SIG SAUER P250

SIG have just launched the new SIG SAUER P250 pistol. What makes this pistol interesting is its ability to change calibers!

The frame and fire control groups are available for calibers 9mm, .45, .40 S&W and .357SIG can be changed into three different families of grips: Subcompact, Compact and Full (each available in three sizes). Two types of triggers, standard and short. Very cool!

Overall there are (including left/right hand configuration) 144 different combinations, not bad straight out of the factory.

From SIGSAUER.com

The P250, a modular pistol that allows the shooter to change caliber and size at will.

The SIG SAUER P250 was designed specifically to address the future needs of the military, law enforcement, and civilian shooters around the world. The P250 will be available in the most popular calibers;(9mm, .357SIG, .40S&W and .45ACP). The P250’s innovative design enables the shooter to quickly remove the functional mechanism and place it into the polymer grip of his choice. This allows an immediate change in caliber and size;(subcompact, compact and full). And after any change the pistol delivers both outstanding accuracy and reliable functionality.

It’s modularity not only provides incredible ease of maintenance, but also provides a solution for accommodating different hand sizes – there are 6 different ergonomic combinations for each size, accomplished by changes in grip circumference and trigger style. Now you can own the world’s only modular shooting system globally engineered to deliver the “to hell and back” reliability you’ve come to expect from Sig Sauer.

Caliber 9mm
Trigger Pull DAO 5.5 – 6.5 lbs
Overall Length 7.20″
Overall Height w/ Mag 5.12″
Overall Width 1.3″ (Std. Grip)
Sight Radius 5.79″
Sights SIGLITE® Night Sights
Weight w/ Mag 24.60oz
Magazine Capacity 9mm 16 Rounds
Grips Interchangeable Polymer
Finish Nitron®
MSRP $699.00
CA Compliant No
MA Compliant No

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Here is a video about the pistol

Hat Tip: Real Gun Guys



Steve Johnson

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  • The iconic IMI Desert Eagle also allows caliber changes. From .357 Magnum, to .41 Remington Magnum, to .44 Magnum and to .50AE.

    Swap the bolt, barrel and magazine and you’re good to go!

    (I don’t see the .41 Remingtons offered anymore at the Magnum Research site, so I’m glad I got one when I did!)

    A couple nother caliber swapping guns I like are the Micro-Uzi (9mm and .45 Auto); and my AR-17 (.22 LR, .223 Rem, and .50 BMG)

    Sweetness.

  • I had forgotten about the Desert Eagle!

    SIG should have offered a .22LR conversion, even if it was more expensive than the other calibers it would have been popular.

    I saw a photo of your AR-17 .50 BMG 🙂 🙂

  • Jason

    I got to handle one tonight, and was so disappointed. The trigger doesn’t reset until it’s completely let up, and there’s no click to help you find it. That’s forever going to handicap this pistol when it comes to fast shooting. Even the DAK trigger resets about halfway back through its travel, and offers a noticeable click. I’m sure it’s very reliable and accurate – it’s a SIG – but if this is the direction they’re moving, I’m glad I got the P239 DAKs when I did.

  • Robert

    Just got mine the other day and have fired 550rds so far. Very accurate and very quick to shoot. changed from a glock/xd carry and don’t feel like I gained more than I may have lost. Very quick follow up shots. Very easy to clean. Gun is very light, made my xd9 feel like a brick.

  • Robert

    Made a typo, I DO feel like I gained more than I may have lost. Good price for a good gun

  • Hi Robert, thanks for the info. What caliber and configuration where you using? Are you planning on purchasing other configurations?

    Do you agree with Jason’s above comment about the trigger?

  • I’ve put about 1500 rounds through mine and I gotta say, for a DAO, it’s pretty nice. I agree it doesnt have the reset my G23 and G19 has, but the light as a feather trigger more than makes up for that. I wholeheartidly disagree with anyone who says you can’t fire this weapon fast. Believe me, you can. You just have to pull your old revolver finger out, thats all. In April when SIG releases the short trigger (not the short reset, but rather a trigger geared for those with shorter fingers) this gun will be damn near perfect, for a DAO. And all this coming from a guy whose so in love with his SIG P226Navy that I named her jennifer and refuse to date any girl who isn’t names Jennifer also…mostly so I don’t have to remember whose name I’m calling out in the sack…hee hee hee.

  • Allapattah

    I bought the P250 two-tone and am very happy with its accuracy, reliability and lightness. I also like the 16 round capacity (9mm) in a compact gun.

  • Betsy Ross

    We bought our sig p250 a week ago, we put 100rds through. Very nice, very smooth and easy to operate. Did have one jam though,it faied to eject the old casing.
    Had a friend with us who has a springfield hd 9mm, compared the two, and now wants to buy the Sig. Very Nice peice!

  • Amir

    I got the P250 about two weeks now and I’ve shot about a 100rounds so far, I’ve very impressed with the overall performance, but I guess I overlooked DAO, because of quickly deciding what to buy, compared to my fathers P226 it doesnt compare the same. I’m considering getting the short trigger, not sure if this will make much of a difference with the trigger pull. But if anyone has any suggesting post it up, id really appreciate the info.

  • ChrisC

    I completely agree with what Brownmajik says with respect to the trigger being fast if used properly. I’ve tried what he suggests on a hangun with a rather long reset, and it works fine. I actually just let my finger go of the trigger and let the trigger fly back itself. Followup shots are plenty fast. It takes some getting used to, but it’s not too slow at all. Could come from the fact that I haven’t fired a revolver in years, though.

    I’m going to give a P250 a look this Xmas when I have the extra cash. I’d love a “classic” Sig, but I probably can’t afford one of them right now. The P250 is absolutely a good idea, and another thing I really like about it, it disassembles COMPLETELY by the user. That means for those of us who like to do DuraCoat jobs, we don’t have to take it to an armorer to get all the nook and cranny detailed.

  • Steven S Stahlhut

    Lokking to buy my first high powered pistol for home
    defense & carry. Leaning towards the 45 acp, but really liked the fit and feel of the Ruger SR9. Although I am 6’2″ and weigh 225, I have small hands. (No, the old adage is not true) Even the Glock 30 SF felt too bulky. The SR9 feels great, but I would prefer the 45acp.

    Any comments on the Sig 250?

    Appeciate your input.

    Thanks,

    Steve

  • Tim

    Having owned a myriad of SIGs, Glocks and H&Ks, my initial impression of the P250 was somewhat apprehensive, as now we have a SIG pistol COMPLETELY manufactured outside of Europe. Say what you will, but the Germans and Swiss simply produce the best weapons in the world (I am an admitted gun bigot). So, the US-made SIG had me skeptical.

    I was able to get a P250 compact with night sights in 9mm at a reasonable price from a hungry local dealer–you will note the American-made SIG does not carry the high price tag of it’s Swiss and German-made cousins. First time to the range, I put 300 rounds of various manufacture through this gun, including a few RBCD frangible rounds. The P250 performed flawlessly. The trigger was a tad long, but very smooth and workable. Recoil was better than most 9mm’s I’ve shot in the past. Balance and accuracy were above average for an out-of-the-box gun.

    In short, I’m impressed. Right now, the 9mm version is relatively easy to find. The other calibers are almost nonexistent; I did find a couple of .40 S&W here in Florida, but the dealers want a premium price. The caliber/grip flexibility is nice-but not very practical for the private gun owner here in the USA. As such, I recommend buying the “whole gun” that you really want…..the upgrade grips and caliber change-outs are very expensive (you could almost buy another gun). SIGARMS got cheap on one point, as they ship the new P250 with only one magazine. SIG branded mags for the P250 were about $45 in one of our gun shops. You have to factor this in if you are comparing the P250 to a weapon that comes with 2 mags.

    All in all, the P250 lives up to the SIG name and standard of superior quality, innovation and function. It is a great gun at a good price and you should not be disappointed.

  • JOE

    I am a big European Sig/SigSauer fan. Disappointed However with my Sig Pro. Do not find it well balanced but I do find it controls recoil well. Now looking for a new Polymer 9MM and considering the Beretta PX4, Heckler & Koch P30 & P2000 as well as the P250 and would be interested in hearing more comparison on balance and recoil if posible.

  • Tim

    UPDATE: As it relates to my entry on 18 October, I have had some recent problems with my P250. These center around the trigger not fully engaging the action after firing. The problem occurred intermittently and frequently. I contacted SIG Customer Service and they took a report and sent me an overnight UPS label to return the gun to the factory. I did so, and was pleasantly surprised to see the gun returned to me 4 days later. The gunsmith replaced a trigger spring and the grip module. I eagerly test fired the gun that weekend (using 2 brands of ammo) and in going through 4 full mags, I had 3 instances of the same malfunction.. This was better that pre-repair, but still not right. I’ve sent the gun back to SIG a second time and now await its return. As a note, the first rep I spoke with said he had seen some P250’s returned with issues similar to mine, the second rep told me he was aware with any problems involving this new platform……we’ll see what happens next, the ball’s in SIG’s court. SIG has always been a reputable company, and I have no reason to think that they will follow through with whatever needs to be done to make this right.

    In a nutshell, you might want to do a little research on this trigger issue before buying the P250. It’s a brand new platform for 2008 and very early in the game. Maybe my gun is an exception, maybe not…….

  • Don

    I appreciate everyone’s input regarding the Sig P 250. I am having the same problems with misfires. I have had my Sig for a couple of months now and I have shot at least 600 rds. I was shooting Winchester “white box” ammo with as much as 20% misfires where I had to pull the trigger on the bullet 2 -3 times to get it to fire. I did eject some of them to see if I could determine why and it looked like a “soft” strike with the firing pin.
    The dealer where I bought it said it was the ammo’s problem. I have tried 4 different brands of ammo with the same problems. One brand of ammo actually did not eject and had to be pried out of the chamber.

    Remington had the fewest misfires of all.

  • Tim

    Don:

    I’m curious….did your P250 misfire with a complete cycle of the action ( ie.- pull trigger, hammer pulls back, releases and strikes firing pin)? Mu misfires had nothing to do with ammo, as when this occurred the hammer was not actuated nor the firing pin struck.

    If your misfires occurred with the hammer striking the pin, then this is a different problem that what I have experienced. When the pin on my gun is struck by the hammer, it fires and cycles/ejects every time. It’s just getting that damn trigger to engage the hammer consistently that is the problem with my P250. Still waiting on it to come back from SIG.

    If you are having the same problem with multiple brands of factory ammo, it IS NOT an ammo problem, it is a gun problem. Your dealer needs to go back and retake Gunsmithing 101 or maybe get out of the gun business altogether, because he obviously doesn’t have a clue (or maybe just does not want to be bothered with your problem). My advice is to deal with SIG directly. Their customer service # is in your user’s manual and also on their website.

  • Don

    when I have the gun broke down and watch the trigger actuate it appears that the hammer falls before the trigger gets all the way back

    …and I am calling Sig now

    Thanks

    Don

  • TomS – NH

    I was at Sig Sauer Academy this weekend for the Practical Handgun Skills training class and use a P250 in 9mm with a medium and then a large grip. I had several “misfires” with frangible 9mm which the trainer referred to as light strikes. He indicated they had a few of the original P250s and that this was happening with them occasionally. I shot 250 rounds and probably had about 10 light strikes. In my opinion that’s 10 too many.

    The mixed blessing was that almost every time I encountered a light strike the barrel of my gun was moving and therefore I realized my trigger press wasn’t good. Yes, I’m a beginner.

    BTW, I highly recommend the Sig Sauer classes for anyone in or visiting NH. After two 8 hour classes I feel I’m a trained and responsible citizen ready to exercise my 2nd amendment rights!

  • Tim

    Update on my P250-9. After two returns to the factory for misfires, the problem happened yet again. I spoke with a nice guy in SIG’s Customer Service and he asked that I return the gun once more. After about a week, I checked back with them and found out that SIG is going to replace the weapon altogether.

    I’m still waiting on the “new” P250 and I hope it works better than my first one. My concern is it sounds like there are others having similar problems, which could possibly indicate an issue with the entire P250 platform……I hope this is not the case, but I guess time will tell.

  • Kate

    I took my conceal and carry class last weekend. The night before the class I picked up a Sig P250 at a gun show. With no new ammo in sight, I took the old 9mm ammo from our gun cabinet here and had the worst case of misfires. I was pretty disgusted. I’ve never had a gun misfire 50 percent of the time (25 times on 50 rnds). My instructor cleared the weapon and checked the ammo after the first incident and found the light strikes on the shell casing. This is a factory refurbished gun with the tape around the grip, the red plastic case, the whole nine yards. Maybe I got Tim’s old gun. I actually had better scores with the Ruger LCP .380 since it at least fired consistently (not one misfire on 100 rnds) even at 50 feet though with the weak hand I noticed it has a kick to the right on recoil. At the end of the class, I had a chance to retake the headshot portion with my P250, and ride out the misfires. The accuracy was amazing, but it took 10 trigger pulls to fire those last 4 rounds.

  • Tim

    It’s so unfortunate to hear about Kate’s experience……unfortunately this story is sounding all too familiar. After 3 weeks, I have still not received my replacement P250 from SIG…..they claim they do not yet have a P250 available to ship. If I don’t get an answer soon, I’m going to try one more time to get a manager at SIG in New Hampshire. I may have to get legal if that doesn’t work, but I hope it won’t come to that.

    For all of those considering a P250, I’d have to suggest you give this gun a little more time to see where all of this problem with misfires ends up. I suspect that given the number of people with the same problem in new guns that there is quite likely a problem with this new U.S. built platform that has been out for less than a year. Stick with a German or Swiss made SIG model and you won’t be disappointed. Right now it appears that the P250 isn’t fit to wear the SIG logo.

  • Amir

    Don’t understand why everyone talks bad about the Sig P250. I’ve owned mine for about 4 months now and I must agree the stiffer trigger is definitely going to take some time getting use to(much different that my p226).. In regards to misfires….not even one. 200 rounds was put through it one the first day and all were flawless. (115g JHP Sellier and Bellot was the ammo used). Reading all the comments does make it seem that the P250 is a bad gun, i don’t believe so. Of course there are several other popular brands in the same price range that offer quality pistols, but if your looking for a reasonable price on a Sig, go for the P250. As to the constant misfires thats commented, it may very well be a defective batch or where u got the gun initially, no?

  • P250User

    I have fired about 7400 rounds through my 9mm P250 and have experienced the light strike issue referred to in the earlier posts. Winchester primed rounds seemed to have the highest failure rate. I am now having great results with Federal primers. I use Federal Hydro Shock as my personal protection loads and reload Moly coated lead practice rounds with Federal Primers in bulk.

  • Don

    I read Kate’s problem and it sounded exactly like how my Sig P250 was doing at first. The more I shot the less sensitive it became to the ammo I used. It started out as 8% – 20% misfires and now I have none with Independence brand. I have retried several ammo brands and Winchester “white box” still gives me trouble. Independence brand is the best 9mm (for me)so far. It seems to be loaded accurately —maybe not match grade but no “hot” loads. I also learned I need to keep that P250 very clean and the rails seem to like a little more than a drop of oil when cleaning.

  • D.J.

    I have had my p250 40 S&W for a week now and have put 300rd through it and have not had one single problem maby it has something to do with the 9mm???

  • Ryno

    I just ordered my P-250 but after reading all the comments I think I have come to the understanding that all the issues are with the 9mm- I ordered the 40, so I hope I dont have any issues but if I do…I’ll just return it to my local dealer to which I ordered it from…seems like the sensible thing to do after so many times sending it back to the factory…wouldn’t you say?

  • john

    I picked up my P250 40 S&W yesterday, went to the range as soon as I picked it up, first Fully loaded magazine inserted would not chamber the first round, dumped half the rounds out of magazine and it jammed every two to three shots. (Jammed meaning bullet went half way into barrel and locked solid) To fix the problem had to drop magazine, lock slide to the rear and use fingernail to pull rim of bullet out of barrel and drop it down the magazine well. Took to certified gunsmith he said P250 and 9mm have has problems like this before and that it is a new platform for SIG that has not had much field testing. He said to be prepared to send the gun back and forth to SIG until they work the kinks out.

  • Ryno

    Well there really isn’t any loss wether it jams or not. It is not non refundable or exchangable. Just gotta hope I you get one with no problems.There are quite a few comments that state theirs are working fine.I guess its wether you get lucky or not…kinda sucks it works that way but hey its not like you can’t pick somthing else out that is same quality, there are still good manufactures to look at H&k other SIG models, glock, even though I think glock looks like a cookie cutter gun, yet has had no problems its just not apealing to me at all. All guns do the job but there is still the intimidation factor. I rather my gun be intimidating enough not to use it (IF) a problem was to accure. Glocks just dont do anything for me. I will look in all other area’s making the Glock my last stop. What everyone needs to do is just check this gun out for themselves.

  • Tony

    I have a P250 .40 S&W and have had a couple of jams, mostly with chambering first round also. I need to try a couple of brands of ammo through to see if I can work around issue without sending back to SIG. I have only fired PMC Bronze line so far, I have some Winchester White box ready to fire.
    I actually tried P250 9mm over the weekend at range (it was a range gun), and it jammed again and again using UMC ammo. The gun was clean, but magazine rattled when loaded. The accuracy was terrible at 15 yrds, I totally missed target compared to my .40 where I hit center of head consistently.

    The impression I get is that the date of manufacture and the caliber are key, the newer the better. Sad to say, I would not trust this gun in a life-or-death situation, I keep my other weapon loaded for that!

  • Kent

    Hey all, I just purchased the P250 .40 compact two-tone. It shot very well for the first 200 rounds as Sigs always do. But following that I had 4 separate times in 13 shotswhere the empty shell did not get extracted. I also had 3 misfires throughout shooting. I checked the rounds that misfired and the firing pin had hit the round, but it was a “soft strike” each time. I took it to a Sig Armourer and he was rather surprised, but had no answer. We shot high quality duty ammo through it and the jams still occurred. He called our Sig regional sales rep and that’s where it stands. So this is definitely something about the Sig platform rather than the ammo.

  • Ryno

    After reading so many bad reviews on this gun on several sites I had to cancel my order for this gun. I just have no patience for sending things back and forth to the manufactuer or returning it to the place I would have bought it from. I have done some homework on the Springfield XD .45 acp compact and replaced my order with that. I wanted a .45 to begin with but the .45 sig was 50 something extra on a gun that already was close to seven hundred, while the Springfield is five seventy three and comes with a nice storing case belt holster which I probably won’t use considering I plan to buy the fobus paddle holster they feel great by the way, 2 clip belt holster and a reloader, all of that for 573.00 Sig cannot beat that. Anyway the XD45 sounds to be reliable and a great all around handgun for personal protection. I would have loved to own the SIG but I cannot trust my life to a gun that cannot perform especialy in a life or death situation. I will look at Sig again when I purchase another handgun. Hopefully they will have worked out the kinks.

  • Tim

    Well folks, I received my replacement (new) P250-9 from SIG, only after speaking with the Manager of Customer Service in NH. She was a very nice lady, apologized for the problems I’ve had and made no excuses. She has asked me to try the new gun out and to call or e-mail her personally if there are still issues. Time will tell, I have not shot the new gun as of yet.

    I have to admit, I’m still skeptical of the P250, maybe more so after reading that many others have had similar problems as well. This is certainly not typical of other SIGs I have owned and carried in the past….I have a P226 that has had literally thousands of rounds through it and still functions flawlessly and with deadly accuracy. I would (and do) trust my life to this gun. Similar experience with my P220.

    One concerning post here…..Ryno, no offense to you or anyone else, but please NEVER rely on any so-called “intimidation factor”. This misconception will get you killed. A sidearm is deadly force and should never be drawn on another person unless you are in a life-threatening situation and are ready to and capable of pulling the trigger and killing them at that instant without hesitation. A cracked-up or methed-up doper is intimidated by little or nothing and will not think twice about taking you out if they have half a mind to do so. As for Glocks, while they may not win a beauty contest, they are among the most reliable and durable handguns made–at any price. If the chips are down, I’d take a Glock anytime and twice on Sunday. If you want true reliability, Glock should be one of your first stops, not your last. Don’t take my word for it, just take the word of almost every major law enforcement agency in the U.S., including the FBI. Not to mention numerous military users worldwide. As of now, I can’t disagree with you opting out of the P250 until it has a better track record, or at least more of a track record.

    I’ll keep you guys posted on the new P-250, round two. Hopefully all will be good. Thank goodness for SIGs “Lifetime Warranty”….at least they stand behind it.

  • Ryno

    No offense taken at all, it is good to hear what others have to say. I know Glocks are very reliable, my sisters husband is with the police force here and would take one any day of the week. I am twenty three years old I have never shot anyone, although I will say growing up around my father, us being members of the NRA, him a life time member and die hard republican and useing an array of different firearms I am pretty confident in knowing how to fire a weapon and knowing the reprocutions of doing so. I am also learning everyday about Florida law and that if you pull the gun you better use it. Its illegal in FL to threaten anyone with a firearm. So I will be useing it if I pull it and I am very certain that I can and will protect myself and others if needed. I have not taken any courses as of yet on concealed carry so I am a novice when it comes to the laws. I do admit I have a slight flaw which would be I like to have something nice looking and performance comes 2nd when I look at a gun. Which is not good at all and I have recenlty fixed that. As stated above I did alot of home work on my replacement firearm the Springfield xd 45 acp compact. It is said that it has the quality features of the H&K Glock Sig sauer and the colt 1911 all in one sounds like the perfect gun to me. I also realize it is made in croatia. Now I have no other knowlege of other guns manufacturered by the croats but I am hearing very good things about this particular firearm. I would love to hear anyones constructive critisism if they care to do so. I am a novice so talking down to me isn’t going to earn you points here.

  • Neil

    Purchased my Sig p250 .45 ACP for $619 on 2/21 from a dealer at a local gun show (came with one mag and a lock). Took it to the range following day and first 36 rounds flawless. That is where the problems started, now with every mag I experience one or two rounds per mag that will not load and where the slide needs to be jiggered manually to close – or I have to manually eject the round by pulling the slide. I was using Independence brand of .45 fmj ammo, I shot a total of 100 rounds and experienced 20 to 25% failure to load next round consistently with each mag.

    I had read the reviews with the issues with the 9mm – but had hoped the release of the .45 ACP would be better – that I would be luckier than the rest. Foolish me.

    Sent an email to Sig and have not heard back yet – but in fairness it has only been a day.

    I went back to the range the next day after a thorough cleaning, purchased range ammo and experienced the same problem, First two mags, no issue, then 20 – 25% failure to load next round.

    I am going to change my ammo today and try 50 rounds of Hornady JHP that I didn’t purchase for range use as much more expensive – but perhaps better quality. So far I have 200 rounds through my new 250.

    I am going to try 50 more before I lose all hope that this is just a break-in issue not a defective design.

    Just thought you all should know.

    Neil

  • Kent

    Hey again,
    I recently got my Sig P250 .40 compact back from the armourer. The problems I had (posted above) were immediately corrected with the replacement of the extractor. The original extractor was visually defective. I put the two together and the original had a large area “shaved” off to where it would not extract or allow the shell to set correctly in the chamber. They actually replaced my extractor with one from the test gun the armourer had. I’ve shot 600+ rounds through the gun with no problems. I just ordered the shorter trigger assembly… so I’ll let you all know how that turns out too. Take care

  • Tim

    Update on my P250 saga:

    I sold my new replacement P250 prior to firing a shot, so I won’t be able to comment further on my P250 other than my miserable experience with the first one that was replaced under SIG’s warranty. Was fortunate to get my money out of the gun and extra mag. I took that money, plus a small sum, and bought a P239 in .40 S&W. The 239 functions flawlessly, like a SIG should. Probably something to do with the fact that the frame is stamped “Made in Germany”.

    No regrets now, I will continue to maintain that the Germans, Swiss and Austrians make the best automatic handguns, period. Don’t waste your hard-earned money on anything less.

    That said, you better get what you want now, before the moronic liberal we call “president” has his way and works further to change the “armed citizen” to the “unarmed peasant”…just another step on the road to socialism. Google “HR 45” if you want a little taste of what’s coming down the Democrat’s sewer.

    One last blurb….if you don’t belong to the NRA, JOIN NOW at http://www.nra.org. They are fighting the good fight to support your 2nd Amendment rights.

  • Ben

    I have about 500 rounds through my compact 9 p250. I’ve found it to be well balanced and accurate, the da trigger required some adjustment but the pull is smooth and fast follow up shots aren’t a problem. Finding holsters takes a little more work.

  • Mike

    I have a .40 sig 250, and had been experiencing jamming. Frequent jamming. Cleaned it, lubed it, changed ammunition to no avail. I bought two additional magazines. Guess what. The two new ones DID NOT FAIL. Put the original magazine in and low and behold, it failed! I threw it out, not wanting to go through the motions of sending it back etc. So those with feeding problems, try a new mag first. Hope this helps!

  • Ryno

    I just got my Springfield 45 acp. This gun is amazing it (is) the next Glock.
    This gun resembles a HnK, SIG, Glock, and the 1911. Springfield has a killer on deck. The Springfield comes with a great field box that carries two (2) thirteen round clips-were talking 13 rounds of 45 acp when most if not all carry 10 or 8. I will suggest this gun to anyone that is in the market for an amazing carry and home protection handgun. Read this article on this gun. This gun unlike the SIG 250 is still made in europe by the the Croations. No matter where you go on the internet this gun has nothing but praises. Shoots like a dream. And is ready to go to work outa the box. The Springfield Armory has a killer on deck and it is slaughtering the competition.

    HS2000 pistol has been developed by Croatian IM Metal company for Croatian army during late 1990s. Production of the 9mm HS2000 started in 1999, with the first pistols being delivered to the Croatian army the same year. In 2000 these pistols first appeared in the USA, initially imported under their original name. However, in late 2001 the Springfield Armory Company of Genseo, Illinois, became the sole importer of HS2000 pistols in USA. Springfield offers a slightly improved version of HS2000 as the Springfield XD (eXtreme Duty pistol), and by now these pistols (still made in Croatia) are available in a variety of sizes, calibers and finishes.
    After several years of aggressive sales, these pistols gained good reputation and serious following among American shooters, and by now several police departments in USA either issue these pistols on regular basis or approve them for personal purchase by police officers.

    The HS2000 is short-recoil operated, locked-breech pistol with a polymer frame. The barrel locks to the slide with a single large lug which engages the ejection port. Unlocking and locking is controlled by a cam-shaped lug which interacts with a steel insert pinned to the frame. If the insert becomes worn or damaged, any competent gunsmith can easily replace it. The dual return spring arrangement is of the captive type; when assembled, the front of a spring guide rod projects slightly forward from the front of the slide; Springfield advertising literature calls this a “muzzle protector”, but the original text of patent WO02059539, published in August 01, 2002 and granted to the Croatian design team, describes the reason for this feature as to “enable firing the bullet when the pistol is pushed towards someone’s back”. This is “necessary” because HS2000, as almost any other modern pistol, has a disconnector safety that does not permit the release of the striker if the slide is not fully closed and locked to the barrel, and such situation can be easily encountered in circumstances described in the quote. The trigger is single-action, also described in the advertising literature as Ultra Safety Assurance system. The pistol is striker fired, with the firing pin cocking indicator made in the form of a pin which protrudes from the rear of the slide when the gun is cocked. There are no manual safeties on the HS2000, but several automatic safeties are present, such as a firing pin block, a trigger safety and a grip safety. The sights are fixed, with the rear being dovetailed to the slide. Current production pistols also have an integral accessory rail on the frame, below the barrel; early production pistol had no such feature. The double-stack magazines are made of steel and hold 15 rounds of 9mm ammunition for original HS2000 pistols. Magazine release buttons are duplicated on either side of the frame, at the base of the trigger guard. Croatian military issue pistols have a black finish, while commercial pistols may have either black or a “military green” frame with a black or polished steel slide. Commercial models are also available in “Compact” and “Tactical” versions, with barrel lengths of 76mm (3 inch) or 127mm (5 inch) respectively, and in a variety of calibers.

    • Ryno, thanks for the review!

  • Tim

    Ryno:

    Thanks for the review of the Springfield. Enjoy your gun; glad you found a pistol you enjoy. In your description, you compare it to the Glock, H&K, and SIG. Duplication is the sincerest form of flattery; you cite the best guns in the world.

    I picked up a Walther PPS in .40 S&W this weekend (Made in Germany, not a US made S&W with Walther stamped on the slide). Truly a concealed carrier’s dream. Light, thin, balanced, easily concealed and the power punch of .40 to take care of business without the bulk. The Germans have done it again.

    All of this said, this is actually a SIG P250 blog…..need to keep the dialogue on subject. Mike, feeding was not the problem with my P250-9. The problem was in the action. New mags weren’t gonna help that gun (I tried). My experience with the new “American made” SIG P250 was less than a 10 (or 5 for that matter) as noted above. Buy a Swiss or German made SIG and get the “real McCoy”. It’s well worth the extra $100-200.

  • Ryno

    Hey Tim, I owned a Walther P99 I traded her in but is that a Smith & wesson manufactured Walther?- cause I had some fallouts with it.

  • sigp220

    If i get the p250 in .45 is it ca compliant? It has a 10 round magazine so i dont see why it wouldn’t be… somebody please help me, im still kinda new to guns 🙂

  • Neil

    Update.

    I love my p250c .45ACP! I think when I fully cleaned and lubricated I haven’t had any issues. As a recap, my first 150 rounds I experienced 20% failure with next round loading after ejection.

    Since my post, I have not had any failures.

    It is a joy to shoot, easy to clean and is the talk of the range since the .45 ACP was just released.

    This is a great pistol and I can’t wait to buy my first conversion to sub compact for ccw.

    The trigger is long – but feels right for a .45 because in my experience with the recoil, you reacquire the target as you reset the trigger. I could see the trigger reset being a bigger issue on a smaller round since there is less kick and barrel flip. So DAO IMO works great on the .45 sig p250.

    My groupings have been great out to 25 yards – and I really enjoy getting to know this Sig.

    If I have issues, I will post a follow up review.

    Hope you all are well!

    Neil

  • Chad

    I ordered a P250 in the .357sig. Has anyone shot one or heard of anyone who has? I can’t find anything on it.

  • Andrew

    I first got a P250c 9mm just over a year ago, it has been fantastic, I have put well over 1000 rounds through it without ever having a single problem, it has a great trigger action (very smooth) and good grouping.

    I decided I wanted a .45 and thought I would go with another P250 this time in Full Size .45ACP. Everyone at my gun range was very excited to see the gun when it arrived and we immediately went to shoot it, from the very first round and for the next 100+ rounds it had a failure to load the next round about 20% of the time (although interestingly round 4,5,6 of 10 almost always loaded). It would also never even try to load the very last round (always left in the mag).

    This has been sent back to Sig and here I am 3 weeks later still without any information, from reading the comments above it appears that there is definitely an issue, but maybe it is mag related, if so, why have I not yet received the weapon back with just a new mag. Sig are going down in my estimation for their handling of this, are folks experiencing the issue with all calibers?

