SIG SAUER P250
SIG have just launched the new SIG SAUER P250 pistol. What makes this pistol interesting is its ability to change calibers!
The frame and fire control groups are available for calibers 9mm, .45, .40 S&W and .357SIG can be changed into three different families of grips: Subcompact, Compact and Full (each available in three sizes). Two types of triggers, standard and short. Very cool!
Overall there are (including left/right hand configuration) 144 different combinations, not bad straight out of the factory.
From SIGSAUER.com
The P250, a modular pistol that allows the shooter to change caliber and size at will.
The SIG SAUER P250 was designed specifically to address the future needs of the military, law enforcement, and civilian shooters around the world. The P250 will be available in the most popular calibers;(9mm, .357SIG, .40S&W and .45ACP). The P250’s innovative design enables the shooter to quickly remove the functional mechanism and place it into the polymer grip of his choice. This allows an immediate change in caliber and size;(subcompact, compact and full). And after any change the pistol delivers both outstanding accuracy and reliable functionality.
It’s modularity not only provides incredible ease of maintenance, but also provides a solution for accommodating different hand sizes – there are 6 different ergonomic combinations for each size, accomplished by changes in grip circumference and trigger style. Now you can own the world’s only modular shooting system globally engineered to deliver the “to hell and back” reliability you’ve come to expect from Sig Sauer.
Caliber 9mm
Trigger Pull DAO 5.5 – 6.5 lbs
Overall Length 7.20″
Overall Height w/ Mag 5.12″
Overall Width 1.3″ (Std. Grip)
Sight Radius 5.79″
Sights SIGLITE® Night Sights
Weight w/ Mag 24.60oz
Magazine Capacity 9mm 16 Rounds
Grips Interchangeable Polymer
Finish Nitron®
MSRP $699.00
CA Compliant No
MA Compliant No
Here is a video about the pistol
Hat Tip: Real Gun Guys
The iconic IMI Desert Eagle also allows caliber changes. From .357 Magnum, to .41 Remington Magnum, to .44 Magnum and to .50AE.
Swap the bolt, barrel and magazine and you’re good to go!
(I don’t see the .41 Remingtons offered anymore at the Magnum Research site, so I’m glad I got one when I did!)
A couple nother caliber swapping guns I like are the Micro-Uzi (9mm and .45 Auto); and my AR-17 (.22 LR, .223 Rem, and .50 BMG)
Sweetness.
I had forgotten about the Desert Eagle!
SIG should have offered a .22LR conversion, even if it was more expensive than the other calibers it would have been popular.
I saw a photo of your AR-17 .50 BMG
I got to handle one tonight, and was so disappointed. The trigger doesn’t reset until it’s completely let up, and there’s no click to help you find it. That’s forever going to handicap this pistol when it comes to fast shooting. Even the DAK trigger resets about halfway back through its travel, and offers a noticeable click. I’m sure it’s very reliable and accurate – it’s a SIG – but if this is the direction they’re moving, I’m glad I got the P239 DAKs when I did.
Just got mine the other day and have fired 550rds so far. Very accurate and very quick to shoot. changed from a glock/xd carry and don’t feel like I gained more than I may have lost. Very quick follow up shots. Very easy to clean. Gun is very light, made my xd9 feel like a brick.
Made a typo, I DO feel like I gained more than I may have lost. Good price for a good gun
Hi Robert, thanks for the info. What caliber and configuration where you using? Are you planning on purchasing other configurations?
Do you agree with Jason’s above comment about the trigger?
I’ve put about 1500 rounds through mine and I gotta say, for a DAO, it’s pretty nice. I agree it doesnt have the reset my G23 and G19 has, but the light as a feather trigger more than makes up for that. I wholeheartidly disagree with anyone who says you can’t fire this weapon fast. Believe me, you can. You just have to pull your old revolver finger out, thats all. In April when SIG releases the short trigger (not the short reset, but rather a trigger geared for those with shorter fingers) this gun will be damn near perfect, for a DAO. And all this coming from a guy whose so in love with his SIG P226Navy that I named her jennifer and refuse to date any girl who isn’t names Jennifer also…mostly so I don’t have to remember whose name I’m calling out in the sack…hee hee hee.
I bought the P250 two-tone and am very happy with its accuracy, reliability and lightness. I also like the 16 round capacity (9mm) in a compact gun.
We bought our sig p250 a week ago, we put 100rds through. Very nice, very smooth and easy to operate. Did have one jam though,it faied to eject the old casing.
Had a friend with us who has a springfield hd 9mm, compared the two, and now wants to buy the Sig. Very Nice peice!
I got the P250 about two weeks now and I’ve shot about a 100rounds so far, I’ve very impressed with the overall performance, but I guess I overlooked DAO, because of quickly deciding what to buy, compared to my fathers P226 it doesnt compare the same. I’m considering getting the short trigger, not sure if this will make much of a difference with the trigger pull. But if anyone has any suggesting post it up, id really appreciate the info.
I completely agree with what Brownmajik says with respect to the trigger being fast if used properly. I’ve tried what he suggests on a hangun with a rather long reset, and it works fine. I actually just let my finger go of the trigger and let the trigger fly back itself. Followup shots are plenty fast. It takes some getting used to, but it’s not too slow at all. Could come from the fact that I haven’t fired a revolver in years, though.
I’m going to give a P250 a look this Xmas when I have the extra cash. I’d love a “classic” Sig, but I probably can’t afford one of them right now. The P250 is absolutely a good idea, and another thing I really like about it, it disassembles COMPLETELY by the user. That means for those of us who like to do DuraCoat jobs, we don’t have to take it to an armorer to get all the nook and cranny detailed.
Lokking to buy my first high powered pistol for home
defense & carry. Leaning towards the 45 acp, but really liked the fit and feel of the Ruger SR9. Although I am 6′2″ and weigh 225, I have small hands. (No, the old adage is not true) Even the Glock 30 SF felt too bulky. The SR9 feels great, but I would prefer the 45acp.
Any comments on the Sig 250?
Appeciate your input.
Thanks,
Steve
Having owned a myriad of SIGs, Glocks and H&Ks, my initial impression of the P250 was somewhat apprehensive, as now we have a SIG pistol COMPLETELY manufactured outside of Europe. Say what you will, but the Germans and Swiss simply produce the best weapons in the world (I am an admitted gun bigot). So, the US-made SIG had me skeptical.
I was able to get a P250 compact with night sights in 9mm at a reasonable price from a hungry local dealer–you will note the American-made SIG does not carry the high price tag of it’s Swiss and German-made cousins. First time to the range, I put 300 rounds of various manufacture through this gun, including a few RBCD frangible rounds. The P250 performed flawlessly. The trigger was a tad long, but very smooth and workable. Recoil was better than most 9mm’s I’ve shot in the past. Balance and accuracy were above average for an out-of-the-box gun.
In short, I’m impressed. Right now, the 9mm version is relatively easy to find. The other calibers are almost nonexistent; I did find a couple of .40 S&W here in Florida, but the dealers want a premium price. The caliber/grip flexibility is nice-but not very practical for the private gun owner here in the USA. As such, I recommend buying the “whole gun” that you really want…..the upgrade grips and caliber change-outs are very expensive (you could almost buy another gun). SIGARMS got cheap on one point, as they ship the new P250 with only one magazine. SIG branded mags for the P250 were about $45 in one of our gun shops. You have to factor this in if you are comparing the P250 to a weapon that comes with 2 mags.
All in all, the P250 lives up to the SIG name and standard of superior quality, innovation and function. It is a great gun at a good price and you should not be disappointed.
I am a big European Sig/SigSauer fan. Disappointed However with my Sig Pro. Do not find it well balanced but I do find it controls recoil well. Now looking for a new Polymer 9MM and considering the Beretta PX4, Heckler & Koch P30 & P2000 as well as the P250 and would be interested in hearing more comparison on balance and recoil if posible.
UPDATE: As it relates to my entry on 18 October, I have had some recent problems with my P250. These center around the trigger not fully engaging the action after firing. The problem occurred intermittently and frequently. I contacted SIG Customer Service and they took a report and sent me an overnight UPS label to return the gun to the factory. I did so, and was pleasantly surprised to see the gun returned to me 4 days later. The gunsmith replaced a trigger spring and the grip module. I eagerly test fired the gun that weekend (using 2 brands of ammo) and in going through 4 full mags, I had 3 instances of the same malfunction.. This was better that pre-repair, but still not right. I’ve sent the gun back to SIG a second time and now await its return. As a note, the first rep I spoke with said he had seen some P250’s returned with issues similar to mine, the second rep told me he was aware with any problems involving this new platform……we’ll see what happens next, the ball’s in SIG’s court. SIG has always been a reputable company, and I have no reason to think that they will follow through with whatever needs to be done to make this right.
In a nutshell, you might want to do a little research on this trigger issue before buying the P250. It’s a brand new platform for 2008 and very early in the game. Maybe my gun is an exception, maybe not…….
I appreciate everyone’s input regarding the Sig P 250. I am having the same problems with misfires. I have had my Sig for a couple of months now and I have shot at least 600 rds. I was shooting Winchester “white box” ammo with as much as 20% misfires where I had to pull the trigger on the bullet 2 -3 times to get it to fire. I did eject some of them to see if I could determine why and it looked like a “soft” strike with the firing pin.
The dealer where I bought it said it was the ammo’s problem. I have tried 4 different brands of ammo with the same problems. One brand of ammo actually did not eject and had to be pried out of the chamber.
Remington had the fewest misfires of all.
Don:
I’m curious….did your P250 misfire with a complete cycle of the action ( ie.- pull trigger, hammer pulls back, releases and strikes firing pin)? Mu misfires had nothing to do with ammo, as when this occurred the hammer was not actuated nor the firing pin struck.
If your misfires occurred with the hammer striking the pin, then this is a different problem that what I have experienced. When the pin on my gun is struck by the hammer, it fires and cycles/ejects every time. It’s just getting that damn trigger to engage the hammer consistently that is the problem with my P250. Still waiting on it to come back from SIG.
If you are having the same problem with multiple brands of factory ammo, it IS NOT an ammo problem, it is a gun problem. Your dealer needs to go back and retake Gunsmithing 101 or maybe get out of the gun business altogether, because he obviously doesn’t have a clue (or maybe just does not want to be bothered with your problem). My advice is to deal with SIG directly. Their customer service # is in your user’s manual and also on their website.
when I have the gun broke down and watch the trigger actuate it appears that the hammer falls before the trigger gets all the way back
…and I am calling Sig now
Thanks
Don
I was at Sig Sauer Academy this weekend for the Practical Handgun Skills training class and use a P250 in 9mm with a medium and then a large grip. I had several “misfires” with frangible 9mm which the trainer referred to as light strikes. He indicated they had a few of the original P250s and that this was happening with them occasionally. I shot 250 rounds and probably had about 10 light strikes. In my opinion that’s 10 too many.
