Comments on: History of the Chinese M14 Clones http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2007/10/06/history-of-the-chinese-m14-clones/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:19:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Lee Emerson http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2007/10/06/history-of-the-chinese-m14-clones/comment-page-1/#comment-79622 Lee Emerson Mon, 05 Dec 2011 14:00:59 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2007/10/06/history-of-the-chinese-m14-clones/#comment-79622 Larry, May 1990 is the year and month of the receiver manufacture. Larry, May 1990 is the year and month of the receiver manufacture.

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]]> By: larry palmer http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2007/10/06/history-of-the-chinese-m14-clones/comment-page-1/#comment-79621 larry palmer Mon, 05 Dec 2011 13:43:04 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2007/10/06/history-of-the-chinese-m14-clones/#comment-79621 my polyteck under wood is mark 5151, what date would be?serial # 033xx side mark. thank you larry palmer my polyteck under wood is mark 5151, what date would be?serial # 033xx side mark. thank you larry palmer

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]]> By: Lee Emerson http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2007/10/06/history-of-the-chinese-m14-clones/comment-page-1/#comment-55964 Lee Emerson Mon, 21 Feb 2011 02:06:05 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2007/10/06/history-of-the-chinese-m14-clones/#comment-55964 Please note that my post referenced above from ar15.com in March 2008 is not totally accurate. Based on subsequent research, only the year and the month can be derived from the numbers stamped under the stock line (aka "lotto" numbers) on Chinese M14 receivers. After the first 2000 Poly Technologies receivers were made, the "lotto" number format changes. It's not a simple cipher, so to speak. Please note that my post referenced above from ar15.com in March 2008 is not totally accurate. Based on subsequent research, only the year and the month can be derived from the numbers stamped under the stock line (aka “lotto” numbers) on Chinese M14 receivers. After the first 2000 Poly Technologies receivers were made, the “lotto” number format changes. It’s not a simple cipher, so to speak.

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]]> By: nature223 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2007/10/06/history-of-the-chinese-m14-clones/comment-page-1/#comment-45763 nature223 Fri, 29 Oct 2010 02:51:55 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2007/10/06/history-of-the-chinese-m14-clones/#comment-45763 My POLYTECH M-14S allows SPRINGFIELD ARMORY Mounts to screw into the receiver, so the "scope mount hole" thread appears SAE...sorta. it's a tad tight, just lube the bolt/screw well and thread it in a few times, clean out the hole and apply your thread locker..DONE! My POLYTECH M-14S allows SPRINGFIELD ARMORY Mounts to screw into the receiver, so the “scope mount hole” thread appears SAE…sorta.
it’s a tad tight, just lube the bolt/screw well and thread it in a few times, clean out the hole and apply your thread locker..DONE!

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]]> By: Jon P http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2007/10/06/history-of-the-chinese-m14-clones/comment-page-1/#comment-4691 Jon P Fri, 09 Jan 2009 03:57:03 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2007/10/06/history-of-the-chinese-m14-clones/#comment-4691 Folks, I am really having a problem finding the specs on thread size for the scope mount on the receiver. Does anyone have any ideas? Folks, I am really having a problem finding the specs on thread size for the scope mount on the receiver. Does anyone have any ideas?

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]]> By: Glenda G. Fragante http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2007/10/06/history-of-the-chinese-m14-clones/comment-page-1/#comment-2736 Glenda G. Fragante Sun, 31 Aug 2008 09:52:24 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2007/10/06/history-of-the-chinese-m14-clones/#comment-2736 Hello, i want to know how durable and reliable is the M-14 Clone from China. Are they as durable and reliable as the M-14 made from America. How much does it costs? Hello, i want to know how durable and reliable is the M-14 Clone from China. Are they as durable and reliable as the M-14 made from America. How much does it costs?