  • Tim

    Ryno:

    My understanding on the P99 is that it is a German-made gun. Best way to tell on these is to simply read the frame. The German-made weapons will have this on the frame…..this is true for SIG as well. Be aware that the modern company “SIG/Sauer” is actually a merger between the Swiss company “SIG” (translation “Swiss Industrial Group”) and the German-based Sauer Brothers AG. Hence the name “SIG/Sauer”. Some of the earlier SIG Sauers will have receivers stamped “Made in Switzerland”. Nothing wrong with that. Swiss precision is just as good as German in my book.

    Note that S&W has the importer’s license to bring Walther into the US. As such, these guns will bear the name “Smith & Wesson” somewhere on the receiver because of BATF rules.

  • Tim

    Chad:

    Based on this blog (you can read it for yourself), I’d cancel the P250 order if I was you. If you like .357 SIG, go for another SIG model or consider a Glock.

    I think it’s safe to say that for right now, the P250 needs to go back to the drawing board. Maybe they will get the kinks out of it eventually. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see a recall, especially if the problems continue.

  • I’ve had no problems with my 40 cal in over 250 rounds. My friend had 1 jam but I saw that he had thumbed the mag release before releasing the slide-resulting in the jam. I’ve also used federal american eagle target (101 rounds), winchester usa (100 rounds) and the SXZ fmj (50) and jhp’s (13) with no problems. I also had the short trigger installed but have yet to try it. Hopefully I wont experience any issues. I was surprised by hown much muzzle jump there is in the 40. I think the frame is a little too light to compensate for the action. I added an STL900l tactical light to weigh down the front a bit, plus I use it as my HD weapon anyway.

  • Don

    I have been reading the P250 responses since I first bought mine and it was very particular which ammo I used. (9mm) The more I shot it the better it performed. It took over 2000 rounds to get it to this state. I called Sig Sauer and they told me to shoot it! Run a few thousand rounds through it and see if it perfroms better and it did. The only ammo that consistently misfires is Winchester ‘white box’ The dealer where I bought it said Winchester had a hard primer. The only other thing I did was to generously lube the rails of the operating slide with Hoppe’s gun oil and just wipe off excess oil by running a Q-tip down the slide. It performs much better than before and I am actually starting to like it.

  • Tim

    Wow, Don. You are much more forgiving than me (and many others) when it comes to the P250.

    When I shell out my hard earned $$$ for a weapon, I expect and demand that it functions as designed every time, without fail. This is why I will buy only quality weapons from reputable manufacturers, like SIG/Sauer. I frequently use smaller sidearms such as the P250 for concealed carry, therefore there is no room for screw-ups or malfunctions.

    As far as I’m concerned, any modern firearm should fire and cycle any appropriate caliber, commercially-manufactured ammunition that is loaded to SAAMI or military specs. Having to pick and choose ammo based on brands that will “work or not work” is just not acceptable, nor is a weapon that requires undue or extra lubrication or other tweaking. If your a weekend “plinker”, maybe this is not as critical. If you carry for defense or duty, the results of a malfunctioning weapon can be devastating.

    In light of what so many people have expressed about problems with the P250, I truly believe SIG should consider a recall of this model before someone gets hurt or killed as a result of the malfunctions described.

  • I’VE HAD MY 250 FOR ABOUT 6 MONTHS. SHOT OVER 500 ROUNDS OF ASSORTED BRANDS OF 9MM THROUGH IT WITHOUT A HICCUP. ACCURACY, RELIABILITY ARE BEYOND COMPARE. THIS IS A GREAT GUN. I WOULD RECOMMEND IT TO EVERYONE.

  • patrick

    sig p250 is the most fustrating gun i have ever known, multiple malfunction with jamming, seems like a feed problem, also jacket of bullet gets caught on the introduction of barrel. twice retured to sig and now in the mail as we speak for the third time-regreting my purchase witha sour taste in my mouth.

  • Don B. – VA

    Hey, People.

    I was thinking of ordering a 9mm P250 compact, to keep my Glock 26 and Browning Hi-Power company.

    After reading your reviews, I’m going to wait for a while. It generally sounds like this model still has some bugs to work out.

    It may be ok for target shooting…just clear it and shoot it. But since I use both of my nines at different times as concealed carry weapons, I can’t afford even one misfire.

    All kidding aside, I’ve NEVER had a FTF, FTE, or a light strike, with either weapon. I’d trust both of these pistols with my life. Unfortunately, it doesn’t sound like the P250’s there yet.

  • I took my new Sig Sauer P250 in .40 today to the range. I shot 200 rounds of white box Winchester through it. It performed flawlessly. It was built April 11th 2009 according to the paperwork on the box. I did 13 rds in each of my 3 clips that came with it and no problems. I then procedded to rotate clips and fired several times in a rapid fire fashion. Never any problems. I think some of these guys with previous posts got a lemon or something else going on. Even the best products in the world have their lemons. I would recommend the Sig P250 .40 to my friends or family.

  • BTW, I usually target and test with Speer Lawman 165 grn jacketed ammo. I decided to use the Winchester 165 grain FMJ today that looks exactly like my Speer Lawman and the Win was $31 for 100rd white box at Wal Mart. I did this as a personal test since some guys here said it was failing from light strikes above. I also took my Glock 23 .40 to the range at the same time. The Sig is more comfortable. The Glock was slightly more accurate right out of the box. Both were unfired until today. I don’t believe everything I read on the internet anyway. Buy a Sig P250 if you want one. I am impressed with mine so far. NO Problems today with my intent to abuse it at the range and it responded and performed flawlessly!

  • Jim

    I too own a new P250 in 40 S&W. It’s the eighth Sig in my stable. When I got it, it was the replace a P239 in 9mm. (I still have a P239 in 40 S&W. ) I took it to the range and had way to many jams in the beast. I was using ammo that I had reloaded for IDPA competition. Reloads that worked in my other Sig’s. I figured it must be the guns newness. After cleaning and oiling the functioning didn’t change. I then began a process of increasing my charge and reviewing my spec’s. I finally had to review my entire reloading process. I adjusted the OAL, crimp, and charge. Now it runs great. When I originally had the trouble I ran a box of UMC through it. They ran flawlessly. As did Winchester Ranger. This made me look at my reloads. I’m glad I did. Now I have a carry gun I can stake my life on. I don’t carry reloads when I carry. I presently have about 400 rounds through it. I will reafirm my findings this week with another trip to the range.

  • Tim

    Good to hear that maybe there are some “OK” P250’s out there. I still wouldn’t bet MY behind on one, only based on the experience I had with my 9mm. As to Neil’s comments, reloads are one thing (BTW, don’t tell Sig you shot reloads or you can use your warranty for TP), but again I assert that any modern handgun should function flawlessly with any commercially loaded, SAAMI spec ammunition without fail. Anything else is just not acceptable and potentially dangerous.

    As I no longer own a P250, I’m basically done with this blog. Suffice it to say that my best advice on this gun is “caveat emptor”….I’m not the only one that had problems with this platform, and I’d like to think I know what I’m talking about after earning sidearm expert decoration in the military and over 10 years in forensics and law enforcement.

    Also, for all you true “old time” SIG enthusiasts out there, SIG had an overrun of the infamous P228 in 9mm for a German military contract earlier this year. These guns were all completely MADE IN GERMANY (not just the frame) and were packaged with 13 round mags. SIGARMS in NH imported a bunch of these from Germany and they are around in limited numbers…..look on Gunbroker or ask your favorite dealer. I picked one up last week and took it to the range. If you shoot one, you’ll know what a SIG should be. This one is flawless and dead-on. They probably won’t last long, as they have not been imported for over 5 years and are no longer made for commercial sale and are therefore very desirable to the true SIG aficionado. If you truly want a legendary European SIG and can live with 9mm, I’d strongly recommend spending another $150 or so and getting the “real McCoy”.

  • Jim

    I’m back from the range an all is well. My latest load worked, and to my surprise, so did my lighter load. Everything worked fine. I shot about 70 rounds and the gun functioned as designed. My confidence level is growing. After reading comments on this blog I was worried, but now I think I have a keeper. I’m putting my Glock 23 on the block. I think Glocks are a great functioning machine, but they just don’t fit my hand. I bought it because of it’s reliability in spite of the fit. Afterall, it’s only a ‘car gun’. My new P250 will replace it and I will use it in IDPA matches along with my P229 Elite.

  • By the “white box” you guys are talking about the ammo that they sell at Wal-Mart are reloads? I didn’t know that. I just saw it was affordable and same grain as my more expensive ammo and comes in a white Winchester box. That’s why I chose it to use at the range. I wonder if we are talking about the same kind of ammo? Anyone have a link to a “white box” picture? What is stamped on the back of the casing..Any particular ID? Thanks

  • Tim

    Hey Everyone (esp. Neil):

    Just for clarification, “white box” Winchester is not “reload” ammo. It is a no-frills, FMJ, target grade ammo that is commercially loaded by Winchester. Think of it as a “generic” ammo, if nothing else. It is loaded according to SAAMI specs, and is perfectly reasonable to use in a range or target-shooting setting. Probably not what you want to carry as a duty or defense load, but that is not the purpose for which it is manufactured. Just FYI, most retailers will not sell “reloads” (ie. ammunition loaded into previously fired brass casings) due to the liability associated with this practice. Ammunition of this type should be clearly labeled as such.

  • Nathan

    My first handgun a beautiful compact p 250 40 s&w. I had to wait 4 days before I could pick it up because I had to work and then had to wait a few more before I could take it out. I loaded my one clip that came with it pulled the trigger and wow! I was in love. I pulled the trigger a second time…. Nothing. It jammed. I pulled back on the slide, removed the jammed cartridge and pulled the trigger. I was in love again. Then it jammed every otherr cartridge until I emptied the mag. I reloaded with a wolf 40 s&w fmj and had no problems. But when I loaded with lawman tmj 40 s&w it jammed constantly. I figured it’s a brand new pistol so maybe it’s touchy and dosent like the lawman. I never thought that I would be blogging about my new p250 negativly the first time I shot it but after reading all of these blogs most saying the same thing, I’m fearffull I have made a mistake with my first choice in home protection. I really hope I’m wrong

  • Jim

    I had much the same problem. I tried many different loads. All with the same outcome. Then all of a sudden it worked. It shoots everything I feed it and wants more. I too was disapointed when I got it to the range. All my other Sig’s shot right out of the box with flawless precison. This one was different. Now that I have about 400 rounds through it, it to is flawless. The difference that I see between our guns is I started shooting reloaded ammo, as I am a IDPA shooter and we can’t afford to use store-bought ammo. My loads are at the lower end of the reloading spectum. When I ran the UMC, which is Remingtons “white Box”, I had no issues. I can’t tell you when it happened. It just started shooting everything.

  • I guess I am lucky compared to some of you I bought a Sig 250C with the digital camo frame and it just feeds and ejects every ammo I have tried so far not one jam yet. I have about 500++Rds throught the pistol and find it easy to get good accuracy with and really like the pistol overall my favortive Sig so far. I am thinking of buying another 250 the tactical model with threaded barrel next week or two.

  • Jim

    Great Cody! My P250 is now as yours is. Everything I feed it goes bang. Even the stuff that originally jammed it. I bought hte compact because the sub-compack was delayed until August and my gun-buy fix needed to be satisfied. I was even entertaining a Glock 27. Now I’m waiting for the sub-compack. By August I’ll get the shakes again.

  • Nathan

    Well since my last post I have done a lot of research. I was concerned that their might be something seriously wrong with my sig P 250 40 s&w. I’m new to guns this is my 1st one. So when someone at the local gun shop asked me if I has cleaned my gun? I said no it’s brand new it had never been shot . Well be barked back over the phone you have to clean your gun before you shoot it. So I did. I took it apart and gave it a good cleaning I took it out for a second time and it shot everything even the stuff that was jamming like crazy the first time out. So for all of you nwwbies that are reading these blogs worried that you bought a dud, clean your guns. It just night cure what ails you. I am in love again !!!!!

  • Jim

    I had much the same experience. I shot is without cleaning and had the same results you did. I took it home and cleaned and oiled it and only lessened the trouble. I not sure when it was was it just started to shoot. Now it shoots everthing, even the rounds that it used to puke over. This one is my eighth Sig and I never had these problems. All my other Sig’s were flawless with no brake in period. Good luck.

  • Jason

    I had great experiences at first. Then I started experiencing the jamming and FTE problems with my 9mm 250. I read up, looked it over, panicked, wondered if I should have gone with a Glock or XD…..blah blah blah. I contacted Sig and someone got back to me. I did two things. One, I stopped shooting the Blazer ammo. Apparently, this type of ammo has a little coating that gums up the chamber. Then I cleaned the gun with special attention to the chamber and extractor. I took it to the range and shot the Blazer again (it was all the range lets you shoot) and had more issues. I switched to Speer Gold Dot 115gr and 124gr (shhhhhhh….don’t tell anyone) and had no problems. Went outdoors and shot up some Winchester and PMC ammo. No problems. I think the chamber, the extractor, the angle of the magazine, the tolerances on the parts that have to come together, and the ammo used are all contributing factors to things that could go wrong. But a clean working model with good ammo seems to do the job. I would definitely shake it down if you buy conversions before you carried it.

    Overall, I am happy with it. I love the fact I can practice my trigger pull as many times as I want and every pull is exactly the same. I love the fact you can visually inspect and remove any part easily except the firing pin. I love the fact that the trigger pull is long enough to make an accidental discharge less likely. Dry fire practice is important…. I also like the capacity, the price, and the night sites. I believe after a few more range days of no misfires or FTEs I will forget the experiences of the past. I hope that someday I can be sure…..but I guess some guns need a “shake down” period. If it messes up again it is a goner. I agree with all of you. Tim….for getting rid of it. And all the others for sticking with it because it treated you right. It does seem that other manufacturer’s guns seem to be treating more people right….right out of the box. The day the Sig P250 can always fire ANY round, ANY caliber, ANY Frame, and ANY assembly…….THEN it will earn the reputation that Glock seems to have. We are all just beta testers of their concept.

  • a468

    I am one with Tim and of the many owners let down by the new Sig P250. I believe their foray into the polymer market is a bust with this crap. Twice a round exploded in the gun. And twice the EXTRACTOR flew off in two different times… Now, I have had loads explod in the gun before with my Steyr M9 but never has the extractor flown off… The funny thing is I used the same ammo as my friends in the range use. They have M&P, Glock, Taurus,CZ all polymers..But its only the Sig P250 that was choosey with reloaded ammo’s not only that the triggers takes like forever to press much like a revolver..I should have bought a German made gun..As I understand this is their first polymer gun..It will never live up to its steel brothers 226,228,220 etc..Its the stain in Sig Sauers armor…Im so disappointed with this gun, Im thinking of getting a G19 or G23 as a replacement..

    Good Riddance…

  • ryan

    same problem with a468 the bullets exploded inside and the extractor flew off twice. if it where a life threatening situation i’d be dead by now. im really disappointed with my gun. sig sauer should consider pulling out the p250 line. very very disappointing

  • Ratfink

    I am considering a Sig P250 .40 S&W, a buddy has it for a price that I can’t pass up, I have always liked Sigs but never had one. He is selling it because he wanted a Glock .45 cal instead and got one. I normally shoot 1911 .45 cal or Ruger P85 9mm and reload for both. Looking at the reload specks on the .40 cal there is a warning comment that says, “Do not use reloads in Glock or similar guns with chambers that do not fully support the cartridge due to the intrusion of the feed ramp. It can result in case rupture.” I am going to Sig next week to verify but just looking for input on blogs anyone have info on the chambering of the Sig P250.

  • Tim

    Ratfink:

    If you read much of the feedback on this blog regarding the P250, you will quickly realize why you may be able to get this gun at such a bargain. In many prior P250 owner’s opinions (mine included), your chambering concerns are fluff compared to the issues with the P250 platform in general. Caveat emptor.

  • Jim

    I’m a IDPA range officer at our local gun club. I own seven SIG’s includiong a P250 in 40 S&W. I have had no mishaps with the chamber so far. However, the gun took me several hundred rounds before break-in was achieved. No new gun manufacturer advises reloaded ammo. Since you are a reloader you should already know the protential problems you might face. At todays match I had a case rupture in a Glock 34. It blew the back of the case clean off. I was standing next to the shooter when it happened. I believe the cause was a double load of powder. When the round was fired there was a noticable increase in report and recoil. It even blew the mag out of the gun. After pulling the rest of the case out of the gun the shooter completed the course of fire. Modern guns are stout. Sigs are great guns too. Good luck in your search for anwsers.

    Keep your powder dry.
    Jim

  • Sig P250 is a fine weapon. I have shot hundreds of rounds through my .40cal P250 without any problems. Seems like the problems guys are with 9mm guns with reloads. Maybe you guys should rethink your reloading or use a better primer? I have left my Glock 23 at home and now carrying my P250.

  • Jim

    I sold my Glock 23, and it was only months old. Glock just don’t have the ergonomics for me. My P250 shoots great now. Everything I put in it runs. I have just purchased a M&P Compact in 40 S&W as a carry gun. Not that I haven’t or won’t carry the 250, it’s just a size concern. The bigger 250 won’t fit in what I what to carry it in. The Smith will. Anyone thinking of a Glock should take a long look at a M&P. They are more ergo friendly and all American. My little guy shoots so well I may be buying another larger one for competition.
    “Peace through superior firepower.”

  • Tim

    Relative to Troy’s comment, I will say that I can’t speak for anyone else, but the problems with my P250-9 were not related to reloads….all factory ammo and none of it (3 brands) functioned properly. While the 9mm and .40 S&W are different calibers, I think there is more than enough experience on this blog (and other sources) that illustrate that the P250 platform has had issues. That fact was validated to me by a SIG rep in NH. If your experience is different, then I would consider you more lucky than the gun perfect.

    I personally would never trust my life to any weapon that requires “break in” (whatever that means) or is persnickety about any appropriate-caliber factory ammo. In 2009, that is simply unacceptable. Take it for what it’s worth, but I have 10 years of LE experience and a small arms expert ribbon from the Air Force with 8 years of military service. As such, I would humbly consider myself credible. I still own several SIGs, just not a P250.

    I’d be curious to know just how many LE agencies or military organizations have adopted the P250…….while I don’t know the exact number, I suspect it’s a pretty short list (if it’s a list at all).

  • Jim

    To support Tim. Even with my P250 functioning as designed now. I have never had a SIG need break-in. All of my other SIG’s were fawless from day one. If I had to take one and run with it wouldn’t be the P250. I have so many Sig’s that I almost want to make excuses for the gun, but I can’t. If I carry a Sig now it would be my SAS. Just to make things straight. I bought the SAS in DAK and had it converted to DA/SA with the short trigger reset. I also have Tue-glo day-night sites. I never liked the DAK. The triger on the P250 is a better pull to my ergonomics. Thats the reason I bought it. It pionts well and the trigger, albeit long, was fine.

  • Tolga

    I wish this blogs were here before I purchased my P250 9mm almost a year ago. I purchased my P250 at a shooting range brand new out of the box. The first 80 rounds was great, I was in the groove and then all of sudden it jammed and would not release after shot. Tried a few more rounds and the same thing happened. It would not release the shell after shot. Sent it back to Sig and they replaced the EXTRACTOR. Shot another 100 rounds and it was happening again but not as much. Still was annoying enough for me to send it back again. After a couple of weeks they sent it back saying no malfuntions. I tried different ammo this time it was not loading. It was getting stuck as soon as I released it to arm. It was happening to often. Sent it back to Sig again. They told me they shot 100 rounds with no malfunctions. They used Magtech 9mm luger 115gr FMC. I purchased the same ammo today did not shoot it yet but tested the loading feature and so far it is working (loading into chamber). Let us see if it extracts the shell after fire. I do think that they have a problem and are not sure what exactly it is, but for the people who are happy with their P250 you should be considered lucky and I am happy for those who are satisfied with their P250. As I read through all the blog that there are more dissatisfied users than happy users. I hope mine works because I do like the gun but it is forcing me to get rid of it entirely. Good luck to all.

  • Jim

    Since you have read the comments on this site you will know that my problems went away around 400 rounds. I was considering a sub compact purchase when I bought the compact version. I am now he proud owner of an M&P compact in 40. It fired first time every time. I own seven other Sig’s and they were all fawless. Had I read this blog first I would have one less dust collector in my safe. I was told by a Sig dealer that the P250 was intro’d in Europe four years ago and is a proven design. I beg to differ with him after reading all the negative comments. Good luck with yours. I have alway worried when someone told me they had someting that was ‘all things to all people.’ I’m still worried.

  • Rob

    I have returned my P250 40 Cal. three times for jamming problem. It was received at Sig Sauer 7/28/2009. I was told over two weeks ago that I would receive a replacement. That was after several unreturned emails and no returned phone calls from customer service.

    Again, the customer service rep refuses to return my inquiries as to when the replacement is to be shipped. I have talked to his boss who stated that the gun was to be shipped 8/20 or 8/21. When I asked for a tracking number, I got no response.

    Sig Sauer would do well to monitor their customer service..

  • Aaron

    I so wished I would have found this Blog before I bought my P250 .45 Compact. I’ve had the same problems that several people have had with Failure to Feed. I used 4 different factory ammo, still consistent in failure to feed.

    My frustration was worsened when I called Sig and the Customer Service Rep insisted that the serial number I was giving him was not to a Sig Sauer firearm. I took it back to the dealer so that they could deal with Sig.

    My wife bought a Springfield XD 9 subcompact for concealed carry, and it’s a great weapon right out of the box. As soon as I get my P250 back, I’m trading it in, as I don’t think I would feel comfortable carrying it.

  • Jim

    My P250 Compact in 40 S&W jamed for the first 400 rounds. Then it shot fine. I presently have it at my local gun store on consignment. I bought a S&W Compact in 40 to replace it. I liked the S&W so much that I bought another today for IDPA competition. The P250 isn’t near what my other six SIG’s are. I’m going with the Smith’s for comp and carry. My other Sig’s are great guns, but the Smith’s are lighter and faster. Good luck with yours.

  • JEM

    I bought my P250 9mm in August and LOVE IT! I have put nearly 1000 rounds through it in just the past month. I have only had about 4 miss fires, or as some have described it- the shells got wedged, but that was after 500 rounds without cleaning it ( shot over 2 days). After cleaning it, no issues. What I am curious about is Why can’t I find a Sub Compact Grip for my weapon? If it is interchangeable, why don’t they have it available? Has any females tried the gun with the standard trigger and then the short trigger? I have smaller hands and would like to know from someone who has used both how they feel (better /worse, indifferent).

  • I have a smaller grip/frame I am not going to use JEM. It is the factory Sig piece made for the P250. If you are interested I will take $38.00 + ship. my email: shooterpcb@yahoo.com

  • Winchester .45 White Box ammo is currently having a very large percentage of misfires (20%). Have used this ammo for over 15
    years with flawless performance. They may have changed primers
    to save money…or their 24/7 production schedule. Whatever, they need to address this issue. I tried to contact them but you have to write a
    letter….forget it……I switched to Federal.

  • Eddie, I think you are experiencing the same light primer strike issue that is a well documented P250 issue in other forums. I had numerous 9mm WWB misfires and my Winchester primed reloads performed in a similar fashion. I now reload with Federal Primers and carry factory Federal as a personal protection round. I have fired about 4500 rounds with Federal without a single failure. It seems to be a much softer primer. -Rich

  • Bob

    I have a new P250. Not shot it much yet. First time shot, had shell casings eject onto my head, more than once. Returned it to Sig. They tested it with the Magtech 9mm listed in comments above, reporting no problems.
    Have not shot it since it returned. Has anyone else had this problem? Is it something I’m doing wrong? Don’t have this problem with my XD40. Thanks for any ideas you might have

  • Jonathan

    Hey guys,

    I’m a little surprised to hear all of the bad reviews of the P250. I’ve heard bad reports before, but most (2/3 at least) have been positive. I haven’t shot that much myself so I’m definitely no expert, but if anyone visits the Sig P250 Owners Forum (www.p250sig.com), they will find more info both positive and negative about the P250. Just an FYI in case anyone wants more info.

  • Jim

    Well the latest chapter in my P250 saga. I had it at my gun store on consignment. I took it there in September and picked it up yesterday. No bites. I guess people have been reading this blog.

    I plan on shooting it to see if it still shoots everything. I’ll let you know.

    I have heard that Sig is redesigning the gun to a striker fired piece, Glockesque. I heard they are concerned about Smith and Glock patents. The article went on to say that if the new prototype works that the current P250 will be dropped. I guess that means we’ll be stuck with a white elephant like the Colt double Eagle, if anyone remember that one.

  • Jim

    I just finished my shoot. The P250 in 40 was fawless. Everytime I think I want to sell it, it shoot it and reconsider.

  • Eric

    Hi All,

    First time on the forum here. I’m not a gun owner but looking at getting something for home self defense. I’ve done a decent amount of reading, and I came to the conclusion that a DAO might be best for home defense for a novice such as myself (let alone my wife in the case she had to use it). I kind of wanted to get something American made. Not sure why to be honest, as most seem to think the quality of the European guns is better and I have no problems buying foreign products of other types like cars and such. I guess it just feels right to buy an American gun. Anyway, the P250 is actually made in the U.S., right?

    So after reading about different calibers I tentatively decided on a .40 round. So the combination of DAO, .40, and made in the U.S. brought me to the P250. I did a google search to learn about pricing expectations, and found this forum. I’m really having mixed feelings after reading the reviews. Some make it sound like a great gun, as long as you clean it, with the possible exception of early production models. Others give it a bad rap. I’m sure both groups are honest in their experiences. I’m leaning towards going with it, with the assumption that most of the problems were due to either early model production woes or improper maintenance/cleaning or whatever. For those here who would urge me not to, I ask, do you have a better recommendation for a novice looking for home protection in a quality .40 DAO without breaking the bank?

    Thanks

  • Jim

    Well eris, welcome to the world of firearms. I presently own seven Sigs. One is a P250. I was one that had trouble at first. The same jamming issues that the rest of the “bad reviews” game from. Then the problem just vanished. Now it shoots flawlessly. The long double action of the P250 make it a bit better for the novice. In that the nervous finger in a ‘hot blood’ situation might prevent acidental discharge. I use mine for home defence. I have a light affixed to mine. You never know if a power failure is connected to a break in.

    The Sigs have the best ‘feel’ of any of the polymer guns. Glock are the most prolific, as they were the cheapest and first on the seen. I owned two and they areboth gone. Not that they weren’t bad guns, as their function was flawless. They were ergonomically unfriendly to me. My current carry gun is a M&P conpact in 40. The ergos are better, but not as good as the Sig. The trigger pull is more condusive to competition or a gun guy. To a novice I think the P250 is the way to go as I mentioned before the longer trigger is a safety in itself.

    The S&W is American too. The foreign guns and cars maybe manufactured in the US, but, I send my kids to schools to be engineers and professional people. If I buy a foreign car I might as well send my kids overseas to get a job. Buying American keeps all the jobs in the US. If you don’t care about that, then you must be a democrate. How is that working for you lately?

  • Eric

    Thanks Jim, that’s exactly what I was hoping to hear about my prospective purchase. Good idea about the light as well, I hadn’t really thought about how that could help.

    I’m not sure exactly what you mean in the last paragraph, though. I sometimes buy foreign products to reward a higher level of quality. However, if the quality is close or better in an American product, which I think in this case it seems that it is, I take pride in helping to fuel what little actual economic production we have left in this country. Not a democrat, no (Libertarian), but I am an engineer as well.

    Anyone have any advice on what a good price would be for a full size or compact (not sub-compact) P250 .40S&W? I’ll probably start going to area gun shops or shows soon to find one and I’m not sure exactly what to expect for a price. I want one brand new, and I favor the two-tone, but that’s not too important for me. Thanks much! Also any particular advice on ammunition in .40 S&W for a decent price but high quality? I probably won’t be running off hundreds and hundreds of rounds or anything anytime soon so price isn’t paramount. Just looking for something quality that I can get used to the gun with and learn/practice how to shoot properly with. Oh yeah and what is paramount in ammunition is finding something that will penetrate well without excessive risk of overpenetration, as I live in an apartment building and if I ever had to use it here, or anywhere for that matter, I would want a bullet to penetrate a perpetrator and stay there, not fly through and hit someone else. I don’t know much about different loads and hollow points and all that. Thanks again.

  • a468

    Load Hollow Point bullets. As for me I have given up on my SigP250. Consigned it to the gunstore for months, no takers. As for me I carry a Steyr its Austrian made and has one of the better Ergo’s and has a fully supported chamber so even when rounds do explode inside the gun, the Extractor never flies off. My Sig on the other hand has had the extractor fly away twice already.

  • Jim

    My cary gun is a M&P Compact in 40. I load it with a good quality HP bullet from a known manufacturer. Currently I’m loaded with Winchester Ranger. But I have used Federal hydro-shok’s and Remington Golden Saber. If you don’t load your own then use the cheapest you can find. Winchester white box, UMC(Remington’s white box), CCI blazer, Wolf. What ever is the cheapest. Handloads have alway lead to trouble if you havet oexplain yourself in court. Or at least that is what I’ve read. I have no experience in that arena. Nor do I care to. Practice Is important too. You don’t want a car to keep in the garage and only drive it once year. How good a driver would you be. Expecially if you are in need to use it in a hurry to safe life an limb. Shooting is fun and you might like the competitive nature in the sport.

    As for the Democrat thing. Forgive me it was a joke I use with some of my shooting buds. It was out-of-place here.

    American quality is at the highest levels in any industry. JD Power rate cars. But if you look past their placement most are so close as to be effectively a tie. Like saying you have 1000 and I have 999. To close to call.

    Anyway, enjoy the new gun, whatever it is. My Sig P250 is now as reliable as any of my other Sig’s. My M&P’s are as reliable as my Glocks. Guns of modern design all borrow form one another. Ergonomics and emotion are important in you choice. Afterall, you will be using it in an emotional hightened state. You shoul fell comfortable with your purchase. Good luck my friend and welcome the the shooting world.

  • Tim

    Eric:

    For what it’s worth, buying a SIG P 250 is like buying an Edsel. It is on it’s way out from what I understand. Maybe one day it will be a nice “collector’s item”, but hardly a weapon on which you can rely for personal defense or LE work. I own a number of SIG handguns and rifles alike and they are all fantastic weapons; each with a different application. That said, I could not shed myself of the P250 fast enough, as it was completely unreliable and unpredictable…..which made it UNACCEPTABLE as a reliable weapon. Read the blogs here…..they are but a mere snippet of the problems encountered by purchasers and users of this weapon’s platform (all calibers, perhaps 9mm being the worst). The fact that SIG would even consider its discontinuation speaks volumes. All of the nonsense on this blog about factory ammo that will work or not work is a huge statement as to the inherent unreliability of this sidearm. SIG is a great company….just had a dud on this design. Buy one of their German or Swiss made models and you will not be disappointed.