The mixed blessing was that almost every time I encountered a light strike the barrel of my gun was moving and therefore I realized my trigger press wasn’t good. Yes, I’m a beginner.
BTW, I highly recommend the Sig Sauer classes for anyone in or visiting NH. After two 8 hour classes I feel I’m a trained and responsible citizen ready to exercise my 2nd amendment rights!
Update on my P250-9. After two returns to the factory for misfires, the problem happened yet again. I spoke with a nice guy in SIG’s Customer Service and he asked that I return the gun once more. After about a week, I checked back with them and found out that SIG is going to replace the weapon altogether.
I’m still waiting on the “new” P250 and I hope it works better than my first one. My concern is it sounds like there are others having similar problems, which could possibly indicate an issue with the entire P250 platform……I hope this is not the case, but I guess time will tell.
I took my conceal and carry class last weekend. The night before the class I picked up a Sig P250 at a gun show. With no new ammo in sight, I took the old 9mm ammo from our gun cabinet here and had the worst case of misfires. I was pretty disgusted. I’ve never had a gun misfire 50 percent of the time (25 times on 50 rnds). My instructor cleared the weapon and checked the ammo after the first incident and found the light strikes on the shell casing. This is a factory refurbished gun with the tape around the grip, the red plastic case, the whole nine yards. Maybe I got Tim’s old gun. I actually had better scores with the Ruger LCP .380 since it at least fired consistently (not one misfire on 100 rnds) even at 50 feet though with the weak hand I noticed it has a kick to the right on recoil. At the end of the class, I had a chance to retake the headshot portion with my P250, and ride out the misfires. The accuracy was amazing, but it took 10 trigger pulls to fire those last 4 rounds.
It’s so unfortunate to hear about Kate’s experience……unfortunately this story is sounding all too familiar. After 3 weeks, I have still not received my replacement P250 from SIG…..they claim they do not yet have a P250 available to ship. If I don’t get an answer soon, I’m going to try one more time to get a manager at SIG in New Hampshire. I may have to get legal if that doesn’t work, but I hope it won’t come to that.
For all of those considering a P250, I’d have to suggest you give this gun a little more time to see where all of this problem with misfires ends up. I suspect that given the number of people with the same problem in new guns that there is quite likely a problem with this new U.S. built platform that has been out for less than a year. Stick with a German or Swiss made SIG model and you won’t be disappointed. Right now it appears that the P250 isn’t fit to wear the SIG logo.
Don’t understand why everyone talks bad about the Sig P250. I’ve owned mine for about 4 months now and I must agree the stiffer trigger is definitely going to take some time getting use to(much different that my p226).. In regards to misfires….not even one. 200 rounds was put through it one the first day and all were flawless. (115g JHP Sellier and Bellot was the ammo used). Reading all the comments does make it seem that the P250 is a bad gun, i don’t believe so. Of course there are several other popular brands in the same price range that offer quality pistols, but if your looking for a reasonable price on a Sig, go for the P250. As to the constant misfires thats commented, it may very well be a defective batch or where u got the gun initially, no?
I have fired about 7400 rounds through my 9mm P250 and have experienced the light strike issue referred to in the earlier posts. Winchester primed rounds seemed to have the highest failure rate. I am now having great results with Federal primers. I use Federal Hydro Shock as my personal protection loads and reload Moly coated lead practice rounds with Federal Primers in bulk.
I read Kate’s problem and it sounded exactly like how my Sig P250 was doing at first. The more I shot the less sensitive it became to the ammo I used. It started out as 8% – 20% misfires and now I have none with Independence brand. I have retried several ammo brands and Winchester “white box” still gives me trouble. Independence brand is the best 9mm (for me)so far. It seems to be loaded accurately —maybe not match grade but no “hot” loads. I also learned I need to keep that P250 very clean and the rails seem to like a little more than a drop of oil when cleaning.
I have had my p250 40 S&W for a week now and have put 300rd through it and have not had one single problem maby it has something to do with the 9mm???
I just ordered my P-250 but after reading all the comments I think I have come to the understanding that all the issues are with the 9mm- I ordered the 40, so I hope I dont have any issues but if I do…I’ll just return it to my local dealer to which I ordered it from…seems like the sensible thing to do after so many times sending it back to the factory…wouldn’t you say?
I picked up my P250 40 S&W yesterday, went to the range as soon as I picked it up, first Fully loaded magazine inserted would not chamber the first round, dumped half the rounds out of magazine and it jammed every two to three shots. (Jammed meaning bullet went half way into barrel and locked solid) To fix the problem had to drop magazine, lock slide to the rear and use fingernail to pull rim of bullet out of barrel and drop it down the magazine well. Took to certified gunsmith he said P250 and 9mm have has problems like this before and that it is a new platform for SIG that has not had much field testing. He said to be prepared to send the gun back and forth to SIG until they work the kinks out.
Well there really isn’t any loss wether it jams or not. It is not non refundable or exchangable. Just gotta hope I you get one with no problems.There are quite a few comments that state theirs are working fine.I guess its wether you get lucky or not…kinda sucks it works that way but hey its not like you can’t pick somthing else out that is same quality, there are still good manufactures to look at H&k other SIG models, glock, even though I think glock looks like a cookie cutter gun, yet has had no problems its just not apealing to me at all. All guns do the job but there is still the intimidation factor. I rather my gun be intimidating enough not to use it (IF) a problem was to accure. Glocks just dont do anything for me. I will look in all other area’s making the Glock my last stop. What everyone needs to do is just check this gun out for themselves.
I have a P250 .40 S&W and have had a couple of jams, mostly with chambering first round also. I need to try a couple of brands of ammo through to see if I can work around issue without sending back to SIG. I have only fired PMC Bronze line so far, I have some Winchester White box ready to fire.
I actually tried P250 9mm over the weekend at range (it was a range gun), and it jammed again and again using UMC ammo. The gun was clean, but magazine rattled when loaded. The accuracy was terrible at 15 yrds, I totally missed target compared to my .40 where I hit center of head consistently.
The impression I get is that the date of manufacture and the caliber are key, the newer the better. Sad to say, I would not trust this gun in a life-or-death situation, I keep my other weapon loaded for that!
Hey all, I just purchased the P250 .40 compact two-tone. It shot very well for the first 200 rounds as Sigs always do. But following that I had 4 separate times in 13 shotswhere the empty shell did not get extracted. I also had 3 misfires throughout shooting. I checked the rounds that misfired and the firing pin had hit the round, but it was a “soft strike” each time. I took it to a Sig Armourer and he was rather surprised, but had no answer. We shot high quality duty ammo through it and the jams still occurred. He called our Sig regional sales rep and that’s where it stands. So this is definitely something about the Sig platform rather than the ammo.
After reading so many bad reviews on this gun on several sites I had to cancel my order for this gun. I just have no patience for sending things back and forth to the manufactuer or returning it to the place I would have bought it from. I have done some homework on the Springfield XD .45 acp compact and replaced my order with that. I wanted a .45 to begin with but the .45 sig was 50 something extra on a gun that already was close to seven hundred, while the Springfield is five seventy three and comes with a nice storing case belt holster which I probably won’t use considering I plan to buy the fobus paddle holster they feel great by the way, 2 clip belt holster and a reloader, all of that for 573.00 Sig cannot beat that. Anyway the XD45 sounds to be reliable and a great all around handgun for personal protection. I would have loved to own the SIG but I cannot trust my life to a gun that cannot perform especialy in a life or death situation. I will look at Sig again when I purchase another handgun. Hopefully they will have worked out the kinks.
Well folks, I received my replacement (new) P250-9 from SIG, only after speaking with the Manager of Customer Service in NH. She was a very nice lady, apologized for the problems I’ve had and made no excuses. She has asked me to try the new gun out and to call or e-mail her personally if there are still issues. Time will tell, I have not shot the new gun as of yet.
I have to admit, I’m still skeptical of the P250, maybe more so after reading that many others have had similar problems as well. This is certainly not typical of other SIGs I have owned and carried in the past….I have a P226 that has had literally thousands of rounds through it and still functions flawlessly and with deadly accuracy. I would (and do) trust my life to this gun. Similar experience with my P220.
One concerning post here…..Ryno, no offense to you or anyone else, but please NEVER rely on any so-called “intimidation factor”. This misconception will get you killed. A sidearm is deadly force and should never be drawn on another person unless you are in a life-threatening situation and are ready to and capable of pulling the trigger and killing them at that instant without hesitation. A cracked-up or methed-up doper is intimidated by little or nothing and will not think twice about taking you out if they have half a mind to do so. As for Glocks, while they may not win a beauty contest, they are among the most reliable and durable handguns made–at any price. If the chips are down, I’d take a Glock anytime and twice on Sunday. If you want true reliability, Glock should be one of your first stops, not your last. Don’t take my word for it, just take the word of almost every major law enforcement agency in the U.S., including the FBI. Not to mention numerous military users worldwide. As of now, I can’t disagree with you opting out of the P250 until it has a better track record, or at least more of a track record.
I’ll keep you guys posted on the new P-250, round two. Hopefully all will be good. Thank goodness for SIGs “Lifetime Warranty”….at least they stand behind it.
No offense taken at all, it is good to hear what others have to say. I know Glocks are very reliable, my sisters husband is with the police force here and would take one any day of the week. I am twenty three years old I have never shot anyone, although I will say growing up around my father, us being members of the NRA, him a life time member and die hard republican and useing an array of different firearms I am pretty confident in knowing how to fire a weapon and knowing the reprocutions of doing so. I am also learning everyday about Florida law and that if you pull the gun you better use it. Its illegal in FL to threaten anyone with a firearm. So I will be useing it if I pull it and I am very certain that I can and will protect myself and others if needed. I have not taken any courses as of yet on concealed carry so I am a novice when it comes to the laws. I do admit I have a slight flaw which would be I like to have something nice looking and performance comes 2nd when I look at a gun. Which is not good at all and I have recenlty fixed that. As stated above I did alot of home work on my replacement firearm the Springfield xd 45 acp compact. It is said that it has the quality features of the H&K Glock Sig sauer and the colt 1911 all in one sounds like the perfect gun to me. I also realize it is made in croatia. Now I have no other knowlege of other guns manufacturered by the croats but I am hearing very good things about this particular firearm. I would love to hear anyones constructive critisism if they care to do so. I am a novice so talking down to me isn’t going to earn you points here.
Purchased my Sig p250 .45 ACP for $619 on 2/21 from a dealer at a local gun show (came with one mag and a lock). Took it to the range following day and first 36 rounds flawless. That is where the problems started, now with every mag I experience one or two rounds per mag that will not load and where the slide needs to be jiggered manually to close – or I have to manually eject the round by pulling the slide. I was using Independence brand of .45 fmj ammo, I shot a total of 100 rounds and experienced 20 to 25% failure to load next round consistently with each mag.