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]]> By: H2O MAN http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2007/10/06/history-of-the-chinese-m14-clones/comment-page-1/#comment-1702 H2O MAN Sat, 15 Mar 2008 20:59:35 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2007/10/06/history-of-the-chinese-m14-clones/#comment-1702 Chinese M14 Mysteries Explained During my visit to Smith Enterprise, Inc. on 03/02/08, I asked Ron Smith if he knew the meaning behind the numbers found below the stock line on the 1980s and 1990s production Chinese M14 receivers. For clarity, the 1965 (nineteen sixty-five) vintage Chinese M14 receivers do not have any numbers on the receivers below the stock line. There was a customer's Poly Technologies M14S receiver in the shop so he showed me how to decipher the secret code. I'll not reveal that serial number out of respect. After he explained it, I'm sure he saw a light bulb turn on over my head. I said, "It figures it would be that simple." Can I get a, "Duh!" Here's the explanation, M14 fans. It's a date code. It's not perfectly straightforward as there are often additional numbers but it's the answer. Here are some examples from reports provided by owners along with the interpretation: Poly Technologies s/n 00689 (88 03 14) = March 14, 1988 Poly Technologies s/n 00827 (88 06 3) = June 03, 1988 Poly Technologies s/n 01965 (88 3 7) = March 07, 1988 Poly Technologies s/n 02116 (0 8 4 02 6) = August 04, 1990 Poly Technologies s/n 08162 (1 08 19 3) = August 19, 1991 Poly Technologies s/n 14584 (3 4 19 37 7) = April 19, 1993 Poly Technologies s/n 17096 (3 5 11 8 7) = May 11, 1993 Poly Technologies s/n 21671 (3 7 22 18 10) = July 22, 1993 Norinco s/n C01050 (3 3 6 34 67) = March 06, 1993 Norinco s/n C08312 (3 10 13 27 17) = October 13, 1993 Norinco s/n 000450 (3 11 30 48 20) = November 30, 1993 Norinco s/n 93046 (93 4 6) = April 06, 1993 Norinco s/n 185928 (1 8 5 9 2 8) = August 05, 1991 Some examples for our Canadian brothers: Norinco s/n 001265 (3 12 2 37 20) = December 02, 1993 Norinco s/n 005778 (4 2 14 30 23) = February 14, 1994 (Will you be my Valentine? ) Norinco s/n 0012687 (4 4 8 30 25) = April 08, 1994 One thing to keep in mind is that the serial numbers were not always stamped in chronological order. In other words, a receiver with an older date code may have a lower serial number above the stock line. Likewise, the serial numbers were not imported in perfect sequential order. This is especially true for post-US ban receivers and rifles imported into Canada. Posted by Different on AR15.com:: 3/15/2008 4:38:07 PM EDT http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=6&t=239548 Chinese M14 Mysteries Explained

During my visit to Smith Enterprise, Inc. on 03/02/08, I asked Ron Smith if he knew the meaning behind the numbers found below the stock line on the 1980s and 1990s production Chinese M14 receivers. For clarity, the 1965 (nineteen sixty-five) vintage Chinese M14 receivers do not have any numbers on the receivers below the stock line. There was a customer’s Poly Technologies M14S receiver in the shop so he showed me how to decipher the secret code. I’ll not reveal that serial number out of respect. After he explained it, I’m sure he saw a light bulb turn on over my head. I said, “It figures it would be that simple.” Can I get a, “Duh!”

Here’s the explanation, M14 fans. It’s a date code. It’s not perfectly straightforward as there are often additional numbers but it’s the answer. Here are some examples from reports provided by owners along with the interpretation:

Poly Technologies s/n 00689 (88 03 14) = March 14, 1988
Poly Technologies s/n 00827 (88 06 3) = June 03, 1988
Poly Technologies s/n 01965 (88 3 7) = March 07, 1988
Poly Technologies s/n 02116 (0 8 4 02 6) = August 04, 1990
Poly Technologies s/n 08162 (1 08 19 3) = August 19, 1991
Poly Technologies s/n 14584 (3 4 19 37 7) = April 19, 1993
Poly Technologies s/n 17096 (3 5 11 8 7) = May 11, 1993
Poly Technologies s/n 21671 (3 7 22 18 10) = July 22, 1993

Norinco s/n C01050 (3 3 6 34 67) = March 06, 1993
Norinco s/n C08312 (3 10 13 27 17) = October 13, 1993
Norinco s/n 000450 (3 11 30 48 20) = November 30, 1993
Norinco s/n 93046 (93 4 6) = April 06, 1993
Norinco s/n 185928 (1 8 5 9 2 8) = August 05, 1991

Some examples for our Canadian brothers:

Norinco s/n 001265 (3 12 2 37 20) = December 02, 1993
Norinco s/n 005778 (4 2 14 30 23) = February 14, 1994 (Will you be my Valentine? )
Norinco s/n 0012687 (4 4 8 30 25) = April 08, 1994

One thing to keep in mind is that the serial numbers were not always stamped in chronological order. In other words, a receiver with an older date code may have a lower serial number above the stock line. Likewise, the serial numbers were not imported in perfect sequential order. This is especially true for post-US ban receivers and rifles imported into Canada.