    As to all of this “American vs. Import” garbage, let’s set a few things straight: It’s hard to dispute that both American and overseas manufacturers have had some huge successes as well as undeniable flops when it comes to guns. As a general rule, the German manufacturers tend to “rule the roost”. Look at such brands as Sauer, H&K, Mauser and Walther and you will generally see nothing but first rate quality from a historical standpoint–fit and finish, materials, workmanship, etc. Worldwide military and LE organizations don’t pick these brands to be stylish or cool; they use them because they WORK. Other Models out of Europe such as Glock, F&N, Springfield and the like speak for themselves as well (Just review the military and LE utilization). Quality American brands such as S&W, Colt, KelTec and Ruger are producing some good products as well and are reliable brands in general.

    In a nutshell, do your homework. Read unbiased reviews, talk to professionals (not “know it alls” from the internet) and find the weapon that fits you, your hand and your desired use. Review what sidearms are being utilized by local and Federal LE as well as military….they spend countless hours and $$$ researching what they ultimately buy and issue. Lastly, keep in mind that what’s good for one guy is not necessarily what’s best for you. Again, as to the P250, let the buyer beware.

  • Tim

    Also, a note to all:

    Any modern firearm should be able to chamber, fire and eject any commercially manufactured, SAAMI certified ammunition without failure or problem for the caliber for which it was manufactured. Anything otherwise is UNSAFE, UNRELIABLE and UNACCEPTABLE. Period, no discussion. These are industry-accepted standards.

    Many of the submissions on this blog are untrue, misinformed and UNSAFE.

    This is not my opinion but opinions of the firearms industry, LE and military.

    Just a “FYI” as you read the submissions on this blog. This stuff drives me nuts, as ignorance when it comes to firearms is what gets people hurt or killed.

  • Jim

    It’s interesting that you likened the P250 to an Edsel. Other then it lookin glike a turd it was an engineering wonder for it’s time. Unfortunately, the enonomy of it’s time was a good as ours is now. With the Edsel being advanced in desing and options it was also priced out of a stiffled market. But, I wure wish I had one now.

    That being said. No one on he blog is giving “expert” advise except you. We are all just relaying our experiences. Honestly and sincerely. If you don’t like the gun because you’ve have had problems, that’s fine. The rest of us are only relaying what our experiences have been. No need to get your shorts in a bunch. We all contribute and we all make our own determination. I’ve bought three fireams this year. Two S&W M&P’s and a 22 conversion kit for my P229 Elite. They are all flawless. But so is my P250.

  • I got rid of my P250. Wasn’t all that crazy about it compared to other Sigs. I actually just got an older P-225/P-6 9mm. This is a great Sig!! It is the German police issue Sig! Built from all good METAL in Germany. Great and reliable! Several videos of them on youtube.

  • I have launched 9500 rounds thru my P250. There have been a few growing pains. For me they have all been addressed thru communication with Sig tech support. Springs were beefed up. Magazines were modified. I am overall very satisfied with the weapon. It has to be fed a softer primed cartridge. once I adopted Federal Primed personal protection rounds, and began loading Federal primers in my training reloads I have not had a single failure.

  • Eric

    Wow, the more I read the more I realize I have to learn. Thanks again everyone for the extra info. I’m now definitely considering other guns. One problem for me is that there are very few gun shops within a couple of hours from me. There is only one that has a website to tell me they sell lots of handguns, as well as rent them to let you try. I will try to make it out there soon, although they don’t list anything I’d consider as an option in .40 that I might actually buy (for rental).

    Part of me wants an old school metal frame, although it seems the vast majority of quality pistols are now polymer frames. I’ll keep reading. Do you guys buy guns without firing them (like by ordering them just based on what you’ve read)? Sorry to go off topic a little here.

  • Jim

    I’ve bought most of my guns based on manufactures rep and knowledge of he particular gun. I Knew what I was getting when I bought all of my guns. Except the P250. I went on MR totally. I was disappointed in that one. I also bought my Glock based on report new articles and reputation. I just could never ‘get a grip’ on the grip. Ergonomics weren’t there for me. The P250 ergo’s were great form the git-go, but the functionality wasn’t. No one should have to shoot 400+ rounds through a gun to brake it in before it shoots. Especially when none of my other Sigs acted as such. Not even the two Kahr’s that I own required brake in and I’ve hear plenty to the contrary. Metal fron guns are good as are polymer. i do fine the recoil in polymer to be reduced a bit as the mnature of the material tends to absorb a bit.

    Just another note on the P250. I talked to a distributed an relayed to him some of the concerns voiced on this blog. I was undert the impression that the P250 was a new (American ) design. He told me that is was a German design trialed in Europe for four years before being brought in this country. Rich mentioned that he made a lot of chenges to his loads before his P250 shot well. My gun just started to run. Now it runs everything I load or buy.

    My friend you have plenty to choose from. Good luck.

  • Tim

    Jim:

    One of the primary purposes of this blog is to make pertinent points relative to the P250. These comments are often used by those researching the weapon for potential purchase. If you’ve bought one of these duds and think it’s great, more power to you. The negatives far outweigh the positives on this particular piece. I’m not sure if anyone making entries has their “shorts in a bunch”, but it’s not me….getting rid of my P250 took care of that.

    As for your comment on my “expert” ADVICE (not advise), I never claimed “expert” status. I will tell you that I have over a decade in LE experience, several firearms decorations from the Air Force (one of which is an “Expert” ribbon) and have worked as a handgun instructor. If you think I’ve made any untrue statements, please point them out and I’ll be happy to clarify.

  • Jim

    Please forgive my spelling. But, my mind works faster then my fingers.

    As for your expert advice, I agree with everything you said. All modern fireamrms should function as you say. I agree. I just could hear a bit of emotion in you writings. You have the resume of an expert. I would just like to hear cold hard facts presented emotionlessly. As an ex reseach engineer I have heard emotions cloud the facts way to often. I found nothing wrong in anything you said. I guess I just didn’t want to hear the heat. Facts are all I look to. I your case, your facts were all striaght. As Chief Iron Bear said to Joesy Wales, “There is steel in words.” “I choose peace.”

  • Lee

    This is one of the better threads! Thanks all for the wealth of info! I own a P250c originally in 9mm but have since bought the 40c and 45fs conversion. The 9mm has been flawless with about 500-600 rounds through it. The 45 is another story. I am having an approx. 20% misfire/light strike rate which is obviously completely unacceptable for any use of this handgun. After I eject the round I can see that the pin did strike it. I’m a noob so at first I was ejecting and tossing those rounds but then I notice SOMETIMES I could just keep pulling the trigger until it went bang. Sometimes this will not work and I just have to eject the round and be done with it. I have cleaned the gun a few times but it hasn’t helped. I think I need to take it to an armorer to have the firing pin checked/cleaned. I would like to try it myself but I can’t find any docs about how to disassemble to that extent. I’m also going to call Sig tomorrow.

    It would really be disappointing if Sig is going to discontinue this firearm. I really would not understand that. The gun shops that I go to all claim it is in great demand and that Sig completely under estimated that hence the inability to find the conversion kits and other models of it. So why get rid of something people want?

  • Jim

    I would call Sig and discuss the problem with them. They are responsible for the design and the conversions. If the 9mm gave flawless operation I would consider retracing the steps in the conversions. But, Sig would be where I’d go first. This blog has a lot of information. It’s interesting that your gun dealer has had great sales on the P250. My GD has had the opposite. I had my P250 there on consignment for two months with not even a nibble. My 250 gave me fits forthe first 400 rounds. Now it shoots everything I feed it.

  • Kris

    I’ve read through all this and I only saw one reply regarding the Compact Digital Camo and Tactical All Terrain Digital. It worked flawlessly. I found a deal for $450 for the All Terrain(3 mags, case, threaded barrell, ACU patterned grip) and want to pick it up but am leary. This would be my third hand gun purchase, second 9mm. I’m hoping that this one has none of the problems everyone is having. If it does I’ll report back and will most likely return the pistol for a refund.

  • Tim

    Kris:

    Please know that in most states (if not all) firearms cannot be returned/refunded. I believe this is a BATF regulation, which would apply to all FFL dealers. Guns can be bought back by the dealer, but generally at a “used” price as they have to be inventoried on the BATF books as “used”. If a dealer offers you a different deal, I’d sure get it in writing.

    Caveat emptor.

  • Kris

    Good info Tim thanks! I went to get it and it was clearanced for $529. It was just the pistol and one magazine. I found a new in box for $599. I thought for that price I would be gettng the full kit, mags, holster but apparently not. I got to feel the DAO trigger today at Cabelas.
    Not bad and smooth as they say. A buddy of mine pcked one up and offered up a chance to fire a few round through it. I think I
    might take this offer.

  • Found a good used German made Sig P228 9mm over holiday for $350. I got it.. Not quite as good of ergonomics as the P250 but a great comfortable shooter so far! I put 150rds thru it over the weekend. Works great. I see now that the price of the P250 has come down everywhere I look around here. I see them all over for under $500 now.

  • Jim

    I’ve got three P229’s. The 29 has a stainless steel slide and the 28’s is carbon steel. I put Hogue finger groove grips on them all. What great guns. Out of the box perfect. At least two were. I have an Elite stainless one that went back to Sig twice. Now all three shoot. With the Hogue grips in place, I feel, the ergonomics are better then the P250. I like the P250 better then the other plastic guns, but the aforementioned guns are superior.

    As for the P250 being everywhere; I had mine at a local gun store for two months with no luck. When I asked the guys there if I could trade it in they didn’t want it. It still shoots great, but it’s in the safe until it becomes a collectors item.

  • Kris

    Jim- Did they say why they wouldn’t buy it from you?

    I did purchase a P250 yesterday. I picked mine up from Academy for $529. Oddly though I thought the threaded barrel only came on the ACU all terrain. This one I bought is the Marine Digital and has the threaded barrel. It doesn’t have a cover for the threads. I’ll have to hit up Sig I guess to get that.

    I’m going to take it out today if the weather permits. I’ll report back afterwards.

  • Jim

    Kris,
    They didn’t want it because they already had enough new ones on land. They didn’t say they weren’t selling, just that they had enough. I sold a PPK/S in stainless there it two weeks. I purchased it in ’89 for $300+ and sold it in ’09 for $400. If you want to know why I sold it, the reason was that I used it as a carry gun and now I had alternatives. I still have a blued PPK/S made in Germany. It’s in the safe with my P250.

    Good luck with yours. I’m leaving to visit my dad now with my M&P Compact on my hip.

  • Tim

    Neil:

    The P228 is a gem of a weapon. There was a recent overrun for a German military/police contract, and the excess was purchased and imported by SIGARMS in NH. You will note “Made in Germany” proudly stamped on the right side of the slide. If you compared this side by side to a 250, you would not have to compare very long. Fit and finish are like night and day between the two. Reliability more so. If you bought this in lieu of a P250, then congratulations. In my humble opinion you made the right choice (also as evidenced by the 228’s extensive use by the German military and police–and they could carry any of the best made sidearms in the world–not just SIG).

    Hang onto that 228. As of now, it is no longer exported from Germany for sale to civilians.

  • Kris

    Well I took my new P250 out. What a dream. Fires flawlessly. I had my doubts as a new Sig owner but what really had me sold was (1) my buddy who recently purchased one(same one who offered up some trigger time) and (2) my step father was looking to purchase a P250 as well!

    I did end up getting the P250 Compact Digital Camo. I posted up a video on youtube(sig sauer P250 Compact Digital Camo).

    Thanks to everyone for their reviews and insight! My wife can’t wait to try it out also.

    Kris

  • Darin

    I have been looking at the p250 for sometime now, and Academy put a 9mm on sale this week for $499, so I jumped on it. I was interested in it initially because of its modular style, but many guns come this way. It was very comfortable in my hand, and I tried it out as a concealed weapon at Bass Pro and was very pleased. I have always carried a Sig 232 (.380), so I was concerned this one might be too big. It is larger, but I can still comfortably conceal it. I took it out to the range today and shot 100 rounds of Federal (cheap stuff from Wal-Mart), and I did not have a single issue. I plan to convert it to a .40, but I wanted a 9mm to reduce the struggle to find ammo and have a weapon I could shoot at minimal cost. The trigger is smooth and light. I am very pleased with this purchase.

  • Mike

    My Sig P250 compact , is a year old now and i have shot about 500 rounds from the break in period and have never experienced any issues . its my carry gun and i find the trigger pull as smooth for double taps. it obviously instills confidence for me as well as from the corbon carry loads i use.

  • Amir Flores

    Mike : I second your notion. I’ve had my Sig 250 going on two years this april and haven’t had any problems what so ever with it. I’ve put around 650 rounds or so through it.. not one misfire or jam. I keep it clean and oiled since i work on the sea, only rust spots appear on my sight and trigger but its a easy clean. One issue is the magazine though, with a full mag i get a shaking sound as if one of the bullets are not fitted well. If mag has only ten rounds its completly normal. Alot of people complain of its performance but its work flawless less for me. Payed around 700 at the time and its been worth it.

  • Tim

    Gotta love this blog.

    It’s interesting to see all the continued talk about “break in period” for this gun. I’ve never seen this term in any reputable firearms literature or a part of any military, law enforcement or NRA training protocol. In summary folks, there’s no such thing. Modern reputable firearms should be considered precision instruments, meaning that they function correctly the first time and consistently well using any caliber-appropriate factory ammo. Anything less and you’ve got a gun with a problem that is potentially dangerous and puts the shooter and everyone around him/her at risk.

    Some people have obviously had luck with the P250, others (perhaps early owners) had a miserable experience. Continued good luck to those who own or will own a P250.

  • Lee

    To follow up on my post from December about the 45 conversion light primer strikes. I sent it back to Sig. They asked for the whole pistol with the conversion kit on it.

    What great service! Before I was even off the phone the CS guy had emailed me a UPS label. Inside 10 days I had the gun back (and this was during the holidays). I shot 50 .45 rounds through it last night with absolutely no problem. Sig replaced the firing pin. Not sure if it was broken to begin with or something happened. I may have dry fired a few times but my understanding is dry firing is ok in center fire pistols. Of course if you search on the web you’ll find great divergence of opinion, some saying to never do it as it will horrifically destroy the gun and other people saying that is BS and you can dry fire a center fire weapon all you want (with a few exceptions).

    The bottom line is it is now 100% functional and Sig took great care of me. I am most pleased with my purchase and the customer service I get with it.

    Onward now to try my .40 conversion kit on it. I can’t wait till the .357 sig conversion comes out, if it ever does.

  • Aaron

    Lee, The 357 sig conversion is out. You may need to order it direct from Sig Sauer but they have it out for the full size and compact. I Recently bought the P250 2SUM but have not had a chance to get out to the range. It seems like the new batch of p250 have had their FTF problems fixed (I’m hoping that’s the case anyway) I Have heard some talk about the Trigger bar spring breaking though, this worries me a bit but it’s not a hard fix. I’m heading out to the range on wednesday, going to put some winchester fmj’s through the gun (we’ll see about the hard primer) If anyone’s wondering the 2SUM only coms is 9mm as of right now, I’m hoping to see a 40 S&W and a .45ACP but that may be have to high of hopes. I do like the 17 round mag of the full-size, it also fits into the sub-compact frame, just a little extended. I may try it out just to see if it functions well or not but it seems to fit just as tight as the 12 round sub-compact mag (if this is the case you should be able to use a full size mag in the compact as well) I’ll try to post after my trip to the range.

  • Lee

    That 2Sum sounds very interesting! Hope your experience is a good one. Unfortunately I went to Sig site and 357 kit is “Temporarily Out Of Stock” like it has been for the last year. I don’t see any being sold on gunbroker.com nor gunsamerica.com. I think I’ve heard of people who managed to get one. I honestly do not get Sig on this one. Why advertise for a product you don’t make. I understand if you start advertising it a couple month before it is out but its been over a year now and probably 2-3 years since the P25 line was announced.

  • Aaron

    Ah yes, i noticed the out of stock thing after posting here. Maybe try calling sig and seeing what they can do for you? I’m going to be looking at a full size 45 myself. if i have to much trouble finding one then I’ll probable end up buying a 1911.
    Well good news from the range. I shot 220 ronds betewwn h two frames and not one FTF or FTE, all with winchested fmj’s. the fullsize m was extreemly accurate, putting out a 3in grouping at 15 yards with no prior experiance shooting a dao. the subcompact 9mm, not so much, not bad and about what i expected. more of a 5in grouping at 15 yards, againhaving never shot this gun or any othe dao before. I’m sure with time the grouping will get smaller. I’ll be oving o 25 yrds next time. The full size has basicly no recoil. with a tight grip the gun only lifts about an inch. The subcompact kicks alost as much as some 45’s.

    A guy at the range was asking about the Full size 9mm. His daughter has a compact so he wanted to compare. He seemed to like it (of course i let him shoot it, we all know how it is) The full size is my favoriet of the two but i would still carry the subcompact as a ccw, only downside is it has no rail and finding holsters for it is a bit harder.

    On a side note, i tried putting the fulsize mag into the subcompact and seeing if it would operate. and as i thought it did. Flawlessly i might add. So I assue it would also work for the compact.
    The full size mag is 17 rounds. There have been some reports of them being 20 rounds, and some factory mags when sold even say 20 rounds on the package but this is a typo. all full size mags are 17 rounds. All 17 rounds fit the ag, no porblems like the compact was having.

    I love this gun, and anyone thinking about getting the 2sum, i would recommend it.
    I got my P250 2SUM for $810 final price, after transfer and tax and all that. Got it from a local shop in Hudson FLorida called Ol’ Time Gun Shop

    The 2SUM comes with a Mediam Fullsize grip modual and a Small subcompact Grip modual.

    It seems the problems the P250 had are pretty well worked out now.

  • Lee

    My P250 9mm has been flawless. I had a couple stovepipes initially but it was my first gun and was sure I was limp-wristing it. Once I went to a firmer grip I put hundreds of rounds through with no failures at all.

    If you are looking for exchange kits, I got the P250 45 FS exchange kit (with grips) and the .40 compact exchange kit off gunbroker and gunsamerica. There is a vendor called “JayGuns” that seems to always be selling them. The only gotcha is sometimes they don’t say what size it is (FA, compact, or sub). But I haven’t seen them selling the .357 either.

    That is good to know that you can use the larger FS mags. I wonder if we’ll see after market large mags become available like how it is with the Glock (like I think there are 30 round clips for them right?).

    For me, there seems to be little difference in recoil between the 45 FS and 9mm compact.

    My only issue currently is the 45 seems like it shoots low and to the right a couple inches (at 7 yards). It could be that I don’t know what I’m doing yet but I feel like I know how to align the sites before the shot and it consistently groups low/right. Will find someone at the range with more experience and see if they have the same problem with it. I suppose I should try a “rest” to confirm this.

    I am thinking seriously about the 2sum as I want both the FS and subcompact for the 9mm.

    I voted for and do hope they do a .22LR conversion for this!

  • Aaron

    A 22lr conversion would be sweet. I love shooting the 9mm but even shooting that gets expensive when you put hundreads of rounds through each time you go to the range.

    Thanks for the info on th .45 conversion. I’ll have to look it up. i checkd gunbroker and couldn’t find anything bu i havent checked the other one yet.

    you may need to adjust the sites on the 45, don’t know for sure as well, i havent shot yours lol. you’re supposed to be able to adjust the front site but you might have to buy a new rear (sig clames you can buy new ones that are shorter or taller)

    I would also like to see extended mags for the 250, so much so that I’m looking for a gunsmith to build one. i don’t mind handing over a spare mag for months, so long as they can figure it out.
    The extended glock mag is a 33 round. Now i don’t expect that out of any sig (the 226 as a factory option for a 20 round <3 ) but one can dream. Anyway, I'm hoping to see some after market stuff soon.

    If you're seriously considering the 2SUM, from my personal experiance, do it. I love the full size 9, and the subcompact is just as nice, just not quiteas accurate. I want a threaded berral version but i'm not huge on the digi camo look, and i'd rather have itin full size. just more my taste i guess.

  • John

    When converting between calibers of the same size model, can you just switch out barrels and magazines, or do you have to also switch out the slides? I have a 40 and cannot find 40 anywhere on the slide, though it is clearly marked on the barrel and magazine. It would seem that for a given size (full, compact, subcompact) it is likely that slide is the same. I also don’t know if the spring or rod is the same for a given size. Seems that this would all be listed on a parts list, but I have been unsucessful finding one.

    If to change calibers all you need is a different barrel and slide it would certainly save a lot of money vs the complete exchange kit, and the ability to change calibers would give you additional options in case you find shortages of a particular size of ammo.

  • Lee

    I believe you can do this to change between the .40 and .357, in fact I think there are other sig handguns that allow you to do this, you just get a different barrel and not sure if you even need a different mag. For the P250, there are really 3 different slides for a given size(sc, c, fs): 9mm, .40/.357, and .45. So you do have to buy the xchange kit for example to go from 9mm to .40 or vice-versa. If you want to go from anything to .45 or vice-versa, then you need both an exchange kit and a new frame as the 45 frame is thicker than the others. Fortunately the frame is cheap, like $40-50.

    Unfortunately I don’t think ANY P250 .357 components have been created by Sig. so converting to .357 with any method is moot.

  • John

    Thanks for the feedback. Do you know if there is someplace on the slide where it is marked as to which caliber it works with?

  • Jason

    O.K. in all fairness, my gun had a bad extractor…as did a lot of people who bought the Sig P250 early on. Sig took care of it for free and quickly. I wish they admit to their mistakes. As an owner, I would prefer to read about known issues on a company’s web site rather than on forums.

    With that said, it is now 100% reliable. I don’t know why so many people trash the concept before firing it. I was pissed when it didn’t work but now I love it again.

    When I was shopping for an HDTV I was looking at Sony and Samsung. The Sony picture looked a little better but it was $1,000.00 more or so. The guy told me, “Either will look great in your living room….” That made sense. Most modern handguns work great if they don’t have any fatal flaws like an extractor that is too soft. While the trigger is DAO it is exactly the same every time…that, and the fact I felt having a DAO would be safer are the strengths of the gun. I am more concerned about an accidental discharge than I am of losing a fraction of a second between one shot and another.

    You learn the gun and the trigger and you get better at it. You can dry fire it at home and keep proficient with the trigger pull. The gun feels great, has night sights out of the box and a future of upgrades/easy modifications you can do without the aid of a gunsmith (.22 being my hope as well).

  • Aaron

    John, the only place on my gun that it’s marked, both the full size and subcompact, is on the barrel it’s self (where you can see it on the right side of the slide in the extractor port) mine says 9mm para (as it’s the 9mm, go figure) other then that i don’t think it’s marked anywhere else. I dont know if you could just buy the barrel and mag for 40 s&w and drop it into the slide that houses the 9mm (I have no idea the dimention differences between the to barrels) but i would say just buy the xchange kit. Anyway like i said it should be marked on the barrel (US version anyway)

  • Lee

    It seems like that would not work as the recoil spring and other components in the slide might be engineered for a specific caliber/recoil force. .40 and 9mm might be different enough. But I’m not anywhere close to knowledgeable on this topic. So I second Aaron’s, just buy the xchange kit and you’ll be fine.

  • Terry

    HELP!!!!!!!

    Anyone come across a Level II holster for the P250 .40 cal with a tac light?
    I think I’ve looked everywhere with no success.

  • John

    I think I am having the same problem as Tim. I bought a new P250 full size 9mm on Feb. 19, 2010. I put about 200 rounds through it no problem. Then, today I took it out and the trigger doesn’t engage the hammer. Whenever I pull the trigger, it just clicks and the hammer doesn’t come back. Also, since I bought it the takedown pin has always been extremely difficult to get out, but I never knew this was abnormal. I couldn’t find out what was causing the problem, so I took it to my local gun shop. They showed me another P250 and the takedown pin is not nearly as hard to get out. I am pretty sure this has something to do with the problem. I think it is specifically my gun, hopefully not a design flaw in all P250s. Currently the gun is at my gun shop, they said they know someone at SIG who they are going to send it to. If anyone has any advice that would be greatly appreciated. Its a great gun besides this problem.

  • Derek

    Hey guys,

    I’ve seen various posts about the Sig P250 and wanted to give my experience for future people considering the gun.

    I have the compact .45 acp version and I have put about 500 rounds through the gun and shot it on 4 different occasions. I have used all new ammo and 6 difference kinds of ammo to make sure it was not the gun. After the first 50 rounds it is lucky to make it through the first magazine without jamming. I called Sig about the problem and he told me the problem was the brazer ammo I was using. He gave me a long list of ammo I shouldnt use in the gun. One ammo he told me that wouldnt jam would be the magtechs. I then told him I was also using magtech and it actually jammed more. He told me use a box of remmingtons and see what happens. I asked him if would sig take the gun back and look at it if it was still jamming. He told me if I had a jam every other magazine that it was acceptable with due to ammo failure and things. If it was jamming more than that I can send it back.

    It was hard not to laugh when he said that. I mean that doesnt sound like a reliable weapon at all. I am very disappointed with my experience with Sig. I’ve heard the non US built sigs are very solid guns, but the US need some improvement. I just wanted to post my experience for those of you who are considering getting the gun.

  • I just recieved my P250. My son and i went to the range to fire off some rounds, he just got a new Glock22. I wanted to try some home defense rounds and white box Winchester ammo. The gun did it’s job no hickups. Tha only problem is the base of the P+loads bulged out, not so the stock ammo. What do you all think? Ammo or chamber problem. I broke down the gun and used a loaded round of each, they don’t look like their are seating down into the barrel far enough. i have an older P6 Sig and the rounds look seated about the same. Any thoughts?

  • John

    Richard – At least your gun seems to work fine! As for the +P ammo, I would guess that the P250 is rated for +P but I’m not sure. Otherwise, with all the other problems, I would be willing to guess that it is a chamber problem, unless they are handloads.

  • Thanks for the response, I would think the same but for the fact that my older P6 had the same clearance form the base of the round to the face of the barrel. Can I post a pic. to show the gun crowd what it looks like?

    Thanks Richard

  • Brad

    Thanks a bunch you guys. You just saved me from making a $500 mistake. The spec sheet on the 250 goes in the shredder. Sometimes, cheap is expensive.

    My first gun is a 232 Stainless and I absolutely love it. Like a Swiss watch – beauty and function. So now I want a Sig in 40. I think the 239 is the way to go, but they are rare on the market and cost around $800. It drives me crazy how many of these guys tell you they have them but then you find out they’re really taking back orders for an undetermined delivery date.

  • Jim

    I have a P239 in 40. It is a great gun. Remember what’s woorth having is worth waiting for. Like a good woman or Thanksgiving dinner. The Sig P239 is another. I had two. One is 9mm and one in 40. I used the 9mm in IDPA competition using the 10 round mags. I sold it to buy a P250, for the extra round count. I can’t give it away anymore. I wish I were turn the clock back and reaquire my old P239 in 9mm. It was the two tone that came with the nicole hardware. I feel a tear.

  • jordan

    I bought a p250 compact 45 on my 21st birthday. I have only put 500 rounds downrange with it however due to ammo price however i really like the gun. Its the first pistol besides the M9 that i have shoot a lot of rounds out of. I thinks its a great pistol good Acc and handling , the standard nite sights arent bad ether. The only thing i dont like about it is that it has no safety. But that is my only complaint the pistol with a 9 round mag fits perfectly in my average sized hands the grip is comfortable and secure as well but it does have a problem with dirt getting in the grip and taking forever to clean it. the the gun is a great example of Sigs amazing quality.

  • John

    Well, its been 30 days since I dropped my broken Sig P250 off at the gun shop. Still no response from the shop or SIG. The store is closed today, but I am porbably going to make a stop over there tomorrow to see whats going on. I really hope its fixed or at least can be fixed.

  • Brad

    Jim, just to let you know, I just got my new p239 40, N/S, SRT w/ 3 mags for $670 from Bud’s Gun Shop. Free shipping, $40 for my local transfer. I haven’t had it to the range yet, but I have confidence it’s a real Sig. After reading this thread, I’m glad I didn’t take a flyer on the cheaper 250.

    Also, great apparel tip: I bought the Sigarms canvas conceal carry jacket for $80. Throw in a $20 t-shirt and you make the min for free shipping (o/wise shipping is $20). This jacket far exceeded my expectations. I would buy this thing even if it wasn’t capable of carrying four guns. Ironically, my new t-shirt has the p250 on it.

  • Jim

    Brad,
    Look into the Hogue grips with the finger grooves. My son was the first in onur family to have a P239 in 40. I wasn’t sure I liked the feel at the time of purchase. he then brought it over with the grips on it and I have since then bought two. One in 9mm and one in 40. I traded my 9mm in on the P250 and wish I hadn’t. Good luck with the 239 and great carry gun. And, I NEVER had a jam our a hick-up or anything. It was my first of seven Sigs. Enjoy.
    Jim

  • Brad

    You know what they say about great minds, I ordered Hogue grips last night.

  • Jim

    Yes I do. We think as one. Good luck.

  • Brad

    I took my new 239 elite to the range yesterday. First two clips were all low and right. Probably this is an old trick, but some guy there took a spent casing off the floor and said “aim at the target”. He put the shell on the top of the slide, primer down and said “using just the finger tip on the trigger, your left thumb below the right, both on the left side, and imagine pulling the trigger very gently and watching the bullet strike the target”. Then I reloaded and started burying every shot within a 3 inch diameter at 25 feet. Stock grips ok, but just put the new Houges on, can’t wait to tighten up that group.

  • Jim

    My son had the same experience with his P239. He was off target and asked me to shoot it. I put all five around the center. Not that I’m a great shot, I was just more active and experinced in the shooting sports. The Hogues WILL make a diference.

    Shooting low and to the right is a control issue. Nothing you can’t overcome. It sounds like your on the right track now. Good luck.

  • Ben

    I’m so shocked at all I’m reading here. I bought my P250 over a year ago, have had it out shooting many of times, 1000’s of rounds without any problems at all. I stumbled on here today while looking for more info on sub-compact conversion kits. I did notice on Sig’s website that there is a product alert for the P250. It appears they have new grips and mags on all the newly produced models. Anyhow, I love my P250 and I can’t wait to get my 3rd conversion kit for it this weekend. It’s so cool to be able to change up the caliber so easy. Now, one could own one registered gun, for every purpose they would ever need!

  • Ryan

    OK, so I just shoot this P250 and I have to say it really is not a hot SIG product .357 SIG is way to hot of a round for this frame. Not to mention this gun is for an entry level shooter. Sorry if that hurts anyones feelings but this gun is not a good duty weapon! I can’t say one good thing about it unless they changed the frame (to metal) or fixed the trigger! This gun is a joke!

  • paul

    Can anyone tell me if the p229 holster will fit the p250? I am looking for a small of back holster for my sub-compact P250. The 250 will fit in a fobus paddle holster but it doesn”t seem like a perfect fit.I’m wondering if the leather (such as the DeSantis small of back) holster would adapt better.Would appreciate the input.