I had read the reviews with the issues with the 9mm – but had hoped the release of the .45 ACP would be better – that I would be luckier than the rest. Foolish me.
Sent an email to Sig and have not heard back yet – but in fairness it has only been a day.
I went back to the range the next day after a thorough cleaning, purchased range ammo and experienced the same problem, First two mags, no issue, then 20 – 25% failure to load next round.
I am going to change my ammo today and try 50 rounds of Hornady JHP that I didn’t purchase for range use as much more expensive – but perhaps better quality. So far I have 200 rounds through my new 250.
I am going to try 50 more before I lose all hope that this is just a break-in issue not a defective design.
Just thought you all should know.
Neil
Hey again,
I recently got my Sig P250 .40 compact back from the armourer. The problems I had (posted above) were immediately corrected with the replacement of the extractor. The original extractor was visually defective. I put the two together and the original had a large area “shaved” off to where it would not extract or allow the shell to set correctly in the chamber. They actually replaced my extractor with one from the test gun the armourer had. I’ve shot 600+ rounds through the gun with no problems. I just ordered the shorter trigger assembly… so I’ll let you all know how that turns out too. Take care
Update on my P250 saga:
I sold my new replacement P250 prior to firing a shot, so I won’t be able to comment further on my P250 other than my miserable experience with the first one that was replaced under SIG’s warranty. Was fortunate to get my money out of the gun and extra mag. I took that money, plus a small sum, and bought a P239 in .40 S&W. The 239 functions flawlessly, like a SIG should. Probably something to do with the fact that the frame is stamped “Made in Germany”.
No regrets now, I will continue to maintain that the Germans, Swiss and Austrians make the best automatic handguns, period. Don’t waste your hard-earned money on anything less.
That said, you better get what you want now, before the moronic liberal we call “president” has his way and works further to change the “armed citizen” to the “unarmed peasant”…just another step on the road to socialism. Google “HR 45″ if you want a little taste of what’s coming down the Democrat’s sewer.
One last blurb….if you don’t belong to the NRA, JOIN NOW at http://www.nra.org. They are fighting the good fight to support your 2nd Amendment rights.
I have about 500 rounds through my compact 9 p250. I’ve found it to be well balanced and accurate, the da trigger required some adjustment but the pull is smooth and fast follow up shots aren’t a problem. Finding holsters takes a little more work.
I have a .40 sig 250, and had been experiencing jamming. Frequent jamming. Cleaned it, lubed it, changed ammunition to no avail. I bought two additional magazines. Guess what. The two new ones DID NOT FAIL. Put the original magazine in and low and behold, it failed! I threw it out, not wanting to go through the motions of sending it back etc. So those with feeding problems, try a new mag first. Hope this helps!
I just got my Springfield 45 acp. This gun is amazing it (is) the next Glock.
This gun resembles a HnK, SIG, Glock, and the 1911. Springfield has a killer on deck. The Springfield comes with a great field box that carries two (2) thirteen round clips-were talking 13 rounds of 45 acp when most if not all carry 10 or 8. I will suggest this gun to anyone that is in the market for an amazing carry and home protection handgun. Read this article on this gun. This gun unlike the SIG 250 is still made in europe by the the Croations. No matter where you go on the internet this gun has nothing but praises. Shoots like a dream. And is ready to go to work outa the box. The Springfield Armory has a killer on deck and it is slaughtering the competition.
HS2000 pistol has been developed by Croatian IM Metal company for Croatian army during late 1990s. Production of the 9mm HS2000 started in 1999, with the first pistols being delivered to the Croatian army the same year. In 2000 these pistols first appeared in the USA, initially imported under their original name. However, in late 2001 the Springfield Armory Company of Genseo, Illinois, became the sole importer of HS2000 pistols in USA. Springfield offers a slightly improved version of HS2000 as the Springfield XD (eXtreme Duty pistol), and by now these pistols (still made in Croatia) are available in a variety of sizes, calibers and finishes.
After several years of aggressive sales, these pistols gained good reputation and serious following among American shooters, and by now several police departments in USA either issue these pistols on regular basis or approve them for personal purchase by police officers.
The HS2000 is short-recoil operated, locked-breech pistol with a polymer frame. The barrel locks to the slide with a single large lug which engages the ejection port. Unlocking and locking is controlled by a cam-shaped lug which interacts with a steel insert pinned to the frame. If the insert becomes worn or damaged, any competent gunsmith can easily replace it. The dual return spring arrangement is of the captive type; when assembled, the front of a spring guide rod projects slightly forward from the front of the slide; Springfield advertising literature calls this a “muzzle protector”, but the original text of patent WO02059539, published in August 01, 2002 and granted to the Croatian design team, describes the reason for this feature as to “enable firing the bullet when the pistol is pushed towards someone’s back”. This is “necessary” because HS2000, as almost any other modern pistol, has a disconnector safety that does not permit the release of the striker if the slide is not fully closed and locked to the barrel, and such situation can be easily encountered in circumstances described in the quote. The trigger is single-action, also described in the advertising literature as Ultra Safety Assurance system. The pistol is striker fired, with the firing pin cocking indicator made in the form of a pin which protrudes from the rear of the slide when the gun is cocked. There are no manual safeties on the HS2000, but several automatic safeties are present, such as a firing pin block, a trigger safety and a grip safety. The sights are fixed, with the rear being dovetailed to the slide. Current production pistols also have an integral accessory rail on the frame, below the barrel; early production pistol had no such feature. The double-stack magazines are made of steel and hold 15 rounds of 9mm ammunition for original HS2000 pistols. Magazine release buttons are duplicated on either side of the frame, at the base of the trigger guard. Croatian military issue pistols have a black finish, while commercial pistols may have either black or a “military green” frame with a black or polished steel slide. Commercial models are also available in “Compact” and “Tactical” versions, with barrel lengths of 76mm (3 inch) or 127mm (5 inch) respectively, and in a variety of calibers.
Ryno, thanks for the review!
Ryno:
Thanks for the review of the Springfield. Enjoy your gun; glad you found a pistol you enjoy. In your description, you compare it to the Glock, H&K, and SIG. Duplication is the sincerest form of flattery; you cite the best guns in the world.
I picked up a Walther PPS in .40 S&W this weekend (Made in Germany, not a US made S&W with Walther stamped on the slide). Truly a concealed carrier’s dream. Light, thin, balanced, easily concealed and the power punch of .40 to take care of business without the bulk. The Germans have done it again.
All of this said, this is actually a SIG P250 blog…..need to keep the dialogue on subject. Mike, feeding was not the problem with my P250-9. The problem was in the action. New mags weren’t gonna help that gun (I tried). My experience with the new “American made” SIG P250 was less than a 10 (or 5 for that matter) as noted above. Buy a Swiss or German made SIG and get the “real McCoy”. It’s well worth the extra $100-200.
Hey Tim, I owned a Walther P99 I traded her in but is that a Smith & wesson manufactured Walther?- cause I had some fallouts with it.
If i get the p250 in .45 is it ca compliant? It has a 10 round magazine so i dont see why it wouldn’t be… somebody please help me, im still kinda new to guns
Update.
I love my p250c .45ACP! I think when I fully cleaned and lubricated I haven’t had any issues. As a recap, my first 150 rounds I experienced 20% failure with next round loading after ejection.
Since my post, I have not had any failures.
It is a joy to shoot, easy to clean and is the talk of the range since the .45 ACP was just released.
This is a great pistol and I can’t wait to buy my first conversion to sub compact for ccw.
The trigger is long – but feels right for a .45 because in my experience with the recoil, you reacquire the target as you reset the trigger. I could see the trigger reset being a bigger issue on a smaller round since there is less kick and barrel flip. So DAO IMO works great on the .45 sig p250.
My groupings have been great out to 25 yards – and I really enjoy getting to know this Sig.
If I have issues, I will post a follow up review.
Hope you all are well!
Neil
I ordered a P250 in the .357sig. Has anyone shot one or heard of anyone who has? I can’t find anything on it.
I first got a P250c 9mm just over a year ago, it has been fantastic, I have put well over 1000 rounds through it without ever having a single problem, it has a great trigger action (very smooth) and good grouping.
I decided I wanted a .45 and thought I would go with another P250 this time in Full Size .45ACP. Everyone at my gun range was very excited to see the gun when it arrived and we immediately went to shoot it, from the very first round and for the next 100+ rounds it had a failure to load the next round about 20% of the time (although interestingly round 4,5,6 of 10 almost always loaded). It would also never even try to load the very last round (always left in the mag).
This has been sent back to Sig and here I am 3 weeks later still without any information, from reading the comments above it appears that there is definitely an issue, but maybe it is mag related, if so, why have I not yet received the weapon back with just a new mag. Sig are going down in my estimation for their handling of this, are folks experiencing the issue with all calibers?
Ryno:
My understanding on the P99 is that it is a German-made gun. Best way to tell on these is to simply read the frame. The German-made weapons will have this on the frame…..this is true for SIG as well. Be aware that the modern company “SIG/Sauer” is actually a merger between the Swiss company “SIG” (translation “Swiss Industrial Group”) and the German-based Sauer Brothers AG. Hence the name “SIG/Sauer”. Some of the earlier SIG Sauers will have receivers stamped “Made in Switzerland”. Nothing wrong with that. Swiss precision is just as good as German in my book.
Note that S&W has the importer’s license to bring Walther into the US. As such, these guns will bear the name “Smith & Wesson” somewhere on the receiver because of BATF rules.
Chad:
Based on this blog (you can read it for yourself), I’d cancel the P250 order if I was you. If you like .357 SIG, go for another SIG model or consider a Glock.
I think it’s safe to say that for right now, the P250 needs to go back to the drawing board. Maybe they will get the kinks out of it eventually. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see a recall, especially if the problems continue.
I’ve had no problems with my 40 cal in over 250 rounds. My friend had 1 jam but I saw that he had thumbed the mag release before releasing the slide-resulting in the jam. I’ve also used federal american eagle target (101 rounds), winchester usa (100 rounds) and the SXZ fmj (50) and jhp’s (13) with no problems. I also had the short trigger installed but have yet to try it. Hopefully I wont experience any issues. I was surprised by hown much muzzle jump there is in the 40. I think the frame is a little too light to compensate for the action. I added an STL900l tactical light to weigh down the front a bit, plus I use it as my HD weapon anyway.
I have been reading the P250 responses since I first bought mine and it was very particular which ammo I used. (9mm) The more I shot it the better it performed. It took over 2000 rounds to get it to this state. I called Sig Sauer and they told me to shoot it! Run a few thousand rounds through it and see if it perfroms better and it did. The only ammo that consistently misfires is Winchester ‘white box’ The dealer where I bought it said Winchester had a hard primer. The only other thing I did was to generously lube the rails of the operating slide with Hoppe’s gun oil and just wipe off excess oil by running a Q-tip down the slide. It performs much better than before and I am actually starting to like it.