Posted by Different on AR15.com:: 3/15/2008 4:38:07 PM EDT
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=6&t=239548

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2007/10/06/history-of-the-chinese-m14-clones/comment-page-1/#comment-1655 Steve Fri, 07 Mar 2008 04:28:37 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2007/10/06/history-of-the-chinese-m14-clones/#comment-1655 Thanks H2O MAN, I have updated the post and remove the article text and instead linked to the actual book. Thanks H2O MAN, I have updated the post and remove the article text and instead linked to the actual book.

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]]> By: H2O MAN http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2007/10/06/history-of-the-chinese-m14-clones/comment-page-1/#comment-1654 H2O MAN Fri, 07 Mar 2008 04:11:43 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2007/10/06/history-of-the-chinese-m14-clones/#comment-1654 Steve, the text that looks familiar to me can be found in the sold out printings of Different's book ~ M14 Rifle History and Development. Steve, the text that looks familiar to me can be found in the sold out printings of Different’s book ~ M14 Rifle History and Development.

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2007/10/06/history-of-the-chinese-m14-clones/comment-page-1/#comment-1649 Steve Thu, 06 Mar 2008 21:38:39 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2007/10/06/history-of-the-chinese-m14-clones/#comment-1649 H2O MAN, you have some great photos on your site! I think I will blog your site today. Which one of the M14 books on the Different M1A site does the above text comes from? I could not find the text. H2O MAN, you have some great photos on your site! I think I will blog your site today.

Which one of the M14 books on the Different M1A site does the above text comes from? I could not find the text.

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]]> By: H2O MAN http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2007/10/06/history-of-the-chinese-m14-clones/comment-page-1/#comment-1644 H2O MAN Thu, 06 Mar 2008 14:30:43 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2007/10/06/history-of-the-chinese-m14-clones/#comment-1644 I think the original document was written by Lee Emerson, you can find the updated document on Different' M1A site. I currently own 8 Chinese M14s. Three are heel stamped Norinco, two are heel stamped Poly Tech and three are side stamped (IDE) Poly Tech. Ron Smith of Smith Enterprise, Inc. has domesticated four of them for me and they are outstanding! Chinese M14 receivers - They're Grrrrreeeat! I think the original document was written by Lee Emerson, you can find the updated document on Different’ M1A site.
I currently own 8 Chinese M14s. Three are heel stamped Norinco, two are heel stamped Poly Tech and three are side stamped (IDE) Poly Tech.
Ron Smith of Smith Enterprise, Inc. has domesticated four of them for me and they are outstanding!

Chinese M14 receivers – They’re Grrrrreeeat!

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2007/10/06/history-of-the-chinese-m14-clones/comment-page-1/#comment-821 Steve Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:07:53 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2007/10/06/history-of-the-chinese-m14-clones/#comment-821 Hi J.A.Knight, thanks for that info. Hi J.A.Knight, thanks for that info.

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]]> By: J.A.Knight http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2007/10/06/history-of-the-chinese-m14-clones/comment-page-1/#comment-759 J.A.Knight Tue, 04 Dec 2007 06:23:58 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2007/10/06/history-of-the-chinese-m14-clones/#comment-759 I have two 2006 Norinco M304/M14s, After many hours of checking found the recevers to be Exelent! (full dimentional, NDT and brinal testing I work as a aircraft mech); I like to build things, and have NM preped a few M1 garands..so off I went ordered parts and slowly gatered the parts. The end resalts are two M14 type rifles that shoot sub 1min of angle (with scopes) in GI fiber glass stocks, many hours (aprox 40 per rifle) of fun building the rifles; total cost for the two was $2800.00 or less than a pack of smokes a day for a year, in Canada a Springfeld M1a will cost you almost $3000.00 and $4500.00 for a NM level gun, if you can get one. I have two 2006 Norinco M304/M14s, After many hours of checking found the recevers to be Exelent! (full dimentional, NDT and brinal testing I work as a aircraft mech); I like to build things, and have NM preped a few M1 garands..so off I went ordered parts and slowly gatered the parts. The end resalts are two M14 type rifles that shoot sub 1min of angle (with scopes) in GI fiber glass stocks, many hours (aprox 40 per rifle) of fun building the rifles; total cost for the two was $2800.00 or less than a pack of smokes a day for a year, in Canada a Springfeld M1a will cost you almost $3000.00 and $4500.00 for a NM level gun, if you can get one.

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