  • paul

    I meant to say that the 250 will fit into the fobus paddle holster for the p229 but not a perfect fit. I know fobus makes a paddle holster specifically for the 250, just cannot find a leather small of back holster for the 250.

  • Allen Anstee

    Hi, I have both a Sig P250 (40) and an XD-40. I have been through enough shooting schools and done enought shooting in the ARMY to tell if a hand gun is good. I am a huge fan of the Sig P226. The Sig P250 takes some getting use to. The fact that the 250 dosent change its pounds of pull back pressure after the first shot is going to take people a little bit to get use to. But once you do its a very fast hand gun. I don’t think that I will go back to the XD. I think I will give that to my wife. I am very pleased with it as a conceal and duty weapon.

  • Dee

    @ Allen Anstee,

    This is for the DAO model, have you tried a six shot rhythm drill with this firearm, better yet double taps? I’m not pistolero but I’ve been to more shooting course’s that I can shake a stick at! Not to mention holding a number of Certs as a Instructor from the Military to the Federal Gov and Civil Side(NRA extc), but this gun is anything but fast. There’s no way you can complete a triple nickel with this gun.

    http://pistol-training.com/drills/triple-nickel

    I’m not sure if you got some kind of kick back to write you review (like the guy who just signed a 10 yr contract for the FAMS did),(who signs a 10 yr deal anyway?) or if you truly serve in a L.E. as you stated (duty carry) or any role that truly requires you to run and gun but you are way off the mark. The only agency to support this gun was the FAMS who had three working groups with the first two selecting the Smith and Wesson M&P hands down. Even after the third again suggested the M&P but HQ got a hold of it they selected the P250. (Total diff topic) With over an inch plus travel on trigger reset there’s actually no trigger rest b/c it goes all the way out! How can that be fast? Another review stated “The Sig P250 has probably the worst trigger I’ve experienced on a handgun that’s been released in the last few years “http://pistol-training.com/archives/2171 This in its self will lead to a number of people “slapping the trigger!”

    Every modern instructor teaches trigger reset and prep to the most basic of students b/c almost all firearms have reset. If you recall your 7 The Fundamentals just incase you forgot I’ve included it for you.

    1. Stance
    2. Grip
    3. Sight alignment
    4. Sight Picture
    5. Trigger Control
    6. Breathing
    7. Follow Through

    Many firearm shops are not even carrying this firearm b/c it’s not selling. I’m sorry but sales on this firearm speak volumes. Can I shoot this gun yes, do I want to… heck no!

    Kind Regards,

    Dee

  • Gunny

    I just purchased my first Sig Sauer, the P250 Subcompact. I have been wanting a Sig for many years, but the price was just to high to justify. Than while at the Gun Dealer (was initially going to buy the Beretta PX4 Storm Subcompact), I noticed one of the guys bringing out a new shipment and a lot of people gathered around to check out what he brought out. So I went over to see what was up and it was the Sig P250. They had just got in their 2nd batch of the Subcompacts. Well once I saw it and hand it in my hands, it was bliss! So I asked if they had one in .40S&W and the guy said he had one in the back, only one. Well after my discount, I took it home for $539.00. I have fired 200 rounds through this baby and it is SWEET! Not a single hiccup! I am very pleased and carry this as my CC daily.

    On a side note, not a lot of people have holsters out for this model yet, but I came across a sweet heart deal while searching for one. FOBUS has the EVOLUTION ROTO-HOLSTER PADDLE for the P250 Subcompact on sale for $10.00! Yes folks $10.00, plus FREE shipping and NO tax (live in VA). So I have a brand new FOBUS EVOLUTION ROTO-HOLSTER PADDLE on its way to me for $10.00. It is a savings of $25.99! I don’t know if you need a holster or not, but heck, even if I didn’t need one, I would buy one for this price anyway. FOBUS are legendary and I have had many over the years. This is one sweet holster! I am using a Blackwater #08 (Generic) to carry my P250 in while I wait. It was the only one the Gun Dealer had that would fit my P250 Subcompact.

    Till next time, I’m one happy P250 SC owner!

    Gunny

  • Gunny

    Hello Dee,

    I have read your reviews and in as much as I hear what you are saying, I feel you are pointing the finger at one where many fit the build. The DAO on the P250 SC is a sweet smooth pull each and every timenyou pull it, you get the exact say pull EVERY time. However, there are a bunch of DAO handguns out there that can not make this claim. If your review was regarding the “DAO” world, I could see your point. But to pick out one handgun from the crowd is simply not a fair evaluation, IMHO. Take it for what it’s worth.

    I also see no reason why you need to list all of your schooling in regards to your comments, maybe to justify your statements, I do not know, but if I were to do the same, the blog would run out of space. Suffice to say I was in Vietnam and Iraq (Desert Storm), one needs no other announced schooling other than the live fire of combat in a war zone. But I will also say I have additionally completed 20 years in the law enforcement field, retiring as the Chief of Detectives. Enough said I think.

    Please do not think I am hitting you personally, as I am not, I am just trying to balance your comments so a neutral party looking for a P250 SC may get a balanced read.

    Happy shooting all and enjoy what ever tickles your fancy and gets the job done!

    Gunny

  • Dee

    @ Gunny

    If we may digress for a quick sec, I wrote this review to help others make an informed purchase. Since “We” are not the range to let my shooting speak for my knowledge, skill’s or abilities of course I “validated” my comments with brief overview of my background. I also deployed to combat following Sep 11th. Perhaps we should included a virtual link to some sight where we can use a virtual range and let our scores speak to our abilities… of course then would not have a true testament to ones capabilities! While I respect your service to our nation in the military and LE role its clear that you did the same by utilizing your “Rank i.e. Gunny” from your long lost days in the Corps.

    This review does not come out of left field, as I recently had the chance to shoot this firearm as a part of a test and evaluation group. The P250 is a great gun if you don’t want to win a gunfight! I would never suggest a gun to anyone that I would not want to carry myself.

    Back to my point of the fundamentals of shooting. These fundamentals do not change regardless whether you are a novice or a seasoned veteran. The P250 takes away what every shooter has been taught from day 1, Trigger control! From day one at any instructing course, instructors teach students to feel the trigger reset as an individual releases the trigger. The length of travel for trigger reset is all the way out, which would be fine for target shooter but for Law Enforcement, CCW or military action this can cost people their lives.

    The ability to conduct a press check with this firearm is very difficult, one might say this in itself is not a show stopper however it provides little comfort to the end user who routinely does this for peace of mind. Never mind doing so after a critical shoot or a reload in a tactical situation.

    The SIG P250 polymer frame seems to handle the .357 P-Plus ammunition very poorly, while the Sig 229 and even the Sig 239 aluminum frame does not seem to transfer the recoil to the shooter in the same manor.

  • Tim

    Dee:

    10-4 on your comments.

    I have given my opinion very early on this blog as to the reliability and function of this weapon. I dare say my credentials are as extensive or moreso than anyone else on this blog. That said…….

    At the end of the day, guns are somewhat like ice cream. Some like chocolate, some vanilla. To those who think the P250 is something great, more power to you. You have more faith in this substandard weapon than do I; that’s why mine was sold months ago. If you read this blog, there are far too many issues with this platform for me to trust the life of my children’s dad to its inherent unreliability and unpredictability (do we see a trend here, boys & girls?). If SIG USA has corrected that, then all the better for those who own this paperweight. I’ll be behind a P228 or H&K USP which I KNOW, BEYOND ALL DOUBT will function as required under pressure–each time and every time.

    Show me a list of any reputable LE or military organizations that has adopted this weapon as an issue sidearm (no…. BFE county, Mississippi does not necessarily count), and I’ll reconsider my comments. Otherwise, the proof’s in the pudding. I submit that list is pretty short, if it exists at all.

  • I had a P-250. I too sold mine and got a P228 and also found a P-6 that my wife likes and is comfartible with and trusts.

  • COMFORTABLE… OOPS!

  • Dee File

    Tim,

    I think your talking to Gunny b/c I for one do not support the Sig P250! Nor do I think it belongs in the Sig family. Sigs getting into the polymer frame game to late and it’s clear with this firearm! I can’t fathom why thr FAMS went to this weapon!

  • Lee

    The P250 was my first firearm purchase and real firearm experience so I don’t have experience to compare it’s reliability to other guns. But for a first time gun owner this is a great gun. Once my .45 problem was fixed it is has been perfect. It is very easy to break down and clean. The internals are very visible helping a noob understand how a gun works in detail without fear of destroying or loosing tiny parts. It also allows me to have and try different calibers and sizes for a moderately cheaper cash outlay than buying whole guns but with a lot less paperwork, wait times, and fees. Plus I don’t want to have 6 guns. But having one that is convertable is very appealing.

    There’s a near zero chance I would ever have to use mine in self defense but I can see if someone who carries on duty, it may need to pass a high bar and seems reasonable that some would require it to prove itself longer. If Sig continues to develop this gun, I would imagine at some point it would be as reliable as anything else.

  • Jason

    I stopped by a gun store and looked at the 2 Sum package. I wanted to feel the subcompact frame. We took the chassis out and I test fired it. I noticed a few parts were different than my older model. The chassis was different, the trigger shape as it fits in to the chassis was different. The slide release spring was beefier. The extractor was an angled piece of metal rather than an “arm” that pokes out. I also noticed the take down pin was very tight. I removed the chassis to return it to the full size frame and…..the trigger no longer linked with the hammer. I thought I broke it. Then me and the guy were able to see what was happening and fix it but the trigger bar would always slip back.

    This is in unacceptable out of the box performance and I am glad I have never seen that problem.

    I am going to come right out and say that there are many different parts on this gun that are not consistent. The extractor (which I wrote about before). The magazine butt plates and grip module. The hammer spring. Even the chassis seems to be having little changes or inconsistencies….in some ways that helps them fix problems. But, I think by continually changing things after years of the pistol being out is just irresponsible. I like my pistol. I am glad I don’t have any problems with it.

    But whatever the 2 Sum problems, people will buy the gun and then have to send it back to sig as soon as they “break it”. What a horrible feeling to buy a handgun and see it catastrophically fail. The concept is much better than the execution.

    Just disappointing. They owe better to their customers. FAM will have the benefit of getting the “best combination of working parts” by having the civilians Beta test their glitch-wridden product.

    If sig is reading then know that some of us aren’t complainers about the gun but fans….who see that SIG needs to deliver and hasn’t yet. How many returns and broken triggers and light strikes and accidental slide releases and FTE for bad extractors is considered….”acceptable” to Sig. Because for the civilian consumer it is “not acceptable” if this continues and the FAM see the same problems they will either have to fix it or risk a complaint from a costumer they might even take seriously….the one that could make or break this guns future.

    If the FAM sees what I am seeing they are going to drop it.

  • Lee

    That is a fair criticism. Sig has had years now to get these issues worked out but for whatever reason they are taking forever with this gun. I realize gun manufacturers are not the most professional companies in the world, just listen to Sig USA’s ridiculous auto-attendant “hello welcome to sig saaaaauer” who sounds like she is entered in a twang contest.

    It is scary if they are changing parts as that might mean new parts won’t fit mine. But wonder what the reason they are not getting this gun finished with all due speed? It just seems odd but maybe there is an internal struggle where some in Sig want to kill it but others want it marketed, so we see this 2 steps forward 1 step back dance.

  • Gunny

    Jason, Please let me know what Gun Shop allows you to take a NEW firearm out for a test fire, especially considering the Federal Laws that govern the sale of firearms. Don’t get me wrong, I would love to be able to do just that prior to purchasing a hand gun as would anyone else, kinda see my point? I mean in the course of one day, they would have NO new firearms in their store. Not to mention the loss in the sale and currency the shop owner would take if in fact you failed to purchase the firearm. To be honest, I have never heard of such a thing, unless maybe it is a family owned shop and your part of the family? Anyway, just thought it strange and wanted to throw my 2 cents in the mix.

  • DA

    I just took out my new sig 250 to the range and I couldn’t keep anything on the target. I’m a bit new to shooting, but this was way beyond what I was expecting. I was very accurate with a Glock a friend brought. Both of us couldn’t get the Sig to hit our targets. I have considered it was my inexperience, but I’m just not sure. Could my sights have come a bit off? Does anyone have a recommendation on what I should do? Thanks in advance for any advice you can offer …

  • Gunny

    Hello DA,

    WOW, that does sound a bit off. Did you try a different brand or type of ammo? Sometimes ammo will shoot different in different guns. Also, did you try to shoot from a bench rest? I understand your hits are off, but it would be helpful if you knew where they were hitting. Try shooting at say 5 yards so you can actually see the rounds hitting. This will allow you to at least adjust your aiming point. The important part right now is to find out where they are in fact hitting. For instance, you could come back and say, “At the 5 yard line, the rounds were hitting far left, or dropping down to 7 O’Clock (Try to use a clock to describe where they hit on the paper). Also, is this a Full size, Compact or Subcompact? Once you do determine where the rounds are hitting and you know for sure it is the weapon, you can adjust the sites, but since your new and the handgun is new, you will definately want to call Sig and ascertain what procedure you should follow to fix the issue as a number of things could be the cause.

    Well I hope that helps you out some. Good Luck, be safe and I’m sure your 250 will be on target in quick fashion.

    Gunny

    PS: Here is Sig Sauer’s contact info for you:

    SIG SAUER Customer Service Department:

    Phone: (603) 772-2302 (press #3 for Customer Service)

    Please be advised that our customer service phones have peak call times and you may wait several minutes for a representative if calling at these times. Our peak call times are, Monday 10am – 4pm, Tuesday through Friday 11am – 2pm.

    For your convenience, please refer to our FAQ page prior to submitting your inquiry.
    Fax: (603) 772-4795

    Hours:
    Monday thru Friday 8:30am to 6:00pm EST.

  • Tim

    DA:

    Based on the syntax in Gunny’s entry, I would surmise he works for SIG USA (note he refers to “OUR customer service phones” and “OUR FAQ page”). He’s also one of the few that touts this lemon as good for anything more than a paperweight.

    From another perspective, I submit that if you had read this blog before buying the 250, you would have looked elsewhere. This weapon is flawed in virtually every respect, and it’s record here confirms that to be fact.

    My recommendation: Sell or trade it, get what you can and buy a more dependable sidearm. You mentioned you did well with the Glock. Maybe that would be a good place to start looking. You are likely in for more disappointment and frustration with the 250, if your experience is like the majority of folks here.

    If you are bent on a SIG, look at the 226 or 228; they are time tested quality German platforms with years of successful LE and military use.

    Tim

  • Lee

    I think Gunny just pasted that from the website. I am new also and have trouble keeping the SIG on aim, mine seems to shoot low to the right. When I adjust for that I start getting more accurate. With my Ruger Mark III I can hit bullseye easily at 25 ft over and over again. With the 250, sometimes at 25′ I am lucky to get it on the paper. I think part of it is psychological, the .22 is obviously much easier to shoot and less bang. But I suspect the sights are in fact off a bit. Hard for me to tell though as I am a noob. I’ll try the gun rest.

  • Gunny

    Tim, if you had the foresight you would see that I simply copied and pasted the info exactly as it is presented in Sig’s web page. Do a tad of research before you point the preverbial finger!

    In response to your comments, I try to provide comments that help answer what an OP posts and try to leave my personal opinions out of the loop as best I can. If that offends you, well you know how that goes, but it is not my intent to post what is not a factual contribution. Thats the trouble with Blogs, anyone can input anything and not be held accountable. But hey, it is america after all!

  • DA

    Thanks Tim and Gunny for your suggestions. Let me provide a bit more context, it is a Sig P250 9mm compact. I won it at a gun show this year, so I’m sure this is among numerous weapons that gets packed and unpacked (& handled) when this dealer travels from event to event. Again, I did consider my inexperience, and not totally ruling that out yet. However, it was more than just me that completely missed the target … and I was quite good with the Glock … I must say.

    At the range I shot 3 different brands of ammo … all with the same (disappointing) results. As far as specifics with a target go … I finally got some grouping together when I started aiming for the top right of the target (1:00-2:00). The problem is … the shots were hitting at 7:00-8:00)

    I am considering calling Sig, but feeling a bit uneasy about starting to mess with the sights. What about a gun shop / gunsmith. Would they be able to easily tell if the sights were off?

  • toffe777

    I posted a few comments early my experience with my compact digital cammo. If you go to YouTube and search for P250 compact digital cammo you’ll see the results with a walmart laser and without. The pistol’s DAO trigger takes getting used to. I sighted the laser in from a rest as well as shot the pistol from a rest and it was very accurate. I did not have any issues as far as the mechanics of the pistol.

    DA-as far as adjusting the sights a shop
    told me to hit it with a brass awl to adjust. Just remember to fire three rounds from a rest at a short distance target, hopefully jar a good group, then make an adjustment. Repeat until it’s accurate from
    a rest then practice, practice, practice.

  • Gunny

    Hello Lee & DA,

    WOW, won it at a show, I could never have that fortune. Heck there could be a two gun give away, with two people enrolled to win and I still wouldn’t win, just my luck with stuff like that. Well I’m at least glad you got it on the paper, so at least you know what to tell the folks who may repair it. If it were me, being a new guy to the world of shooting, I would first call the folks who are providing the “Warranty”. DA (since you won yours at a gun show) and Lee (I would definitely bring it back to the gun shop you purchased it at. Depending on the shop, many possibilities may exist) if you know someone at one of your local Gun Shops, it wouldn’t hurt to bring it by them and ask them for their opinion. They will most likely say what I am suggesting and that is to have SigSauer check it out, but hey you can ask. What you definitely do not want to do is some how violate the warranty and than your out of luck for the FREE repair! I would definitely call SigSauer and tell them what is going on. If at all possible, maybe even include the paper target (showing where you were aiming and than where they hit) you shot on when you send them the pistol for warranty repair. Quick question, did you by chance use the bench or some other stationary object to anchor your position to ensure the best shot possible? If not, I would definitely give that a go. Also two other suggestion, again from an anchored position. 1) Since it is shooting off, do not shot 25 yards. I would shoot at the 5 yard and no further than 10 yards to ensure you get an accurate picture of what is happening. 2) Lets say you are shooting at 10 yards and you aim at the bulls-eye and hit low 7 o’clock. Mark that target with what happen and than replace it with a new paper target. Get some Black Pasties and make yourself a bulls-eye at say 2 o’clock. Now shoot with the new bulls-eye location and see where the rounds hit. Mark that target accordingly and send off with the first target. What your trying to do is establish a sound firing position, a reliable aiming point and showing a definite pattern on where the rounds are hitting. With all of that in your possession, make the call to SigSauer and tell them what is happening. With the targets in hand, you’ll be able to answer the questions they are surely going to ask you. One thing I did not cover is how clean and lubricated the weapon is. I am assuming you are shooting a clean and lubed pistol as it could cause some issues, but nothing in the area of what you are experiencing. I’m sorry for the problems you are going through and I know it is frustrating, but in all honesty, it could happen with any weapon. One final question, are you shooting the full size, compact or subcompact?

    I hope that helps you two out. Good Luck and be safe. Please report back as to the findings that correct the issue, Thanks!

  • Tim

    Gunny, nobody’s “pointing a proverbial finger” at you. Your entry was read at face value, and your entries and avid defense of this significantly flawed weapon certainly make you sound like you are on the SIG USA payroll.

    I would hope that anyone who owns and shoots a handgun would have enough sense to find the SIG contact info for themselves, but I realize you are just being helpful.

    Take a step back and don’t be so quick to lash out at those who don’t share your enthusiasm for this clunker. If you read this entire blog, it won’t take long for you to realize that the fact remains that you are in a clear minority in your positive opinions of the P250, particularly early owners like me. Speaking on behalf of myself, I have only posted what is factual and accurate, based on years of LE and decorated military experience, as well as my own experience with this sidearm. Never in my professional life have I seen a weapon from a major manufacturer fraught with the problems the P250 has had in it’s short tenure. BTW, “america” is spelled with a capital “A”.

  • Lee

    Just because there are some people on here with issues does not mean we can draw the conclusion that the majority of people who own this firearm have issues. People who have an issue are far more likely post something than those who do not. Choose any firearm and do a google search on ” unreliable” and you will get pages of people with issues with it. I just checked Glock 19 and found plenty of pages about issues with it. And I’m sure the issues are/were real, but can we draw a conclusion that Glock 19 sucks and most people have issues with it? I don’t think so.

    I don’t understand why this can’t be a forum about the P250. Why does it have to be an endless debate of “this guns sucks blah blah blah”, “no it doesn’t blah blah blah”…

    • Enough with the personal attacks. Please stay on topic.

  • Jason

    The gun store did not let me fire the gun. Just dry fire and exchange the kit from the full size to the subcompact. I own one myself and have fired thousands of rounds through it. The only problem I had on my gun was extractor issues. Which were resolved by Sig quickly (and quietly).

    I am shocked to see a gun out of the box with such a catastrophic failure and the parts are different to those who look closely. I am not sure about interoperability (which should be the gun’s strong point) but once they changed the grip frame and the magazine butt plate design all bets were off. Would all the parts from a new 250 work with mine? I’m not sure.

    I think my best way to describe the effect is that the Sig P250 is the “Mr. Potato-Head…..and his bucket of parts” of the handgun world (to the tune of the commercial jingle). But when all the parts and even the potato are changing subtly (probably to fix problems with the design) I hope that all the old buckets can be exchanged for the final version someday. In the meantime, a LOT of owners are probably experiencing one or more of the common problems. Extractor issues, light strikes, unintentional activation of the slide release, and now…..a trigger that doesn’t pull back the hammer. They should be ashamed. Great concept….bad execution. I am done making excuses for them.

    Owning a Sig P250 is like owning an airsoft pistol. Most of the time it works….but it will always leave you guessing, wondering…..will it go bang? I also own a Ruger P95 and that runs like a champ.

    Luckily, my 250 works well for now. But….I am looking into buying an XDM 9mm 3.8″. In time, it may completely replace my 250 as the primary pistol.

  • Gunny

    Hey Jason, Thanks for the clarification. Sorry you had trouble, but it looks like they did ok and got you right. Again, Thanks for the clarification.

    Good Luck and Be Safe!

  • Gunny

    Hey Lee,

    I could not agree more. Thank you for your perspective!

    Good Luck with getting your P250 sighted in (Please let me know how it worked out for you) and be safe!

  • Nicholas

    I have to ask…

    1st of all the Sig p250 compact is one hell of a reliable pistol. I have about 2000 rounds not one jam and likes every thing I feed it 🙂 .

    But the Mags!!! Whats up with this, The deal says 16 rounds +1, the Mag says 16 rounds, all these blogs say 16 rounds +1, the book that comes with it say 16 +1 but yet 16 rounds plus one will not fit. Called Sig and they say when they made it, 16 +1 was the game plan but! they had to change it to 15 rounds +1. I got some crazy story about NY and some other state that can only carry 15+1 blah blah…

    Now 15+1 is more then fair the problem is that I now have 3 Mags (FROM THE DEALER NOT AFTERMARKET) that I paid about 50.00 per for but they do not work!! The last bullet fired on 2 of the mags the slide does not stay open.

    So I took them back to the dealer got 2 new mags, same problem every time!

    I took all three mags apart and looked at the springs, what do you know the 2 mags that do not work the springs are shorter. Now I have called Sig and they have never heard of this, I’m talking a different language when I talk about this to them.

    Can some one tell me they have the same problem, I have not seen any thing online or talked to any one that has the same issue I have. I not crazy!

    Thx

    N…

  • Gunny

    Hello Nicholas,

    Are you confusing the reading with actual rounds. Meaning, I have a P250 Subcompact in the .40S&W, which comes with a 10 round mag. So the pistol description may read like this, “P250 SC carries a 10 round mag +1.” The +1 is the round in the chamber, so you have 10+1 total rounds in the handgun ready for discharge. All of the vendors use similar verbiage. Further examples:
    13+1
    19+1
    7+1
    The first set of numbers is the mag count, the second number is the round in the chamber.

    Did that help explain what your seeing? I’m not totally sure I follow your lead, but when ever I see numbers like your are describing it leads me down the path I’m showing you. Hope I’m not in left field..

  • Gunny

    Hey Lee & DA,

    I came across this posting in another forum and thought it may help you all out:

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “Many shooters are used to a “six clock hold” which means bullseye is sitting on top of aligned sights: but with Sig you are supposed to “cover the target” with aligned sights. If you’re using six clock you will be shooting low, and likely you may be “anticipating” and pushing your gun over,causing you to shoot low?

    Have someone who is a good shot at your range try your gun, remembering proper Sig alignment. You might think you are not pushing the gun over: but simple way to check. Mix a “snap cap” or two at random, where you don’t know where they are, after firing a live round, it will be ejected and snap cap will be chambered;but of course will only go click. Bet you catch yourself pushing the gun over in anticipation?

    Good luck with the gun! Snap caps are cheap and should be kept for “drills” anyway!”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Hope it helps! Good Luck and safe shooting!

  • DA

    OK, range update after going back with an experienced shooter. Shot my p250-9mm-compact quite a bit better. My friend had little problem with the gun. I seemed to be low and left, but at least I’m on the paper this time. Oh, and target was at 10ish (15 tops) yards. I think it was a combination of my inexperience, and not being used to the longer trigger pull with the double action. I’m still not where I want to be, but am going to practice with it a lot more. So I have 2 questions for you guys …

    1. Why am I soo much better with a Glock? I’ve shot 2 separate Glocks now, a 9mm and a 40cal, and had great groupings with both.
    2. What does low and left mean for me with the Sig? It seems like you experts are almost able to diagnose a shooter’s problem just by where they shoot.

    Again, thanks for all the responses above … much appreciated (and needed) for a new shooter.

  • Gunny

    Hey DA,

    Well congrats! Question, did you see my blog entry directly above your last post prior to heading out to the range? Was just curious if you tried to gain an accurate sight picture using the methods that were recommended in the posting I came across. My next question is what model Glock are you referring to and how much range time do you have with the model you are referring to?

    Depending on the range you use, you may want to ask the range master if he could watch you shoot a mag or two and see if he can catch anything. It is amazing what someone can catch when they are watching a person shoot.

    Again, congrats and I look forward to your reply!

    Gunny

  • Jim

    Low and to the left means you are moving more then your finger when you squeeze the trigger.

    Make a fist without the gun in your hand. Start with an open hand. you’l notice that as you move the finger into the clenched possition you also bring the knucles into alighnment with the forearm. You also move the bottom fingers down. Thus, moving the strike of the bullet left and low. The remedy is to practice-practice-practice just pulling the trigger with the finger. You don’t need ammo for this.

    I’m sure there are other ways to cure this problem. The support hand can help, but if you have to shoot strong hand only, it’s better to know how to do it right.

    Jim

  • Tim

    DA:

    Answer to #1: The Glock is not a DAO pistol and is a much more user friendly weapon in general. Most DAO sidearms take considerable practice in mastering if you are not used to the concept, grip and operation.

    Answer to #2: You are likely “pulling” the weapon to the left during trigger pull, directly attributable to the answer to your first question. Again, practice makes perfect. DAO weapons are a different animal than what most shooters are used to, particularly those new to handguns.

    If you can get your 250 to reliably cycle, fire and overall function in a dependable manner with factory loaded ammo, you are far ahead of the game relative to many other owners (or former owners like me). Good luck.

  • Jason N.

    Hey,

    I purchased my very first pistol yesterday, a 9mm Sig P250 Sub compact and would like to share the experience I’ve had thus far.

    The price I got it for was incredible (only $459.99 at Academy) but extensive research, and the ability to change caliber so easily is what really had me sold. I’ve always been a big fan of the Sig Sauer name brand, but shopped around a lot before picking mine up.

    Prior to my purchase, I did read this blog and was hesitant due to the “misfire” issues that plagued so many users. My father is an avid gun collector and owns a variety of different 9mm pistols. A Glock 19, S&W 9mm, and a Sig Sauer SP2022. I have always had a strong love for the Glock because of the grip, and out of the box performance. I personally believe this gun can be shot by anyone with dead nuts accuracy. My 14 yr. old brother who never once shot a weapon in his life was able to make 4 inch groups at 25 yrds with that pistol. Needless to say…..my options were many. After speaking to so many people at gun shows and ranges and shooting ranges, I decided to test the waters and get the Sig.

    When I approached the very nice man at my local Academy, the first thing I did was ask to hold all three levels of size….Full, Compact, and Sub-Compact. I personally have rather large hands, and felt that the sub-compact would be too small to control in almost all situations. The full size felt amazingly comfortable and I knew that no matter what position I held it, I’d be in control. However, the compact was the size I completely fell in love with. The grip on this thing felt even better than the Glock 19 that I drool over. I know Sig really spent some time and money analyzing a large group of people when it came to making that grip. My second move was figuring out caliber size. I plan on using this weapon as a dual purpose piece. Self defense, and target shooting. Picking the 9mm with these ideas in mind was a bit tough. Yes 9mm is great for target shooting and can be used for self defense, but if an intruder enters my castle, I want the largest size bullet that still accurate to bring him/her down. As we all know….this weapon brings both the 9mm and .45 ACP to the table without buying two separate weapons. Is it cheap to do so? No, not really. Cheaper than buying two great modular guns? You bet.

    So, after purchasing my new firearm I grabbed 250 rounds of Monarch 9mm brass and headed for the range. My father is a bit “old school” and cursed me the entire way for not getting Winchester (or another American name brand) for my break in. Smiling, I kept quite.

    When I arrived at the range, I broke the gun down briefly only to inspect all the pieces and lube the rails. The gun I purchased could have been on that shelf for months and I did not want friction to be an issue. I loaded my first 10 rounds…..and every shot seemed to just get better, and better. The 9mm is by no means a huge round, but this thing has almost no recoil. I was able to make nice neat 3-4 inch groups at 25′ out of the box. Some of you might say that isn’t all that impressive, but I am by no means a marksman people. My father instilled a very deep respect of guns in me growing up so I have very little time behind the trigger of a pistol. I then went on to shoot all 250 rounds with this gun, and did not have one…..NOT A SINGLE ONE MISS FIRE. Even my old man was shocked a little. But all that aside, this is what a firearm should do. There should be ZERO thought of “will it go bang” when wielding a weapon, this is why I do not blame the people above for selling off their faulty P250’s. I undoubtedly would do the same.

    I’ve since then shot anywhere from 400-500 rounds now and still have not had a single issue. I’m so very happy with this gun and am saving up to get the .45 ACP x-change kit. I don’t know what problems the P250 may have had in the past, but they must have fixed them. At least they are fixed with mine. I will make sure to report back to you all after I hit the 1500-2000 round mark for an update, but feel confident my joy will remain.

    Thanks for reading.

  • Gunny

    Hey Jason N,

    Congrats on your new pistol. Quick question, did you get the Compact or Subcompact? Your first paragraph says you got the Subcompact, but your 4th paragraph says you fell in love and got the Compact.