Wow, Don. You are much more forgiving than me (and many others) when it comes to the P250.
When I shell out my hard earned $$$ for a weapon, I expect and demand that it functions as designed every time, without fail. This is why I will buy only quality weapons from reputable manufacturers, like SIG/Sauer. I frequently use smaller sidearms such as the P250 for concealed carry, therefore there is no room for screw-ups or malfunctions.
As far as I’m concerned, any modern firearm should fire and cycle any appropriate caliber, commercially-manufactured ammunition that is loaded to SAAMI or military specs. Having to pick and choose ammo based on brands that will “work or not work” is just not acceptable, nor is a weapon that requires undue or extra lubrication or other tweaking. If your a weekend “plinker”, maybe this is not as critical. If you carry for defense or duty, the results of a malfunctioning weapon can be devastating.
In light of what so many people have expressed about problems with the P250, I truly believe SIG should consider a recall of this model before someone gets hurt or killed as a result of the malfunctions described.
I’VE HAD MY 250 FOR ABOUT 6 MONTHS. SHOT OVER 500 ROUNDS OF ASSORTED BRANDS OF 9MM THROUGH IT WITHOUT A HICCUP. ACCURACY, RELIABILITY ARE BEYOND COMPARE. THIS IS A GREAT GUN. I WOULD RECOMMEND IT TO EVERYONE.
sig p250 is the most fustrating gun i have ever known, multiple malfunction with jamming, seems like a feed problem, also jacket of bullet gets caught on the introduction of barrel. twice retured to sig and now in the mail as we speak for the third time-regreting my purchase witha sour taste in my mouth.
Hey, People.
I was thinking of ordering a 9mm P250 compact, to keep my Glock 26 and Browning Hi-Power company.
After reading your reviews, I’m going to wait for a while. It generally sounds like this model still has some bugs to work out.
It may be ok for target shooting…just clear it and shoot it. But since I use both of my nines at different times as concealed carry weapons, I can’t afford even one misfire.
All kidding aside, I’ve NEVER had a FTF, FTE, or a light strike, with either weapon. I’d trust both of these pistols with my life. Unfortunately, it doesn’t sound like the P250’s there yet.
I took my new Sig Sauer P250 in .40 today to the range. I shot 200 rounds of white box Winchester through it. It performed flawlessly. It was built April 11th 2009 according to the paperwork on the box. I did 13 rds in each of my 3 clips that came with it and no problems. I then procedded to rotate clips and fired several times in a rapid fire fashion. Never any problems. I think some of these guys with previous posts got a lemon or something else going on. Even the best products in the world have their lemons. I would recommend the Sig P250 .40 to my friends or family.
BTW, I usually target and test with Speer Lawman 165 grn jacketed ammo. I decided to use the Winchester 165 grain FMJ today that looks exactly like my Speer Lawman and the Win was $31 for 100rd white box at Wal Mart. I did this as a personal test since some guys here said it was failing from light strikes above. I also took my Glock 23 .40 to the range at the same time. The Sig is more comfortable. The Glock was slightly more accurate right out of the box. Both were unfired until today. I don’t believe everything I read on the internet anyway. Buy a Sig P250 if you want one. I am impressed with mine so far. NO Problems today with my intent to abuse it at the range and it responded and performed flawlessly!
I too own a new P250 in 40 S&W. It’s the eighth Sig in my stable. When I got it, it was the replace a P239 in 9mm. (I still have a P239 in 40 S&W. ) I took it to the range and had way to many jams in the beast. I was using ammo that I had reloaded for IDPA competition. Reloads that worked in my other Sig’s. I figured it must be the guns newness. After cleaning and oiling the functioning didn’t change. I then began a process of increasing my charge and reviewing my spec’s. I finally had to review my entire reloading process. I adjusted the OAL, crimp, and charge. Now it runs great. When I originally had the trouble I ran a box of UMC through it. They ran flawlessly. As did Winchester Ranger. This made me look at my reloads. I’m glad I did. Now I have a carry gun I can stake my life on. I don’t carry reloads when I carry. I presently have about 400 rounds through it. I will reafirm my findings this week with another trip to the range.
Good to hear that maybe there are some “OK” P250’s out there. I still wouldn’t bet MY behind on one, only based on the experience I had with my 9mm. As to Neil’s comments, reloads are one thing (BTW, don’t tell Sig you shot reloads or you can use your warranty for TP), but again I assert that any modern handgun should function flawlessly with any commercially loaded, SAAMI spec ammunition without fail. Anything else is just not acceptable and potentially dangerous.
As I no longer own a P250, I’m basically done with this blog. Suffice it to say that my best advice on this gun is “caveat emptor”….I’m not the only one that had problems with this platform, and I’d like to think I know what I’m talking about after earning sidearm expert decoration in the military and over 10 years in forensics and law enforcement.
Also, for all you true “old time” SIG enthusiasts out there, SIG had an overrun of the infamous P228 in 9mm for a German military contract earlier this year. These guns were all completely MADE IN GERMANY (not just the frame) and were packaged with 13 round mags. SIGARMS in NH imported a bunch of these from Germany and they are around in limited numbers…..look on Gunbroker or ask your favorite dealer. I picked one up last week and took it to the range. If you shoot one, you’ll know what a SIG should be. This one is flawless and dead-on. They probably won’t last long, as they have not been imported for over 5 years and are no longer made for commercial sale and are therefore very desirable to the true SIG aficionado. If you truly want a legendary European SIG and can live with 9mm, I’d strongly recommend spending another $150 or so and getting the “real McCoy”.
I’m back from the range an all is well. My latest load worked, and to my surprise, so did my lighter load. Everything worked fine. I shot about 70 rounds and the gun functioned as designed. My confidence level is growing. After reading comments on this blog I was worried, but now I think I have a keeper. I’m putting my Glock 23 on the block. I think Glocks are a great functioning machine, but they just don’t fit my hand. I bought it because of it’s reliability in spite of the fit. Afterall, it’s only a ‘car gun’. My new P250 will replace it and I will use it in IDPA matches along with my P229 Elite.
By the “white box” you guys are talking about the ammo that they sell at Wal-Mart are reloads? I didn’t know that. I just saw it was affordable and same grain as my more expensive ammo and comes in a white Winchester box. That’s why I chose it to use at the range. I wonder if we are talking about the same kind of ammo? Anyone have a link to a “white box” picture? What is stamped on the back of the casing..Any particular ID? Thanks
Hey Everyone (esp. Neil):
Just for clarification, “white box” Winchester is not “reload” ammo. It is a no-frills, FMJ, target grade ammo that is commercially loaded by Winchester. Think of it as a “generic” ammo, if nothing else. It is loaded according to SAAMI specs, and is perfectly reasonable to use in a range or target-shooting setting. Probably not what you want to carry as a duty or defense load, but that is not the purpose for which it is manufactured. Just FYI, most retailers will not sell “reloads” (ie. ammunition loaded into previously fired brass casings) due to the liability associated with this practice. Ammunition of this type should be clearly labeled as such.
My first handgun a beautiful compact p 250 40 s&w. I had to wait 4 days before I could pick it up because I had to work and then had to wait a few more before I could take it out. I loaded my one clip that came with it pulled the trigger and wow! I was in love. I pulled the trigger a second time…. Nothing. It jammed. I pulled back on the slide, removed the jammed cartridge and pulled the trigger. I was in love again. Then it jammed every otherr cartridge until I emptied the mag. I reloaded with a wolf 40 s&w fmj and had no problems. But when I loaded with lawman tmj 40 s&w it jammed constantly. I figured it’s a brand new pistol so maybe it’s touchy and dosent like the lawman. I never thought that I would be blogging about my new p250 negativly the first time I shot it but after reading all of these blogs most saying the same thing, I’m fearffull I have made a mistake with my first choice in home protection. I really hope I’m wrong
I had much the same problem. I tried many different loads. All with the same outcome. Then all of a sudden it worked. It shoots everything I feed it and wants more. I too was disapointed when I got it to the range. All my other Sig’s shot right out of the box with flawless precison. This one was different. Now that I have about 400 rounds through it, it to is flawless. The difference that I see between our guns is I started shooting reloaded ammo, as I am a IDPA shooter and we can’t afford to use store-bought ammo. My loads are at the lower end of the reloading spectum. When I ran the UMC, which is Remingtons “white Box”, I had no issues. I can’t tell you when it happened. It just started shooting everything.
I guess I am lucky compared to some of you I bought a Sig 250C with the digital camo frame and it just feeds and ejects every ammo I have tried so far not one jam yet. I have about 500++Rds throught the pistol and find it easy to get good accuracy with and really like the pistol overall my favortive Sig so far. I am thinking of buying another 250 the tactical model with threaded barrel next week or two.
Great Cody! My P250 is now as yours is. Everything I feed it goes bang. Even the stuff that originally jammed it. I bought hte compact because the sub-compack was delayed until August and my gun-buy fix needed to be satisfied. I was even entertaining a Glock 27. Now I’m waiting for the sub-compack. By August I’ll get the shakes again.
Well since my last post I have done a lot of research. I was concerned that their might be something seriously wrong with my sig P 250 40 s&w. I’m new to guns this is my 1st one. So when someone at the local gun shop asked me if I has cleaned my gun? I said no it’s brand new it had never been shot . Well be barked back over the phone you have to clean your gun before you shoot it. So I did. I took it apart and gave it a good cleaning I took it out for a second time and it shot everything even the stuff that was jamming like crazy the first time out. So for all of you nwwbies that are reading these blogs worried that you bought a dud, clean your guns. It just night cure what ails you. I am in love again !!!!!
I had much the same experience. I shot is without cleaning and had the same results you did. I took it home and cleaned and oiled it and only lessened the trouble. I not sure when it was was it just started to shoot. Now it shoots everthing, even the rounds that it used to puke over. This one is my eighth Sig and I never had these problems. All my other Sig’s were flawless with no brake in period. Good luck.
I had great experiences at first. Then I started experiencing the jamming and FTE problems with my 9mm 250. I read up, looked it over, panicked, wondered if I should have gone with a Glock or XD…..blah blah blah. I contacted Sig and someone got back to me. I did two things. One, I stopped shooting the Blazer ammo. Apparently, this type of ammo has a little coating that gums up the chamber. Then I cleaned the gun with special attention to the chamber and extractor. I took it to the range and shot the Blazer again (it was all the range lets you shoot) and had more issues. I switched to Speer Gold Dot 115gr and 124gr (shhhhhhh….don’t tell anyone) and had no problems. Went outdoors and shot up some Winchester and PMC ammo. No problems. I think the chamber, the extractor, the angle of the magazine, the tolerances on the parts that have to come together, and the ammo used are all contributing factors to things that could go wrong. But a clean working model with good ammo seems to do the job. I would definitely shake it down if you buy conversions before you carried it.
