sheet of plywood…
Ya’ll keep it safe
@thedirty1. Thanks for your passive agressiveness. I hope you feel better soon.
I got one chambered in .308 and I got to say im very happy all around. Hit two bucks this past season with 150 yard head shots confidently…. and to the guys who try to free float the barrel, dont you brainiacs think remington played with that before they finalized. id say remington builds a better rifle than you!
Blackwater, thats my front yard, I hear them echo from ten miles away. Funny you removed tha resting points before you saw what tha weapon was capable of, I just got tha same rifle and went to tha Dare range this past Sunday. Out of tha box, twelve rounds to zero, boom, three rounds of Match on top of each other at 100yrds in gust of ten mph,.
Has anyone seen a difference without tha points ?
Keep it safe
Wild Bill
I just got back from Blackwater USA (U.S. Training Center). I took their precision rifle course and brought my VTR in .308. One of the instructors helped me file down the plastic columns to get the barrel free floating.I havent been able to touch my rounds at 100 yet (lack of practice). I am a novice shooter and was able to group sub MOA at 600 yds (Thanks to the help of the wind I’m sure) and I did hit steel targets at 700 and 1000 yards, bouncing right and left at 800 and 900 with a lot of wind. I had a Bushnell Elite 3200 5×15 on top. This is my next seasons deer rifle, and so far I am pretty darn pleased.
I just purchase a Remington VTR in .223. It is the Cabela’s version with a 24″ barrel without the muzzel brake in a 1:9″ twist. Does anyone have experience reloading 55 grain Nosler’s? What type of powder seems to provide accuracy with this combo?
As a Retired Marine Corps Sniper, I can appreciate a well balanced and properly functioning long range weapon system. I believe the Remington 700 action to be one of the best out of the box functioning, reliable, and safe actions available. With a little Bolt face machining and Lug Lapping ,this action will definitely be on level with most other custom riffles available. I have several Varmint calibers in both 20 and 26 inch barrels and can say I get better long range accuracy from the 26 barrel as well as greater velocity. I do reload my own cartridges and can dial each riffle into it’s own coat and top hat for it’s best performance.but still shoot factory loads for everyday plinking. I find a well polished bore both cleans easier and stay accurate longer.A custom stock available on line will work as well or better than most over priced catalog big name stocks. You can find them @Ricks stocks.com you may spend a few hours on final fit and finish but it is your stock ( tailored to you ) when you are done. As for triggers I still find it hard to beat a Jewell trigger,and Optics dollar for dollar it’s tough to beat a Leupold Mk 3 or 4, I have two Smith Bender scope’s but don’t believe the money difference is worth it. For my fellow shooters with bad shoulders or just don’t like the recoil of the 308 try the 243 it’s ballistics are just as good as the 308 but much less felt recoil. Coyote’s at range don’t know the difference between the two and the 243 is cheaper to shoot and reload. But that’s just my opinion. thank you for your time and as always safe shooting is not an accident.
Thanks for the feedback. I will check it out before I order it from my local gunshop.
Scott, I bought mine from http://www.galleryofguns.com/ reliably for about $150 cheaper that the big stores in town (bass pro, GM, etc. ). In that site you shop the gun and the local retailer for the cheapest transfer cost.
You will love it!