    Either way, I’m glad you are having such a positive experience with the pistol. I am having the exact same experience, except I have the 40S&W in the Subcompact frame. I have now shot 750 rounds down range and not a single hiccup along the way.

    Again, Congrats and I wish you continued success with your first pistol. What a great experience for your first time out with your own pistol!

    Gunny

  • I just got my P250 today. I have not had the chance to fire it yet. Hope to do so tomorrow. I have read many of the comments and see that the overall feeling is good for the P250. I had a XD9 and a Glock 19. Both are very reliable guns. About a month ago I purchsed the Tauras slim 709 9mm. I was not happy with that gun at all. I sold it and purchased the P250 based on feedback from you guys.

  • Well I shot the Sig P250 today. It is great!!! I love the trigger pull on this one. It is not to hard or to soft. This is a very accurate shooting gun. I put 200 rounds through it and did not have any problems. I find that it is very comfortable in my hands, which are big. I had problems with the compact xd9, glock 19 and the tauras slim 709. Even though this gun is a bit larger than those, it is still easy to carry concealed.

  • Charles

    I do not now …

    I do not now, nor have I ever had any financial ties to SIIG.

    In 65 years, I have been an active shooter for at least 50.
    I am a life member of NRA, TSRA, JPFO, GOA, VFW, etc., etc., etc..
    I am a retired Field Grade Military Police Officer, and was a certified Deputy Sheriff for years.
    I am NRA certified and have been everything from a certified Hunter Safety Instructor, to a DCM Junior Rifle Team Coach, to the OIC [Officer in Charge] of the 4th Division Pistol Team.
    I am not an accomplished typist, but I do have four [4] earned college degrees from fully accredited American Universities.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Now that we have all of that clap trap out of the way, …
    I would much prefer that the readers / students just approach information with an open mind, evaluate comments/advice honestly, and make their own independent judgments.
    Discussions are welcome and free of charge.
    If you want to rant, rave, insult, and / or argue polemically;
    … please provide your billing information in advance.

    The opinions herein are based upon my experience and the best most current information that I am aware of.
    If binding professional consulting services are desired;
    … please provide your billing information in advance.

    Si vis pacem, para bellum …
    “If you wish for peace, prepare for war.”

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Anyone who follows forums, blogs, etc.; will soon discover that every negative comment in the universe is heralded there.
    Do not panic … it is “normal” human behaviour.
    Read, listen, and THINK !

    Numerous statistical surveys have determined that:
    a satisfied consumer will tell as many as 3 others;
    a dissatisfied consumer will tell at least 7 others.

    Semper Preparatus:
    Training + Practice =======>>> Safety … for all.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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    The Secrets of SIG P250s

    SIG P250s are great pistols:
    Legendary SIG engineering, quality, and reliablity;
    Marvelous ergonomics and handling;
    Feels great & points like your forefinger;
    Fabulously “carryable”;
    Incredibly accurate;
    Brilliant design minimizes felt recoil;
    Extremely easy to clean and maintain;
    Affordable: unusual {unfortunately} for a SIG;
    Etc., etc..

    I have all available SIG P250s in 9mm and 40.
    I especially recommend the 40cal SIG P250 “compacts” for concealed carry.

    When you get your P250, …
    READ the manual.
    Tear it down and figure it out.
    Pay attention to that brilliantly simple fire control mechanism.
    Clean up the slide and barrel …
    just a bit [plain old rubbing {isopropyl} alcohol will do].
    Put a drop of Rem Oil [with Teflon],
    Win Oil [with Break Free], or …
    Liquid Wrench DRY [with PTFE ], or …
    your own favorite gun lube;
    on the slide contact points and the barrel hood where it contacts the slide.

    Make sure there is no ammo within reach and begin to work the action and dry fire to get the feel of the pistol.

    ********************************

    Over the past 50+ years I have gravitated back and forth between: revolvers; …
    and: SA, DA/SA, DAO, and striker pistols.

    All have their strong and weak points; advantages and disadvantages.
    Now imagine a magic combination or blend of all of these.
    No, not perfect, but pretty much the best of all worlds.
    That blend is what you have in the SIG P250s.

    They are pistols with revolver fire control systems.

    The trick to the SIG P250s is to run the trigger like a revolver;
    just keep the trigger moving like you were rolling a barrel over a slab of plate glass … [or a frozen lake] …
    smooth, … smooth, … smooth.

    Do some “ball and dummy” practice.

    Practice laser on wall and “wax bullet” drill:
    get a laser grip “J” frame, or …
    a [LCR-LG] Ruger LCR … [which simulates a P250 trigger fairly well] …
    and some Speer plastic bullets, …
    [or do like the “old timers” and make wax bullets] …
    and practice, practice, practice.

    Perfect your trigger control.
    {Nothing is more obscenely and embarrassingly revealing than the light weight “snubs”.
    Master them, and anything else is a cake walk.}

    That is the secret to all handguns.
    Nothing else is as important as trigger control.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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    Reloading the 357 SIG

    Do not try to use 40S&W brass to reload for 357SIG.

    Early on, when 357SIG brass was hard to get, many reloaders tore out their hair over bullet setback and other problems.

    Brass with a 357SIG headstamp has longer and thicker case walls, necessary to properly grip and hold the bullets.

    The good news is that 357SIG new and once fired brass is now readily available since so many state and federal agencies are now using 357SIG.

    Interestingly, various Mexican federal government agencies [S.D.N., MEXICO, D.F.] are also buying SIG pistols … in 357SIG.

    [This Sig Sauer P226 is a rail model chambered in .357 Sig. It features factory night sights and the nitron finish and the slide is marked S.D.N., MEXICO, D.F.]

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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    The Secret SIG P250 Secrets

    It amazes me that there are untold aftermarket parts to include barrels, grip frames, etc., etc. available for the “PERFECT” pistol.

    To add insult to injury, Glock prices have gone through the roof. So now, after you pony up $500 – $600 for the pistol, you then spend another $500 on improvements.

    I have owned a lot [10 – 12] of Glocks, and I still like some of them … a lot.
    However, I went through a lot more grief with them than I have, so far, with the P250s.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Someone at SIG released the P250 to the public prematurely.
    They should have focused on well supported large order department sales until they got the entire system fielded and debugged.
    Then, it should have been released only through SIG certified dealers.
    Eventually, with proper support in the field, this system has a lot of potential.
    Unfortunately, the jobbers scattered the P250s out with no support and a lot of confusion.

    I have 3 [old style] P250s and a 2Sum kit.

    The grip shell [frame / lower receiver] unit is a $50 expendable.
    The real hit on this *change* is in the magazines.

    If you have a P250, don’t give up.

    When you learn how to run the P250, you will like it.
    It combines the advantages of both revolvers and pistols.
    It is different and there is a serious learning curve, especially for those who have not spent serious time with DA revolvers.
    If you spent serious time with DA revolvers, apply the same techniques to the P250.
    You have to master trigger control.

    If you have a P250, the “2SUM” kit is what makes it a really viable and economical weapons system.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^

    The “2SUM” is a companion kit for someone who already has a P250 Compact, which is what they already sold the most of.

    The “2SUM” contains:
    a fire control unit;
    a Full Size “Exchange kit” [frame, slide, barrel, and mag]; … and
    a Sub Compact “Exchange kit” [frame, slide, barrel, and mag].

    Because there is only one serial numbered fire control, ATF considers the “2SUM” to be one gun.

    With your P250 Compact and your “2SUM” kit, you can assemble any 2 of 3 possible pistols:
    Compact + Sub Compact
    Full Size + Sub Compact
    Full Size + Compact

    Carry the Compact concealed, and the Sub Compact as a back up.

    Carry the Full Size as a duty gun, and the Sub Compact as a back up.

    SIG also sells individual “Exchange kits” which have:
    a frame, slide, barrel, and mag.
    Because there is no serial numbered fire control, ATF does not consider the “Exchange kit” to be a gun.
    It can be sent directly to you, no FFL transfer is necessary.

    The fire control units fit any size, any caliber.

    The “2SUM”s and the “Exchange kits” are caliber specific;
    except that the grip shell [frame / lower receiver] units in 9mm / 40cal / 357SIG, are interchangeable, but are size specific.

    In 45acp the grip shell [frame / lower receiver] units are size specific and are not interchangeable with the 9mm / 40cal / 357SIG grip shell [frame / lower receiver] units.

    ^^^^^^^^^^
    Test:
    Joe Friday lives with his wife and 12 adult children in a 3 room apartment in Kalipornia, Obamerika.
    He is allowed to buy one gun per month.

    In Jan, he bought a [$500] P250 Compact in 9mm;
    and a [$325] Compact “Exchange kit” in 357SIG.

    In Feb, he bought a [$675] “2SUM” kit in 9mm,
    and a [$325] Sub Compact “Exchange kit” in 357SIG.

    In Mar, he bought a [$500] P250 Compact in 40cal,
    and a [$325] Full Size “Exchange kit” in 357SIG.

    In Apr, he bought a [$675] “2SUM” kit in 40cal.

    At the end of each month, what combinations could he assemble, and what was his total cost at that time?

  • Charles

    Free car drawing with SIG purchase:

    http://www.sigsauer.com/CustomerService/SizzlingSummer.aspx

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Aim high;
    even if you fall short, you are still farther ahead than those who never try.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

  • Charles

    Final Exam:

    Joe Friday lives with his wife and 12 adult children in a 3 room apartment above their small Corner Pharmacy
    [and convenience store] in Kalipornia, Obamerika.
    He is allowed to buy one gun per month.

    In Jan, he bought a [$675] “2SUM” kit in 9mm,
    and a [$325] Compact “Exchange kit” in 357SIG.

    In Feb, he bought a [$675] “2SUM” kit in 40cal,
    and a [$325] Full Size “Exchange kit” in 357SIG.

    In Mar, he bought a [$500] P250 Compact in 9mm,
    and a [$325] Sub Compact “Exchange kit” in 357SIG.

    In Apr, he bought a [$500] P250 Compact in 40cal.

    At the end of each month, what combinations could he assemble, and what was his total cost at that time?

    In May, knowing that you are a self defense firearms instructor, Joe retains you to teach his family how to defend themselves, their home, and their storefront business.

    Describe [in detail] your action plan.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    The price of Liberty is unfailing vigilance !

  • George

    I picked up the P250 Subcompact 9mm two weeks ago, and I have mixed feelings. I have put through 100 rnds of Remington with poor results (1 FTE and about 2 times/mag where the trigger fails to catch the hammer), 50 rnds of Winchester with about 3 trigger/hammer issues, and 25 rnds of Federal with no issues. The date on the box was marked “July 29, 2010” so I hoped most of the kinks would be worked out. I am a novice and hope that lack of experience isn’t the issue, so I will give it a good cleaning, hit the range and put through at least 100 rounds of Federal, maybe let a more experienced shooter give me his opinion, and go from there.

    I really like the feel of this pistol and want to keep it, but…..

    I live in an iffy area of Philadelphia and would like to have a reliable weapon for home defense. If this can’t be resolved by defining the part(s) that are causing my issues, I will have to part ways.

  • Lee

    Hi George, I had some FTEs and stove pipes when I first got my P250 compact 9mm but they completely went away after I started paying attention to grip. I think I was limp wristing a bit or something because after hundreds of more rounds I never had a another failure. My very unexperienced opinion is that the P250 should shoot just about any ammo so it is likely not the ammo. Certainly some lubrication might help but I would take a look at your grip, make sure it is firm but not a deathgrip. If you let the recoil move your arms/body back too much the slide will not cycle properly. If you think something is wrong with the gun, especially if you let someone with experience try it and they get jams, just call Sig. It sucks your gun would have to go away to be fixed, but they will have a shipping label emailed to you before you even get off the phone and most likley your gun back in a week.

  • Charles

    Don’t give up.

    From your description, it sounds like you are “short stroking” the trigger.
    If you can borrow / use a revolver, load it with snap caps, and practice rapid fire drill.

    If the problem is with the P250, SIG will make it right.

    The P250 Sub Compact is second to none.
    I have one, and a Ruger LCR, and a Glock 26;
    both of which I like a lot.
    However, the P250 is the one that I want in hand when things get nasty.
    For the money, those are the best sub compacts that I recommend for most situations.

    Find an old time revolver shooter, or, at least, someone who has a lot of trigger time with revolvers.
    Let them give it a workout.

    They are pistols with revolver fire control systems.

    The trick to the SIG P250s is to run the trigger like a revolver;
    just keep the trigger moving like you were rolling a barrel over a slab of plate glass … [or a frozen lake] …
    smooth, … smooth, … smooth.

    Do some “ball and dummy” practice.

    Practice laser on wall and “wax bullet” drill:
    get a laser grip “J” frame, or …
    a [LCR-LG] Ruger LCR … [which simulates a P250 trigger fairly well] …
    and some Speer plastic bullets, …
    [or do like the “old timers” and make wax bullets] …
    and practice, practice, practice.

    Perfect your trigger control.
    {Nothing is more obscenely and embarrassingly revealing than the light weight “snubs”.
    Master them, and anything else is a cake walk.}

    That is the secret to all handguns.
    Nothing else is as important as trigger control.

    {Read my [immediately] previous posts for some helpful info.}

    ^
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    ^ Semper Preparatus:
    ^ Training + Practice =======>>> Safety … for all.
    ^
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    ^

  • Charles

    Please read the comments above.

    When you get the P250 cleaned, be sure to put a [one] drop of RemOil with Teflon …

    [the very small plastic bottle makes it easy to get just a drop] {or one of the quality products} …

    on the frame rails and on the barrel hood where it contacts the slide.

    With no ammo within arms reach, work the action, run the slide back and forth, and dry fire a couple of times.

    Before you shoot again, get some 9mm snap caps and practice dry firing;
    get the feel of “rolling / full stroking” the trigger; with a smooth cycling action.

    Avoid “slapping” the trigger; no abrupt, irregular, jerky motions … smooth , smooth, smooth.

    ^
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    ^ Semper Preparatus:
    ^ Training + Practice =======>>> Safety … for all.
    ^
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    ^

  • George

    Cleaned up the pistol thoroughly, gave it a quick lube, and put through 100 Federal rounds and 50 RWS after work today.

    Not one issue, grouping was getting more consistent, and a few more outings like this will erase any doubt I have.

    I appreciate all the suggestions, guys. Also bought some snap caps and am working with those too.

  • Charles

    Great.
    Please keep us updated.

    The P250 is very different / unique and there is a learning curve especially for folks who did not cut their teeth on DA revolvers.
    Not only do you have the advantages of both revolvers and pistols, but you also have some of the disadvantages / problems of both.

    Pistol problems:
    All new pistols must be properly cleaned and lubed prior to firing.

    Just like all light weight pistols, you must not “limp wrist”.
    You do not need a “death grip”, but you do need to provide a solid shooting “platform” which does not move rapidly enough to cancel out too much of the slide momentum in the recoil to battery cycle.

    Actually, in many cases it is not really the “platform”, but rather inconsistent trigger control [usually “jerking”] that causes the malfunction.

    Revolver problems:
    Trigger control is important with all firearms and is absolutely critical with DA revolvers.

    Do not try to manipulate a revolver / P250 trigger the way you do a 1911 trigger.
    They are totally different.

    On the old classic Colt DA full size revolvers, you could, with years of practice, learn to manipulate the trigger in a “2 stage” mode akin to the old “set triggers” on fine rifles.
    That technique was incredibly accurate, and … with years of practice, … very fast.
    The first stage took it right up to the “breaking point” and then a bare touch dropped the hammer.

    That will not work on a P250.
    Do not try to find “reset” points on the P250,
    there aren’t any, …
    and you will end up breaking your rhythm and “jerking” the trigger.
    Just keep the trigger moving like you were rolling a barrel over a slab of plate glass … [or a frozen lake] …
    smooth, … smooth, … smooth.

    Do not “short stroke” the trigger.
    Allow it to travel full length, backward and forward, while smoothly relaxing and “pressing” the trigger.
    We no longer use the term “squeeze” because people will subconsciously try to squeeze with the entire hand.
    Only your trigger finger should tighten / move.

    Avoid “slapping” the trigger; no abrupt, irregular, jerky motions … smooth, smooth, smooth.

    I have found that the Ruger LCR trigger is great practice for a P250 trigger.

    Get / rent / borrow a Ruger LCR … [which simulates a P250 trigger fairly well]
    … and some “snap caps”
    … and practice “dry firing”.

    Get some Speer “plastic practice bullets”, …
    [or do like the “old timers” and make wax bullets] …
    and practice, practice, practice.

    Go to the range and do some “ball and dummy” practice.

    Get / rent / borrow a laser grip [LCR-LG] Ruger LCR … [which simulates a P250 trigger fairly well]
    … and some “snap caps”.
    Practice “dry firing” with laser on wall and
    … laser tracing the wall to floor and wall to ceiling seams.

    If you can learn to “run” an LCR, you can do wonders with a P250.

    Perfect your trigger control.
    {Nothing is more obscenely and embarrassingly revealing than the light weight “snubs”.
    Master them, and anything else is a cake walk.}
    That is the secret to all handguns.
    Nothing else is as important as trigger control.

  • Lee

    That is great advice and highly coincidental. In addition to my P250, I own a Ruger LCP with a Crimson trace. So I can practice dry firing with that and keeping the laser point in one place, awesome! I haven’t actually fired the LCP yet even though had it several months. My county does not let you bring your own ammo to the range and the only range in town keeps saying they can’t get 380 (yeah right). At least I can use it for something!

  • Dee

    ——————————————————————————–

    The ATF currently has a request for proposal ( RFP ) to switch to a new handgun for all of its agents. Sig Sauer submitted their new P250 pistol for this competition, but it was eliminated by the ATF from the competition after completion of the the first two stages of testing. Of the guns tested, only pistols from Glock and Smith & Wesson went forward to the stage 3 tests.

    Sig Sauer filed an appeal with the ATF about the Sig P250 being eliminated early from the testing. However, the ATF has now rejected their appeal, and only S&W and Glock are going to the final evaluation stage.

    In rejecting the Sig Sauer appeal, the ATF noted the following from their agent test results:

    “11 of the 20 test shooters experienced stoppages with Sig Sauer’s handguns–in some cases, as many as 10 stoppages.”

    The ATF simply found the Sig P250 to be too unreliable for the needs of their agency. If you want to read the full report denying Sig Sauer’s appeal, you can do so here:

    http://www.gao.gov/decisions/bidpro/4023393.htm

  • Lee

    That is a pretty damning report. I wonder what the “stoppages” were. Sig has had plenty of time to get this right, provide fixes/upgrades or whatever to correct any issues. I wonder what is going on with them. It does make me want to go out and get a different gun. All the negative posters on here are saying it is such a piece of crap so I am assuming if I shoot a glock or S&W it will be an amazing world of difference.

  • 4sigman

    I have had my 250 in .40 cal for some time now. I STILL have feeding issues. My 229 NEVER has issues. My issue is feeding, the slide will go back, but the next round will not kick up on the rear into position. After purchasing 4 magazines, the mag is not the issue. Nor their springs. Nor the ammunition. It is NOT the operator, (me), because of my years of shooting pistols, and owning 3 other sigs with no issues. It IS the gun. I don’t care what “IT” is, the gun is unreliabe. Period. And obviously I am not the only one, after reading the DOJ report. Sometimes Germans refuse to admit to a problem….. I see it all the time in the machine tool business.
    Bummer for me, the gun is for sale…..

  • Lee

    I plan to never buy a Sig again. I don’t care how good it is or that the problems just pertain to the P250. I can’t support a company that doesn’t admit a problem and make it right. In the report it is clear they are not even on this planet. When there are 0 gun-induced stoppages for the other 2 and a whole bunch for the sig, being shot by professionals who know how to shoot, that is pretty blatant. And instead of fixing the damnproblem, they protest saying “Well reliability to highly rated in this eval…” What are they thinking?

    I noticed my local gunshop is putting all their P250’s on sale. They said Sig sent them too many. Hmmmm……

    I’d like to try some other 9mm’s now. From what the negative posters say it is night and day, like the glock will shoot all by itself just by mind control and on target each and everytime without even having to aim.

  • Jason

    I bought a P250 compact 9mm a little less than a month ago, without reading any reviews at all. And this thing is awesome!!!!!!!!!!! best gun ive ever owned. Unbelivably accurate even at long range ( 75 to 100 feet ) again ive owned it less than a month and already shot 1250rnds through it ( mix of federal and winchester ) usually 100 – 300 rounds at a time. No hiccups no burps nothing purely reliable, even shooting whole clips rapid fire. I will be buying a caliber exchange kit as soon as I can find one for .45. and plan on buying many many more sigs.

  • John Moore

    We have 4 P250 compacts in .40 S&W and have been dealing with ejecting cartridges striking the shooter in the head. Now a new problem has emerged with the trigger not causing the hammer to fall while dry firing the weapon, it may fall the first time but on subsequent pulls the hammer does not fall. We did a T&E with Sig prior to purchasing the P250 and did not have any problems with jams, or FTE and were shooting Blazer 180gr, and Speer GDHP 155 gr with no problems. Sig has called an wants to replace some parts anyone experiance or hear of the trigger problem yet?

  • Ryan

    Just started using the P250 .45 subcompact model. The trigger pull is clean but stiff, and it will take time to get used to having to do a full reset every shot. The long trigger pull period meant that over an extended time, my shot groups started hitting low. User error. All fresh shots at 30 meters range hit center or near center, accuracy was very good. Doing 100 rounds fired, only one misfire but it was a user error.

    It is difficult for rapid fire, but full disclosure, I’m coming from military and am used to rifles, not handguns. Trigger is a tad long for my taste as well, but it fits well. I have not had the problems that other gun owners on here have had and hope my weapon keeps working as well as it did today.

  • nate

    I have owned a sig p250 for about 6 months now. initialy the sig malfunctioned right out of the box with failure to feed and failure to extract. the weapon jammed about 1 time every 2 mags that were put through it. this lessened the more rounds that were put through it. however I began to notice that somtimes the slide fails to lock open, this has been an increasing problem. I have also noticed that the weapon shoots very low. at first i thought it was me not being used to the DA only trigger however it is not. I have had numerous other experianced shooters fire it with the same problem. I have bench tested it at 50 feet and find on average over 12″ low on target. I gave the gun back to the deal and described the problems, he range tested and uncovered the same issues. The weapon was then sent back to sig.

    today the pistol was sent back from sig with a note saying that the weapon was reange tested by sig and no problems were found. I plan on calling sig tomarro to see what my next course of action is.

  • DA

    Nate,

    I’m having many of the same issues with my 250 … especially the low shots. I’ve been thinking about sending my gun back to Sig, but I’m afraid I’ll get the same response. Does Sig charge some type of shipping fee if they determine the gun is fine … which we know it’s not. Also, I’d be interested in hearing what they have to say when you call them about these issues. I appreciate you sharing … I thought I was the only one with a low shooting gun. I’ve had a few people shoot mine as well … all with the same results.

  • Daria

    I am new to the sport of shooting. Purchased a Walter PK380 early August 2010 and after using it 3 times the gunsmith sent it back to S&W because 1 out of every 5 shots jammed – that is no way to to learn to shoot. So, in the meantime I purchased a Sig Sauer P250. I really enjoy the weapon, however, most of the ejected shells hit my face, chest, shoulder or head. I am starting to anticipate the burn and lose aim accuracy. Any suggestions for a new shooter?

  • George

    After putting about 600-700 rounds through my 9mm SC, I finally thought to check the rounds that wouldn’t fire (would have been cheaper to check this after the FIRST incident and not hundreds of rounds later, but at least I know for next time) ….the primer was struck but no “bang”. The guy at the range said it was bad ammo, but looking at the spent rounds vs the fired, the fired ones appeared to be hit harder. Plus this has happened too often with different manufacturer’s ammo to be it. Like I had stated in my previous post, I am new to handguns, but is it possible the firing pin just isn’t traveling far enough/the firing pin’s spring is too tight/the hammer isn’t falling hard enough?

    I had a shipping label sent to me from Sig, so I hope they can remedy this and not just say the gun is “ok”. In the meantime I’m looking at the Glock 26 and even the Zastava EZ9 226 clone.

  • Don

    After about 2500 -3000 rounds through my P250 it sweetened up. I hated the way it was misfiring and Sig gave me no help except they told me to shoot it. The P250 or any gun should not have a break-in period but mine did. I really have grown to like it and it shoots dead on. Sig Sauer’s slogan ” To Hell and Back Reliability ” must stick in their throat these days when they say it.

  • I have noticed that a couple of stores have reduced the prices on the P-250s around here. I had a .40 cal P250 and it was OK, but I found a deal on a P228 so I sold my P250 and got the 228. Happy days.

  • GEORGE.. if you like 9mm you might like the Sig P6/225 German police surplus as an extra or CC weapon. They can be found at gun shows often for $250-350 and usually include a leather shoulder holster. It is a single stack reliable German Sig 9mm and is deadly accurate and light weight. My wife has one and loves it compared to others she tried. She shot great at the range with it when we got her some lessons on handling the Sig. It is also a great concealed carry due to it’s slimline design. We have shot Federal Premium and Speer through it with never a problem. It is currently loaded with Speer Gold Dot, as is my Sig P228(9mm), Glock 239.40) & Glock 32(.357Sig).

  • Good to see this is still active. I have yet to fire my P250 since I moved to Maryland. I did post up a video of me shooting my P250 sub compact digital camo.

    It’s the DAO period. I think most new shooters should start out firing this weapon in order to understand the operation of a pistol. This gun I believe will help you become a better shooter because it is in fact harder to fire. This is the same theory behind learning to drive. I learned on a manual so automatics didn’t make a difference after I learned how to drive. In the end I’m still driving a car. Well going from DAO to SA is a cinch!

    My first pistol was a Taurus Double/Single Action. Then I bought the Sig P250. The Sig was very accurate but I felt like I had to put more work into making the shot count. Then I purchased a Kimber Ultra Carry II. The Kimber was almost too easy to shoot. Was it because of the DAO practice? I can’t say it was but I did found that the transition was easy. That being said did I trick myself into thinking the DAO was not as good as the Kimber? IMO no way. The P250 is a great pistol and offered much more of a challenge to shoot well which in turn made me a much better shooter.

  • JR

    I have a P250 compact in .45 ACP and absolutely love it. I have had the gun for seven months now (bought new) and have never had a single problem. Got 2,000 rounds throught it and it’s only gotten better. Maybe I got a good one? Or the .45 cals work better?? I don’t know.. Too many people giving horror stories here, so I don’t doubt there was or maybe still are some issues with the P250 design. Remember, production was originally rushed here in the states after the European division wanted more time.?? I also have a P220R and had a few P225’s and a P228 several years ago, so I am a biased Sig fan. I hope all the issues are resolved and the gun remains in production. For what it’s worth – I also own a Glock 19 (lost count I have so many rounds through it!) that has been problem free too.
    Good luck everyone.

  • sam peebles

    Ive been considering buying a sig p250 .357. I like the design, but ive heard the ammunition is hard to find. I also like the kimber .45 acp, but the price is as expensive as my armalite ar-15 . The 250 reviews are also discouraging! Being a newbie to shooting i need some advice. Thanks.

  • Ralph Benante

    I read dozens upon dozens of reviews on the p250 and there was a 50/50 mix. I purchased one last week and finally got to shoot it today. It is the only DAO gun I have ever owned, and was sceptical until I dry fired it in the gun shop. The pull is very smooth, and I will have to admit it felt longer at the range than it did at the shop. My opinion of why that is, is simple. I have been firing SA guns for years(not very often) and my brain was locked into memory of the pull of a single action. I also own a Bursa .380, and Walther p22. I like the other guns, but felt that a 9mm would be more suited for personal protection. When I first shot my Bursa .380 the second round got away from me, and it happened consistantly. I would not want to be in a situation where I would ever have to shoot, but my bigger fear is not being in control of the gun. For that reason I bought the DAO P250 9mm version. I got to the range late and only got to fire off 50 rounds. My overall impression was very good. Like I mentioned the double action pull seemed long, but with practice, I will get used to it like anything else. I have very severe arthritis, and was concerned that a 9mm would cause me problems, especially since the last time I took my .380 to the range I could barely fire 20 rounds before I had to stop. Well with the Sig P250 after firing 50 rounds, I wanted to fire 150 more. My first 10 rounds were all off the paper, and that was because I expected the gun to fire earlier, and even after only 10 rounds the rest were all in the target area. The second 10 were okay, the next 10 were better, and the last 20 were exactly where I wanted them. Don’t get me wrong, I would not have won a medal, but if the target were my assailant, I would probably be the one to walk away unscathed. Like I said I have very severe arthritis, and this gun was very comfortable to shoot. After all the negative comments, I was expecting lot’s of problems, and the only problem I had was that I didn’t have enough time to shoot off another 150 rounds. Based on my limited experience today, but compared to every other gun I have owned, I would definately recommend this gun. The grip is very comfortable, the recoil is very fluid, and the accuracy of the gun is perfect. The misses were the fault of the shooter, and the conditioning of a SA. Anyone claiming that the DAO is a problem, has definately not given this gun a fair trial. I have been shooting for over 40 years, and have fired just about everything out there. I can understand people making negative comments on the DAO, but I think those comments are without merit. If you are used to driving a small sports car, and switch to an SUV you are going to notice a difference in the handling, but after a few hundred miles you will master it. The same holds true for the P250.

  • Gunny

    Hello sam peebles,

    One must make their own personal opinion when it comes to personal protection and the handgun they use to accomplish that personal protection. You must also take reviews as a consideration, but not by any means the final say so. As anything else, use the reviews as a tool, but you must consider the date range as well. This hand gun (Not so much the Subcompact as it was released to the masses in the early part of the 2nd Qtr of 2010) had issues when it first hit the streets, from a wide range of issues. When this hand gun hit my local shop (who notify me via email whenever they get in a hand gun meeting my criteria) in the middle of May 2010 I was very happy. It is the Subcompact, which was my #1 prerequisite, it is a SigSauer under $750.00 being my #2 prerequisite, the sighting system must be night sites being my #3 prerequisite and last on my prerequisite list it must be a .40 S&W in caliber. So I purchased it on the spot and brought it home. I than dry fired for several days prior to the range as (with many) this is my FIRST DAO hand gun. I was a bit hesitant about this, but that was laid to rest when I fired it. I have several reviews on this site, may want to check them out as well. I have since fired 1500 rounds down range and have not had a single misfire, or jam of any kind. My P250SC has been 100% reliable and I can and have recommended this hand gun on numerous occasions!

    So buy with confidence! IK have also purchased the Large lower receiver since it comes with the small size from the factory (For the SC they only make small and large, with small being the one issued from the factory). The large has made a BIG difference in the way it fits into my hand. When that arrived and installed, it was a hand gun made in heaven! On my list of things to buy, is the conversion kit for the .357SIG. That will be a sweet deal when that comes in.