Overall, I am happy with it. I love the fact I can practice my trigger pull as many times as I want and every pull is exactly the same. I love the fact you can visually inspect and remove any part easily except the firing pin. I love the fact that the trigger pull is long enough to make an accidental discharge less likely. Dry fire practice is important…. I also like the capacity, the price, and the night sites. I believe after a few more range days of no misfires or FTEs I will forget the experiences of the past. I hope that someday I can be sure…..but I guess some guns need a “shake down” period. If it messes up again it is a goner. I agree with all of you. Tim….for getting rid of it. And all the others for sticking with it because it treated you right. It does seem that other manufacturer’s guns seem to be treating more people right….right out of the box. The day the Sig P250 can always fire ANY round, ANY caliber, ANY Frame, and ANY assembly…….THEN it will earn the reputation that Glock seems to have. We are all just beta testers of their concept.
I am one with Tim and of the many owners let down by the new Sig P250. I believe their foray into the polymer market is a bust with this crap. Twice a round exploded in the gun. And twice the EXTRACTOR flew off in two different times… Now, I have had loads explod in the gun before with my Steyr M9 but never has the extractor flown off… The funny thing is I used the same ammo as my friends in the range use. They have M&P, Glock, Taurus,CZ all polymers..But its only the Sig P250 that was choosey with reloaded ammo’s not only that the triggers takes like forever to press much like a revolver..I should have bought a German made gun..As I understand this is their first polymer gun..It will never live up to its steel brothers 226,228,220 etc..Its the stain in Sig Sauers armor…Im so disappointed with this gun, Im thinking of getting a G19 or G23 as a replacement..
Good Riddance…
same problem with a468 the bullets exploded inside and the extractor flew off twice. if it where a life threatening situation i’d be dead by now. im really disappointed with my gun. sig sauer should consider pulling out the p250 line. very very disappointing
I am considering a Sig P250 .40 S&W, a buddy has it for a price that I can’t pass up, I have always liked Sigs but never had one. He is selling it because he wanted a Glock .45 cal instead and got one. I normally shoot 1911 .45 cal or Ruger P85 9mm and reload for both. Looking at the reload specks on the .40 cal there is a warning comment that says, “Do not use reloads in Glock or similar guns with chambers that do not fully support the cartridge due to the intrusion of the feed ramp. It can result in case rupture.” I am going to Sig next week to verify but just looking for input on blogs anyone have info on the chambering of the Sig P250.
Ratfink:
If you read much of the feedback on this blog regarding the P250, you will quickly realize why you may be able to get this gun at such a bargain. In many prior P250 owner’s opinions (mine included), your chambering concerns are fluff compared to the issues with the P250 platform in general. Caveat emptor.
I’m a IDPA range officer at our local gun club. I own seven SIG’s includiong a P250 in 40 S&W. I have had no mishaps with the chamber so far. However, the gun took me several hundred rounds before break-in was achieved. No new gun manufacturer advises reloaded ammo. Since you are a reloader you should already know the protential problems you might face. At todays match I had a case rupture in a Glock 34. It blew the back of the case clean off. I was standing next to the shooter when it happened. I believe the cause was a double load of powder. When the round was fired there was a noticable increase in report and recoil. It even blew the mag out of the gun. After pulling the rest of the case out of the gun the shooter completed the course of fire. Modern guns are stout. Sigs are great guns too. Good luck in your search for anwsers.
Keep your powder dry.
Jim
Sig P250 is a fine weapon. I have shot hundreds of rounds through my .40cal P250 without any problems. Seems like the problems guys are with 9mm guns with reloads. Maybe you guys should rethink your reloading or use a better primer? I have left my Glock 23 at home and now carrying my P250.
I sold my Glock 23, and it was only months old. Glock just don’t have the ergonomics for me. My P250 shoots great now. Everything I put in it runs. I have just purchased a M&P Compact in 40 S&W as a carry gun. Not that I haven’t or won’t carry the 250, it’s just a size concern. The bigger 250 won’t fit in what I what to carry it in. The Smith will. Anyone thinking of a Glock should take a long look at a M&P. They are more ergo friendly and all American. My little guy shoots so well I may be buying another larger one for competition.
“Peace through superior firepower.”
Relative to Troy’s comment, I will say that I can’t speak for anyone else, but the problems with my P250-9 were not related to reloads….all factory ammo and none of it (3 brands) functioned properly. While the 9mm and .40 S&W are different calibers, I think there is more than enough experience on this blog (and other sources) that illustrate that the P250 platform has had issues. That fact was validated to me by a SIG rep in NH. If your experience is different, then I would consider you more lucky than the gun perfect.
I personally would never trust my life to any weapon that requires “break in” (whatever that means) or is persnickety about any appropriate-caliber factory ammo. In 2009, that is simply unacceptable. Take it for what it’s worth, but I have 10 years of LE experience and a small arms expert ribbon from the Air Force with 8 years of military service. As such, I would humbly consider myself credible. I still own several SIGs, just not a P250.
I’d be curious to know just how many LE agencies or military organizations have adopted the P250…….while I don’t know the exact number, I suspect it’s a pretty short list (if it’s a list at all).
To support Tim. Even with my P250 functioning as designed now. I have never had a SIG need break-in. All of my other SIG’s were fawless from day one. If I had to take one and run with it wouldn’t be the P250. I have so many Sig’s that I almost want to make excuses for the gun, but I can’t. If I carry a Sig now it would be my SAS. Just to make things straight. I bought the SAS in DAK and had it converted to DA/SA with the short trigger reset. I also have Tue-glo day-night sites. I never liked the DAK. The triger on the P250 is a better pull to my ergonomics. Thats the reason I bought it. It pionts well and the trigger, albeit long, was fine.
I wish this blogs were here before I purchased my P250 9mm almost a year ago. I purchased my P250 at a shooting range brand new out of the box. The first 80 rounds was great, I was in the groove and then all of sudden it jammed and would not release after shot. Tried a few more rounds and the same thing happened. It would not release the shell after shot. Sent it back to Sig and they replaced the EXTRACTOR. Shot another 100 rounds and it was happening again but not as much. Still was annoying enough for me to send it back again. After a couple of weeks they sent it back saying no malfuntions. I tried different ammo this time it was not loading. It was getting stuck as soon as I released it to arm. It was happening to often. Sent it back to Sig again. They told me they shot 100 rounds with no malfunctions. They used Magtech 9mm luger 115gr FMC. I purchased the same ammo today did not shoot it yet but tested the loading feature and so far it is working (loading into chamber). Let us see if it extracts the shell after fire. I do think that they have a problem and are not sure what exactly it is, but for the people who are happy with their P250 you should be considered lucky and I am happy for those who are satisfied with their P250. As I read through all the blog that there are more dissatisfied users than happy users. I hope mine works because I do like the gun but it is forcing me to get rid of it entirely. Good luck to all.
Since you have read the comments on this site you will know that my problems went away around 400 rounds. I was considering a sub compact purchase when I bought the compact version. I am now he proud owner of an M&P compact in 40. It fired first time every time. I own seven other Sig’s and they were all fawless. Had I read this blog first I would have one less dust collector in my safe. I was told by a Sig dealer that the P250 was intro’d in Europe four years ago and is a proven design. I beg to differ with him after reading all the negative comments. Good luck with yours. I have alway worried when someone told me they had someting that was ‘all things to all people.’ I’m still worried.
I have returned my P250 40 Cal. three times for jamming problem. It was received at Sig Sauer 7/28/2009. I was told over two weeks ago that I would receive a replacement. That was after several unreturned emails and no returned phone calls from customer service.
Again, the customer service rep refuses to return my inquiries as to when the replacement is to be shipped. I have talked to his boss who stated that the gun was to be shipped 8/20 or 8/21. When I asked for a tracking number, I got no response.
Sig Sauer would do well to monitor their customer service..
I so wished I would have found this Blog before I bought my P250 .45 Compact. I’ve had the same problems that several people have had with Failure to Feed. I used 4 different factory ammo, still consistent in failure to feed.
My frustration was worsened when I called Sig and the Customer Service Rep insisted that the serial number I was giving him was not to a Sig Sauer firearm. I took it back to the dealer so that they could deal with Sig.
My wife bought a Springfield XD 9 subcompact for concealed carry, and it’s a great weapon right out of the box. As soon as I get my P250 back, I’m trading it in, as I don’t think I would feel comfortable carrying it.
My P250 Compact in 40 S&W jamed for the first 400 rounds. Then it shot fine. I presently have it at my local gun store on consignment. I bought a S&W Compact in 40 to replace it. I liked the S&W so much that I bought another today for IDPA competition. The P250 isn’t near what my other six SIG’s are. I’m going with the Smith’s for comp and carry. My other Sig’s are great guns, but the Smith’s are lighter and faster. Good luck with yours.
I bought my P250 9mm in August and LOVE IT! I have put nearly 1000 rounds through it in just the past month. I have only had about 4 miss fires, or as some have described it- the shells got wedged, but that was after 500 rounds without cleaning it ( shot over 2 days). After cleaning it, no issues. What I am curious about is Why can’t I find a Sub Compact Grip for my weapon? If it is interchangeable, why don’t they have it available? Has any females tried the gun with the standard trigger and then the short trigger? I have smaller hands and would like to know from someone who has used both how they feel (better /worse, indifferent).
I have a smaller grip/frame I am not going to use JEM. It is the factory Sig piece made for the P250. If you are interested I will take $38.00 + ship. my email: shooterpcb@yahoo.com
Winchester .45 White Box ammo is currently having a very large percentage of misfires (20%). Have used this ammo for over 15
years with flawless performance. They may have changed primers
to save money…or their 24/7 production schedule. Whatever, they need to address this issue. I tried to contact them but you have to write a
letter….forget it……I switched to Federal.
Eddie, I think you are experiencing the same light primer strike issue that is a well documented P250 issue in other forums. I had numerous 9mm WWB misfires and my Winchester primed reloads performed in a similar fashion. I now reload with Federal Primers and carry factory Federal as a personal protection round. I have fired about 4500 rounds with Federal without a single failure. It seems to be a much softer primer. -Rich
I have a new P250. Not shot it much yet. First time shot, had shell casings eject onto my head, more than once. Returned it to Sig. They tested it with the Magtech 9mm listed in comments above, reporting no problems.
Have not shot it since it returned. Has anyone else had this problem? Is it something I’m doing wrong? Don’t have this problem with my XD40. Thanks for any ideas you might have
Hey guys,
I’m a little surprised to hear all of the bad reviews of the P250. I’ve heard bad reports before, but most (2/3 at least) have been positive. I haven’t shot that much myself so I’m definitely no expert, but if anyone visits the Sig P250 Owners Forum (www.p250sig.com), they will find more info both positive and negative about the P250. Just an FYI in case anyone wants more info.