    So in conclusion, as I said in the beginning; One must make their own personal opinion when it comes to personal protection and the handgun they use to accomplish that personal protection. You must also take reviews as a consideration, but not by any means the final say so.

  • Alec

    I tried out the 250 around a month ago, we fired around 2,000 rounds with the gun and we where all very dissapointed, compared to the PX4 and the G19, (the two other guns we where firing that day) the 250 jammed around 30 times, it wasn’t as accurate as the other 2, and no comments about the trigger (maybe someone likes it)…

  • Ralph Benante

    I went to the range last night and fired 250 rounds. I tried one box of Russian ammo a guy at Walmart said was very good. Never again. Nothing but jams. After shooting this gun for the second time, and getting used to the DOA it shot beautifully using PMC 115gr. No jams, no misfires and everything in the inner circle. I love this gun, the best one I ever ownd. I guess it’s all a matter of preference, but I can’t understand anyone not loving this gun, especially the DOA. The control I get with this gun is better than anything else I own. It’s my first Sig, and will definately not be my last, as long as it’s DOA..

  • Tangle

    Trigger control? Accuracy? I made this video and posted it on YouTube in direct response to the claims of inaccuracies of the P250. BTW, the helmet is to hold the helmet cam, not for safety:

  • Dee

    Tangle,

    Nice shooting! I also think its very impressive that you took all the time to set up this video! Now lets get down to brass tacks. Trigger control… yes trigger control. You clearly have a lot of time there, can you do the same thing with some time constraints? Say the FAMS Triple Nickel…

    5 targets at 5 yards in 5 seconds, each target must be engaged twice and the shooter must reload after target one and before target five.

    Scoreable area is the 4/5 ring on Tran Star-II or the outer bottle for QIT targets and all line shots are considered misses regardless of which side they are on.

    Until any of the the guys I know can complete this task with this firearm.. I say its sub par! Not to mention the failed BATF test which is the normal shooter. The fact of the matter is the FAM’s don’t want this gun. Out of the 3 test for a new firearm the first 2 test groups selected the M&P! When you don’t get the answer you want try another group and stack it the way you want to get the answer you want!

    Accuracy…not many people can say it’s really not accurate SIG has always made and accurate gun. I’ve hit 6 inch plates at 100 with my 229. No matter how you dress this gun up the SIG P250 is nor will it ever be a gunfighters gun.

    Why in the world has no other agency adopted such a flawed designed?
    The FAMS purchased this firearm based on it’s old SS ties with SIG! No Agent, Cop or Military man worth his weight would in good faith purchase this firearm for the masses. Don’t take my word for it talk to the people who are worried to death about being issued this firearm… The flying FAM!

    Again nice shooting and thanks for taking the time to set up all EQ!

  • Tangle

    Thanks, Dee, but the quals for an Air Marshall that we did in my Advanced Tactical Pistol class at Gunsite does not include a triple nickel drill and I could have easily, easily qualified with the P250. In fact, I know of no quals that include or require a triple nickel. If it did it would disqualify all the average officers in LE – no matter what kind of trigger they shot it with.

    BTW, you asked, “Why in the world has no other agency adopted such a flawed designed?”
    Well, first flawed is your opinion. Many would claim the DA/SA design is flawed; many claim the Glock trigger is flawed. The DAO of the P250 is no more flawed than a DAO revolver or shooting a DA revolver in DA mode.

    And, the Hong Kong Police Department selected the P250 for their duty weapon.

    You have made the same erroneous assumption about my shooting that others that don’t like DAO triggers also have, that is that I’ve spent a lot of time shooting DAO triggers.

    If you noticed the slides at the end of my video, you’d see where I addressed that very thing. That was one the few times I’ve shot a DAO trigger. I generally shoot SAO or DA/SA triggers – and no better I might add. I tried the same thing with a custom 1911 and didn’t do as well. I shot my M&P .45ACP in the same way and didn’t do as well.

    Here’s how I warmed up to the DAO trigger after 10 years of SAO and DA/SA almost exclusively. One day at the range, I realized I needed to practice with the DA mode of my Sig 226 DA/SA. To my surprise, I was more accurate with the DA than the SA.

    Then I took my 686 revolver to the range and was dumbfounded to discover how accurate I was with the DA trigger. By double action I mean I wasn’t cocking the hammer. I was so impressed that I took my 686 to Gunsite with me for the 5-day Advanced Tactical Pistol course.

    One drill was to go from the low ready when the target turned and shoot as many rounds as you can into the target in 1-1/2 seconds. I emptied my revolver everytime with time to spare and my tweaked trigger on my 686 is not as good as my stock trigger on my P250s.

    I just shot my new P250 side by side with my M&P with an APEX DCAEK trigger enhancement kit in it. I shot more accurately with the P250 and have pics to prove it.

    However, I do suspect that the split times may be a bit slower for a DAO trigger, but that would not only depend on the type of trigger the DAO was being compared to but also to the techniques of the shooter.

    If the FAM are worried, I think they can relax, I doubt they’ll ever see a triple nickel and they will easily pass their quals with a P250 if they can shoot at all. In fact they may be pleasantly surprised as more and more shooters are when they shoot the P250.

    There have been some startup issues with the P250 that Sig has or is correcting. We can be thankful the FAM didn’t choose gen 4 Glocks – that would have been a mess. I’m aware of one PD that had to give up on the gen 4 G22s and swap them back to Glock for gen 4 G17s. You know it’s serious when a PD swaps down in caliber. They just couldn’t get the G22s to work reliably. But, I have every confidence that Glock will eventually get the problem straightened out.

    Remember when the M&Ps first came out and all the problems they had?

  • Steve

    Purchased and test-fired a new P250 Compact 9mm w/SigLit’s yesterday. I am happy to report there were no failures of any kind using a wide variety of 9mm FMJ/JHP ammo both standard and +P. Accuracy was excellent and could easily hold a 3″ group at 7-yards in my old shaky hands. I only use FP-10 Oil and TWB-25 Lube in all of my firearms and highly recommend these products. The P250 DAO trigger is very “revolver-like” which is outstanding for me having been raised on revolvers. The trigger is long & smooth with no stacking prior to the let-off point. As mentioned in earlier posts, the trigger-reset does require a full return stroke, which again is like a revolver. Will need to train your trigger-finger if transitioning over from DA/SA or one of the various Striker-fired auto-pistols. I had no problem producing rapid double and triple tap strings with this pistol. I feel the P250 will be an excellent holster gun, ready for fast action when needed, and durable to handle the elements when not. I really like the modular design that facilitates easy and complete disassembly for cleaning and de-watering if needed. Time will tell how well the modular FCU holds-up. The grip frame, handle and texturing are perfect for my hands, no aftermarket grip-sleeves needed here. I’m hoping to find a good sale on a sub-compact model for testing and use as a CCW weapon. Compared the size of the P250 slide along-side of my Glock-19, and found that the G19 slide is a tad longer and just a hair wider. With magazines installed, the grip height is just a tad longer on the P250. Some of my G19 holsters will also accomodate the P250, but not many due to the taller frame rail on the more squared-off Sig. For you old revolver fans, try firing your P250 one-handed for target shooting, it’s a blast! Great design and accuracy! Great frame and trigger!! Good job Sig!!!

  • Dee

    Tangle…

    Sometimes my tone does not come through with text, although I try! PLEASE UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM SAYING…THE FAM SERVICE DOES NOT WANT THIS GUN!

    The Hong Kong Police… Are you kidding me? They went from the Colt Detective Special to the SIG P250 which is nothing more then a revolver that jams. They would have been better off staying with the 1927 design!

    Why listen to the guys that have one of the highest shooting standards out of any federal agency!

    No the triple nickel is not a requirement; rather it is test of skill and ability of the shooter. The shooter should not be limited by a weapon system or any equipment in that matter. What b/c you fired the PPC , TPC or APC at gunsight you now have profound insight on the requirements of the service? When you test drive a car do you just drive like your going to church or do you drive it in all conditions?

    Why listen to the testing group of the ATF? 5-10 round failure to feed, fire or eject out of 50 rounds loaded is acceptable to you? Would you bet your life or your kid’s life on that? Wait don’t answer that question… I think you have drank the coolaid on this system.

    ‘Glock Gen 4’s” If one limp wrist any firearm then your gonna get a double feed, a weak spring that can be swapped out in a matter of sec’s fixed that prob. Glock is the AK of pistol world… it runs end of story. People are coming to this sight looking for answers and the bottom line is shame on anyone for steering people in this systems direction.

    “There have been some startup issues with the P250 that Sig has or is correcting.” They have not been fixed and they are in production for people to purchase. FAM training has already sent many of these systems back! SHAME on SIG! This is a life saving tool not a video game.

    As previously stated there is a difference to being able to shoot the gun and having a desire to carry this system.

  • Jim

    I too own a P250 and I too had many issues with it. It now runs well, BUT I have it in the dafe because I couldn’t even get my local gun store to sell it on consignment. When the system runs it course and no flaws are detected I may send it back to Sig for an overhaul. Until then I’ll continue to carry my M&P. I owned Glocks and they preformed as expected but they were not compatibel with my hands. Ergonomic isses if you would. I shoot competitively in IDPA and have had NO issues with the S&W’s. They run too. I had a guy once say that the M&P series and the Glocks are like Ford and Chevy. I own four M&P’s and seven SIG’s. The only one I wouldn’t “bet my life” on is the P250.

    I’m not sure why the long revolver like triger is liked. I admit I own a P250, with hopes of using it as a carry gun. I guess I thought that the extra pull would make it safer, my bad. In a “Dynamic Critical Event” no one is stopping the pull mid stroke. My hat is off to he who can. I’m also unclear as to why one would want a pull that is inherently more detramental to a clean crisp release.

    Good luck with yours. I have to agree you Dee. However I now feel safer if I go to Hong Kong.

  • Tangle

    Tangle…
    Dee:
    Sometimes my tone does not come through with text, although I try! PLEASE UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM SAYING…THE FAM SERVICE DOES NOT WANT THIS GUN!

    Tangle:
    There is a difference in not understanding and understanding oversimplification. I can remember when agencies didn’t want the new plastic Glock.

    But so what if the FAM doesn’t want the P250? ICE didn’t want the Glock because if failed so miserably in the ICE trials. It should come as no surprise that some will be adverse to a DAO trigger. All of us should be adverse to a gun that isn’t reliable. But the reliability issue is far more reaching than just the P250. All the following manufacturers are having or have had problems with new intros:

    Glock – gen 4
    Ruger SR9
    Ruger LCP
    Walther PPK
    Sig 238
    Sig P250
    Colt – recall

    Then not that long ago::
    S&W M&Ps dropped mags due to ‘soft’ mag latch
    XD’s had extractor problems when they were first introduced
    Glock had a whole slew of frame failures
    All Kimber 1911s bought for the LAPD SWAT had to be returned to Kimber for repair.

    After the introduction of the .40 cal, Glock had frame battering problems that lead to metal buffers being inserted in the frame.

    Glock had phase 2 failures that would completely lock up the gun. These were the Glocks supplied to the NYPD.

    Glock had frame failures that lead to the ‘three pin’ Glocks as we know them today.

    If you shoot a Glock too long and too fast, the polymer guide rod will melt.

    So a lot of manufacturers are problems. And yes it is a shame.

    Dee:
    The Hong Kong Police… Are you kidding me? They went from the Colt Detective Special to the SIG P250 which is nothing more then a revolver that jams. They would have been better off staying with the 1927 design!

    Tangle:
    There are some P250s that jam, but there are also lots of happy P250 owners that aren’t having problems. The one’s that are having issues, Sig is paying for return shipping, fixing the problem(s) in a very timely fashion, just like Ruger, Walther, Colt, et al are having to as well.
    But you do make a good point about the P250 trigger system: it is and was designed by intent to be a revolver trigger in a semi-automatic. However the DAO trigger is better than most DA triggers in revolvers.

    Speaking of revolvers and triple nickel drills, both S&W and Ruger are producing what kind of guns for a market that seems to gobble them up? The answer is DAO revolvers! S&Ws latest is the Body Guard 38 and Ruger’s latest is the LCR – both DAO. So anything we say negative about a DAO trigger on a P250 applies double for these popular guns. One, they have the same trigger, except not as good as the P250, and look at the horrendous implication for the limitation of design – the things only hold five rounds. Wonder what the chances would be in doing a triple nickel with one of these? But does that mean everyone that carries revolver will not be able to defend themselves? Certainly not.

    Yet here’s the P250 with a revolver trigger and high capacity condemned because it’s a DAO and yet shouldn’t that condemn all revolvers for the same reason?

    Dee:
    What b/c you fired the PPC , TPC or APC at gunsight you now have profound insight on the requirements of the service? When you test drive a car do you just drive like your going to church or do you drive it in all conditions?

    Tangle:
    You know, I don’t believe I’ve ever test driven a car to its limits, so yes, I pretty much drive it the way it will be driven to see if it meets my requirements. It doesn’t have to qualify for NASCAR racing.

    And I do have the profound insight that tells us there probably are very, very few officers that can perform a triple nickel with any gun, much less their duty gun. Further they are not limited necessarily by the gun, but by their skills. One new owner of a P250 actually got a higher score on his quals than he expected to. From that point forward he was sold on the P250.

    And no, it’s not from my training experiences alone, but also from looking at expectations from qualifying drills for different agencies, etc. I even got to try a FAM qual with my revolver and almost did it in time.

    Dee:
    Why listen to the testing group of the ATF? 5-10 round failure to feed, fire or eject out of 50 rounds loaded is acceptable to you? Would you bet your life or your kid’s life on that? Wait don’t answer that question… I think you have drank the coolaid on this system.

    Tangle:
    There’s no kool-aid involved. Right now I’m carrying an M&P 9mmf with a DCAEK and RAM kit in it. If not that then often a Glock 17 with a Ghost Rocket connector in it. If not that, one of the eight 1911s I built from scratch. The P250 is a late addition for me but I do like what I’m seeing. It is very accurate, love the way it feels in my hand, the trigger is about as smooth and light as a revolver trigger can get and for some reason I can’t explain, it seems to carry lighter than my G17.

  • Tangle

    Oh, I forgot one, the M&P, as we speak, is having a sear bounce issue that shows up when the slide and frame fit loosens and the sear spring weakens over time. The gun will not reset when that happens, hence the gun cannot fire.

    So all this focus on the P250 having problems is quite narrow sighted when we realize the entire QC is almost at the plague level due to a lot of manufacturers having reliability problems.

    Glock seems to have had more issues over the years than any other gun and yet most of us would trust our life to them.

    So when the current stock of bad parts for the P250 is culled out and those models that were manufactured with bad parts are upgraded with the redesigned parts, I think we can expect Sig reliability.

  • Lee

    I think that FAM report is signficant. But my guess is if you look on glock history you will find the same thing where there were problems in the design that were later corrected. I have now put thousands of rounds through mine with no failures. Maybe I should join FAM since I can handle a gun they can’t;-)

  • Dee

    Lee,

    “Maybe I should join FAM since I can handle a gun they can’t;-)”… You have to be kidding me! I know you are kidding right? I will take any FAM or better yet let you pick any FAM out of the entire service and bet my entire months paycheck that he will QUAL with the weapon system. However the fact remains WE DO NOT WANT IT! If you want to bet your life on the system then feel free. I for one will not be! BTW in my office there have been a number of 300’s with this system however when almost every instructor down to the letter is ANTI P250 then it’s a wash!

    Tangle,

    We have been putting round after round through this system, we are still having problems, and yes at this point I ‘d rather have a revolver. You don’t give a system that does not have the problems, bugs or what ever you want to call them to guys that are going need it in a gun fight. This is not another GOV bailout for a failed designed!

    Glock – gen 4
    Ruger SR9
    Ruger LCP
    Walther PPK
    Sig 238
    Sig P250
    Colt – recall

    None of these systems should go forward if they have issues. The time to solve the problems is not on the street. I’m sorry if you think so but I won’t support it! With all the teaching or schools I’ve ever been to, I’ve never seen one instructor that could teach or shoot come to the range with a system that is flawed… that’s simple economics!

    Why in the first 2 test of the FAMS did they select another system? (M&P) Then in the 3d test again we again selected the M&P but yet another firearm was purchased. People should be going to jail over this injustice! While I’m no fan of SIG I’ll take my 229 to war anytime over this P250!

    T-
    And I do have the profound insight that tells us there probably are very, very few officers that can perform a triple nickel with any gun, much less their duty gun. Further they are not limited necessarily by the gun, but by their skills. One new owner of a P250 actually got a higher score on his quals than he expected to. From that point forward he was sold on the P250.

    Dee-

    Its clear that you can shoot, and b/c I’m a above average shooter myself I can also attest that its not my abilities or skills that hold me back but the system I guess we will have agree to disagree. Not one person I know or respect would elect to go to the show with the P250! One guy you know shot better with his P250 and then he’s sold, I guess all my points are not worth the paper its written on and we should not take into account entire “Agency’s” perspective!

    Again this is not just my view (b/c I’m clearly not a fan) concerning the P250 but rather its several agency’s entire training staff that are anti P250! You can’t discount the guys on the street!

  • Tangle

    Dee:
    We have been putting round after round through this system, we are still having problems, and yes at this point I ‘d rather have a revolver. You don’t give a system that does not have the problems, bugs or what ever you want to call them to guys that are going need it in a gun fight. This is not another GOV bailout for a failed designed!

    Response:
    No one has so much as even hinted that we should give anyone defective guns. But in full contrast to the single FAM phenomenon, there are a lot of P250 owners that are not experiencing any failures of any kind. One guy has 20,000 rounds through his and has not had a failure of any kind. Further he even refused to change the recoil spring as advised by Sig, because he wanted to see what would fail first. More and more P250 owners are posting they are not having problems. More and more owners are posting that they have had problems and sent the guns to Sig and they haven’t had any problems since.

    That doesn’t excuse, rationalize, or nullify the experiences of the FAM. However, it does indicate, contrary to your claim, that the design is faulty. Since the design stands solid with updated parts, the true indication is that the design per se is sound, but the implementation is faulty and now that’s being worked out. A pre-mature introduction? Yes. QC problems? Yes, just like many other gun manufacturers right now including Glock. But in your mind, none of that seems relevant. It is abundantly clear that you would judge the P250 faulty if it fired 100,000 rounds without a failure simply because it has a DAO trigger.

    I don’t carry my P250 .45 or 9mm right now because I haven’t had time to prove the reliability. But, when I’ve fired 1000 rounds through them without a failure, I will begin to carry them.

    This reminds me of the three blind men experiencing an elephant for the first time. The each stood at different places and began to feel the elephant to sense what it must be. The first touched a leg and said, “It’s like a tree.” The second touched the elephants side and said, “It’s like a wall.” The third touched the elephants tail and said, “It’s like a snake.”

    We are getting different impressions because we are having different experiences just like the blind men.

    Again, no one denies the FAM is/has had problems with the P250. OTOH, a PD after working with Glock could not get the gen 4 G22s to work and swapped them for gen 4 G17s, Where’s all the equal condemnation for gen 4 Glocks?

    Dee:
    None of these systems should go forward if they have issues. The time to solve the problems is not on the street. I’m sorry if you think so but I won’t support it! With all the teaching or schools I’ve ever been to, I’ve never seen one instructor that could teach or shoot come to the range with a system that is flawed… that’s simple economics!

    Response:
    First I agree 100%. I concur that Sig, Ruger, Glock, Walther, Colt marketed some guns prematurely and they’ve all had massive problems, especially Glock.

    How quickly we forget that Glock did the very thing you refer to to the NYPD with G-19s that wouldn’t work. These were issue guns and they experienced phase 2 lockups. Glock had to run CNC machines 24/7 to get the fixes in. Where were all you guys then when you should have been yelling faulty design, faulty design, like you are with the P250.
    And, yet, now the G19 phase 2 thing is so far in the past that few even remember it. Now Glock is doing the very same thing you’re claiming Sig did. That in no way rationalizes that, but merely reveals that a lot of gun manufacturers are in fact doing the same thing you accuse Sig of. Sig is not the only one. Remember the Kimber 1911 LAPD SWAT fiasco? They delivered guns that were faulty; but that doesn’t mean the design was faulty.

    So in 10 years, if the P250 is still around, do you think these problems will just be viewed as a bump in the road, just like the phase 2 problems with Glock? Yet to the NYPD officers, at the time, just like the P250 with the FAM now, the G19 problems were a nightmare.

    Dee:
    Why in the first 2 test of the FAMS did they select another system? (M&P) Then in the 3d test again we again selected the M&P but yet another firearm was purchased. People should be going to jail over this injustice! While I’m no fan of SIG I’ll take my 229 to war anytime over this P250!

    Response:
    Now that we see that many manufacturers, especially Glock, have done the very same thing as Sig, don’t you think they should be cell mates?

    Tangle:
    And I do have the profound insight that tells us there probably are very, very few officers that can perform a triple nickel with any gun, much less their duty gun. Further they are not limited necessarily by the gun, but by their skills. One new owner of a P250 actually got a higher score on his quals than he expected to. From that point forward he was sold on the P250.

    Dee-
    Its clear that you can shoot,

    Response:
    Thank you, that is an accurate perception.

    Dee:
    …and b/c I’m a above average shooter myself I can also attest that its not my abilities or skills that hold me back but the system I guess we will have agree to disagree.

    Response:
    But I don’t disagree with that at all. That’s not what I said. I never mentioned anything about what you or highly trained people can do. I fully expect that I can’t get 0.15 second splits with any DAO semi (Glock excluded although it is technically a DAO) or revolver. E.g. I was clearly limited by my revolver in the FAM qual drills, not b/c I shot it exclusively in DA, but because I lost time in the speed reloads, which of course it is a misnomer to call a revolver reload a speed reload – it isn’t.

    But, in the overall picture, few with minimal training will be limited by a DAO trigger or the gun. In fact, I have observed that many people actually shoot better with a good, and I emphasize good here, meaning a smooth 6 lb pull, DA trigger than a SA auto. I have seen people, including myself after years and years of training on Glock and Sigs that when I switched to a revolver, a 686 (I did modify the trigger a bit), I was dumbfounded to discover I could hit targets easier and just as fast. Again, split times are not quite as fast if that’s a deal breaker.

    But for minimally trained people, a DAO gun may be more that adequate and offer benefits, like a simplified manual of arms over SA and DA/SA guns.

    Dee:
    Not one person I know or respect would elect to go to the show with the P250!

    Response:
    Maybe you don’t know the right people. But for the sake of clarity, would you go to the show with a gen 4 G22? Because I know a whole PD that won’t.

    Dee:
    One guy you know shot better with his P250 and then he’s sold, I guess all my points are not worth the paper its written on and we should not take into account entire “Agency’s” perspective!
    Again this is not just my view (b/c I’m clearly not a fan) concerning the P250 but rather its several agency’s entire training staff that are anti P250! You can’t discount the guys on the street!

    Response:
    Come on Dee, you know better. The one person, as you put it, doesn’t represent the whole, but a sample of the population. As I stated before, I have experienced that personally, and seen it in others as well.

    Certainly no one is questioning the agencies experiences, their biases may be suspect, as we see your bias through your own words. There are several ‘issues’ in play here. One, you don’t like DAO triggers. Two, is the experience the FAM are seeing the norm or an anomaly, just as the problem the PD had with the gen 4 G22s or the massive failure of gen 3 Glocks in the ICE tests? Three, do the problems that owners see represent a flawed system or flawed parts – there’s a huge difference. And right now Sig is making P250s work by replacing parts rather than the system. Glock OTOH, seems to be bordering on a design issue since one problem they have is the Gen 4 G22s jamming with WMLs mounted. A frame rigidity issue perhaps? Now that’s a design issue.

    A fourth issue with the P250 is will Sig get the bugs out such that the P250 is ‘off the shelf’ as reliable as any other gun.

    And to no small degree, once the bugs are out (IF) and (IF) the P250 is proven reliable, the success of the Sig P250 may simply come down to the acceptance or rejection of the revolver trigger action.

  • Gunny

    WOW, this blog reminds me of a song I heard in the movie “Beverly Hills Cops” called the “Heat is On”, LOL….

    Anyway, after hearing or rather reading how active this blog has become as of late, I figured an update was overdue, so here is the short of it… Back in May 2010, I sold my Taurus PT145 Millennium Pro, which I had purchased back in Dec 2008 (was the best gun I could afford at the time). On June 3rd, 2010, I was at my local Gun Shop (with $$ from the sale and savings) with the intent on buying a new handgun to Conceal Carry 24/7, replacing the Taurus PT145 Millennium Pro, which was recently sold. So there I was checking out the new additions of Compacts and Subcompacts’, within my price range of course. I had always aspired to own a Sig Sauer, but they were usually out of my price range. Some used guns were close to what I could afford, but I have always steered away from used, since I was laying down my hard earned bucks, I wanted new, never touched and in the sealed box from the factory. So I was at the counter checking out the Sig Sauer Compacts and discussing my needs and price range. While I was there, the UPS came in with a small shipment of firearms. The person helping me stepped off to the side to handle the UPS delivery. After receiving the shipment, he took the shipment to the back for processing. About 15 minutes +/- he returned to the counter carrying a fairly large blue plastic case. As he approached me he said, “I have just want you want” and he handed me the case. I immediately noticed he handed me a Sig Sauer and I quickly broke the seal (Gun shops seal) and opened the case. A brand spanking new Sig Sauer P250 Subcompact in a .40 S&W! It was the first shipment they had received of the Subcompact line and there was only one 9mm and one .40S&W. The caliber’s I was looking for were .45 ACP or the .40 S&W, I had no desire to own a 9mm. So as I checked out the P250, it was a beautiful handgun to behold and it fit my hand like it was custom made just for me. Since it was exactly what I wanted; Subcompact, .40 S&W, Sig Sauer, 10 round mag and Nite Sights to boot. Everything on my short list was checked off, but one, the price. I was afraid to ask how much it was since I really wanted to take this handgun home that night. So I asked the big question, “So what is the damage due on this beauty, I asked the salesman. He didn’t know off the top of his head, so he looked it up on the computer. After about 5 minutes (seemed like hours, LOL) he said, “after speaking to the boss and with your discounts, you’re taking it home tonight”! The package price fit nicely into what I had to spend, with some left over. So I walked out of that evening with; My P250 Sig Subcompact, 4 boxes of Hornady Custom 180 grain XTP, 4 boxes of Hornady Critical Defense 165 grain FTX, 1 Blackhawk Hip Holster, 1 Fobus Evolution Roto-Paddle Holster. That was a day I made a large withdrawal From the Karma Bank and Trust, talk about being at the right place at the right time. I have since purchased; a Kramer Scabbard Belt Holster and Confidant Shirt Gun Holster, Kramer Double Mag Pouch, a Sig Sauer Double Mag Pouch, 4 additional Sig Sauer .40 S&W magazines (totaling 5) and various assortments of ammo totaling 1500+ rounds. I have flawlessly fired in excess of 1500 rounds down range without a single incident.

    I have no doubt that when the P250 line was released, many issues followed, but I firmly believe they have since been rectified with the guns being produced by them currently. For example, I heard from various people in various forums that the P250 had a plastic recoil spring guide and trigger. People obviously were having problems with those plastic parts and many were purchasing those parts after the P250 purchase from the aftermarket folks. My P250 Subcompact has a metal trigger and a metal recoil spring guide. It also has the updated trigger housing and grips, all of which lend credence that Sig Sauer has gotten this line in shape with the NEW guns rolling out and are quickly fixing those early guns if need be and FREE of charge, which includes S&H. My P250 has a DOB of April 2010, matter a fact; this is the first pistol I have ever owned that has a DOB so close to the purchase date. As I understand it from my local gun shop, the Subcompact line didn’t roll out until late in the 1st Qtr of this year, stating that Sig had announced it was making changes to the P250 line so all problems would be resolved with any pistol carrying a DOB of 2010 and late 2009. Additionally, I do not recall hearing any complaints involving the Subcompact line. I can attest that my P250 Subcompact is extremely accurate, easy to take down and clean, easy to put back together, has had no incidents with the 1500+ rounds fired down range and I carry it concealed and open, every time I leave my home. This signifies that I can trust my life and the lives of others with this pistol. If I could not achieve a comfort level of 100%, I simply would not carry the gun, no if, ands or buts about it. It must be right on track 100% of the time and I must have mastered it to a level of 100% before I will carry any gun. This gun has gone through the same drills and I with it, and we have both not only concluded at 100%, but I can attest, I will and do trust this gun with my life. What more is there to say?????

  • Dee

    Tangle you say “single FAM phenomenon” how about the ATF? Guess two Agency’s thoughts are not good enough for you. You justify Sig’s actions buy pointing to problems with Glock. All of our P250’s were just recalled for a faulty Trigger bar’s… oddly enough that’s the same problem they had when they first hit the market (as noted in Shotgun news) several years ago. I guess a group of trainers all must be wrong!

    “Maybe I don’t know the right people…” I take offence to this statement however b/c you have your infinite wisdom, I guess hanging around world class shooters and tactical operators is a bad group of people to learn from. Just so you know that’s my attempt at sarcasm!

    “Would I go to the show with the Glock 22?”
    I will say this I did deploy with my Glock 17 and later the 19 and they worked fine. However I would have much rather of had a diff caliber but that’s a totally different topic Again you justify Sig’s problematic design with the problems that glock is suffering from. That’s like saying I’m gonna jump off the bridge b/c everyone else is!

    Your right I am Bias about having a life saving tool…. I want one that’s gonna work! As stated I’m no fan of SIG but I trust my 229 all day long!

    “And to no small degree, once the bugs are out (IF) and (IF) the P250 is proven reliable, the success of the Sig P250 may simply come down to the acceptance or rejection of the revolver trigger action.”

    ONCE and IF… BUGS ARE OUT and acceptance or rejection of the revolver trigger action…. Trigger reset and prep! Your talking about taking an entire generation of shooters and changing what they learned or been taught since day one! That’s kind of a problem! Go back to your basic 7 fundamentals its gonna have a huge impact! You are absolutely killing me! It’s just not me I’m not the end all be all but every instructor I know that’s upwards to 20 or so are anti P250 for a gunfight! INSTRUCTORS! Not average Joe, not anyone that profits from the sale, people who care about training so that at the end of the day the good guys win and the bad guys lose!

  • Tangle

    Dee,
    I think you’re reading things in to what I saying and getting confused. First, I don’t know, but I suspect that the BATF and the FAM were similar issues that by fixing one, it may have fixed the other as well.

    As far as jumping off the bridge, I think that’s an example of the reading into I was talking about. The simple point was that it’s not only Sig that are having production problems. It seems to be a plague right now, it was not a justification of Sig, it was a condemning statement of all manufacturers that are doing the same thing.

    The reason I included those manufacturers is you were making it sound like nobody else in LE is having problems with any other manufacturers, and of course we know that isn’t true. Maybe I ‘read into’ your statements.

    If I were a FAM, and I could easily pass their shooting quall test with a P250 and so could you, I would not want the P250 either. Not because it has a DAO trigger, but because it has no history of service and does have introductory problems.

    It doesn’t help any when you determine if a gun is suitable or not based on whether it can do a triple nickel or not. I’ve already elaborated on that so I won’t repeat it.

    It is difficult for me to believe that Sig will just never be able to fix the P250, because owner after owner after owner is reporting reliability after Sig fixes the problem. So it does appear that the problem(s) are fixable. Sig’s entire approach to the P250 as far as premature introduction, and continued manufacturering and distribution is very puzzling. But, it does appear they are on an ongoing mission to fix any problems.

    So assuming the P250 reaches the reliability leve it should have before it was introduced, those that like the DAO trigger, revolver shooters for example, seem to really like the P250. Those that are acclimated to some other trigger system will not like the P250, but then they wouldn’t like a DA revolver either.

    As to it’s acceptance in LE and agencies I simply don’t know. I know the ICE officers carry a long DAO trigger – the DAK, and seem to be fine by it.

    But, I realistical am not expecting a lot of acceptance for the P250, but that doesn’t mean it won’t have a following, just like the PX4 is not widely accepted, the Beretta 92 is not found in many LE holsters any more, yet Beretta has several variations of the 92 for the civilian market; they probably aren’t hot sellers but so what? Many people, civies, like the P250, you can take a look a Bud’s reviews and see they are very positive.

    As far as the P250 for SD, it’s better (asuming reliability is there) than a DA revolver that a lot of folks still prefer.

  • George

    So my P250 is now a paperweight. I picked up a NIB Zastava EZ9 (that 226 clone from EAA) at a gun show for just under $300, thought it might not perform since it wasn’t as tight as the Sig (slide has a little side-to-side travel, magazine had metal burrs on it, and the trigger in DAO was not that smooth to begin with). WRONG.

    Seriously – the EZ9 blew my mind. 500 rounds feeding it ANYTHING in 9mm para and this thing will not fail. Single action is brilliant. Ambidextrous decocker/slide catch and mag release are great.

  • Dwight

    Purchased the compact P250 in 40 cal yesterday; 1000 rounds fired today with zero misfires, hangs, or ejection issues….and all in the kill zone from 5 to 20 yards. Will reload and do it all again ASAP.

  • Tangle

    And now this interesting development:

    This a quote from Guns Magazine, January 2011 edition, page 43, under heading “Reliability”:

    “The P250 recently passed a torture test by a large West Coast agency with flying colors, and insiders there tell me it will soon be approved for their personnel (they’re just waiting to test a striker-fired version of the P250 now in development). I’ve tested three of the four calibers, but not the .357 SIG. The Federal Air Marshals have adopted the .357 version of the P250, and FAM has very high reliability testing standards. The several P250s I’ve seen in the hands of my students in classes and fellow shooters at
    matches have all worked fine.”

    It is actually an article on the 2Sum. You can read the entire article online.

  • Gunny

    Tangle on 13 Dec 2010 at 10:11 am

    This is a posting long overdue! I am so glad that some of the big boys are seeing what I have been seeing, that in 2010, Sig finally started geting their P250 act together. The difficult part I would have imagined, is how to fix all of the ones already out in the hands of the people. However, they seem to be righting a wrong, finally!

    What kinda makes me happy is they tested the 2sum, 1 of which is the “Subcompact”, which was released earlier this year. I own one and proudly wear it everyday, it has been nothing but good for me, but I believe since the Subcompacts came into the picture at the tail end, they were basically able to work out all of the kinks prior to public disbursement.

    Anyway, a Great Article and Thanks for Sharing……

  • Tangle

    Shoot I just realized I forgot to mention who the author was – it was written by MassaD Ayoob.

  • Dbro

    So I am a first time gun owner now. Just purchased the P250 40 from a friend who’s wife bought it for him last christmas. Not a round has been chambered yet. I’m curious after reading all these if I should just give it back to him. Got it for home protection. Paid him $350 which seems like a steal when I know he paid $700 last year and never shot it once.

    Should I keep this gun or just buy myself something new? I won’t be putting thousands of rounds thru this gun nor have I shot many in the past to compare it to. Just would like some advice on the matter.

  • Gunny

    Dbro,

    I don’t know which model you have, but most of the problems were with early releases and with the full size version. There are 3 versions; full, compact and subcompact all of which offer a variety of chambers. I have the Subcompact version and have fired over 1500 rounds without a hiccup. You’ll find people who Love it (as I do), and people who hate it, as with any handgun. You may want to call Sig Sauer and give them the serial number, asking if there are any known issues with your particular handgun. This will be of great benefit and a worthy call. If I were you, I would take it to the range, maybe with your friend, and put some rounds down range. This is the only way you’ll be able to tell if the handgun fits you and you are comfortable with it. In one aspect your pretty lucky, as a 1st time gun owner, you don’t yet have a trigger style deep rooted in your brain, unlike many of us. The P250 is a “Double Action Only” handgun and one of the BEST trigger pulls out in the market!

    All of that said, to say this, give it a chance and see where it leads you. My 2 cents, if everything above works out correctly, I would hold onto the gun if it were me.

    Gunny

  • T.Morris

    Looking for 10rd mags. I have a full size P250 in .40
    Need 10rd mags

  • Jim

    Why do you want ten round mags? Are you living in California? If you are, I’m sorry for that condition, but there is a solution that I will entertain at another time. If you need ten tounders for competition, IE IDPA, then just load to ten. There you go problem solved. Your welcome.

  • Dbro

    Thanks Gunny. I will keep you posted on how this thing fires.

  • T.Morris

    Live in NY. Need 10 rd mags for full size .40

    Thanks

  • RC

    Traded a Glock 21 in 40 a P250 compact in 45 the other week.

    Shoots great every time. Hits where I aim

    What more could a person want?

    RC

  • T.Morris

    P250 Full Size and Subcompact in .40

    No failures to date in either configuration. 500 plus rounds in both. All types of ammo.

  • Dee

    ‘Big boys on this thread , sigs getting there act together with the P-250, most of the problems came from early production full size models. ” Ok I think you guys are seriously feeding off each other here. 90 % of the test guns broke! Production has stopped! The p250 is to little to late for the polymer game! As I was out at the 11 shot show where Sig was talking about the 290… What happened to the 250? The gun of the future has lost all its hype! The Fams are trying to distance themselves from this system…. Not one is in the field!

  • Mikesguns86

    The Question to ask dee is when was the FAM testing? If it was with early model p250s then i can understand the issues, but if they did it recently then problems with p250s have not been solved. Im a avid gun owner and looking to buy a p250 .45. i am look for input on this one because i have a ruger p345 and im not looking to buy lots of different ammo. I have heard good things about sig sauer but they are pricey on most of their pistols. P250 is cheaper but made by sig so if figure its worth a shot. I believe in sig fixing their problems with this pistol for the most part that they are relied upon by lots of federal agencies with there other pistols. If they could not be trusted to fix the problem why would they have so many contracts with u.s. army or the navy seals. If anyone out their has any input on the .45 please post. i dont want to spend a $1000 on a p220.

  • Gunny

    Mikesguns86,

    I have the P250 SubCompact in 40 S&W & 45ACP. I used the one platform for both calibers and I’m very happy. I have put over 1500 rounds of 40S&W and about 500 45ACP down the barrel, all of which worked without a hiccup! No problems what so ever and could not be happier. Of course I am using quality ammo and no reloads. The ammo I use is; Hornady “Custom” and “Critical Defense”. I have tried others, but this ammo works the best for me, especially the “Critical Defense” (http://www.hornady.com/ammunition/handgun). Since the SubCompact model was released in quantity to the public back in Mar-Apr 2010 time frame, they have missed the plights of the early released models and therefore, all of the inherient issues were corrected prior to release. I believe if you research it, you’ll find 2 of the major problems with the P250 were in using “plastic” components in the fire control assembly and the recoil spring guide. The P250 SubCompact has neither of these problems and all components, with the exception of the pistol grip, are metal or a metal subcomponent. I, like you, have wanted a Sig Sauer for many years, but just could not afford the price tag. When the P250 was released I knew it was the pistol I was seeking, but the SubCompact was not initially available, so I waited. Well the wait was well worth it. I can only attest to what I have shot, so I can say with full confidence that the P250 SubCompact is a pistol worthy of carry and use!

    ** As a special note, in case you were not aware, “The Sig Sauer company announced via press release that it had signed a multimillion dollar contract to equip the Air Marshals with its .357 SIG caliber P250 Compact Pistol (circa Dec 2009). This has been ammended, as they now carry the SubCompact as well, allowing the Air Marshal’s the option of carry.

    *** If you have looked for a good leather holster for the SubCompact, you probably found it is very hard to find one. Well I am happy to say that DeSantis is now carrying Leather Holsters in several styles. I just received my order of the F.F.D.O. w/ Lock Hole. Mine was lined and I ordered the lock as well. This is without a doubt one of the finest holsters I have ever owned! I ONLY buy Leather holsters if I know for certain that the pistol in which it will carry will be with me for a long time. Suffice to say, enough said! Here is the link if your interested:
    http://www.desantisholster.com/store/WHATS-NEW/p250-sub-compact

    PS: I do not have any connection with DeSantis, other then a customer buying their products……

  • Mikesguns86

    Gunny,

    thanks for the info. i will keep an eye out for the sub compact model but im really looking for a full sized one.

  • drb1611

    Mikesguns86 – I have all 4 calibers (9mm, .40S&W, .357SIG and .45ACP) in the P250 Compact. Great guns. I keep the .45 bedside with Hornady Critical Defense for HD. I have fired many of the target loads (WWB, Remington, Federal, etc) without problem. I think the P250 is a good choice. Spend some time getting used to the DAO trigger.

  • Dee

    @ Mikesguns86…

    Save yourself the time/energy and stay away from this firearm… Gunny has half the info as stated ** As a special note, in case you were not aware, “The Sig Sauer company announced via press release that it had signed a multimillion dollar contract to equip the Air Marshals with its .357 SIG caliber P250 Compact Pistol (circa Dec 2009). This has been ammended, as they now carry the SubCompact as well, allowing the Air Marshal’s the option of carry.”

    There is not one P250 in any size frame in the field!

    To answer one of your questions Sig has made the 229 and 226 which is a very good gun while still not my 1st choice, I have to say it performs. So the Navy and the Army CID have used it for a long time, as for the FED’s the Secret Service has been in bed with SIG for EVER! Again using the 229 platform! Today the P250 is still having problems, as noted in the BATF’s testing in which it was thrown out! And as admitted by the rep’s out at the 2011 shot show from SIG!

    Within weeks of FAMS in the field getting the “test” guns…. 90% were not working! Run and get away from this system, save yourself and get a GLOCK it works!

    If you get this gun in 9mm then you might be ok as this is what the gun was made for, if you want a 45 then heed my warning and go with anything else! Good luck!

  • henri B

    I bought a new P250 .40cal on 1/29/11. The next day i brought it to a range and the gun jammed at least 5 times in only approx. 120 rounds. It jammed on the load 4 times, and while ejecting the spent casing 1 time. I was using 3 different types of ammo, and they all jammed. I expected much more from a Sig. 5 jams for only 120 rounds is far more than reasonable. My friend has a Glock 22 .40cal, and he said it has jammed once in about 900 rounds since new. I have since taken it apart, cleaned it very well, and applyed much gun oil. I plan to go through another 200 rounds very soon, and if it jams more than once i will be selling this gun.

  • Tangle

    It’s not going to stop having failures. This is not a break-in problem, it is a parts problem. My P250 compact did the very same thing. I contacted Sig, they emailed me a UPS overnight shipping label, which means UPS can pick the gun up from my house.

    They updated the gun, returned it to my house, with a list of parts replaced. It took 10 days altogether. The thing runs like a clock! No more failures at all of any kind.

    Some P250s got out of the factory with out of spec parts and it is the parts causing the problems. Sig will make the gun right, just like they did with mine and the FAMs P250s.

    This type of thing is showing up less and less as the manufacturing processes are updated.

  • mike crawford

    I bought a P250 two weeks ago…
    Only misfires out of a thousand rounds + fired in those two weeks was due to large amounts of lead exposed on some semi jackeded HP’s… FMJ HP’s work perfect….
    I have shot winchester white box FMJ and many handloads…
    Only once was there a need to pull the trigger twice to get it to fire…. and I like that option!!!!
    My P250 is in .45 acp……
    I love the pistol… I also own a Star PD .45 and a Colt 1911 in .45 and a Ruger P90 in .45…
    I bought the P250 because I can shoot it well with my left hand… I’m a righty but want to be able to shoot with both hands…..
    Thats my 2 c worth……
    BTW… As a westerner.. I was born with a gun in my hand…. It seems to me that most people east of the rockies shoot pistols like a girl…. probably why they get malfs……

  • Dee

    @ Tangle

    What are you talking about? “Sig will make the gun right, just like they did with mine and the FAMs P250s.” Did you miss the part where I said there is not a single P250 in the agency flying to date. Guys who are looking for insight don’t need to be given wrong information. Let the reader read thoughts and make up their own mind. When stating facts that’s diff.. Don’t throw statements out there that are simply NOT-TRUE!

    FYI

    SIG has yet to FIX the FAM’S P250’s! To be honest 99% of Firearm Instructor Training Program (FITP) instructors are anti-P250! I know if it comes its only b/c its a GOV bailout for a faulty design and a company that is gotten into the polymer game to late!

  • Dee

    Tangle,

    I was just reading one of your other post on sigfourm.com and one of the responses that I thought was great.

    This info is from the GAO report on the ATF test:

    The ATF live fire test involved 20 ATF agents of varying size experience and handedness. Each of the 20 shooters fired 200 rds through each of the six types of tested gun ( two P250, two S&W M&P, a Glock 22 and a Glock 23), so that means that in total 8000 rds were fired through the P250s, and the same amount through each of the other two brands.

    The P250 had 58 stoppages out of 8000 rds, 45 of those shooter-induced and 13 gun-induced. Even if you forget the shooter-induced stoppage rate (one out of every 150 rds or so) there are still the nagging 13 gun-induced stoppages with the P250. The Glock had seven shooter-induced stoppages and the S&W had 16, and neither Glock nor S&W had any gun-induced stoppages.

    In the ATF test the P250 simply had more stoppages, both shooter-induced and gun-induced, than the other brands. The P250 had almost three times as many shooter-induced stoppages as the S&W, and had more than six times as many as the Glock. The P250 had 13 gun-induced stoppages; neither Glock nor S&W had any.

    There is already a link in a post in this thread to the GAO report.

    Do you have any objective evidence that “politics” was the reason that the ATF chose to reject the P250? If so I’m sure everyone here would love to see it.

    Based on the four tests and/or fieldings of the P250 to LE agencies that I know of, namely the Dutch police , Hong Kong Police, US Federal Air Marshal Service, and ATF, there seems to be a pattern emerging IMO:

    P250s built by SIG Sauer GmbH in Germany can win contracts when they can get into the test (examples are the Dutch and Hong Kong police).

    On the other hand, P250s built by SIG Sauer USA either can’t get tested, or when they do get tested they either get rejected (ATF), or if they win a contract, they field guns that the contracting agency refuses to accept (FAMS).

    Please tell me where I’m wrong. I want to like the P250. I think that its concept is a superb one, for lots of folks. This includes people with small hands, people who are concerned with safety aspects of striker-fired guns lacking a manual safety, people on a budget who want a SIG, people who live in places where their handgun purchases are legally restricted, etc, etc. My wife was interested in a Compact 9mm for her, so we shot one. We were dismayed by the muzzle flip and the stoppages we experienced. I keep hoping that SIG fixes all the issues and that US LE agencies start fielding them by the ruckload, but I’m not seeing it, at least not yet.

    If people want to like the P250 and choose to buy it that’s their prerogative. But to claim that that the P250, at least the US-made one, does not have significant issues is simply to ignore the available evidence.

    http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/544100549/p/143

  • Tangle

    P250 owners, Sig has just introduced this magazine deal:

    [IMG]http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p286/jeepaholic_23/6727ed80.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

    Three mags and three extension adaptors for $120. That’s $40 per mag with the adaptor. It only increases the round count by two, but then I know a lot of people, including myself that paid more than that per mag for Mecgar 17 round mags to gain two rounds over the stock Sig P226 mags. But if you were thinking about buying some mags for either your full size or compact, this would be a good deal.

    And don’t forget if you register your P250 with Sig, you’ll get a coupon for 20% off on any Sig accessory!

    The bad news is, Sig has raised the price on ‘kits’ from $249 to $285. Apparently the demand for them is driving up the price.

    SA offers similar mag adaptors for their mid-size gun but I think you gain more than two rounds.

    I got my P250 back from Sig not long, was only gone 10 days, and the thing runs like a top. I’ve put 750 rounds through it without a problem of any kind!

    I took it to the range again yesterday and did some slow fire and some bit faster. Here are the results (hope the pics post). The first target is slow fire, not real slow, just not rushed. It’s 50 shots of NATO 9mm. Ten rounds at 3, 5, 7, 10, and 15 yards at an indoor range.

    [img]http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5172/5435234118_80e49a2258.jpg[/img]

    The second is much faster. Same round count, same ranges. At the 10 and 15 yard ranges, I was about 1.5 seconds per shot, some were a little faster and at the closer ranges I was shooting, of course, faster.
    [img]http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5138/5435236524_de485c14be.jpg[/img]

  • Lee

    It is a great service to post here including and especially the negative stories but it is starting to seem like some have dedicated their lives to trashing this gun. Manufacturers usually improve their products as it is not good business to build a reputation of unreliability and to lose money by shipping lots of products back for service. It is a young product and clearly not set in stone as according to many posters, they ve been making subtle but effective changes to the platform. Happy shooting!

  • Tangle

    Well, my pics didn’t post, but I think you can see the pics by copying and pasteing the links below into your browser:

    Pic of the mag and adaptor offer:
    http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p286/jeepaholic_23/6727ed80.jpg

    Slow fire target:
    http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5172/5435234118_80e49a2258.jpg

    Faster fire:
    http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5172/5435234118_80e49a2258.jpg

  • Jim

    They printed on mine.

  • Gunny

    Truer words could not be said. Funny thing, all of the negatve comments come from one or two of the same people, over and over and over again! One just needs to adjust their reading to see the deal, but then that is what blogs are for, the good and bad for anyone who wants to write it.

    I wish the new mag extensions were also for the subcompacts, but alas they are only for the compacts. I don’t understand that as they are made almost identical, but the small print on the bottom says it is for the compacts only. Maybe I’ll give them a call tomorrow and find out what the deal is. If they state anything other then what is stated in the small print, I will report back here and advise accordingly.

  • Tangle

    BTW, another post on the Sigforum presents an entirely different view of the P250. This is in a thread entitled, “Intrinsic Mechanical Accuracy (Metal versus Polymer)”. It is signed as written by Burce Gray himself, but posted by someone else, so I’m not sure who at GrayGuns is the actual author.

    However, he is preparing a P250 9mm FS for competition at the Bianchi Cup!!! There’s more here than the P250, but still pertinent, so I’m quoting it all.

    “Hi and thanks for asking for my opinion. As it happens, Ive made a sort of study of the phenomena associated with what makes pistols accurate, or not. It’s kind of been a thing with me throughout my long career, and continues to the present time as Roy and I make repeated trips to our 50 yard bench to group-test the P250 I’m setting up for the Bianchi Cup, as I’ll get to in a minute here.

    I think Roy hit on one key factor that does seem to make a difference in inherent accuracy potential, namely whether the frame rails front and rear are solidly conjoined in a unitized insert (as in the P-250), separately molded in (as in some other polymer framed guns), or there’s no metal rear rails at all (as in the XD). So, perhaps flexing of the grip frame during initial recoil / movement of the barrel might add to whatever other barrel-time effects might influence mechanical consistency and resulting accuracy. My experience has supported this theory, that grip frame flex can and does impair inherent accuracy potential.

    I know the Glock fans (and I am a bit of one myself in all reality) will scream that they shoot Glocks better than anything else and theirs is superbly accurate. I’m sure the first is absolutely true, and the second assertion might be, but probably not by the standards we can apply through objective bench testing. I have shot some Glocks, XD’s and so forth, and have yet to see either pistol consistently produce sub-5″ 50 yard groups in factory trim, and often not a whole lot better than 3.5″ to 4″ when re-fitted or re-barreled. I don’t think bore quality is the issue. I have never personally seen any polymer-framed pistol of any type and degree of fitting that could shoot better than 3″ with any make barrel.

    But, I have come to believe that the relatively light weight of polymer pistols, that is, the lower half anyway, contributes to their generally demonstrable inferiority in relative accuracy when fired from human hands, if not their absolute accuracy potential on a purely mechanical level.

    As an example, let’s take that P250 Fullsize 9mm. It’s got a long sight radius, and has been fitted about perfectly with no lockup float and minimal side movement of the frame to slide. Such a fit in a conventional P-series should buy us 2.5″ at fifty yards or so. However, the same ammo that groups under 2″ out of a newish X5 9mm is giving us little better than 4″ out of my tweaked-up P250. That’s really great for practical uses but still won’t quite cut it for Bianchi. My personal 1911 is giving me well under 2″ as expected, so at least I know I can still shoot a group! I was getting worried.

    I need to get consistent sub-2.5″ groups out of the P250 with good ammo by race day and think we can do it, but that might not be in the cards. Inconsistencies from barrel time effects is a possible culprit: any change in the frame’s relative resistance to recoil generated by the slide assembly is magnified by the light weight and flex of the system. The P250’s receiver is a clever gage that clips into the plastic grip; the cage is rigid, but but it still has some slight play within the grip even still. However, I think the P250 in particular offers some advantages over, or rather lacks the disadvantages of, most other polymer framed pistols. That receiver cage is at least rigid unto itself, and that must be a good thing.

    More likely in this case, though by no means bad, my particular P250’s factory barrel isn’t quite as accurate as I wish it was for my extreme purposes. It happens, which is why we’ll test others.

    So, in any event, I do believe quality all-metal pistols (I.E. P220) offer an edge in rigidity and inherent absolute accuracy potential over comparable (I.E. G-21) polymer-framed guns. Does that edge necessarily equate to higher qualification scores? I frankly doubt that the difference in inherent accuracy made as much difference as their relative shoot-ability in your hands, to be honest. It seems you shoot the P220 well, and that’s what really counts to you.

    -Bruce”

  • Tangle

    Maybe one follow-up post, which confirms the author is Bruce Gray of GrayGuns”

    “I always shot Bianchi until I retired from competition in 2004, and won my division several times over the years. I’ve heard rumours of this $110K business, but nothing substantiated, and that hasn’t entered into my interest in going this year. Rather, I want to stay engaged and relevant with the sport, and frankly, perhaps help SIG Sauer promote an under-rated pistol that most folks don’t think of as particularly competitive.

    We’ll see how this goes? So far, so good.

    -Bruce”

  • Tangle

    Then from another guy very knowledgeable in firearms, and BTW he does the work described for $160. But look at what he thinks of the P250 design.

    “I find the P250 to be a fantastic weapon. It’s accurate, reliable, and very attractively priced as of late. I picked one up out of sheer curiosity this year and have been enamored with its design ever since. It’s a very simple weapon which may lend itself to fewer inherent problems over the life of the average pistol. With the exception of springs and pins the FCU contains only 4 moving parts. Unlike the Sigpro, spare parts are readily available and the FCU is quite easy to disassemble. There are, IMHO, a couple of oversights in the design that I think Sig would have done differently if given the chance.

    First, there is an inordinate amount of pre-travel, or slack, at the beginning of the DAO trigger pull. This is attributable to a design oversight that is easily repaired.

    Measured from the relative center of trigger, the factory pre-travel can be as much as .10”. My “fix” reduces this measurement to roughly .020” while still retaining a tactile and discernable “click” to indicate reset. The trigger’s rest point is moved roughly .080” rearward after the process, shortening your length of pull as well by the same value.

    The second biggest gripe that I noticed from users was that the stroke is too long. It measures roughly .615” from the factory. I further reduce the stroke to a total of roughly 18% (0.100) down to 0.515. This is at the expense of slightly higher trigger pull, which is then adjusted by some action polishing.

    The factory P250 is roughly 6.0 – 6.5 lbs. After completion of the work, you get a smooth, shorter stroke trigger with a pull in the 6.75 – 7.0 lbs. range while retaining factory power springs.

    The end result is a trigger system that “wastes no time” so to speak. The absence of pre-travel and the shorter stroke will help to make the P250 a more competitive pistol and more up to par with its P-series older brothers.”

  • Dee

    As some may suggest there are 1 or 2 people posting negative post about the P250, the same can be said for the 1 or 2 people who are trying to keep this thing alive. Life happens to be passion and for someone who may get it forced down their throat so but I can’t support SIG’s P250 concept! Call me silly!

    I like the idea of taking $160.00 and upgrading the number of problem areas. But then one thought comes to mind … why take $160.00 and fix the problem areas when you can take that same dollar amount and place it towards a gun that needs no mod’s!

    The concept of fixing something thats broken verse picking something that needs no adjustment is a hands down call for me. Save your self the headache and purchase the one that comes out of the box ready for the street.

  • MikeF

    Dee, your experience with the first release P250 seems really to have had an effect on you. I wonder if you picked up a newer one (or ten) and it shot flawlessly out of the box, would you change your opinon? At least for the current production runs?

    I’m picking one up this week, I’ll give a range report when I do.

  • Bruce

    A little of my history. I’m a retired Corrections Officer with over 40 years of handgun experience. I have owned/carried/hunted with/target shot numerous handguns of all types and makes extensively. I chose the P250 40 Sub Compact because of Sig’s reputation and because I needed a good dependable home defense weapon that would fit my wife’s hands. I read plenty of forums etc related to this pistol and settled on this blog for what appears to me to be intelligent and experienced comments by Charles. Most of the negative posts seemed to be by the same few people and, to me, appeared to be less than informative or unbiased. So, when Gander Mountain put the P250 40cal on sale for $399 I bought one. Kudos to the staff of the Cicero NY store for dismantling the pistol and thoroughly lubing it before handing it over to me. When I got it home i stripped the pistol down to do the oiling Charles had suggested and found it already done..properly. I had purchased some middle of the road Winchester 180 JHP ammo with the pistol and loaded it up for the first test. At 15 yards the pistol shot small tight groups after a flier, about 3″ off, that I correctly blamed on my getting the hang of the trigger. After firing 30 rounds, some rapid fire, without a single incident, I checked all the brass for firing pin marks. All were near dead center on the primer and equally prominent. This pistol was made in Dec 2010 so it is of very recent manufacture. I plan on testing other brands and bullet sizes soon and I will post the results here. As it stands now I trust the gun to perform if and when it is needed to do so and am impressed with the quality of manufacture and performance.

  • Arsnman

    Well doing one’s homework can be so much fun. I’ve read all the negative and positive comments dating back to the first P250 platform and release. Thanks for the comments.

    I have an opportunity to get a new full size 40 SW with a .357 Sig barrel and three 14:1 factory clips for $489.00. I like the .357 Sig round for ballistics. I have had many handguns and I’m not worried about carrying a full sized handgun due to my stature. I can conceal one with ease.

    I’m not concerned with spent brass ejection and body proximity or trigger travel since that resolves itself with any usage of a different or new weapon. For those who own a newer P250; I would be interested in your comments on its functionality. Your comments would be appreciated since I’m not fond of Glocks and wanted to try a Sig.

  • Tangle

    I have a P250 compact 9mm. Within 50 rounds I started having extraction problems. I called Sig, they paid for shipping, replaced the hammer, trigger bar, safety lever, and extractor, and shipped in back in 10 days! All at no cost to me.

    So, while I didn’t initially qualify as a “newer P250”, I do now, because Sig not only repaired my extraction problem, they completely updated it!

    Since then I have put 1000 rounds through it without the first problem of any kind. I find the gun to be superbly accurate and shootable. And BTW, mine is completely stock.

    Sig says that as of Dec 2010, all P250s will have the latest updates. However, if you do get one that gives you a problem, Sig will fix it at no cost to the owner. Sig pays for shipping both ways and repair.

    I’m seeing more and more positive posts and negative posts are almost non-existent these days except for a few that have always been naysayers and I’m convinced nothing will change them.

    And this is interesting, a P250 has been spotted in a FAM’s holster at an airport. The guy that spotted it had a chance to talk to the FAM about the P250 and he had nothing bad to say about it. So it appears the FAM are now carrying the P250.

    I recently wanted a P250 full size to go with my P250 compact so I got on some websites, found a p250 FS kit that a guy bought in a 2Sum set. He only wanted the subcompact and so I got the FS ‘kit’, slide, barrel, magazine, grip/frame for $200. And didn’t have to go through a FFL!

    The FCU easily came out of the compact and as easily installed in the fs frame. That’s what I’m carrying right now. I now have 400 rounds through it without a single first problem. That’s 1400 rounds on that particular FCU that Sig repaired.

    I also bought the three mag extension kit Sig is offering. Three full size mags with three sleeve adaptors for use in the P250 compact. Ordinarily I wouldn’t have been interested in that, but I needed some full size mags any way and this was perfect.

    I recently bought two full size .45 magazines for $33.00 each, shipping is free.

    Sig now has another offer available a .40 compact with a .357 bbl, and three magazines, $419 at Bud’s. Unfortunately, these things sold like hot cakes, Bud’s sold out, but I suspect they’ll be getting more in – unless that was a one-time special from Sig.

    I also ordered, from Sig a full size frame with a small grip for my fs 9mm – $46. BTW, if you register your p250 with Sig, you’ll get a 20% off coupon! I’m not having a problem with the medium grip, but I’m thinking about cutting the muzzle end of the fs grip back to the compact size and I’d have a ‘Commander’ size gun, like the 1911 Commander – a full size grip with a compact barrel.

    Because the frame is so inexpensive, a lot of people are experimenting. If they mess the whole thing up, they’re only out $46 and it’s not a gun. Some of the paint jobs look really good. Mostly what I’ve seen is the olive drab color, and their using dura coat I believe.

    I have a Sig 229 E2 with SRT, Sig 229 & 226s in both DA/SA and DAKs. I have an M&P which I rarely shoot or carry anymore, and Glocks. But, I’m carrying my P250 fs, and if not my compact. I am very impressed with this gun.

    I’ve already shot 2550 9mm rounds this year and counting. Not all through the P250s, but most went through the P250s.

  • Gunny

    I’be been enjoying the P250 since June of 2010. It is not only a good, reliable pistol, but a joy to wear daily in concealment mode. I’m glad to see more are enjoying this great gun and we are finally putting down the naysayers and finally a FAM observation. Enjoy and Happy Shooting.

  • Tangle

    BTW, Gunny, it is my understanding that Sig will be offering the mag extensions for the subcompact! Be careful what you wish for 🙂 .