Well the latest chapter in my P250 saga. I had it at my gun store on consignment. I took it there in September and picked it up yesterday. No bites. I guess people have been reading this blog.
I plan on shooting it to see if it still shoots everything. I’ll let you know.
I have heard that Sig is redesigning the gun to a striker fired piece, Glockesque. I heard they are concerned about Smith and Glock patents. The article went on to say that if the new prototype works that the current P250 will be dropped. I guess that means we’ll be stuck with a white elephant like the Colt double Eagle, if anyone remember that one.
I just finished my shoot. The P250 in 40 was fawless. Everytime I think I want to sell it, it shoot it and reconsider.
Hi All,
First time on the forum here. I’m not a gun owner but looking at getting something for home self defense. I’ve done a decent amount of reading, and I came to the conclusion that a DAO might be best for home defense for a novice such as myself (let alone my wife in the case she had to use it). I kind of wanted to get something American made. Not sure why to be honest, as most seem to think the quality of the European guns is better and I have no problems buying foreign products of other types like cars and such. I guess it just feels right to buy an American gun. Anyway, the P250 is actually made in the U.S., right?
So after reading about different calibers I tentatively decided on a .40 round. So the combination of DAO, .40, and made in the U.S. brought me to the P250. I did a google search to learn about pricing expectations, and found this forum. I’m really having mixed feelings after reading the reviews. Some make it sound like a great gun, as long as you clean it, with the possible exception of early production models. Others give it a bad rap. I’m sure both groups are honest in their experiences. I’m leaning towards going with it, with the assumption that most of the problems were due to either early model production woes or improper maintenance/cleaning or whatever. For those here who would urge me not to, I ask, do you have a better recommendation for a novice looking for home protection in a quality .40 DAO without breaking the bank?
Thanks
Well eris, welcome to the world of firearms. I presently own seven Sigs. One is a P250. I was one that had trouble at first. The same jamming issues that the rest of the “bad reviews” game from. Then the problem just vanished. Now it shoots flawlessly. The long double action of the P250 make it a bit better for the novice. In that the nervous finger in a ‘hot blood’ situation might prevent acidental discharge. I use mine for home defence. I have a light affixed to mine. You never know if a power failure is connected to a break in.
The Sigs have the best ‘feel’ of any of the polymer guns. Glock are the most prolific, as they were the cheapest and first on the seen. I owned two and they areboth gone. Not that they weren’t bad guns, as their function was flawless. They were ergonomically unfriendly to me. My current carry gun is a M&P conpact in 40. The ergos are better, but not as good as the Sig. The trigger pull is more condusive to competition or a gun guy. To a novice I think the P250 is the way to go as I mentioned before the longer trigger is a safety in itself.
The S&W is American too. The foreign guns and cars maybe manufactured in the US, but, I send my kids to schools to be engineers and professional people. If I buy a foreign car I might as well send my kids overseas to get a job. Buying American keeps all the jobs in the US. If you don’t care about that, then you must be a democrate. How is that working for you lately?
Thanks Jim, that’s exactly what I was hoping to hear about my prospective purchase. Good idea about the light as well, I hadn’t really thought about how that could help.
I’m not sure exactly what you mean in the last paragraph, though. I sometimes buy foreign products to reward a higher level of quality. However, if the quality is close or better in an American product, which I think in this case it seems that it is, I take pride in helping to fuel what little actual economic production we have left in this country. Not a democrat, no (Libertarian), but I am an engineer as well.
Anyone have any advice on what a good price would be for a full size or compact (not sub-compact) P250 .40S&W? I’ll probably start going to area gun shops or shows soon to find one and I’m not sure exactly what to expect for a price. I want one brand new, and I favor the two-tone, but that’s not too important for me. Thanks much! Also any particular advice on ammunition in .40 S&W for a decent price but high quality? I probably won’t be running off hundreds and hundreds of rounds or anything anytime soon so price isn’t paramount. Just looking for something quality that I can get used to the gun with and learn/practice how to shoot properly with. Oh yeah and what is paramount in ammunition is finding something that will penetrate well without excessive risk of overpenetration, as I live in an apartment building and if I ever had to use it here, or anywhere for that matter, I would want a bullet to penetrate a perpetrator and stay there, not fly through and hit someone else. I don’t know much about different loads and hollow points and all that. Thanks again.
Load Hollow Point bullets. As for me I have given up on my SigP250. Consigned it to the gunstore for months, no takers. As for me I carry a Steyr its Austrian made and has one of the better Ergo’s and has a fully supported chamber so even when rounds do explode inside the gun, the Extractor never flies off. My Sig on the other hand has had the extractor fly away twice already.
My cary gun is a M&P Compact in 40. I load it with a good quality HP bullet from a known manufacturer. Currently I’m loaded with Winchester Ranger. But I have used Federal hydro-shok’s and Remington Golden Saber. If you don’t load your own then use the cheapest you can find. Winchester white box, UMC(Remington’s white box), CCI blazer, Wolf. What ever is the cheapest. Handloads have alway lead to trouble if you havet oexplain yourself in court. Or at least that is what I’ve read. I have no experience in that arena. Nor do I care to. Practice Is important too. You don’t want a car to keep in the garage and only drive it once year. How good a driver would you be. Expecially if you are in need to use it in a hurry to safe life an limb. Shooting is fun and you might like the competitive nature in the sport.
As for the Democrat thing. Forgive me it was a joke I use with some of my shooting buds. It was out-of-place here.
American quality is at the highest levels in any industry. JD Power rate cars. But if you look past their placement most are so close as to be effectively a tie. Like saying you have 1000 and I have 999. To close to call.
Anyway, enjoy the new gun, whatever it is. My Sig P250 is now as reliable as any of my other Sig’s. My M&P’s are as reliable as my Glocks. Guns of modern design all borrow form one another. Ergonomics and emotion are important in you choice. Afterall, you will be using it in an emotional hightened state. You shoul fell comfortable with your purchase. Good luck my friend and welcome the the shooting world.
Eric:
For what it’s worth, buying a SIG P 250 is like buying an Edsel. It is on it’s way out from what I understand. Maybe one day it will be a nice “collector’s item”, but hardly a weapon on which you can rely for personal defense or LE work. I own a number of SIG handguns and rifles alike and they are all fantastic weapons; each with a different application. That said, I could not shed myself of the P250 fast enough, as it was completely unreliable and unpredictable…..which made it UNACCEPTABLE as a reliable weapon. Read the blogs here…..they are but a mere snippet of the problems encountered by purchasers and users of this weapon’s platform (all calibers, perhaps 9mm being the worst). The fact that SIG would even consider its discontinuation speaks volumes. All of the nonsense on this blog about factory ammo that will work or not work is a huge statement as to the inherent unreliability of this sidearm. SIG is a great company….just had a dud on this design. Buy one of their German or Swiss made models and you will not be disappointed.
As to all of this “American vs. Import” garbage, let’s set a few things straight: It’s hard to dispute that both American and overseas manufacturers have had some huge successes as well as undeniable flops when it comes to guns. As a general rule, the German manufacturers tend to “rule the roost”. Look at such brands as Sauer, H&K, Mauser and Walther and you will generally see nothing but first rate quality from a historical standpoint–fit and finish, materials, workmanship, etc. Worldwide military and LE organizations don’t pick these brands to be stylish or cool; they use them because they WORK. Other Models out of Europe such as Glock, F&N, Springfield and the like speak for themselves as well (Just review the military and LE utilization). Quality American brands such as S&W, Colt, KelTec and Ruger are producing some good products as well and are reliable brands in general.
In a nutshell, do your homework. Read unbiased reviews, talk to professionals (not “know it alls” from the internet) and find the weapon that fits you, your hand and your desired use. Review what sidearms are being utilized by local and Federal LE as well as military….they spend countless hours and $$$ researching what they ultimately buy and issue. Lastly, keep in mind that what’s good for one guy is not necessarily what’s best for you. Again, as to the P250, let the buyer beware.
Also, a note to all:
Any modern firearm should be able to chamber, fire and eject any commercially manufactured, SAAMI certified ammunition without failure or problem for the caliber for which it was manufactured. Anything otherwise is UNSAFE, UNRELIABLE and UNACCEPTABLE. Period, no discussion. These are industry-accepted standards.
Many of the submissions on this blog are untrue, misinformed and UNSAFE.
This is not my opinion but opinions of the firearms industry, LE and military.
Just a “FYI” as you read the submissions on this blog. This stuff drives me nuts, as ignorance when it comes to firearms is what gets people hurt or killed.
It’s interesting that you likened the P250 to an Edsel. Other then it lookin glike a turd it was an engineering wonder for it’s time. Unfortunately, the enonomy of it’s time was a good as ours is now. With the Edsel being advanced in desing and options it was also priced out of a stiffled market. But, I wure wish I had one now.
That being said. No one on he blog is giving “expert” advise except you. We are all just relaying our experiences. Honestly and sincerely. If you don’t like the gun because you’ve have had problems, that’s fine. The rest of us are only relaying what our experiences have been. No need to get your shorts in a bunch. We all contribute and we all make our own determination. I’ve bought three fireams this year. Two S&W M&P’s and a 22 conversion kit for my P229 Elite. They are all flawless. But so is my P250.
I got rid of my P250. Wasn’t all that crazy about it compared to other Sigs. I actually just got an older P-225/P-6 9mm. This is a great Sig!! It is the German police issue Sig! Built from all good METAL in Germany. Great and reliable! Several videos of them on youtube.
I have launched 9500 rounds thru my P250. There have been a few growing pains. For me they have all been addressed thru communication with Sig tech support. Springs were beefed up. Magazines were modified. I am overall very satisfied with the weapon. It has to be fed a softer primed cartridge. once I adopted Federal Primed personal protection rounds, and began loading Federal primers in my training reloads I have not had a single failure.
Wow, the more I read the more I realize I have to learn. Thanks again everyone for the extra info. I’m now definitely considering other guns. One problem for me is that there are very few gun shops within a couple of hours from me. There is only one that has a website to tell me they sell lots of handguns, as well as rent them to let you try. I will try to make it out there soon, although they don’t list anything I’d consider as an option in .40 that I might actually buy (for rental).
Part of me wants an old school metal frame, although it seems the vast majority of quality pistols are now polymer frames. I’ll keep reading. Do you guys buy guns without firing them (like by ordering them just based on what you’ve read)? Sorry to go off topic a little here.
I’ve bought most of my guns based on manufactures rep and knowledge of he particular gun. I Knew what I was getting when I bought all of my guns. Except the P250. I went on MR totally. I was disappointed in that one. I also bought my Glock based on report new articles and reputation. I just could never ‘get a grip’ on the grip. Ergonomics weren’t there for me. The P250 ergo’s were great form the git-go, but the functionality wasn’t. No one should have to shoot 400+ rounds through a gun to brake it in before it shoots. Especially when none of my other Sigs acted as such. Not even the two Kahr’s that I own required brake in and I’ve hear plenty to the contrary. Metal fron guns are good as are polymer. i do fine the recoil in polymer to be reduced a bit as the mnature of the material tends to absorb a bit.