    I don’t know if they will adapt a full size mag to the subcompact; I’d think it’d be to adapt the compact mag to the subcompact. I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

  • Arsnman

    Thanks Tangle and Gunny! As posted on the other forums; I took it out today for the first time and love it. After the first clip I got use to the target aquisition and pull and double and tripple tapping was a breeze. The 40 SW Fs was very accurate and I’m happy to say can’t wait to put some of the HD ammo through both the 40 and .357 Sig barrels. Love it after 150+ rounds.

  • Tangle

    Hey Gunny – check it out!!!!

    http://www.p250sig.com/forum/resource.ashx?a=268
    http://www.p250sig.com/forum/resource.ashx?a=269

    Compact mag adaptors for the subcompact! Now available, in stock from Sig. You may have some rep claim he doesn’t know what your talking about but they do have them, they are in stock!

    I told ya – I told ya!

    Arsnman,
    Thanks for the kind words and welcome to the p250 ‘club’. I just got back from the range, another flawless 100 rounds that brings my P250 total to 1400 rounds without a single issue.

  • LCIII

    Hey all. Just got bought a p250. Bought the P250 2sum package in 9mm. I shot the p250sc 1st. Ran about 50 rds of cheap ammo thru it. Fired evey time. And was pleastly surprised at the accuracy. Switched the FCU to the full sized and on the 10th rd had a “light strike”. I thought at 1st it was the ammo. I ejected the rd ,finished of the mag then put the unfired rd back in the mag, released the slide pulled the trigger and bang. The ammo was that russian stuff. It would happen at least once per mag. When it would happen I would pull the trigger again and it would fire. But it never happened in the sc module. I took a couple of dif 9’s back to the range and shot the same ammo thru them. Not a single misfire. I have put bought 150 rds thru the sc module and no problems. On the full size I have put 200rds thru it and it has misfired 9 times. But that has been with the cheap ammo. I ran a full mag of factory brass FMJ and the gun worked fine. I guess my fullsize dont like cheap 9mm ammo. 🙂
    Was wondering if the recoil spring might have something to do with it.
    Any ideas?

  • LCIII

    LOL. And btw I love this weapon. Feel , trigger, accuracy. All good. To me anyway.

  • Arsnman

    Anyone using a lazer sight on the P-Rail for the full size FCU like the Uni-Max or Sig’s CPL-1?

    Crimson Trace does not make one for the P250 and just get their standard response…..maybe someday.

  • Bruce

    I promised I would report on any ammo that I fired through the 250 Sub Compact. Picked up some Federal 180 grain FMJ rounds at Wally World for $14 a box. As with the Winchester rounds the Federals cycled properly and there were no problems at all through 30 rounds fired. Fired one mag as fast as possible without a single problem. They were not as accurate as the Winchesters but still reasonable at 15 yards. Slightly less recoil that the Wins, both very manageable. As with the Wins the front site was best with bottom to top of rear site. This is similar to other Sigs I have fired and placed shots at dead center.
    I’m liking this pistol more and more. Only thing I would wish for is the rail to mount a laser sight like on the compact and full size. Anyone have a suggestion for a laser sight that would work well on the sub compact?

  • Tangle

    Hey Bruce,

    Thanks for the update and good report.

    I thing Veridian makes two small compact lasers for the rails and I think Sig has one too, but it may be a rail mount light I’m remembering.

    But the Subcompact models don’t have rails do they?

    If not, here’s a trick some owners are doing. They buy a compact grip ($39.95) from http://www.ombexpress.com/c_162/sf_944.aspx?r=1 (free shipping). The frame is not a gun so no FFL hassle and they can ship it right to your doorstep.

    They cut the front of the frame back to the length of the subcompact frame and wind up with ‘commander’ look of the 1911. It would be a compact grip with a subcompact slide and barrel. That would give you rails for the laser.

    You’d just take the FCU out of the SC frame, put it in the compact frame, install the SC slide and barrel and you’re there!

    You will have to have a compact size mag though and you can get that at the same place ($33).

    You would have the option of carrying the true compact or the hybrid – kinda of mission specific.

    I don’t klnow of any other gun you could do that with for $73. Most frames would cost double or triple that and would have to be transferred via an FFL holder.

    -Tangle

  • Tangle

    Ahhh shoot Bruce I meant to include a link to some pics of how owners themselves have customized their P250s.

    http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/1000023442

    -Tangle

  • not a fan

    I purchased my sig p250 .45 and am verry dissapointed. My sig will not fire. I pull the trigger and the hammer doesnt move. I fired less than 50 rounds with more than 100 attemptes to fire. Very dissapointed this gun is crap. I feel like i bought an expensive paper weight. I tried many diffrent ammo types from hornady, to federal, to remmington. all kinds with the same poor performance. The gun will not shot and never will i put this gun in a holster to defend my own life. I have owned many sigs and am verry dissapointed in this model. The trigger is smooth when it catches the hammer. I am giving plenty of time to RESET the double action trigger. i am lucky if i get one shot off of 10 pulls at the trigger. I will be throwing this away as i dont wanna sell this crap to another person.

  • not a fan

    also this gun was purchased yesterday brand new not pre owned. forgot to add that.

  • Gunny

    To “Not A Fan”,

    It sounds like your, “TRIGGER BAR SPRING” may have disconnected. Did you clean and lube the gun prior to range time? Did you take out the “Fire Control Assembly”? The spring I am referring to is in my opinion the Achilles Heel. But once you know how it is suppose to function your OK. The problem is, unless you have used this handgun for a while or are very familiar with the internal workings of handguns, this can get you stuck. While at the range, was there a Range Master present who could have Function Checked your handgun? From what you wrote, it seems you were able to fire 50 rounds. Were those fired in succession or randomly during your attempts? When the problem you encounter happens, it is the fluke and not the norm. But sight unseen, it sounds like what I mentioned as possibly the problem.

    Suggestions:
    1. Bring it back to the shop where you bought it and have them inspect the “Fire Control Assembly” paying attention to the “TRIGGER BAR SPRING”.
    2. If you bought it through the internet, contact Sig Sauer at (603) 772-2302 (press #3 for Customer Service). They can walk you through a Function Check and trouble shoot your problem.

    Before you totally give up on your new pride and joy, help it to figure out what is in fact the problem. It may be something that you did, or rather did not do, because you were unfamiliar with the internals of this handgun, which is not uncommon…..

    Let us know how this works out for you and Good Luck! I think once you find out what the problem is, you will fall back in love….

    Gunny
    PS: 2000 rounds and counting, not a single hiccup along the way. P250 40S&W Subcompact!

  • Gunny

    Update: Well I just purchased 3 Compact Mags, 3 Compact Mag Adapters, 3 Subcompact Mag Adapters and 1 Compact Grip Module that I have modified down to fit my Subcompact FCU. I finally have access to more holsters (Thanks to the Compact Grip Module) and a Picatinny Rail!

    “TANGLE”, you’re right, I gotta watch out what I wish for, but boy am I one happy camper! Where could one do all of this at the bare bones price I paid! Unbelievable! Also, just got back from the range, had to try out the new mag adapters and modified Grip Module. Put 200 rounds of Corbon DPX (Copper Hollow Points) 140gr 40S&W All worked flawlessly and put my total round count at #2200, without a single hiccup!

    Loving this handgun! ~~ Gunny

  • not a fan

    I called sig and i sent them my gun today. I will get that gun or upgrade if they let me in about 2weeks. I will post my results on how sig handles the situation and the gun. Hopefully mine comes back working time will tell.

  • not a fan

    Gunny,

    Yes there was a range officer there and he couldnt understand the problem. I did properly clean and lube the gun before use as i always do. I did not take out the modular housing or dissamble any more than a normal field strip. The 50 shots i got off were all at random and not in sucession.

  • AaronB

    I purchased a compact .40 250 today brand new from a local shop that has a good rep. After reading these reviews I’m starting to feel like i may have purchased a lemon. I bought the p250 to replace my ruger p95, seems like I should hold onto that now. What angers me the most is that I asked the guy if it was a reliable gun and he said yes. Seems pretty well known now that it is not. Anyway I can check my serial # online to see when it was manufactured?

  • Gunny

    Hey “Not a Fan”,

    I would almost bet the problem was related to the “TRIGGER BAR SPRING”! From what you describe, that sounds like the likely candidate. Without that working, your hammer will not function properly and since you confirm the problem as random, that even cements the problem further. I would follow up with Sig with a phone call and ask them if that was in fact the problem. Hopefully they will disclose what the problem was and you can share that with us. By the way, what size did you purchase? Was it the full size per chance? I know the Subcompacts have all of the new upgrades, and the rest of the line does as of Dec 2010, but if you purchased a Fullsize that was built say in Apr 2009, you may have some of the left over problem spots. It all depends on the stock your shop had. If you by chance know the serial number, you can go to Sig’s web page and register the gun. It will tell you when it was built when you fill in the serial number spot. Would be another interesting possible clue….

    I’m sorry you had such trouble, but when it comes back, it will be perfect.. Sig’s CS is pretty Top Notch! Please keep us advised….

    Gunny

  • Tangle

    I want to ‘second’ what Gunny has said, and reiterate that as of Dec 2010 all P250s have all updates. It is possible to get a pre-Dec 2010 gun that is in someone’s stock and if you do it may not work reliably. I had that very thing happen to me. Sig fixed in a turn around of 10 days and the gun that was jamming about 10 time in a box of 50 rounds, has now over 1000 through it without any problem whatsoever.

    These guns run when they have all the latest updates and a lot of older guns have run thousands of rounds flawlessly.

    Then, here’s the P250 9mm “Commander”. I took a fs frame (39.95 free shipping) and cut the front back to the compact size and installed a compact slide. Here’s what I got:

    [img]http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5051/5543908928_fb359eea19_z.jpg[/img]
    http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5051/5543908928_fb359eea19_z.jpg

    This is the equivalent of the 1911 Commander proportions to the fs 1911 – full-size, 17 rd grip and mag, comact size barrel and slide, and it happens that it shortens it by that same 3/4″ as the 1911 version.

    I wasn’t feeling up to par yesterday and almost didn’t go shooting with it. But I had just finished it and couldn’t resist. So it wasn’t a ‘better’ day, but at it wasn’t a bad day either.

    I don’t think pics will post here but I included a image link and a link as well.
    [img]http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5132/5547584690_d0b3c147ae_z.jpg[/img]
    http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5132/5547584690_d0b3c147ae_z.jpg

    There may be a little degradation in group size due to the shorter sight radius, but I can’t claim that for sure; at least not in 50 rounds.

    No malfunctions of any kind. Now I need to give it some carry time and shoot it some more.

    Hey Gunny – congrats on the mags and adaptors. It’s funny, my fs/compact mags are still on backorder. It is my understanding that Sig has the kits, but have them on an internal hold, but I don’t know why. Could be they’re waiting to see if they are gonna need the mags for the fs guns or xchg kits, but that’s just speculation.

  • not a fan

    Gunny,

    I will be in contact with sig and post all results here. The model i bought was a compact model, not full size. Im pretty sure its a newer version it has the p-rail and night sights.

  • AaronB

    Took my p250 out today and put 150 rounds of federal fmj through it. Had 4 jams, always the last bullet in the magazine. Pretty pissed to say the least. Shot 200 rounds through my ruger p95 without a hitch. I will say this though, the sig is dead on accurate and I love the trigger pull on it. 4 jams is 4 too many as far as I’m concerned.

    Gunny, should I contact sig or wait until I put a couple hundred more rounds through it? The fact that it was always the last bullet makes me think that maybe something is wrong with the magazine and I just need to break it in a bit more.

  • Tangle

    AaronB,

    No need to wait or shoot more. I shot less than 50 rounds through my P250 and it was doing that. I called Sig, they emailed the shipping ticket, fixed the gun and delivered it to my doorstep in 10 days. It’s been as reliable as a fine clock ever since.

  • AaronB

    Thanks tangle, guess I’ll be calling sig and getting this fixed. Kind of disappointing to say the least.

  • Gunny

    Hello ALL,

    OK, trying to reply to some in one message, so look for your name:

    “Not a Fan”: The only P250’s (imho) that were working at 100% out of the box, with NO issues what so ever are the “Subcompacts”, as they were not released in quantities until March/April 2010 time frame. All of the issues were resolved when the platform was released. Also, any P250 that was “BUILT” after Dec 2010, should also be 100% out of the box. So even if you got a compact, it could still have come from older stock, since no one has any idea how long a shop has had inventory and who knows what stock was sent to them to begin with. I would call them every couple of days for an update, as you should have your handgun back very soon! The newer versions have the updated Grip modules. If you look at the Grip Modules on the pictures at the start of this thread, they are the old version. If it had those Grip Modules, it is definitely from “OLDER” stock. Go you Sig’s home page and look up the P250, all of them now have the NEW Grip Modules. However, even with the newer grip modules, it still could have had some old internals! I am really curious as to what they find as the culprit! There is NO doubt however, that when you get it back, it will become the love of your life, fear not!

    “TANGLE”: That is what I just got done doing as well, thanks you for the great suggestion and pictures! That is one SWEET piece, and I now have one in my stable as well! Love it!

    “AaronB”: Sorry to hear your frustration. Since you bought a “Compact” I would contact Sig ASAP! It will NOT cost you a single cent and it goes from you to them back to you, and their turn around time is usually pretty quick! I take it this is happening in more than one magazine, or do you only have the one that it came with (How I wish Sig would provide more mags with a new purchase). You may want to know that Sig sells Mags from their web si9te was well as a new “Compact Mag Adapters”, which are really sweet! Regarding your Build Date, look on the case your handgun came in, it should have a date one of the stickers near the serial number. Example, Mine says March 29, 2010. I called Sig to verify that date when I bought mine and it was confirmed. So if you have that date on yours, that is the build date. Just make sure it is not a sticker from your shop. You can also call Sig and ask for that info as well, just have your Serial Number ready. I also believe they will provide you with a really nice Sig Certificate of Build for $$, again call to check…

    Well, I hope I got everyone, fear not Sig will get you straight and true! Till next time!

    Gunny

  • Tangle

    Hey Gunny,
    That ‘Commander’ will grow on you. I like big guns like the P250 fs, but I’ve really taken to this combination.

    I read something that is quite disturbing about a change in Sig’s policy about the P250. It seems that Sig will not sell mag springs for the P250 either wholesale or retail. It looks like if one wishes to replace a mag spring in a P250 mag he’ll have to buy a new mag.

    Wonder why Sig would do that, and why just the P250?

  • Tangle

    Regarding the disturbing ‘policy change’ in my previous post. I called Sig today and while it is true they don’t sell mag springs for the P250, they don’t sell mag springs or components for any gun. But that’s because Sig doesn’t make the mags – Checkmate and Mecgar makes the mags for Sig. And that’s been the case for quite some time.

    And, according to Sig, components including springs can be purchased from CheckMate, Mecgar, and Wolff Gunsprings.

    Just a case of bad info.

  • plunk

    I would appreciate any informed opinion about using a 9mm barrel in a p250c .40. I purchased the barrel from a Sig cs rep. When the barrel arrived, I had second thoughts because the rod and recoil spring on my p250sc 9mm was much different than the rod and recoil spring on my p250 .40. So I called and spoke with another cs rep, who said I should have ordered an entire X-conversion kit. Well, the 9mm barrel had taken so long to arrive that I decided to try it in my p250c using the .40 rod, spring and slide. I put 100 rounds through it today and it worked perfectly.

    So, was I asking for trouble? Am I asking for trouble if I continue to use the 9mm barrel with the .40 rod and recoil spring?

  • Revolution

    Traded a .40 S&w for this piece of fine engineering well calculated piece of machinery. If i had to do it all over again i would spend the extra $$$ on an extra mag…. Shot 500 rds thus far not issues and VERY accurate. I believe it depends on the person handling the weapon and not the weapon GOOD JOB YET AGAIN SIG!

  • waffles

    I bought my p250/fs 9mm two weeks ago. I love it. I haven’t had a lot of time to spend at the range, but have put 200 rounds through it( mostly federal fmj) without a single jam misfire etc. Accuracy isn’t the best I’ve seen in other full sized 9mm but an experienced shooter cam still get some pretty type groups. I’m surprised to read so many bad reviews. Hope Sig follows through with their commitments to you guys. Looking at some of the dates on these posts I think the newer guns are more reliable.

  • waffles

    I should also say that I only paid $390 for my 250

  • Rich Beauregard

    Been a while since I’ve been on here. I bought my P250 .40 S&W Compact few years back. It had the old Style grip / mags. I recently upgraded to the new style grip and mags. I do like the feel of it and stopped at the range last week to try it. It shot awesome and I enjoyed the feel of it. Not sure why they upgraded to the new style, but Sig Sauer gave me a good price. No complaints, just praise!
    There are 2 places that talk about the P250, this one and: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/05/01/sig-sauer-p250-review/

  • Brian

    I have the 250 compact. and although i love the DAO, triger pull, and accuracy i m having a great deal of trouble with the gun not extracting the spent casing. If i have a mag of 10 or more it jams after about every two rounds.

  • plunk

    Brian, what make of 9mm ammunition are you firing?

  • plunk

    Waffles, you are correct. SS is discounting the p250s to dealers, based on advertised prices. SS is offering 20% off of x-change kits, grips, barrels, mags and some accessories. Once they got through the shakedown blues, they are trying to hit the market hard. Recently I ordered an x-change kit in fs, .45 ACP and asked for small grips because I find that I control my sc with small grips very well. Turned out that the x-change kits came only in medium grips, so the cs rep threw in the small grips at no charge.

    I’m getting a good feeling about the p250. Now I have all three sizes and two calibers for the compact. I don’t know how many rounds I have fired of 9mm and .40 S&W — at least 500 — most at rapid rates of fire and have had no malfunctions. I’m using Winchester white box and CCI fmj range rounds. The Winchester white box 9mm can be found in bulk at about $0.21.

    Once when switching the FCU, the trigger bar spring flew off, but it’s no big deal to remount. If it had flown off at an outdoor range I would have been ordering a new spring.

    I read a complaint that the trigger reset required a full return and that there was no click. Mine resets about halfway with a click that I can feel and hear. That would indicate an engineering design change by SS.

    The DAO pull is less than the DA in most SA/DA pistols, so I found it easy to gain the muscle memory. I’m liking DAO much better than the confusing pulls of SA/DA pistols. There is consistency by using the same FCU in three sizes and multiple calibers. I would like to try the SS DAK SAO trigger action. Surprisingly, it’s a heavier rated pull than the p250. I don’t understand why SS did not incorporate DAK into the p250.

    I agree with you that a lot of the critical comments seem to carry over from the early production. It’s too bad that SS did not eliminate some of the engineering defects before they brought the p250s to the market.

  • George

    I had been having soft primer strikes, and slept on sending mine back to Sig. I got it back after a week and a half, and couldn’t be happier.

    They checked it out, upgraded the trigger group and extractor, replaced the slide and put 75 down the pipe – no issues. I fired off another 150 at the range (Remington which had always given me issues and Blazer brass) and not one hiccup. Stay tuned.

  • Ray

    I just purchased the latest version of P250, i put 100 rounds down range with it. I love how smooth the P250 functions.. and less recoil them my G23. I do have one problem, the casings are ejecting towards me and not to the right.. the shells kept hitting me. Can anyone here give me input on this matter? Also what kind of rounds are good for my P250?

  • plunk

    That is a problem i haven’t heard or read about. What caliber are you firing? Different calibers produce different recoils. I have P250 in 9mm, .40 S&W and .45 ACP. Have not been hit by a casing. My practice rounds are all FMJ, either white Winchester or CCI. I’ve also fired some Hornady and COR BON HPs. If you are firing .45 you might get some rotation on recoil.

    I’ve found that .45 is the most comfortable round in the P250 and produces the tightest groups for me. In .40 I get trigger finger sting. 9mm I never fire as well in any handgun.

    Like you said, the trigger is smooth. DAO is a great trigger because the pull is always consistent. No throwaway first round. I would like to fire the Sig DAK trigger, just to compare. They should make a DAK receiver to fit the P250.

    The modularity is a big point with me. I have four grips in two sizes, four barrels, three slides. It’s fun to take to the range for self defense work.

  • arsnman4

    I have FS 40 SW and .357. I also use the CCI for practice and went to the Hornady Cridical Defense 146g red tips since they are better and much more accurate then the Cor Bon’s I used previously. When I first got the P250 I had some crappy stuff and had one spent hit my head. I have not had any since using the above ammo.

  • ray

    Well its very new, i have the 9mm compact. i will try the white winchester 115 grain. i cant remember what ammo i was using? but i put 50 round thru it..and 30% of the casings were ejecting towards my face.. ouch! i still need to break it in. i will try using the ammo you recommend, tnx. i hope its just finding the right ammo and not the gun. i see theres alot of mixed reviews on the p250 i like it tho, cool parts!! i plan to get the 45 fs,, very affordable, and its SIG.. cant knock it. i will follow up on the ejector issue.

  • Ray

    Just shot 100 rounds with my p250 using remington ammo and white box winchester both 115 grain. no problems at all. I dont recommend using the PMC Ammo with the P250 those casing kept hitting my face. i favor the winchester ammo since today. I still got to get use to the long dao trigger. I love my glock 23 40 cal. but my sig p250 is a good backup.

  • Cliff Tigert

    My wife purchased a Sig P250 2sum in 40 caliber for me for XMas, looking at the add from Sig and believing what the add said, you get 2 guns for 1 price and yes the price was decent. But the advertising was misleading and what you get is one gun in full size and a subcompact of the same caliber which is a kit which you need interchangeable parts from the full size gun. A real bummer to say the least because you can only have one shooting gun at a time and what is a gun if it doesn’t shoot? – A TOY. Sig refused any adjustment and literally hung up on me. The P250 shoots poorer than any gun I have ever used and I have a Springfield XD in .40, an XDM in 9mm, and a 1911 from Colt. I could barely hit a target at 25 yards with preset sights and after adjustments only a bit better. With my other pistols under the same conditions, I shoot better than many of my friends who are Border Patrol or Cops. After 285 rounds the housing cracked and Sig agreed to replace it for $100. If this is the customer service of what I was informed was a great gun, I’ll stick to my Remington 870 in 12 gauge with 00 Buckshot. I’ll never again buy ANY SIG SAUER PRODUCT and I strongly recommend everyone take a close look at it before buying. There is a reason you can get the P250 at such a great price – “THE GUN SUCKS.”

    • Steve

      Cliff,

      You comments are spot on! I’m sorry you had to learn it the hard way! Purchase anything but a 250! the 229 is a tried a true platform!

  • kevin

    Hello all,

    I would like to tell all who have seen some jamming on the Sig p250, there seems to be good news. My Sig was starting to jam some…maybe 5 Or 6 times
    out of 150 rounds. I cleaned the slide with rubbing alcohol and used a tooth brush on the extract, make sure it is super clean. Next re lube the slide, but
    super super light and only on the places you see wear on. I then tested my Sig
    oh how it fired so prefect…..prefect. My Sig seems to love being almost dry.
    I really think the extractor had also gotten dirty. Try this I think you will see
    better operation.

  • tom fenske

    I just got my new P250 45 ………..and was sorely disappointed. I had 30-40% misfires due to light strikes. I was using white box winchester rounds. I guess I get to be the next guy to call sig customer service……..NOT WHAT I WANTED TO DO !!!

  • Tim H

    I have received a lot of comments on the P250C. I have well over 3000 rounds in my P250 and have had to replace a lot of parts already. It has been to hell and back, being in two academies and a firearms instructor course. I have had to replace the rear night sight after 10 months. During my firearm instructor course the trigger bar spring broke into a thousand pieces and the slide lock spring under the bar was broke also. Sig replaced every trigger piece for me.
    I love how it fits in my cross breed holster for off duty and will now be my off-duty weapon.
    Two academies after mine, a cadet’s P250 break in half. The slide cracked and the grip blow apart in his hand. The academy fireamrs instructor told me that he has seen a lot of these guns do this in the past two years. Just beware and contact Sig with all of your problems so they can recall these guns and make them better.

    • Dee

      Tom H, with all those problems your actually going to carry it as a duty weapon? I’ve lost faith in your comments alone.

  • tom

    Sent it in today, Sig says they’ll fix it. They paid shipping and turnaround is supposed to be 10 days? ………At the present time, I gotta say that this is an embarrassment of a gun and I am leaning towards just getting it back when it’s fixed and then selling it so I can make another purchase on a 45 I can count on. This was my first sig purchase and I am pretty certain, my last ! In my 25 years of being around guns and buying/ shooting / hunting……..I have never seen such a poor performance by any gun, period !!……even my russian WW2 rifle I got for $100, that sat in cosmoline grease for 70 years , performed flawless, yet this sig p250 – 45 seems like a pile of junk !!

  • Penalty Box

    I am in the market for a SIG P250 2SUM kit in 9mm. My local dealer has one in stock and has a manufacture date of 12-16-2010. My question is does this contain the updates/changes many have referenced. I see that December of 2010 seems to be the date the changes were put in place but I need to confirm this build date is post change. Thanks in advance for the help.

  • Sig man

    You should be able able to get the serial number from the retail store and call sig. There customer service is A+. Im sure they would b happy to answer your question and would have easy access to the information.
    Mine was outdated, and had a light strike. Sent the firearm to sig and they fixed the problem. Now I’ve never had to call customer service for any of my sigs besides my p250 .45 compact model. They had a fast turn around, but why buy a gun if you know it doesnt. If it does not have update you may wanna check the sp2022 in 9m. Very similiar in size and weight, and is a sa/da model with a decocker feature. There are many police and military that carry the sp2022. Now if you are looking for a DAO then the 250 is a fine firearm after the updates.

    • New 250 owner

      Sig Man do you know if you can buy the complete trigger assembly so that the 2-sum can actually be a functioning 2 gun set?

  • Elischeo Vera

    Can anybody tell me how I can tell when my p250 40 2 sub was manufactured, and I also read about upgrades on these guns from SS, does anybody know what specifically are they upgrading? If mine is manufactured before the updated guns, should I send it to SS for upgrading? Thanks for any information.

  • Springer

    Just got a brand new P250 9mm as a gift. Couldn’t have asked for a better gun. Put 200 rounds through on the first day with no jams. Cleaned it throughly and put 150 through the following day. Still no jams. cleaned throughly again. Took carry permit class days later and was required to fire 48 times. No jams. I have always been very careful in cleaning my tools and this one performs well when properly cared for, like anything else.

  • Shawn m

    I bought a gen 1 p250 compact in a .40sw. It ran fine for a year then I started having misfired with Winchester white box ammo. I marked it off as ammo being bad. The federal still shot fine so I just went with that. Then the federal started misfiring to the point I might have 3 fires from a 13 round mag. I saw it had a cracked hammer. I sent it back to sig (they charged me $55 for shipping) they replaced the trigger group and extractor and I’m suppose to get it back today via FedEx. I’m not happy at all about it breaking and me paying shipping. I’m tempted to sell the gun and buy a glock. I bought sig because they are suppose to be reliable and the p250 because they can be changed to multiple setups with 1 serial number. In nj permits are a pain in the ass.

  • KeithL

    Not to beat a dead horse but if were throwing in our gripes and complaints id like to add a little. So I bought my sig(p250 compact .40) Brand New in 2009 at a local gun show, Loved it got a slide on grip fits and feels amazing. Took it to the range the first time put 100+ rounds in it maybe 1 or 2 jams. Took it back the next week and i had 1 jam per 3 rounds… Called Sig they had me mail the gun to them, only to discover they had installed the wrong ejector… Got the gun back and I bought an additional Mag from Topgunsupply take it back to the range and now I was getting feeding issues. I take a look at the two mags and they are both in .40 frames, but both have completely different internals… Oh the joy of owning a sig..

  • ray

    It’ been about 6 months since I sold my sig 250. So glad I got rid of that gun. I’m sure for some people this is a good gun to own, as for me I HATED IT!! LAST GUN I WOULD WANT TO HAVE IF THE ZOMBIES COME. I had the compact 9mm. No ftf or fte. It likes federal ammo and winchester wht box. I purchased this gun, brand new out the door for under 400.00 WOW good deal right, its a sig. well cant hit a darn thing passed 10 yards.

    I moved on to new and better things since that crappy gun. I now own a RUGER SR1911 ! ! ! AWESOME!!!!! BEST 1911 .45acp In the market for the price. I hit cans at 30yrds. never a malfunction. Shooter error equals malfuctions most the time. I love my RUGER SR1911, hard gun to find at stores, if you see it, BUY IT ASAP.

  • ray

    what? all you people own this gun. The sales pitch of swapping calibers first got my attention. . . . BUT, then I realize I would rather spend the money on new guns instead of the conv kits. This gun is LAME!

  • smitty

    I have a sig p250 9mm over 1500 rounds no problems, NONE.10 20 30 yard shots, multiple, one right after the other on point shooting at clay tiles. my first handgun. i have no complaints

  • Paul

    I am very disappointed with my P250C. I purchased the weapon, burned 50 rounds at the range prior to taking it to a CCW class. About 100 rounds into live fire exam, the trigger started stopping short after fire. The range master inspected the weapon and came to the same determination that you had to actually push the trigger forward after each round. I had to borrowed a Glock to finish the session.

    I will not trust my life to this weapon.

  • BigBang734

    I shot my Sig P250 Compact/40 S&W for the first time over the weekend. It cycled 80 rounds with no problems. I did notice that it was shooting low and to the right. I believe this is more than likely my fault and with some practice my groups will get better. I love my 40 and look forward to purchasing two exchange kits in 9mm and 45. ACP.

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  • shotgun kelly

    I bought the 250 Compact in .40 about a year ago and took it out to the range right out of the box. Never jammed, but the next round wouldn’t always feed in right. I quickly learned that proper gun maintenance quickly solved the issue for the most part. Proper cleaning and lubrication is the best way to keep the gun running smoothly. The next time I took it out I went through 50 rounds before the feed didn’t go in and a quick mag tap fixed the problem in around .5 seconds. Noticing it was a magazine issue and not the weapon itself. Other than the feed issues, although fixed easily enough, is the problem with steel rounds. My buddy owns the 9mm variant and was shooting with me one day with cheaper steel rounds. one of the shells jammed in his chamber and he couldn’t get it out until the barrel cooled. So this gun requires quality ammo, and like my dad taught me, I wouldn’t use anything less anyways. No re-manufactured, no steel, no shady russian brand. Use Remington, Winchester, or Federal, or any other good QUALITY rounds. Never had a problem with the accuracy either, I’ve shot and hit my target from around 50 yards away, but being my personal and home defense weapon, you aren’t going to be going into battle needing to hit anything farther away than 25 feet anyway thats what my AR is for. This gun has a couple of issues, but proper care and maintenance will resolve them. The grip fits perfectly in my hand like a custom molded handle, very comfortable and natural, one of the reasons I chose this gun. But for the price and handling this is an excellent weapon and a great choice as a first handgun.

    The bottom line is that It’ll fire when you need it to and you know you’re going to hit what you’re aiming at. I never leave home without it.