Just another note on the P250. I talked to a distributed an relayed to him some of the concerns voiced on this blog. I was undert the impression that the P250 was a new (American ) design. He told me that is was a German design trialed in Europe for four years before being brought in this country. Rich mentioned that he made a lot of chenges to his loads before his P250 shot well. My gun just started to run. Now it runs everything I load or buy.
My friend you have plenty to choose from. Good luck.
Jim:
One of the primary purposes of this blog is to make pertinent points relative to the P250. These comments are often used by those researching the weapon for potential purchase. If you’ve bought one of these duds and think it’s great, more power to you. The negatives far outweigh the positives on this particular piece. I’m not sure if anyone making entries has their “shorts in a bunch”, but it’s not me….getting rid of my P250 took care of that.
As for your comment on my “expert” ADVICE (not advise), I never claimed “expert” status. I will tell you that I have over a decade in LE experience, several firearms decorations from the Air Force (one of which is an “Expert” ribbon) and have worked as a handgun instructor. If you think I’ve made any untrue statements, please point them out and I’ll be happy to clarify.
Please forgive my spelling. But, my mind works faster then my fingers.
As for your expert advice, I agree with everything you said. All modern fireamrms should function as you say. I agree. I just could hear a bit of emotion in you writings. You have the resume of an expert. I would just like to hear cold hard facts presented emotionlessly. As an ex reseach engineer I have heard emotions cloud the facts way to often. I found nothing wrong in anything you said. I guess I just didn’t want to hear the heat. Facts are all I look to. I your case, your facts were all striaght. As Chief Iron Bear said to Joesy Wales, “There is steel in words.” “I choose peace.”
This is one of the better threads! Thanks all for the wealth of info! I own a P250c originally in 9mm but have since bought the 40c and 45fs conversion. The 9mm has been flawless with about 500-600 rounds through it. The 45 is another story. I am having an approx. 20% misfire/light strike rate which is obviously completely unacceptable for any use of this handgun. After I eject the round I can see that the pin did strike it. I’m a noob so at first I was ejecting and tossing those rounds but then I notice SOMETIMES I could just keep pulling the trigger until it went bang. Sometimes this will not work and I just have to eject the round and be done with it. I have cleaned the gun a few times but it hasn’t helped. I think I need to take it to an armorer to have the firing pin checked/cleaned. I would like to try it myself but I can’t find any docs about how to disassemble to that extent. I’m also going to call Sig tomorrow.
It would really be disappointing if Sig is going to discontinue this firearm. I really would not understand that. The gun shops that I go to all claim it is in great demand and that Sig completely under estimated that hence the inability to find the conversion kits and other models of it. So why get rid of something people want?
I would call Sig and discuss the problem with them. They are responsible for the design and the conversions. If the 9mm gave flawless operation I would consider retracing the steps in the conversions. But, Sig would be where I’d go first. This blog has a lot of information. It’s interesting that your gun dealer has had great sales on the P250. My GD has had the opposite. I had my P250 there on consignment for two months with not even a nibble. My 250 gave me fits forthe first 400 rounds. Now it shoots everything I feed it.
I’ve read through all this and I only saw one reply regarding the Compact Digital Camo and Tactical All Terrain Digital. It worked flawlessly. I found a deal for $450 for the All Terrain(3 mags, case, threaded barrell, ACU patterned grip) and want to pick it up but am leary. This would be my third hand gun purchase, second 9mm. I’m hoping that this one has none of the problems everyone is having. If it does I’ll report back and will most likely return the pistol for a refund.
Kris:
Please know that in most states (if not all) firearms cannot be returned/refunded. I believe this is a BATF regulation, which would apply to all FFL dealers. Guns can be bought back by the dealer, but generally at a “used” price as they have to be inventoried on the BATF books as “used”. If a dealer offers you a different deal, I’d sure get it in writing.
Caveat emptor.
Good info Tim thanks! I went to get it and it was clearanced for $529. It was just the pistol and one magazine. I found a new in box for $599. I thought for that price I would be gettng the full kit, mags, holster but apparently not. I got to feel the DAO trigger today at Cabelas.
Not bad and smooth as they say. A buddy of mine pcked one up and offered up a chance to fire a few round through it. I think I
might take this offer.
Found a good used German made Sig P228 9mm over holiday for $350. I got it.. Not quite as good of ergonomics as the P250 but a great comfortable shooter so far! I put 150rds thru it over the weekend. Works great. I see now that the price of the P250 has come down everywhere I look around here. I see them all over for under $500 now.
I’ve got three P229’s. The 29 has a stainless steel slide and the 28’s is carbon steel. I put Hogue finger groove grips on them all. What great guns. Out of the box perfect. At least two were. I have an Elite stainless one that went back to Sig twice. Now all three shoot. With the Hogue grips in place, I feel, the ergonomics are better then the P250. I like the P250 better then the other plastic guns, but the aforementioned guns are superior.
As for the P250 being everywhere; I had mine at a local gun store for two months with no luck. When I asked the guys there if I could trade it in they didn’t want it. It still shoots great, but it’s in the safe until it becomes a collectors item.
Jim- Did they say why they wouldn’t buy it from you?
I did purchase a P250 yesterday. I picked mine up from Academy for $529. Oddly though I thought the threaded barrel only came on the ACU all terrain. This one I bought is the Marine Digital and has the threaded barrel. It doesn’t have a cover for the threads. I’ll have to hit up Sig I guess to get that.
I’m going to take it out today if the weather permits. I’ll report back afterwards.
Kris,
They didn’t want it because they already had enough new ones on land. They didn’t say they weren’t selling, just that they had enough. I sold a PPK/S in stainless there it two weeks. I purchased it in ‘89 for $300+ and sold it in ‘09 for $400. If you want to know why I sold it, the reason was that I used it as a carry gun and now I had alternatives. I still have a blued PPK/S made in Germany. It’s in the safe with my P250.
Good luck with yours. I’m leaving to visit my dad now with my M&P Compact on my hip.
Neil:
The P228 is a gem of a weapon. There was a recent overrun for a German military/police contract, and the excess was purchased and imported by SIGARMS in NH. You will note “Made in Germany” proudly stamped on the right side of the slide. If you compared this side by side to a 250, you would not have to compare very long. Fit and finish are like night and day between the two. Reliability more so. If you bought this in lieu of a P250, then congratulations. In my humble opinion you made the right choice (also as evidenced by the 228’s extensive use by the German military and police–and they could carry any of the best made sidearms in the world–not just SIG).
Hang onto that 228. As of now, it is no longer exported from Germany for sale to civilians.
Well I took my new P250 out. What a dream. Fires flawlessly. I had my doubts as a new Sig owner but what really had me sold was (1) my buddy who recently purchased one(same one who offered up some trigger time) and (2) my step father was looking to purchase a P250 as well!
I did end up getting the P250 Compact Digital Camo. I posted up a video on youtube(sig sauer P250 Compact Digital Camo).
Thanks to everyone for their reviews and insight! My wife can’t wait to try it out also.
Kris
I have been looking at the p250 for sometime now, and Academy put a 9mm on sale this week for $499, so I jumped on it. I was interested in it initially because of its modular style, but many guns come this way. It was very comfortable in my hand, and I tried it out as a concealed weapon at Bass Pro and was very pleased. I have always carried a Sig 232 (.380), so I was concerned this one might be too big. It is larger, but I can still comfortably conceal it. I took it out to the range today and shot 100 rounds of Federal (cheap stuff from Wal-Mart), and I did not have a single issue. I plan to convert it to a .40, but I wanted a 9mm to reduce the struggle to find ammo and have a weapon I could shoot at minimal cost. The trigger is smooth and light. I am very pleased with this purchase.
My Sig P250 compact , is a year old now and i have shot about 500 rounds from the break in period and have never experienced any issues . its my carry gun and i find the trigger pull as smooth for double taps. it obviously instills confidence for me as well as from the corbon carry loads i use.
Mike : I second your notion. I’ve had my Sig 250 going on two years this april and haven’t had any problems what so ever with it. I’ve put around 650 rounds or so through it.. not one misfire or jam. I keep it clean and oiled since i work on the sea, only rust spots appear on my sight and trigger but its a easy clean. One issue is the magazine though, with a full mag i get a shaking sound as if one of the bullets are not fitted well. If mag has only ten rounds its completly normal. Alot of people complain of its performance but its work flawless less for me. Payed around 700 at the time and its been worth it.
Gotta love this blog.
It’s interesting to see all the continued talk about “break in period” for this gun. I’ve never seen this term in any reputable firearms literature or a part of any military, law enforcement or NRA training protocol. In summary folks, there’s no such thing. Modern reputable firearms should be considered precision instruments, meaning that they function correctly the first time and consistently well using any caliber-appropriate factory ammo. Anything less and you’ve got a gun with a problem that is potentially dangerous and puts the shooter and everyone around him/her at risk.
Some people have obviously had luck with the P250, others (perhaps early owners) had a miserable experience. Continued good luck to those who own or will own a P250.
To follow up on my post from December about the 45 conversion light primer strikes. I sent it back to Sig. They asked for the whole pistol with the conversion kit on it.
What great service! Before I was even off the phone the CS guy had emailed me a UPS label. Inside 10 days I had the gun back (and this was during the holidays). I shot 50 .45 rounds through it last night with absolutely no problem. Sig replaced the firing pin. Not sure if it was broken to begin with or something happened. I may have dry fired a few times but my understanding is dry firing is ok in center fire pistols. Of course if you search on the web you’ll find great divergence of opinion, some saying to never do it as it will horrifically destroy the gun and other people saying that is BS and you can dry fire a center fire weapon all you want (with a few exceptions).
The bottom line is it is now 100% functional and Sig took great care of me. I am most pleased with my purchase and the customer service I get with it.
Onward now to try my .40 conversion kit on it. I can’t wait till the .357 sig conversion comes out, if it ever does.
Lee, The 357 sig conversion is out. You may need to order it direct from Sig Sauer but they have it out for the full size and compact. I Recently bought the P250 2SUM but have not had a chance to get out to the range. It seems like the new batch of p250 have had their FTF problems fixed (I’m hoping that’s the case anyway) I Have heard some talk about the Trigger bar spring breaking though, this worries me a bit but it’s not a hard fix. I’m heading out to the range on wednesday, going to put some winchester fmj’s through the gun (we’ll see about the hard primer) If anyone’s wondering the 2SUM only coms is 9mm as of right now, I’m hoping to see a 40 S&W and a .45ACP but that may be have to high of hopes. I do like the 17 round mag of the full-size, it also fits into the sub-compact frame, just a little extended. I may try it out just to see if it functions well or not but it seems to fit just as tight as the 12 round sub-compact mag (if this is the case you should be able to use a full size mag in the compact as well) I’ll try to post after my trip to the range.
That 2Sum sounds very interesting! Hope your experience is a good one. Unfortunately I went to Sig site and 357 kit is “Temporarily Out Of Stock” like it has been for the last year. I don’t see any being sold on gunbroker.com nor gunsamerica.com. I think I’ve heard of people who managed to get one. I honestly do not get Sig on this one. Why advertise for a product you don’t make. I understand if you start advertising it a couple month before it is out but its been over a year now and probably 2-3 years since the P25 line was announced.
Ah yes, i noticed the out of stock thing after posting here. Maybe try calling sig and seeing what they can do for you? I’m going to be looking at a full size 45 myself. if i have to much trouble finding one then I’ll probable end up buying a 1911.
Well good news from the range. I shot 220 ronds betewwn h two frames and not one FTF or FTE, all with winchested fmj’s. the fullsize m was extreemly accurate, putting out a 3in grouping at 15 yards with no prior experiance shooting a dao. the subcompact 9mm, not so much, not bad and about what i expected. more of a 5in grouping at 15 yards, againhaving never shot this gun or any othe dao before. I’m sure with time the grouping will get smaller. I’ll be oving o 25 yrds next time. The full size has basicly no recoil. with a tight grip the gun only lifts about an inch. The subcompact kicks alost as much as some 45’s.
A guy at the range was asking about the Full size 9mm. His daughter has a compact so he wanted to compare. He seemed to like it (of course i let him shoot it, we all know how it is) The full size is my favoriet of the two but i would still carry the subcompact as a ccw, only downside is it has no rail and finding holsters for it is a bit harder.
On a side note, i tried putting the fulsize mag into the subcompact and seeing if it would operate. and as i thought it did. Flawlessly i might add. So I assue it would also work for the compact.
The full size mag is 17 rounds. There have been some reports of them being 20 rounds, and some factory mags when sold even say 20 rounds on the package but this is a typo. all full size mags are 17 rounds. All 17 rounds fit the ag, no porblems like the compact was having.
I love this gun, and anyone thinking about getting the 2sum, i would recommend it.
I got my P250 2SUM for $810 final price, after transfer and tax and all that. Got it from a local shop in Hudson FLorida called Ol’ Time Gun Shop
The 2SUM comes with a Mediam Fullsize grip modual and a Small subcompact Grip modual.
It seems the problems the P250 had are pretty well worked out now.
My P250 9mm has been flawless. I had a couple stovepipes initially but it was my first gun and was sure I was limp-wristing it. Once I went to a firmer grip I put hundreds of rounds through with no failures at all.
If you are looking for exchange kits, I got the P250 45 FS exchange kit (with grips) and the .40 compact exchange kit off gunbroker and gunsamerica. There is a vendor called “JayGuns” that seems to always be selling them. The only gotcha is sometimes they don’t say what size it is (FA, compact, or sub). But I haven’t seen them selling the .357 either.
That is good to know that you can use the larger FS mags. I wonder if we’ll see after market large mags become available like how it is with the Glock (like I think there are 30 round clips for them right?).
For me, there seems to be little difference in recoil between the 45 FS and 9mm compact.
My only issue currently is the 45 seems like it shoots low and to the right a couple inches (at 7 yards). It could be that I don’t know what I’m doing yet but I feel like I know how to align the sites before the shot and it consistently groups low/right. Will find someone at the range with more experience and see if they have the same problem with it. I suppose I should try a “rest” to confirm this.
I am thinking seriously about the 2sum as I want both the FS and subcompact for the 9mm.
I voted for and do hope they do a .22LR conversion for this!
A 22lr conversion would be sweet. I love shooting the 9mm but even shooting that gets expensive when you put hundreads of rounds through each time you go to the range.
Thanks for the info on th .45 conversion. I’ll have to look it up. i checkd gunbroker and couldn’t find anything bu i havent checked the other one yet.
you may need to adjust the sites on the 45, don’t know for sure as well, i havent shot yours lol. you’re supposed to be able to adjust the front site but you might have to buy a new rear (sig clames you can buy new ones that are shorter or taller)
I would also like to see extended mags for the 250, so much so that I’m looking for a gunsmith to build one. i don’t mind handing over a spare mag for months, so long as they can figure it out.
The extended glock mag is a 33 round. Now i don’t expect that out of any sig (the 226 as a factory option for a 20 round <3 ) but one can dream. Anyway, I'm hoping to see some after market stuff soon.
If you're seriously considering the 2SUM, from my personal experiance, do it. I love the full size 9, and the subcompact is just as nice, just not quiteas accurate. I want a threaded berral version but i'm not huge on the digi camo look, and i'd rather have itin full size. just more my taste i guess.
When converting between calibers of the same size model, can you just switch out barrels and magazines, or do you have to also switch out the slides? I have a 40 and cannot find 40 anywhere on the slide, though it is clearly marked on the barrel and magazine. It would seem that for a given size (full, compact, subcompact) it is likely that slide is the same. I also don’t know if the spring or rod is the same for a given size. Seems that this would all be listed on a parts list, but I have been unsucessful finding one.
If to change calibers all you need is a different barrel and slide it would certainly save a lot of money vs the complete exchange kit, and the ability to change calibers would give you additional options in case you find shortages of a particular size of ammo.
I believe you can do this to change between the .40 and .357, in fact I think there are other sig handguns that allow you to do this, you just get a different barrel and not sure if you even need a different mag. For the P250, there are really 3 different slides for a given size(sc, c, fs): 9mm, .40/.357, and .45. So you do have to buy the xchange kit for example to go from 9mm to .40 or vice-versa. If you want to go from anything to .45 or vice-versa, then you need both an exchange kit and a new frame as the 45 frame is thicker than the others. Fortunately the frame is cheap, like $40-50.
Unfortunately I don’t think ANY P250 .357 components have been created by Sig. so converting to .357 with any method is moot.
Thanks for the feedback. Do you know if there is someplace on the slide where it is marked as to which caliber it works with?
O.K. in all fairness, my gun had a bad extractor…as did a lot of people who bought the Sig P250 early on. Sig took care of it for free and quickly. I wish they admit to their mistakes. As an owner, I would prefer to read about known issues on a company’s web site rather than on forums.
With that said, it is now 100% reliable. I don’t know why so many people trash the concept before firing it. I was pissed when it didn’t work but now I love it again.
When I was shopping for an HDTV I was looking at Sony and Samsung. The Sony picture looked a little better but it was $1,000.00 more or so. The guy told me, “Either will look great in your living room….” That made sense. Most modern handguns work great if they don’t have any fatal flaws like an extractor that is too soft. While the trigger is DAO it is exactly the same every time…that, and the fact I felt having a DAO would be safer are the strengths of the gun. I am more concerned about an accidental discharge than I am of losing a fraction of a second between one shot and another.
You learn the gun and the trigger and you get better at it. You can dry fire it at home and keep proficient with the trigger pull. The gun feels great, has night sights out of the box and a future of upgrades/easy modifications you can do without the aid of a gunsmith (.22 being my hope as well).
John, the only place on my gun that it’s marked, both the full size and subcompact, is on the barrel it’s self (where you can see it on the right side of the slide in the extractor port) mine says 9mm para (as it’s the 9mm, go figure) other then that i don’t think it’s marked anywhere else. I dont know if you could just buy the barrel and mag for 40 s&w and drop it into the slide that houses the 9mm (I have no idea the dimention differences between the to barrels) but i would say just buy the xchange kit. Anyway like i said it should be marked on the barrel (US version anyway)
It seems like that would not work as the recoil spring and other components in the slide might be engineered for a specific caliber/recoil force. .40 and 9mm might be different enough. But I’m not anywhere close to knowledgeable on this topic. So I second Aaron’s, just buy the xchange kit and you’ll be fine.
HELP!!!!!!!
Anyone come across a Level II holster for the P250 .40 cal with a tac light?
I think I’ve looked everywhere with no success.
I think I am having the same problem as Tim. I bought a new P250 full size 9mm on Feb. 19, 2010. I put about 200 rounds through it no problem. Then, today I took it out and the trigger doesn’t engage the hammer. Whenever I pull the trigger, it just clicks and the hammer doesn’t come back. Also, since I bought it the takedown pin has always been extremely difficult to get out, but I never knew this was abnormal. I couldn’t find out what was causing the problem, so I took it to my local gun shop. They showed me another P250 and the takedown pin is not nearly as hard to get out. I am pretty sure this has something to do with the problem. I think it is specifically my gun, hopefully not a design flaw in all P250s. Currently the gun is at my gun shop, they said they know someone at SIG who they are going to send it to. If anyone has any advice that would be greatly appreciated. Its a great gun besides this problem.
Hey guys,
I’ve seen various posts about the Sig P250 and wanted to give my experience for future people considering the gun.
I have the compact .45 acp version and I have put about 500 rounds through the gun and shot it on 4 different occasions. I have used all new ammo and 6 difference kinds of ammo to make sure it was not the gun. After the first 50 rounds it is lucky to make it through the first magazine without jamming. I called Sig about the problem and he told me the problem was the brazer ammo I was using. He gave me a long list of ammo I shouldnt use in the gun. One ammo he told me that wouldnt jam would be the magtechs. I then told him I was also using magtech and it actually jammed more. He told me use a box of remmingtons and see what happens. I asked him if would sig take the gun back and look at it if it was still jamming. He told me if I had a jam every other magazine that it was acceptable with due to ammo failure and things. If it was jamming more than that I can send it back.
It was hard not to laugh when he said that. I mean that doesnt sound like a reliable weapon at all. I am very disappointed with my experience with Sig. I’ve heard the non US built sigs are very solid guns, but the US need some improvement. I just wanted to post my experience for those of you who are considering getting the gun.
I just recieved my P250. My son and i went to the range to fire off some rounds, he just got a new Glock22. I wanted to try some home defense rounds and white box Winchester ammo. The gun did it’s job no hickups. Tha only problem is the base of the P+loads bulged out, not so the stock ammo. What do you all think? Ammo or chamber problem. I broke down the gun and used a loaded round of each, they don’t look like their are seating down into the barrel far enough. i have an older P6 Sig and the rounds look seated about the same. Any thoughts?
Richard – At least your gun seems to work fine! As for the +P ammo, I would guess that the P250 is rated for +P but I’m not sure. Otherwise, with all the other problems, I would be willing to guess that it is a chamber problem, unless they are handloads.
Thanks for the response, I would think the same but for the fact that my older P6 had the same clearance form the base of the round to the face of the barrel. Can I post a pic. to show the gun crowd what it looks like?
Thanks Richard